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Maybe allow Verizon to operate but with strict enforced conditions. Conditions to keep operations in Canada using Canadian workers to name one.
Telus not only outsources tech support but their other departments that handle provisioning and some sales as well. I know because I have dealt with the incompetence and the call lag...
Well that wouldn't be a very fair policy when the incumbents can outsource most of their support and operation staff from overseas, but Verizon can't.
There are deff some valid points but Robelus fucked themselves with all their shitty customer service
a lot of those ads also only show one side and its a pretty skewed side. The one refering to how many direct jobs and for every direct job there are 3 indirect jobs that are made... except they forget to say those indirect jobs are within Canada anyways
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When I asked Rogers why they can't give me the same plan from another local carrier, the only excuse they were able to give me is because they are a "premium" service provider.
So much for their promotion to "match" plans from other mobile carriers. They didn't even put in any effort to keep me as a customer when I've been with them for like 8 years Posted via RS Mobile
When I asked Rogers why they can't give me the same plan from another local carrier, the only excuse they were able to give me is because they are a "premium" service provider.
So much for their promotion to "match" plans from other mobile carriers. They didn't even put in any effort to keep me as a customer when I've been with them for like 8 years Posted via RS Mobile
"premium". I guess they say that to shut the customers up who are nagging them. Posted via RS Mobile
anyways, how about enforcing all players to keep operations in Canada? i guess that's a whole other topic.
Great idea, but will never happen. That's like preventing Apple, Nike and GM from outsourcing oversea companies/labor to create and assemble their products.
Industry Minister’s open letter says more wireless competition is better for Canada
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‘Fair for Canada’ is the name of a campaign that Bell, TELUS and Rogers started to inform the government – and ‘misinformed Canadians’ – of various policy loopholes that potentially favour ‘giant American corporations’ who might interested in entering the Canadian wireless space.
Much of this has to do with the recent rumours of Verizon buying WIND Mobile, thus possibly bidding in the upcoming spectrum auction. Their dedicated site states that the Big 3 are not opposed to competition, but that they want a ‘level playing field’ and “giving special access to foreign wireless companies will hurt Canadians,” plus is “unfair and will have massive consequences for Canadians.”
Late Friday, Prime Minister Stephen Harper declared he wants more competition in Canada and will not close the so-called ‘loopholes,’ specifically saying that “Our government has pursued this very consistently… a policy of fostering greater competition in this industry for the benefit of Canadian consumers over the past few years… While I appreciate some companies have interests that are very important, our government’s first priority is the wider Canadian public and Canadian consumers and we are convinced this is where they want to see us go.”
Things are now getting interesting.
In a letter, published by the Financial Post, to PM Harper by Anthony S. Fell, a Director of BCE, reveals this topic is getting personal. Fell noted that he finds it disrespectful that James Moore, the newly appointed Industry Minister, only gave George Cope, Darren Entwistle and Nadir Mohamed – who are ‘three of the most capable Chief Executive Officers in Canada’ – half hour to present their case. They each should have had more time with him to express the full scope of the impact of ‘Fair for Canada.’
Fell stated that “the biased spectrum auction and other major subsidies being proposed for Verizon have all the hallmarks of a political populist initiative to capitalize on a mis-informed public view that the Canadian cellular market is uncompetitive and Canadian cellphone charges are much higher in Canada than in the U.S… if the Canadian market is so uncompetitive and if cellphone charges so high and Canadian telecos so profitable, why can’t Verizon enter the market with no subsidy just like everyone else?”
The Prime Minister didn’t respond, but Moore did. He openly blasted Fell’s letter. The Minister happily responded to his questions and concerns, clearly stating the “letter is filled with assumptions.” Moore outwardly declared, even though he was not Minister of Industry at the time, that since 2008 the Canadian government has always served in the best interest of Canadians, not shareholders of corporations: “I have tremendous respect for the leaders of Canada’s telecommunications firms and their drive to do what is best for their shareholders. However, our responsibility is toward a broader public interest, and we are serving Canadians with our policy approach.”
Finally, to cap off the topic that Canadians are misinformed: “I think Canadians know very well what is at stake and they know dishonest attempts to skew debates via misleading campaigns when they see them. Equally, Canadian consumers know instinctively that more competition will serve their families well through better service and lower prices.”
Check out the entire letter called “A Telecom Policy for All Canadians” here.
A Telecom Policy for All Canadians
I am pleased to respond to many of the issues raised in the letter printed in the Financial Post today written by Anthony Fell, Bell Canada Enterprises Board Member.
I recognize that Canada’s largest wireless companies have responsibilities to their shareholders and their bottom line, and I also understand the need to pressure our Government to design policies that serve the interests of their firms. However, Mr. Fell’s letter is filled with assumptions about the outcome of the upcoming spectrum auction, and misinformation about the intent of our Government’s policy.
