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Old 05-12-2013, 03:12 PM   #101
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Legally yes you do. Uninsured electric scooters are completely illegal and not allowed on the road. And last time I checked you need to have an insured motor vehicle to operate it on public roads. And you can't get insurance without a drivers lic.
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Legally yes you do. Uninsured electric scooters are completely illegal and not allowed on the road. And last time I checked you need to have an insured motor vehicle to operate it on public roads. And you can't get insurance without a drivers lic.
wrongo. If its 500 watts or under and has pedals to assist the motor (even if the pedals are not really needed) And is limited to 32km/hr. You do not need a license or insurance. It follows the same rules as bicycles, which are allowed on the road, but not highways.
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no, does it matter?
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no, does it matter?
Yes. It does matter. Because you have never been through rider training nor have you ever ridden. You have no experience what it is like to be on two wheels, be it a bicycle, scooter or motorcycle. It is not the same as driving a car. Rider training and education go a long way.

I drive, commute on bicycle and have been riding scooters and motorcycles for well over 8 years. It wasn't until I took rider training at Pacific Riding School which was when they made me realize the dangers of the road and what I can do to prevent myself from being killed. What I thought was "common sense" wasn't really common sense afterall. It wasn't very fair of you to say that "common sense" trumps all. Like Soundy said, you were asking for too much from society.
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I drove all through Vietnam for 2 months on a 50 cc scooter. If you can drive there you can drive anywhere.
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Major kudos to the bystanders who immediately came to his assistance. They knew exactly what to do.
I was gonna say the same thing, that was awesome. Keep in mind VGH is down the street too. Chances are at least 1 of those people works in the health care profession.
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no, does it matter?
As others have pointed out, it does matter. Driving experience will not give you the same insight into how you should ride a motorcycle defensively. For example, I don't care how long you've been driving, but when you're approaching a green light and there's a car waiting to left turn in the oncoming traffic, would you stay closer to the curb(or P3 for riders) naturally because of your driving experience? I have not seen a single car that would do that(unless the oncoming car is over into the lane) but as a motorcyclist, I try to do that as much as possible for the just in case
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wrongo. If its 500 watts or under and has pedals to assist the motor (even if the pedals are not really needed) And is limited to 32km/hr. You do not need a license or insurance. It follows the same rules as bicycles, which are allowed on the road, but not highways.
And whats worse skateboards are banned from public roads in Nanaimo because they don't have brakes.
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As others have pointed out, it does matter. Driving experience will not give you the same insight into how you should ride a motorcycle defensively. For example, I don't care how long you've been driving, but when you're approaching a green light and there's a car waiting to left turn in the oncoming traffic, would you stay closer to the curb(or P3 for riders) naturally because of your driving experience? I have not seen a single car that would do that(unless the oncoming car is over into the lane) but as a motorcyclist, I try to do that as much as possible for the just in case
This right here has saved me countless times from a head on collision, if I didn't take the course I probably would have never thought of it until after an accident. The only thing experience can teach you when riding on 2 wheels is being able to predict certain situations, but there is more finer details to riding that you can learn from taking a course before you start to ride, or wait until you make a mistake to learn them.
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he assumed the bus was gonna stop eh... mistake!

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Never assume, if you do, assume the worst...
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he assumed the bus was gonna stop eh... mistake!

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assume every car doesn't see you and will cut you off. loud pipes ftw
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assume every car doesn't see you and will cut you off. loud pipes ftw
Loud pipes on a scooter? :
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i've heard scooters screaming down the streets with after market pipes!
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You could just remove the exhaust pipe completely, it would still sound like a broken lawnmower.
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I don't know why people say its the scooter guys fault...its his stupidity to not wait for an auto bigger than his to stop but I don't think you can say with certainty from the video who is at fault.

From experience with a lawsuit and ICBC of identical nature:
If the light is red before the auto going straight through is in the intersection, the person driving straight through is at fault.
If the light is yellow, the person turning is at fault.

I can't imagine that law changing for a bus.
I don't know if you can tell from the video that the bus entered the intersection on a red.

