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Old 02-05-2014, 10:24 PM   #26
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Having spent 13 years driving in real fog on the east coast of Nfld, I am a firm believer in genuine fog lights with yellow lenses/bulbs. Anything else is just poser bling if you really want to be able to see in real fog. Blinding white light does not make it easier to see in fog.
Should have used this argument...
"but officer, it was foggy where I just came from"

Nonetheless, wasn't a walk in the park but my VI got cancelled
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I highly doubt that regardless of the 10% size difference any aftermarket wheel that would have ended up in a 1992 Soarer is of equivalent strength or durability of an OEM Toyota wheel. I'm certain that while whatever shop is being paid to do an inspection will probably pass it, it does not meet the letter of the law in terms of legality. I'm more intrigued as to what the response of the RCMP Supernintendo will be if the conversation in this thread is indicative of the complaint received.

my steering wheel is 36cm and stock is 40cm
everything I have is legal
at 1.30am doing 19 over
I talked to the shop
the cop was just being an ass
my steering wheel is legal because stock size was 40cm
My current wheel is 36cm
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the thing is the car is legal..... you are allowed to have after market parts you just have to meet the guidelines and I have. Its BS that a police officer can you give you a VI just because he assume's.... I work with cars everyday and I see people come in with cars falling apart and they are all newer cars.... and just because I drive a RHD import I get in shit.... They target us because we are easy to spot and its wrong. So I will be complaining and I will let you know how it goes. I only ever have this problem with RCMP.... Abbotsford police have yet to ticket me or give me a VI they just talk to me about the car same with VPD, Rcmp seem to have something to prove and we are the ones paying for it.
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I agree that just because somebody drives a RHD JDM import they get "in shit" and are targeted....oh wait, my previous RHD experience was 15 years with my first one, a year with this one and I belong to a car club where many of the members drive RHD cars and not one of us has been even stopped, let alone given a VI. I attended a car meet in Oregon this past summer and nobody there ever reported being hassled???? Wonder why? Maybe it's not the RHD car that's the problem?
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If that photo is indicative of how your car looms now, i can see 2 things wrong immediately.
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Having spent 13 years driving in real fog on the east coast of Nfld, I am a firm believer in genuine fog lights with yellow lenses/bulbs. Anything else is just poser bling if you really want to be able to see in real fog. Blinding white light does not make it easier to see in fog.
Not to thread jack, but I once had an RCMP officer tell me they were illegal when I was at a road block, but that she wouldn't give me a VI...

Mine are the OEM Honda ones that came on my 2004 Civic, albeit with yellow lenses instead of white (because like you said, white is useless for fog) and it was foggy, not to mention night, at the time. They were in the OEM location



^ Exactly like this picture. Thoughts?
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Not to disagree with a "professional" mechanic, but simply based on that photo, he's flat out wrong about your car being 100% legal.
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We'd be talkin' bout the tinted windows and clear turn signals and lack of yellow front and red rear reflectors would we? A proper initial inspection when the car was imported would have required those to be taken care of before passing. As I said in my previous posts, there is always more to the story. Seems like apologies mingt be coming from the OP, not the RCM....P? be interested to see if it passes looking like that. If this IS his cars & it passes, then I would suggest an improper inspection was done..a $368 fine for the inspector and maybe cancellation of inspector status. IF....
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So OP, you are complaining because you got a VI to have your vehicle inspected, rather than being ticketed for EVERYTHING the cop saw that was wrong on the spot? The VI is so you can prove your car follows the MV Act/Regulations. If it does pass, then good. Does it suck that you have to bite the bill for the inspection? Sure. But the reality is you wouldn't have been given the VI unless there was at least ONE thing that didn't appear to meet regulations.

Please do update us on your "complaint" to both the Officer's Superintendent, and also when you file a formal complaint with the Commission for Public Complaints. You aren't the first and definitely won't be the last person to break the law and cry about having done nothing wrong.

PS. I am pretty sure putting MEDALS on your pedals are not only illegal but unsafe... Tell me one thing though... were they at least gold?
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PS. I am pretty sure putting MEDALS on your pedals are not only illegal but unsafe... Tell me one thing though... were they at least gold?[/QUOTE]

Did he have to go into sudden death to win them? Like in vancouver?
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The officer had good reason to issue you a VI or you pissed him off by being a smart ass. If they say the windows are tinted, don't say its stock, if they say your exhaust is loud, tell them why its loud and don't start teaching them the inspection manual on the road side.

I've had 2 imports that were begging for VI's. Older slammed widebody Mercedes that probably violated multiple suspension and ride height requirements, and every reflector and light requirement, and a R32 that also had no DRL, aftermarket steering wheel, metal pedals, harnesses and straight pipes. These cars would literally get me pulled over on a monthly basis for random checks.

