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The reason I failed you is because you posted a blatant mistake and tried to make it seem like you were right. And don't worry you got a "Thanks" from someone else who was wrong, so it should balance out :lawl: The fact that you continue to think I "literally could not be more wrong" when the precise opposite is true is pretty funny. |
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I'm also sure your post wont get edited/deleted if you posted a link to a sponsor's competitor product page when someone's looking for something specific. Rflush mentioned as long as you dont advertise your business by creating a thread you should be good. If you geuinely wanna help out the community and it involves creating a thread with affiliation to your business...show the siterunners some courtesy and send the mods a PM first asking for permission to post...you cant go wrong that way. If you're all about helping out the community I'm sure the admins/mods wont have any problem...given that sponsors dont directly throw a hissy fit and ask for your thread to be removed. |
im going to chime in on this... how many genuine times do ppl actually post of an experience they had at a shop? i honestly am asking, if those posts, or threads made up were not just an attempt to spam RS? I, have done enough investigative work, on each time this has happened, to find out its either someone at the shop, or a friend of the shop. In the end of the day, what is the worse that can happen for the shop to try to spam RS? Everyone can have their opinions, but being the guy that went to all these shops to sign them up, your speculations are just opinions. and to add food for thought, i even had one of these shops say "yeah, we finally decided to sign up, got tired of trying to spam you guys" the funny thing is there is another thread going on about adding value to sponsors on RS, which is kinda the opposite. ive been reading this thread... interesting on everyones insite... Quote:
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But i've refrained from passing the info here on RS because its shunned which is no big deal to me but some of us do like passing on good info to others or make helpful suggestions (re: where can i buy this locally thread) I can understand clamping down on this though because there May be more shops looking at posting as an opportunity to advertise than genuine members giving info but I could also see mods keeping a lock on this by only allowing older members to post such experiences I dunno anyway no sweat off my back :D |
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As this is getting interesting again, and some are starting to feel litigious, I feel I need to add that the following represents my opinion, and opinion only. One, do you have a link to that forum thread? I'd like to read through it. Two...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....LOL...HA. Do the math kiddies. Do the math. If I'm selling a "business opportunity" of any kind, there are going to be winners and losers. That money needs to come from somewhere. Their business isn't selling affiliate links to amazon, or the much touted Google adsense. If, IF the pile of cash was legit(or represented the actual bank account. PS, I don't know how I feel about fake cash. The big checks have a sense of puffery about them, being big and all. The fake cash is kind of the same thing, but not) it would be coming from its own cannibalizing of business members. There needs to be an ever growing group of people that want in on the business opportunity to provide that cash to the ones that are already there. There are NO outside customers. Replace it with Subway. I could be in the franchise business for Subway. I could buy a territory and sub-divide and sell off franchises. I never make a sandwich. I sell the business. But the actual business owners, the ones that make the sandwiches have outside customers. People buy the food. There is no one in this deal that eats the sandwiches. The only end customer I can see are the ones that buy into the business and give up, or fail or whatever. That's where the stack of money comes from. |
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actually, its softened quite a bit in the last few years. the quick decision was in direct reaction to sponsors to "do something, and do something fast, why am i paying if my competitor can come on here and spam?" now, members and everyone have come on board to help out sponsors by directing questions like those to actual sponsors. for the amount of effort, to gain so little yield, not even for myself, but for this website, i even question myself in asking, why do i bother. you try to help the sponsors, you get backlashed from the members, you try to side with the members, you get backlash from the sponsors. tell me how we should approach this? at that moment and at that time, a quick decision was to be made. the time i tried to calmly advise SR auto (a paying sponsor at the time) in how to react and turn the negative thread into a positive thread, SR quit sponsorship on the spot. at the end of the day, who pays the bills? and who are the members that just want to start shit because they are bored? haters gonna hate... and those advice threads, 50% of which are genuine, other 50% are 2 accounts coming from the same ip. kinda like someone at a crash scene yelling out for a good bodyshop, only to have one of his buddies come out posing as a good Samaritan for a recommended good bodyshop... Quote:
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I'm also reluctant to give any sort of opinion or insight because it usually turns into a "you don't pay the bills so you can stfu" or a "well if you don't like it then gtfo" sort of responses. I've said my piece and will be out before this turns into a bash-session. |
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But if it's only applause you're looking for and not any sort or form of adverse opinion, well then good job on running the website, you're doing a speculator job. Thank you for all your hard work, it certainly has come a long way. |