If anyone has information to the contrary (ie. documented proof via BC lawsuit cases) please post up.
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I don't think we're trying to argue that the bus is right, but we're trying to say that the scooter guy is stupid to have assumed that the bus is going to stop and he has the right of way. Yes buses run red lights, all the time, but what I'm trying to say here is if the guy on the scooter had proper training riding a scooter/motorcycle, he probably wouldn't have made the turn he did. Sure he may be right in the eyes of ICBC, but if he had been half a second slower, he's dead. Don't think you can say the same with certainty if he had been in a car.
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I don't know why people say its the scooter guys fault...its his stupidity to not wait for an auto bigger than his to stop but I don't think you can say with certainty from the video who is at fault.

From experience with a lawsuit and ICBC of identical nature:
If the light is red before the auto going straight through is in the intersection, the person driving straight through is at fault.
If the light is yellow, the person turning is at fault.

I can't imagine that law changing for a bus.
I don't know if you can tell from the video that the bus entered the intersection on a red.

If anyone has information to the contrary (ie. documented proof via BC lawsuit cases) please post up.
The person turning left can only proceed when it is safe to do so. Unless there is definitive evidence proving that an oncoming car ran a red light, the left turner is at fault. It's as simple as that!
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Funny this post turns into a scooter hating post. the same dude would get hit by that bus no matter what he's in, doesn't matter a scooter or bike or car. its the judgement, not about the vehicle he's in.
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Yeah, but whether he survives IS about what he's rolling.
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Funny this post turns into a scooter hating post. the same dude would get hit by that bus no matter what he's in, doesn't matter a scooter or bike or car. its the judgement, not about the vehicle he's in.
Except if he was riding on a bike, he would've or at least should've been trained NOT to do what he just did. The point here is most scooter riders have no formal training and is oblivious to the risks imposed on riders as opposed to a regular drivers
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Except if he was riding on a bike, he would've or at least should've been trained NOT to do what he just did. The point here is most scooter riders have no formal training and is oblivious to the risks imposed on riders as opposed to a regular drivers
I don't see the outcome would make much difference except if he is riding a bike then he may be fast enough to escape before the bus hit him (same if he is driving a car). What cause this accident is he didn't wait till the bus stop before making the turn. Which he should be well aware of that from his class 5 training, not motorcycle training specific.
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I don't know why people say its the scooter guys fault...its his stupidity to not wait for an auto bigger than his to stop but I don't think you can say with certainty from the video who is at fault.

From experience with a lawsuit and ICBC of identical nature:
If the light is red before the auto going straight through is in the intersection, the person driving straight through is at fault.
If the light is yellow, the person turning is at fault.

I can't imagine that law changing for a bus.
I don't know if you can tell from the video that the bus entered the intersection on a red.

If anyone has information to the contrary (ie. documented proof via BC lawsuit cases) please post up.
Dude, it's a fucking bus, a B-Line one at that. Those things can't stop on a dime, geez.

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I don't see the outcome would make much difference except if he is riding a bike then he may be fast enough to escape before the bus hit him (same if he is driving a car). What cause this accident is he didn't wait till the bus stop before making the turn. Which he should be well aware of that from his class 5 training, not motorcycle training specific.
I have a Class 5. I would not have made that left turn with a bus barreling through the intersection. The guy was stupid, plain and simple.
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Dude, it's a fucking bus, a B-Line one at that. Those things can't stop on a dime, geez.



I have a Class 5. I would not have made that left turn with a bus barreling through the intersection. The guy was stupid, plain and simple.
lmfao, everyone keeps making this thread about what the scooter guy SHOULD have done....Yes, it's obvious, any person with half a brain will tell you that you don't proceed until you know it's safe to do so....

I don't know why that keeps being said; that's not the question here.

The question at hand is this:

If the bus proceeded to enter the intersection after the light had already turned red (which we don't know yet), would the bus driver be deemed 'at fault' by ICBC?

THAT, my friends, is the question....Not "Is the scooter rider stupid?"...Yes, we already know that he is stupid, no need to bring that up again...
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