I was always polite, told them it was an import, and admitted to anything that wasn't up to code that they would ask about.

Never ONCE did I get a N&O.
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The funny thing is I wasnt being a smart ass to the officer, he asked why he pulled me over and I knew I was speeding. I even said "speeding". The Front plate is now on so that is legal, and for the blinkers are fine, I asked a police officer and he said it was fine... the bulbs are tinted inside. Also the tint on the front windows has been removed, it was green and looked like crap and also was almost as dark as limo. The car goes in at 10.30 friday morning ill post the results. I also talked to a family friend who is RCMP, and he said I cant really complain about the officer because it won't really go anywhere... which whatever ill live with it, but I'm still pissed off about the VI. I did nothing to anger the officer i was respectful I said yes sir no sir... and i got it because he "assumed" my steering wheel was to small, yea its a small price to pay when you drive a car like mine but I do not agree with the VI.
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Where are the required side reflectors...were there ever any on the car? It cannot pass without them? Now after you tell us more we are seeing that the Cop was not a jerk. You were speeding, you had no front plate, tinted windows, undersized steering wheel and no side reflectors...any maybe something else as well....you never got a defective vehicle VT but got a VI that requires your car to meet the minimum standards. Quite a break. I am still wondering how it ever got past the provincial inspection in the first place? If it was modded after passing a legitimate inspection then you could have been ticketed for "failing to maintain to standards" and that is a $598 VT plus immediate #1 VI. I think we can see why you are being told your complaint will not go anywhere. Wonder if the Cop could file one on you?

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The funny thing is I wasnt being a smart ass to the officer, he asked why he pulled me over and I knew I was speeding. I even said "speeding". The Front plate is now on so that is legal, and for the blinkers are fine, I asked a police officer and he said it was fine... the bulbs are tinted inside. Also the tint on the front windows has been removed, it was green and looked like crap and also was almost as dark as limo. The car goes in at 10.30 friday morning ill post the results. I also talked to a family friend who is RCMP, and he said I cant really complain about the officer because it won't really go anywhere... which whatever ill live with it, but I'm still pissed off about the VI. I did nothing to anger the officer i was respectful I said yes sir no sir... and i got it because he "assumed" my steering wheel was to small, yea its a small price to pay when you drive a car like mine but I do not agree with the VI.
you don't have to LIKE the VI, but I don't see how you cannot agree with it. You either deserve it or you don't, which means your car was either up to standards or it wasn't.. and it wasn't, so what's your deal?
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I think he wants us to believe that everything wrong that he has listed and what we here have observed from his picture....was not present when he was stopped & the ONLY reason he got the VI was for his illegal steering wheel. Anybody here see a problem with that point of view??
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General lighting requirements

4.02 (1) A vehicle on a highway must only be equipped with and use lamps, reflectors or other illuminating devices authorized by this Division or authorized in writing by the director.

(2) A vehicle on a highway must be equipped with lamps equivalent to those provided by the original manufacturer in accordance with the requirements that applied under the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada), or a predecessor to that Act, at the time of vehicle manufacture.

(3) All lamps, lamp bulbs and reflectors required or permitted by this Division must comply with

(a) the approved standards established by the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) and the applicable SAE standards,


Reflective devices



(5) A vehicle with an overall width of 2.05 m or more, or a trailer or semitrailer having a gross weight in excess of 1 400 kg, must be equipped with at least

(a) 2 amber reflectors mounted on the side of the vehicle, trailer or semitrailer near the front,

(b) 2 amber reflectors mounted on the side of the vehicle, trailer or semitrailer near the rear, and


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Attachment of number plates

3.011 Number plates issued for a vehicle under the Commercial Transport Act or Motor Vehicle Act must be attached

(a) one plate to the front
and one plate to the rear of the vehicle, if 2 number plates are issued for a vehicle, and

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Windshields and windows

7.05 (1) No person shall drive or operate on a highway a motor vehicle the windshield or any window of which is in such condition that the vision of the driver is impaired

(8) No person shall drive or operate on a highway a motor vehicle which has affixed to or placed on the windshield or a window any material that reduces the light transmitted through the windshield or window unless the material is affixed to or placed on

(a) the windshield but not more than 75 mm below the top of the windshield,

(b) a side window that is behind the driver, or

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Steering mechanism
Steering wheels shall be of substantially the same size, shape and strength as the steering wheel supplied by the manufacturer of the motor vehicle

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Notifications and orders

25.08 (1) Despite an inspection certificate being in force, the director or a peace officer may, on having reasonable and probable grounds to believe that a vehicle may not comply with the standards, notify the owner or operator of a vehicle to present it for inspection to a designated inspection facility within the period set out in the notification

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OR....30 days to have your vehicle pass these standards........priceless....for everything else, you could be paying the tickets with your VISA
I can see why you are pissed off at the Cop.
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I just want to know the inspection results of his car and how it actually looked when he brought it in.
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I'm just intrigued by him not being happy with the metal pedals though, i know for a fact Civic Si's USED to come stock with them. (06-11's)
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Your steering wheel was smaller than stock and that is not legal.
Do you know what the reason might be for this?

