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Old 12-09-2013, 06:03 PM   #7326
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Bertuzzi got 20 games (13 regular season games and remainder of the playoffs, which ended up being 7 games).

And Bertuzzi's was far worse than what Thornton did even if you don't take into account the end result (which was infinitely worse in Bertuzzi's case).

How is the Thornton incident any different from Emery attacking Holtby? Ference attacking Stempniak? Ference attacking Upshall? Rinaldo attacking Roussel?

Even Bieksa attacked Brian Boyle at the end of the NYR game.

If anything, Thornton attack was the least vicious of those, but had the worst end result, which was knocking his victim unconscious and giving him a mild concussion.

Obviously, these attacks are not actions that should be part of hockey, but if you let the other dozen or so acts go unpunished and then punish the one that results in a guy going to the hospital, is it really a deterrent? I mean, the vast majority of the time, these guys are going to head to the dressing room for repairs afterwards and return no worse for wear.

If the NHL really wants to get rid of this garbage, they need to make it an automatic suspension with fines for the coaches and teams. That's not what's going to happen in the Thornton case, though, aside from the fact that he will get suspended, but only due to politics and media pressure.
Fines on the teams doesn't work, lower the salary cap will, each time your player did something like this your cap for the next season goes down by 10% That will teach the team really quick.
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All those other guys were just as defenseless (except Holtby, who wanted no part of it). Orpik had the opportunity to defend himself. There are 1.5 seconds before Thornton throws a punch. He could've got his hands up. If he had punched him on the way down, I could see your point, but that wasn't the case.
dude falling backwards probably shocked him enough
didnt see the video clearly, but he probably hits his head on the way down
1.5 seconds is nothing given all that .
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dude falling backwards probably shocked him enough
didnt see the video clearly, but he probably hits his head on the way down
1.5 seconds is nothing given all that .
He doesn't hit his head on the way down.

Thornton is holding him by the collar with his head several inches off the ice, then he gives a pair of short jabs. Head hits the ice with the first punch.
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you ever play hockey and had your feet taking out from under you?

doesnt even have to be hockey, any instance where you fall and dont expect it

your first instinct is to try and regain your balance. so those 1.5 seconds of buffer you are referring to is irrelevant
first instinct is not to proect your head from jabs
and Thornton came from behind. so again, adds to the element of surprise.
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you ever play hockey and had your feet taking out from under you?

doesnt even have to be hockey, any instance where you fall and dont expect it

your first instinct is to try and regain your balance. so those 1.5 seconds of buffer you are referring to is irrelevant
first instinct is not to proect your head from jabs
and Thornton came from behind. so again, adds to the element of surprise.
It was 1.5 seconds after he was already on the ground ...
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Fines on the teams doesn't work, lower the salary cap will, each time your player did something like this your cap for the next season goes down by 10% That will teach the team really quick.
Fines are the dumbest thing in pro sports. These athletes make so much money.

I still remember the incident with Weber slamming Zetterberg's head into the boards.

HOLY SHIT!!. a WHOPPING $2500 fine for the guy that makes $7,500,000.
I bet he lost a lot of sleep over that.
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If anything, Thornton attack was the least vicious of those, but had the worst end result, which was knocking his victim unconscious and giving him a mild concussion.

Obviously, these attacks are not actions that should be part of hockey, but if you let the other dozen or so acts go unpunished and then punish the one that results in a guy going to the hospital, is it really a deterrent?
Well the precedent has been set with past suspensions, Shanahan clear out saying that injury resulting in missed games is a factor in considering length of suspension. THAT is one of the problems right there, players don't know if/what the suspension will be until after the act/injury happens, which does absolutely nothing as a deterrent.

In this particular case, Orpik has a past concussion history which made him that much more vulnerable to getting KO'd and injured. That isn't Thornton's fault, he could have done the same thing to somebody with no injury history and the result would have likely been no knockout/injury. It doesn't make Thornton's slew foot and sucker punch any cleaner though--the suspension should be exactly the same regardless of either situation above, that's the flaw in suspending based on injury sustained.
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