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Old 08-08-2013, 12:24 AM   #51
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This is exactly it, they got way too greedy and fcked themselves over. People just have a hate on for these guys.

I remember when you could have do a Hardware Upgrade if you have 6 months or less remaining on your contract. Now you have to wait until 1 month (for Fido anyways).

Also, i tried to switch to the $39 plan, which has more data and everything than my current plan and they wouldnt switch me. I tell them, so some new customer is getting more data, more minutes, and is paying cheaper than me, and I've been with you guys for years? and you wont let me pay the same amount as that new customer? Also they said the minimum cancellation fee is $200 because I have data, even if I were to cancel my contract 31 days remaining until contract expiry. WTF?

shiet like that just pisses me off. I don't want to spend an hour with retentions going over contracts and haggling. If I wasn't around SFU area once in awhile, I would have switched to Wind already.

FCK YOU ROGERS AND FIDO. I do not feel bad for your companies profits decreasing. you deserve it!
me and my wife have been with rogers for 10 years. out of all 10 years, i only got a $5 dollar credit on each of our lines. for all of since the super 6 plan came out, before i switched to corporate plan last month. maybe i played my cards wrong in trying to get a better deal, but fuck rogers.

they need to be entered in the ass dry. by verizon.

i welcome the competition, even if it means only better deals for the first couple of years. when the big 3 gets impacted by the subscribers lost, maybe they will rethink on their whole approach to business.
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me and my wife have been with rogers for 10 years. out of all 10 years, i only got a $5 dollar credit on each of our lines. for all of since the super 6 plan came out, before i switched to corporate plan last month. maybe i played my cards wrong in trying to get a better deal, but fuck rogers.

they need to be entered in the ass dry. by verizon.

i welcome the competition, even if it means only better deals for the first couple of years. when the big 3 gets impacted by the subscribers lost, maybe they will rethink on their whole approach to business.
Same.

Rogers is the first and only time (so far) in my life I've ever experienced a business model that heavily penalizes loyalty and continued patronage.
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Rogers is the first and only time (so far) in my life I've ever experienced a business model that heavily penalizes loyalty and continued patronage.
Shaw is the same.
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what people want in terms of service far exceeds essential needs. I use a Blackberry at work and I probably send/receive up to 100 emails a day. Do I need 6 gigs of data? No - 500MB is sufficient. Why would I need 6 gigs? So I can watch a Youtube video on the go? Is that essential to my productivity as a professional?
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yes and no

I have to try really hard to get 3GB usage a month and I stream Google Play and Slingplayer

Most can do with 1GB. I know many on 500MB and they literally have to count their minutes on a youtube video or how many facetimes they can do a month. I only opted for 6GB for $30 only because it was a bit more $/mo over 1/2GB plans.

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I don't work for the Big 3, but like most Canadians, I probably have shares and I have friends and family who work for them. They dump gobs of money into community events, so they may be robbing you, but they do put money back into the community.

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that's no justification for price gouging. I know there are a few but what community events do they sponsor?

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FS and BB doesn't grossly jack up their price, and even if they do. There are tons of other options to get my Monster Cable, or printer cable (NCIX, The Source, online, etc.). Keyword here is alternative. We have three national wireless carriers here that offers the same price and services, leaving consumers with zero choice (WIND and Mobilicity are NOT national carriers).
+1...choices/options for consumers are not what we have here for mobile service...that makes the high profit margins of certain FS/BB products not a very good analogy

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Also, i tried to switch to the $39 plan, which has more data and everything than my current plan and they wouldnt switch me. I tell them, so some new customer is getting more data, more minutes, and is paying cheaper than me, and I've been with you guys for years? and you wont let me pay the same amount as that new customer? Also they said the minimum cancellation fee is $200 because I have data, even if I were to cancel my contract 31 days remaining until contract expiry. WTF?

shiet like that just pisses me off. I don't want to spend an hour with retentions going over contracts and haggling. If I wasn't around SFU area once in awhile, I would have switched to Wind already.
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Rogers is the first and only time (so far) in my life I've ever experienced a business model that heavily penalizes loyalty and continued patronage.
Most local telecoms actually does this
I've been with Telus DSL since the mid 90's yet they won't let me have the same deal as the newcomers...loyalty is a 2-way street...if Google fiber started service in Vancouver I'd bet many would switch in a heartbeat.
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yes and no

I have to try really hard to get 3GB usage a month and I stream Google Play and Slingplayer

Most can do with 1GB. I know many on 500MB and they literally have to count their minutes on a youtube video or how many facetimes they can do a month. I only opted for 6GB for $30 only because it was a bit more $/mo over 1/2GB plans.
And are you FaceTiming because you're working on a deal with a client? Are you YouTubing because it's part of a presentation for your clients?

