"US police shoot and kill 13-year-old boy with toy rifle"
 

PressTV - US police shoot and kill 13-year-old boy with toy rifle

Sigh... Murica.. =.=

Aren't replica/airsoft guns supposed to have colored tips to prevent these kind of incidents?
Posted via RS Mobile

RIP.

The gun looked pretty realistic, and didn't have the painted muzzle to indicate it was a toy:
http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/24/35/12.../3/628x471.jpg

Don't parents teach their children when raising them that its common sense not to wave and point replica/toy guns at anyone whether real or not.

Ugh, I'm not sure where you grew up but as a kid, I loved playing pretend with my friends/brother where we'd be secret agents or what have you and shoot each other.

I mean, if this isn't the case for most kids, why do we even have toy guns to begin with?

WTF is the kid doing with that and another one tucked in his pants anyway? And to not drop them when asked... I don't know the whole story but it doesn't seem like innocent children playing cops and robbers to me..

Tragic, but I'm not sure what the kid or people expected to happen when he was walking around with a replica gun in public that could be mistaken for an authentic firearm and ignoring police commands to drop the rifle.

Andy Lopez, teen killed carrying toy rifle, "respected" police, father says - CBS News

As a parent. Fuck replicas. Just stick with nerf guns.

kid was probably freaked the hell out seeing 2 cops with guns pointed at him yelling and he probably didn't react fast enough for the police and got shot or he tried to explain "its just a toy" and i bet and the cops were too stupid and scared to act calmly and shot him multiple times

something along those lines

You play the game, you gon' git got. Na meen?

Again, the word "assault rifle" being thrown around, this time defining a TOY.

Standard practice for an officer is to calmly confront the man/woman carrying such an object, and to determine;

1. Is it a real firearm, and does the owner have a valid open carry license? (in states where it's applicable).

2. If it is not a real firearm, to either confiscate it or ask that it be stored in a closed container.

3. In states where open carry is not legal, and it is a real firearm, to ask that he or she surrender the weapon immediately. Only after the subject shows a clear intent to use deadly force is the firing of an officer's weapon allowed.


Even in the worst case scenario, shooting a boy 13 times?




To add a bit of clarity to the issue, our federal laws outline that any "firearm" that is incapable of firing a projectile at a speed greater than 500fps is not a firearm at all, furthermore, owning such a "firearm" is not subject to any licensing or registration (allowing that it has the orange tip). With the exception of municipal guidelines, holstering such a "firearm" is legal, though it is considered to be severely taboo in urban areas. This is not to say that the police would be wrong in stopping you in your tracks for doing so, but it would also be completely illegal for them to fire on you for simply having one on you.

This thread is about an awful tragedy, it's so preventable it's awful. I agree with one of the above posters that these types of awful mistaken identity cases are not isolated and there are few reasons to make a hyper-realistic replica but lots of good reasons why not to.

With that said, the post I quoted is absolutely retarded. Police officers are justified in defending themselves if they feel their health is in jeopardy and having a realistic looking replica semi-automatic machinegun whirled towards you does not give you the luxury of waiting to see if it's real. A real AK47 is capable of shooting almost 2 bullets per SECOND - if it took 10 seconds to figure out if it was real or fake which is pretty quick at a distance, they could have 20 bullets coming in their direction.

And he definitely wasn't shot 13 times anywhere that I can see... it says "multiple shots were fired" but I don't think that it says 13?

Mark

The situation you just outlined is the worst case scenario, and does not apply to what steps officers are otherwise mandated to follow.
If a weapon is drawn at an officer, fake or not, the officer has the right to open fire.

13 was for dramatic effect, you don't have to shoot a boy multiple times, even if you're faced with a worst case scenario.



If you still don't believe that police officers have to act in the way I specified, take a look at this douchebag.

This is the definition of a hostile situation... ignoring demands to drop it and then turning it towards officers. If the guy in the above video you posted had turned and aimed it at the police with unknown intentions he would have gotten shot as well.

Mark

?

I was clearly aware of why it's allowed in my first post, but it doesn't change the fact that they shot a child multiple times for carrying and aiming (and I know it wouldn't matter) a toy gun.

An AK47 in it's stock form is NOT LEGAL anywhere in the states. It's manufactured as a full automatic.

"About 28,000 people have been killed by guns in the US since the massacre of 26 elementary school students and teachers in Newtown, Conn., last December, according to The Slate's estimate based on data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."
Ummm holy fucking christ.
Hand guns fire bullets fast, and you can be sure 16 shots are easy to get fired off before you even realize your target has dropped. Police are trained to shoot to kill. The amount of bullets has no relevance.

There is one major difference in the situation you outlined and the youtube video and what happened in the Andy Lopez situation, the way the rifle was being carried. If the firearm (real or replica) was holstered or carried in a non threatening manner (like in the youtube video, shoulder strapped onto his back), then yes, the officers need to take the time to make that determination.

However Lopez was carrying the replica rifle in his hand and lifted the barrel of the rifle towards the officers after receiving multiple verbal commands to drop the rifle. Likely Lopez was flustered or shocked and just swung around in an unfortunate manner with the barrell towards the officers.

One witness reported three shots were fired, that is not excessive at all. You are trained to fire center mass at the subject until the subject goes down, I've personally witnessed subjects take up to 6 rounds before they stop advancing or go down.

This is just a really tragic set of circumstances and unfortunate set of events for all involved.

Stories like these aren't that uncommon, its always a preventative measure my parents took raising my brother and I. It was always "don't bring anything or point anything at anyone that look like it could be mistaken for a weapon". Better safe than sorry. Even toy guns with orange caps can be mistaken for a real gun.

LOL even then new nerf guns are getting pretty close to being shaped like real guns. Minus the colour schemes.

You don't need to shoot a "boy" multiple times? Even if he's pointing an automatic rifle at you??
You stop to shoot the threat. Simple as that. A shot to the chest might not kill him, giving him enough time to pull the trigger and launch a few rounds.

Now consider that scenario, the cop shoots and the kid gets taken down to his knees. He fires a few rounds and it hits a passing car driven by a loved one of yours. Would you not then blame the police for not taking down the "boy" quicker?

Actually saw a video of some crazed man in some court room. He pulls out a pistol and makes some demands, after that he fires one round at someone. An officer appears from behind and shoots him. The crazed man gets hit in the back/leg and goes down, he unloads the 7 or 8 shots of his clip into the crowd before taking his own life.

28000? I'm not so sure about that... is that including suicides? Cause suicides account for over 60% of all firearm deaths.

Also, according to the CDC which you just quoted as your source, there was only 11078 firearm homicides in 2010, you're telling me in first 10 months of 2013 that number almost tripled?

FASTSTATS - Homicide

he was quoting the article in the op.

Man.. that toy gun looks real.
RIP little boy.

We riding around with guns the size of Lil' Bow Wow
What you know about AK's and AR-15's
Equipped with night vision, shell catchers and inf beams, huh?