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I think there is also something to be said for "car shit" vs "anything else". There is more value to advertising car stuff to a group of people mostly of the car mentality, then there is advertising other stuff to a demographic that's maybe not as defined on RS. Yeah, we all eat, but its not primarily a food forum. As a member, we just like to be kept in the loop :) Someone saying, "no one is advertising dubious business opportunities and he's not openly soliciting members. Fair play" or "your recommend a wheel refinishing place thread is the 5th this month. I submit to you now, we have either covered the shit out of it, or the answer was never meant to be known. Either way, its spam and its closed." People know the reason why, can either accept and move on, or bitch in the member support area but either way its off the main site. |
its not applause i look for, but an explanation of our actions. by having a strict and swift hand at dealing with spam, it allows for you to have that link in your signature for free. Quote:
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as one of the guys that runs this site, there are things in which we dont need to keep the public in the loop. whats allowed and isnt allowed, whats seen as spam, what isnt. i garantee, once we make anything public and obvious, ppl will just find ways around it or to bend it. this is how i kinda see RS. i am not your landlord, nor are you my tenant. there is no exchange for rent, however, there an understanding that the public thumb tack board shouldn't be used to solicit business without prior consent. the common area is free to use, but use of common sense is highly advised. the advertising you see on the walls pays for the fooseball table, and the pingpong table. it pays to keep the lights on and the the free internet we all use here. Quote:
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and... ive actually finally read through most of this thread, over the weekend, while i cooled down from work and slowly get over whatever it is that is going around at the moment that is making me sick to the stomach, weak and downright disgusting. having helped run this board for 13 years, what i lacked in technical training, i have gained in straight out stupidity and trial n error. 1 phrase that was taught to me very early on was "traffic is king". even if with low odds, so long as there is high enough traffic. throw enough rocks into a pond, and eventually you will hit a damn fish. like with many affiliate programs out there, its the determination of the person that participates that ultimately decides on the outcome. if you have 1/2 the brains to do it, and 1/2 the aptitude to sell it, you will only result in a possible 1/2 the odds of a positive outcome. to each there own, john seems to have made some good $$$ doing what he does. even without looking into it, there are ppl that have succeeded from participating in his seminars and lectures, and there are ppl that have utterly failed at it. my personal opinion, like education, what you do with it is still in your hands. having said that, i wish i went thru the bcit route over college and university. |
must suck to have such a big cheque. how many folds must you do to have it fit in your wallet so you can go to the bank to deposit it on your lunch break. |
But sg, thats not really what is being discussed here. There is the website. Great. Go nuts. If you have a site, and followers and they spend money to be like you...well, thats on them. We are talking specificaaly MTTB. Its being promoted on YOUR board. Is he outright saying, "sign up here?". No. But when he says this thread made him money, think how. Rankings in google, a chance to spread the gospel or straight up sign ups...pick one. Saying that he is kind of legit is pretty unfair when its stacking up that he is more than an affiliate to the company. Does he own it? Who really knows. But its fake as shit. That fake stack of cash, if it represents real money, comes from failed businesses, because there are no outside customers. None. I dont want tnis thread closed. I want it to stay open, and add to the discussion on opportunity. And ps, 2 year leases are cheap as shit. Just sayin. |
see, here is how everything comes to light. parm brought up how we shouldnt censor spam, though it was more directed to specific type of spam (correct me if im wrong) if we react the same exact same way, that i normally do, that is, someone informs me of the thread, if no moderator has taken action yet, then i step in. this what we normally do. then comes the backlash, members saying im being unfair, i shouldnt censor, so on and so forth. this time, i am told of the thread, but i decide, lets let it ride. it isnt self promoting (til later on in the thread), now im being told i SHOULD have taken action. you guys are hard to please. its almost as if dependant on topic, you would side it as spam, or not spam... so in essence, its ok for shops, not ok for 1 guy? (money aside) in the end, this thread pretty much had its 15mins of fame, and has died, now its side tracking. this thread went a little personal at some points (from what i have read) but what was surprising, it stayed some what civil. no real name calling, maybe some emotional outbursts, but at one point, difference in opinion reached a junction in which both parts apologized for "going a bit too far", thus then bringing it back. and ps, depends where you lease, what you are leasing it for, and if its zoned already for what your purpose to use the lease. and if applied, local area allows for your lease of the area to be used for business to their liking, and or add value to the area. like i said... this is an interesting thread. wont go down in history like christmas lobster hotpot, but still some noted points reached. Quote:
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I was a silent reader to this thread. I must say it was quite gross. There's a line to draw between defending your business and just being arrogant in your delivery. Some posts from Mr. John were unneeded and unnecessary. A lot of the photos were just sensational tripe. Maybe I didn't read all the posts clearly enough to get the 'vibe' but I could only read so much. But hey, simply playing objective 3rd party here. |
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i am actually awaiting a response from Chow to this if he gets back on this thread. this should be an interesting response. |
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