My point was that most people with large data plans need them for personal reasons, not professional ones. Personal use is a luxury and not essential. Therefore, you shouldn't be entitled to low prices for luxury goods.

Maybe if young people stopped staring into their phones and started talking to each other face-to-face, a lot more could be done, but I digress...

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that's no justification for price gouging. I know there are a few but what community events do they sponsor?
A couple large ones off the top of my head:
Rogers Santa Claus Parade
Telus Taiwanfest

And many others over the years.
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that's no justification for price gouging. I know there are a few but what community events do they sponsor?
you know nothing

TELUS Walk to Cure Diabetes
We Day
60 Minute Kids Club
Can Centre for Child Protection
Free the Children
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and so on

plus the millions every year to charities and other non-profit organizations

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TELUS Walk to Cure Diabetes
We Day
60 Minute Kids Club
Can Centre for Child Protection
Free the Children
David Foster Foundation
Nature Conservancy of Canada
and so on

plus the millions every year to charities and other non-profit organizations

should i continue?
sorry I offended your modern day Robin Hood

You know that saying there's a reason why insurance companies have the tallest buildings in most downtown cores. It's the same thing with these teleco companies (Telus Science World...Rogers Arena...Centre Bell in Montreal)
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TELUS Walk to Cure Diabetes
We Day
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Can Centre for Child Protection
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plus the millions every year to charities and other non-profit organizations

should i continue?
Ask an accountant why a large corporation would donate so much money.
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And are you FaceTiming because you're working on a deal with a client? Are you YouTubing because it's part of a presentation for your clients?

My point was that most people with large data plans need them for personal reasons, not professional ones. Personal use is a luxury and not essential. Therefore, you shouldn't be entitled to low prices for luxury goods.
not everyone is in business and needs a Internet on the go for their work. Just because it's not an essential service for majority of the people doesn't mean prices needs to be higher than it is. In a previous thread I claimed US mobile plans aren't as cheap as many people are making it out to be but there's clearly price gouging happening in our market. I'm not claiming that Verizon will lower our rates for sure but more competition can only benefit consumers in the end.
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TELUS Walk to Cure Diabetes
We Day
60 Minute Kids Club
Can Centre for Child Protection
Free the Children
David Foster Foundation
Nature Conservancy of Canada
and so on

plus the millions every year to charities and other non-profit organizations

should i continue?
If I want to donate to a certain charity I will. I don't need a company to do it for me.
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Next they'll be telling me its my civic duty to support them.

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Dear Mr. Cope,
Amongst your many traits as CEO of Bell Canada Enterprises (BCE), tenacity, enthusiasm for your trade, and perseverance top the list. Conspicuous in its absence from your letter, however, is your sense of irony.
You begin the “unusual step of writing to all Canadians” (Strange, isn’t it, that “Canada’s Top Communication Company” should find it unusual to communicate with its customers?) with a history lesson, ostensibly in the interest of helping us “understand a critical situation” now facing the wireless industry: the potential entrance of an American company into the Canadian market.
You inform us that, since Parliament granted Bell its charter in 1880, Bell has spent 133 years “investing in delivering world-class communications services to Canadians.” An impressive track record!
You must, however, be aware that Bell’s permission to operate in Canada was initially obtained by agents acting in the interest of the (American) National Bell Telephone Company and that, after securing a favourable charter, three top-level executives from National Bell were appointed to Bell Canada’s board of directors (Babe, 1990, pg 68-69). Or how about how American Bell initially owned 50% of your company, only fully divesting its interest 43 years ago, in 1970 (Winseck, 1998, pg 119)?
Bell began its life in Canada as a branch plant of an American company; in a strange twist of fate, it’s now a descendant of National Bell Telephone – Verizon – which is contemplating (re)entering the Canadian market. And they leveraged this relationship to get an early leg up on the competition – using patents owned by its American parent, Bell quickly monopolized the market for Canadian telephone services, a monopoly it used to funnel profits back to the States. (Smythe, 1981, pg 141)
You suggest that “US giants don’t need special help from the Canadian government,” but that’s exactly how Bell got to where it is today!
That’s all ancient history, however, and in the here and now, BCE is a Canadian company who “welcomes any competitor,” so long as they “compete on a level playing field.” Right?
You’re calling on the Federal government to close “loopholes” that are intended to promote competition in your industry – rules that your company has forced the government to create.
Regarding the three “loopholes” you want closed:
1. “Verizon would be able to buy twice as much of Canada’s airwaves as Canadian companies like Bell can in an upcoming auction of wireless spectrum – the airwaves that carry your calls and data.”