Our policy is designed to benefit Canadian consumers, first and foremost - and our policy will achieve this goal. Since 2008, due to liberalized investment rules and a consumer-centered policy on roaming service, rural spectrum deployment, antenna tower and site sharing, our Government has delivered for Canadians.
At times, Canada’s telecommunications firms have agreed with our reforms, at other times they have disagreed, but at no point have their views not been understood by our Government or not been incorporated into our policy deliberations.
I have tremendous respect for the leaders of Canada’s telecommunications firms and their drive to do what is best for their shareholders. However, our responsibility is toward a broader public interest, and we are serving Canadians with our policy approach.
In his letter, Mr. Fell says our policies are merely “a political populist initiative to capitalize on a mis-informed public view” of Canada’s telecommunications industry. I can assure Mr. Fell that our policies were quite deliberate, based on a great deal of consultation with all players – including Canada’s wireless companies – and will serve Canadians well.
Unlike Mr. Fell, I do not believe the public is misinformed. I think Canadians know very well what is at stake and they know dishonest attempts to skew debates via misleading campaigns when they see them. Equally, Canadian consumers know instinctively that more competition will serve their families well through better service and lower prices.
In a letter, published by the Financial Post, to PM Harper by Anthony S. Fell, a Director of BCE, reveals this topic is getting personal. Fell noted that he finds it disrespectful that James Moore, the newly appointed Industry Minister, only gave George Cope, Darren Entwistle and Nadir Mohamed – who are ‘three of the most capable Chief Executive Officers in Canada’ – half hour to present their case.
If a "capable" CEO cannot drive home the point in 30 mins - they do not deserve the extra air time. Some people only have four seconds to save the world while others only have three seconds to deal with the pressure...
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If robelus wasnt greedy in the first place, I doubt Verizon or any other companies would want in.. They set the prices sooo high and then brag about their yearly profits.. this would of course setup bait for others to come in an play... so they shouldnt be complaining/whining about it
Yup. I have a shaw box that is apparently destined for the scrap heap. Thankfully they have just included free leases in the new packages, but that doesn't do much for the $400 paid for the PVR.
We just decided to generate a massive pile of e-waste.
Industry Minister James Moore is on a cross-Canada tour of stakeholder meetings in an effort to calm some of the "overheated rhetoric" that is boiling up around the potential entry of U.S. giant Verizon Communications into Canada's wireless market.
Moore held his first meeting Friday in Vancouver, and next week's schedule is still being finalized. He was also promoting through his Twitter account a new Conservative Party website called Consumers First | Consumers First, which discusses the government's aim to increase competition and dispel myths about the wireless market.
Moore said he's doing the speaking tour because there is currently a lot of debate about his government's telecom policy and that so far it has been too one-sided.
"It's being dominated by people who have a vested interest in the benefits that this may or may not have for their firms," he told Rosemary Barton on CBC News Network's Power & Politics. The full interview airs at 5 p.m. ET.
"We want to make sure that Canadians know that our policy is about serving consumers and serving individual Canadians. That is what our policy is about."
Moore is pushing back against a very public campaign by Canada's three major mobile-phone network providers who are crying foul over the government's telecom policy. Bell, Rogers and Telus say new federal rules put them at a competitive disadvantage and are calling for them to be reversed.
Verizon, with 100 million customers, is eyeing the Canadian market. It's talked about taking over smaller Canadian players Wind and Mobilicity and is considering a bid on two blocks of Canadian spectrum that are set aside for new entrants to the market in an auction in January. The big three aren't allowed to bid on those blocks and they're also prohibited from acquiring the smaller companies.
'Overheated rhetoric'
Bell, Rogers and Telus argue Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government has created an unlevel playing field and are sharing their concerns with Canadians in a widespread media campaign that includes a website of their own, Fair For Canada - Stand up for Canada. It blasts the government for its "decision to promote loopholes and subsidies to giant American wireless companies" and for giving them "preferential treatment."
The companies further argue that the government's policy would drive Canadian jobs south of the border and that rural and remote communities would be underserved by new players on the scene.
But Moore doesn't buy their position that Verizon, or any other American firm, would get an advantage because of his government's decisions.
"If that's the case then why is it that it's only Verizon that's looking to enter the Canadian marketplace, potentially?" Moore said. "If this is such a horrific policy that is so clearly unfair and gives such a great advantage to foreign firms, then they'd be lining up and be very aggressively going after those two blocks of spectrum, and they're not."
Moore said he wants to assure Canadians, including employees of Canadian wireless companies, that the government's policy will benefit Canadians and create more choice.
"Canadian firms are going to continue to do well, and I just think there's a great deal of overheated rhetoric about speculation about what may or may not happen in the auction," he said.
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