Not really what if people with a one zone pass bus board the bus and pay cash to travel to another zone?

to those people that sign and back up the petition, i have one question. translink already said it costs about $25 Million to upgrade the equipment in the buses to make it so that riders can pay cash and use the existing fare to ride the rail. and we know for a fact that its only a small percentage of the riders that pay cash on the bus. now, the people that decide to back up that petition, are you willing to pay more for your fare? are you willing to pay more taxes?

Then there would still be a transaction record in the system indicating as such.

To put into perspective, 6000 of 1,200,000 daily riders is only 0.05%

In the grand scheme of things, it's such a small minority.. and I hate how people are bitching when they probably use a pass of their own now.

25,000,000 / 6000 = $4,167 of our tax dollars towards each of these daily cash riders refusing to get a damn pass
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I don't understand why they don't keep the paper tickets? In London they have the Oyster card but you can also buy a single trip paper ticket from a machine. It's not required that you have a card. Looking at the turnstiles at all the stations recently I don't see any slots for a paper ticket to go through.

If it's because they think it will be too slow, just put the stripe down the center of the cards like they do there and IIRC in Barcelona and the ticket can go in any of the four possible directions. Comes out the other side and you grab it as you walk by. Simple.

Among other reasons, because paper tickets are disposable and you then lose the data-based advantage that Translink is gunning for with this set of upgrades. It's not just about the transition to tap or paperless tickets, it's about the amount of information that translink can get when they look at where you start, where you go, what transfers you make, how long you stay at each transfer point and so on and so forth.

Why? So they can do better planning on how to get you from point A to point B faster and more efficiently. Which is what everyone is constantly harping at them to do all the time.

^Falcon: I think what you're suggesting there is the 'at least $9M' fix to allow the gates to read mag stripe transfers. Although cheaper than equipping all buses to dispense RFID Compass cards, still not worth it IMO for the ~6000 who pay cash on the bus and want to transfer, especially if the end goal is to transition everybody onto Compass over time and mine that user data

Btw the gate is gonna open per person gate? Or is it a turnstile?

^ its going to open per person that taps. seriously to the people complaining about this whole no transition from bus to skytrain: just effing get the card and load money onto it. if you're going to be paying cash anyways to ride the system, whats so hard to just put that cash into a frigging card?

I love mag stripes.. a simple old walkman with headphone and microphone jack + any computer can decode and encode as many cards as you like. It is great to be able to reuse old technology.

I hope that you will have the ability to reload the compass card online at home. I know times when I use the bus its usually a last resort, but i scramble around for change, it would be awesome to know i can refill online.

i would rather that $25 million go towards possible NFC phone/bcid(??) integration upgrades in the future. The 6000 estimate would drop considerably and EVERYONE would benefit.

hope so

i was listening to news1130 and a translink rep who was answering questions said you would be able to refill it online.

Safety and Security

question regarding their safety and security of lost/stolen wallets/cards...

since skytrains and busses have security cameras at the entrances of the stations and on the busses...if your wallet or card ever gets stolen, would you be able to call them up and find the last time your card was used, and have them bring up the video footage of when the person used it so you could get a sight of who they are? or would that be way to much work for them, resulting in them saying...spend another 6$ on a new card.

Ever had your phone stolen, and you call the phone company asking where it is and whether it's called anyone? They'll tell you that they don't have access to that information. Imagine if you had an abusive wife or husband who was trying to track down their spouse and knew the spouse's information well enough to claim that they had their wallet/compass stolen. "Yes, I'd like to know if it's been used since I got off at X place, to see if I can find it. Oh, it has? Can you tell me where?"

Even if they can track it, they'll most likely not release that information to you. It's not unpossible that it'll be easier for them to cross-reference things with the cops however.

^ never had anything stolen actually :p

Was just wondering if it would be like a credit card(gets stolen and they can find out where and when it was last used). If people are daily users, they'd probably tend to load the card with more to make loading less frequent.

If I were to load it up with 50$ to find out after 2-3 days it gets stolen and some prick uses it for the next month, I'd be kinda pissed lol

But oh well
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was in an empty bus and a mother of 2 told her kids that the future tickets from skytrains can not transfer to buses, the kids almost cried... i almost cried (they were very poor)

:okay:

I know it was on purpose, but I had to...

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/fzfYyMkz5u8/hqdefault.jpg

:yuno:

Should have mentioned that compass would actually save them money.

And this is the problem with all the hysteria around this: not only are they getting worked up over an option that's more expensive anyway, they're getting worked up over WRONG information. :speechless:

cliffs on how they save money? :pokerface:

Cliff says read the fucking thread.

Nothing to worry about if you register your card. Same idea as Starbucks' giftcards with balance protection IF you register