According to a recent article in the Financial Post, BCE currently holds license to 19% of Canadian radio frequencies designated for mobile use – that’s if you include the upcoming blocks of 700MHz in the total – or 29% if you don’t. Bell didn’t get most of that spectrum by paying market price, but through a ‘beauty contest’ – the government licensed mobile spectrum to Rogers, Bell, Telus and other regional providers such as MTS and SaskTel for pennies compared to market value.[1] You might call that “existing spectrum holdings previously subsidized by Canadian taxpayers,” something you’ve got in spades but would deny to your competition.
Even in the unlikely event that you don’t win a block of 700MHz in the upcoming auction, you’ll still be in control of 19% of all available mobile spectrum in Canada – more than twice as much as the set-aside provides for new entrants.[2]
The playing field looks pretty tilted from here.
2. “They get to piggyback on the networks of Canadian carriers wherever they don’t want to invest and build their own.”
At least you won’t have to worry about Verizon piggybacking on your network here in rural Manitoba – because you barely have one. Instead you’ve chosen to only cover the most densely populated (and most profitable) areas of the province while ignoring places like Thompson, Churchill and the Whiteshell – a practice that you reserve exclusively for Verizon. Where you do provide service – Ontario, Quebec, Vancouver, etc. (Winnipeg, Brandon, and immediately surrounding areas in MB) – you’re already sharing a network with TELUS. Since 2009, Bell and TELUS have been sharing their national 3G (HSPA) network infrastructure. You’ve needed help providing your services for years, why should we expect Verizon to go it alone?
Rogers also has similar agreements with regional providers such as MTS. In fact, all three national providers are already sharing their networks with their “competitors,” yet you actively campaign to exclude new entrants such as WIND and Verizon from the club. Not my idea of a level playing field.
3. “Verizon can acquire smaller Canadian competitors – but Bell and other Canadian wireless companies can’t even try.”
You note that “With Ottawa’s help, the new companies [WIND, Mobilicity, Public Mobile] have become part of the vigorously competitive Canadian wireless marketplace”. I have to point out that with your help, one of those companies is facing imminent financial insolvency, while the other two are actively courting buyers. Naguib Sawiris, WIND’s original backer, has frequently and publicly lamented his decision to test your waters. The previous contestants, (Clearnet and Microcell) I would add, met a similar fate when they were bought out by TELUS and Rogers in 2000 and 2004, respectively. Are we supposed to believe that TELUS is competing with Koodo, or Rogers with Fido?
After every challenger contesting your dominance of the wireless market has been bought out or squashed, is it any wonder that the government wants to act to promote real competition?
Mr. Cope, I am Canadian. Like virtually every other Canadian I know, I rely on my mobile phone in my personal life and for my livelihood on a daily basis. The “critical situation” I face comes every month, when I open my wireless bill wondering whether I’ll be able to afford to pay it. Your company, along with Canada’s other major wireless providers, have had 30 years to address this situation. But you’ve failed. Posting huge profits and paying dividends year after year might satisfy your shareholders, but individual Canadians and their families are being hung out to dry. It’s time for a change. Faced with a choice between an American company fighting to gain a foothold in a hostile market or a Canadian one who takes my hard earned money for granted, I’ll pick the lesser of two evils. And if you don’t know which that is by now, I’ll happily send you a copy of my monthly phone bill.
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[1]According to a report Bell submitted to Industry Canada’s invite-only Wireless Roundtable in 2010, total fees paid by spectrum licensees to IC is $132M per year, your share of which (29%) is $38.28M per year by my estimate. Sounds like a lot, until you consider that you paid nearly that much at auction just to secure AWS spectrum for Toronto alone (Per year cost of winning bid for 10 year license.) It’s fair to say that most of the spectrum you’re holding (and have been for up to 30 years) has cost you significantly less than market value. Why should you have access to public subsidies for spectrum but not your competitors?
[2] This estimate excludes spectrum held by Bell et al for radio and television broadcasting, but includes the BRS spectrum – intended for mobile internet but out of use since early 2012 – currently being hoarded by Inukshuk Wireless, a joint venture between Bell and Rogers. Also, it assumes that Verizon will not have completed acquisition of Wind or other new entrants prior to the auction.
Sources Cited:
Babe, Robert E. Telecommunications in Canada. University of Toronto Press, Toronto. 1990.
Smythe, Dallas. Dependency Road: Communications, Capitalism, Consciousness, and Canada. Ablex Publishing, New Jersey. 1982.
Winseck, Dwayne. Reconvergence: A Political Economy of Telecommunications in Canada. Hampton Press, New Jersey. 1998.
source: I Am Canadian, A Reply to Bell?s Open Letter | Angelus Novus

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lol wow... shit just got real... all this hype...

Seriously, all this shit talk about how Verizon can come in and use their network... ITS funded by CANADIANS.. so shouldnt we be the ones deciding if we should allow Verizon in or not?!?!
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Maybe allow Verizon to operate but with strict enforced conditions. Conditions to keep operations in Canada using Canadian workers to name one.

Telus not only outsources tech support but their other departments that handle provisioning and some sales as well. I know because I have dealt with the incompetence and the call lag...
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