If I can barely get my hand between the steering wheel and my right knee when I turn the wheel, you bet I'm swapping the steering wheel.



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Having spent 13 years driving in real fog on the east coast of Nfld, I am a firm believer in genuine fog lights with yellow lenses/bulbs. Anything else is just poser bling if you really want to be able to see in real fog. Blinding white light does not make it easier to see in fog.
Completely agree. I don't know how half the OE light junk passes for safe or legal. But then you're fighting the law if you re-wire the lights to illuminate without the low-beam headlamps on because it's not "functionally equivalent" to the OE spec.
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Do you know what the reason might be for this?

If I can barely get my hand between the steering wheel and my right knee when I turn the wheel, you bet I'm swapping the steering wheel.





Completely agree. I don't know how half the OE light junk passes for safe or legal. But then you're fighting the law if you re-wire the lights to illuminate without the low-beam headlamps on because it's not "functionally equivalent" to the OE spec.
how old is your car that you cannot adjust the height of the wheel, and the position of your seat so that your knees aren't up to your chest?
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Your steering wheel was smaller than stock and that is not legal.
Do you know what the reason might be for this?


Not being a physics major or a car designer, this is my WAG...something to do with a decrease in mechanical advantage from the smaller wheel. The car designers figure all these things into the design and manufacture of the original wheel. Installing something smaller and not designed to meet the engineer's specifications might not be good for the car...or the driver's ability to control it. Just my WAG.
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how old is your car that you cannot adjust the height of the wheel, and the position of your seat so that your knees aren't up to your chest?
'05 Outback.

I sit with a fairly upright position, the steering wheel is at the highest position and if I sat any further back, the wheel would be at an uncomfortable distance.



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Not being a physics major or a car designer, this is my WAG...something to do with a decrease in mechanical advantage from the smaller wheel. The car designers figure all these things into the design and manufacture of the original wheel. Installing something smaller and not designed to meet the engineer's specifications might not be good for the car...or the driver's ability to control it. Just my WAG.
With power steering being the way it is these days (read: over boosted, mushy vague crap), you can parallel park with your pinky finger. I doubt a diameter reduction of a couple CM will blow up the engine.

Perhaps this is another one of those laws left over from the pre power steering days where you needed a wheel as big as a helm wheel to steer the barge.
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Ah yes, the "steering wheel spinner knob"....looked like a door knob attached to the wheel. Once you got the wheel moving you cranked the knob around in a circle to help keep it moving. Without these thing you would never be able to turn a 59 De Soto.

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So the only thing need on the car is front reflectors. The front plate was on when I got pulled over, I didn't pass because of reflectors and i had a turn signal out. The cop gave me a VI for a steering wheel and petals and Those 2 things PASSED, And as for the speeding ticket 19 over on HWY 1 at 1.30 in the morning, and i was in the slow lane and getting passed.
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So the only thing need on the car is front reflectors. The front plate was on when I got pulled over, I didn't pass because of reflectors and i had a turn signal out. The cop gave me a VI for a steering wheel and petals and Those 2 things PASSED, And as for the speeding ticket 19 over on HWY 1 at 1.30 in the morning, and i was in the slow lane and getting passed.

You got pulled over because you were speeding (sorry, the limit does not apply at 1.30am, my bad) . When you were stopped you a VI because your car was not compliant with the minimum requirements of the MVAR .To quote..."the front plate is now on" (making us believe that it was not when you were stopped..and it is missing in the picture too)... I believe you told us you had tinted windows ( the picture posted show them), no front plate and the smaller than stock (possibly non-conforming) steering wheel. You also have no side reflectors. A complete inspection by an impartial inspector would decide IF the wheel and pedals were compliant, among other things. Interesting to note that you never mentioned the reflectors until we did. Your car was/is non compliant even now. I'm thinkin' the opinion here was that your encounter was justifed.

I believe you mean "pedals" were not found to be illegal...and the inspector who examined your questionably illegal steering wheel decided in your favour...means everything else that you have lead us to believe was wrong with your car, didn't exist. I guess the Cop was correct in issuing the VI after all...or you could refer to post# 41 and figure you got off easy. I bet your inspection cost a lot less than any of the tickets you could have been issued?

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