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Old 02-07-2014, 04:57 PM   #26
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Just got home and got the chance to watch the video but hell... I don't know about everyone but those cops were hella polite.
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I don't know why some people defend those cops.
Breaking his arm was uncalled for and unnecessary.

Those cops are strong enough that they could easily muscle him out.

So this mentally disabled kid was causing mild inconvenience by not getting out of the bus, extreme violence became ok
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the news edit made it seem as thought the officers just grabbed him and broke his arm, but after watching the audio video it does seem as thought the officers tryed to talk to the individual and made it clear that if he chose not to leave the bus then he would be removed by force. He was also a pretty big kid and if he had a history of violence i a can understand the officers position.
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"The 16-year-old has been diagnosed with Tourette syndrome, anxiety, bipolar and pervasive developmental disorder."
When you have a kid or adult even, with all of these known issues and you attempt to integrated them into mentally stable normal society, problems can happen. Its foolish to assume otherwise. I'm all for inclusion but parents of kids like this one need to be more responsible towards them. If your child is going to pose a problem then you handle the child dont expect others to do so. His mother even noted he has been like this in the past " I haven't seen him quite this defiant in quite a long time". Couple his known issues with his size, he's not a 60 pound ten year old, and theres gonna be more problems.
Now I'm not condoning the police actions, just look how they stood over him posturing in a very threatening manner. This alone would make a kid with his issues more uncomfortable and less willing to be compliant, so the cops initial stance was very counter productive but again this kid with his set of anti social issues and known prior behavior should not have been there in the first place and how a mentally healthy society handles these behaviors proves it.
Bottom line parents need to be responsible for their children and not expect others to deal with them.
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they had easily lifted him out of the chair and towards the door they should have just grabbed both arms and escorted him one more step to the exit

even when the kid was saying "nope not happening" they had already gotten him halfway there

even in the longer clip with the police speaking "politely" to the kid they were simply threatening him "someones gonna get hurt" "you'll end up in jail and the hospital"

i don't know... i guess i expect when an adult speaks to a child especially one with authority they would try to reason with the kid to get him to do "the right thing", "be a big boy" "don't you want your mom & dad to be proud of you" you know that sort of talk not the "somebodies gonna get a hurt real bad" type of talk and if he still doesn't go give it more time, he still doesn't get off? carry him off like you would a kid not like a crackhead resisting arrest

it was like i was watching two big kids bully a freshman "so you gonna give us your lunch money kid? we don't want to have to do this you know? someones going to end up in the hospital after we're through...so what do you say? can we have your lunch money?"

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I cant stand these types of stories.

someone refuses to cooperate...police need to use some sort of force to get the job done...person gets injured then cries bloody murder and bitches and complains and goes for the law suit.

might as well just go to safeway and drop a jar of pickles on the ground then slip on them 30 seconds later and sue them for not having a clean aisle...easier way to get your money.


I find this a way more interesting story:

cop arrests a firefighter for not moving the firetruck while the fire dept was helping people in a crash on the highway. fire truck was being used as a buffer for the ambulance, cop got pissy about having the truck blocking an extra lane of traffic so he had the fire fighter put in cuffs and detained in the car.

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even in the longer clip with the police speaking "politely" to the kid they were simply threatening him "someones gonna get hurt" "you'll end up in jail and the hospital"


1) The cops were polite and spoke calmly
2) They clearly explained to the kid as plainly and as calmly as possible what the consequences are and which one best suits both their outcomes
3) The asked multiple times in an effort to give the kid as much chance as possible to end this calmly.

Politely threaten? You really are reaching just to keep up your "Fuck-The-Police" persona aren't you.
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The kid got what was coming to him.


Now he knows that if the police have to come and get you, they're bringing the pain with'em!
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From the police perspective, they are definitely afraid had they carried him out in a proper manner (holding him by the armpit and carrying him) since he is mentally ill and had made threats in aggressive manner.

It's easier to say or ask "why not just carry him out properly?", "he weighs 140 lbs", but the police officer had to put his safety first. The kid is mentally ill and did state that "someone might get hurt" (according to the news), so god knows what he would do while being taken out, maybe attempt to grab their guns. Also, breaking the kid's arm was properly not his intention.

But let's talk reality (away from the police officers perspective)

1) excessive force was definitely used.
2) the kid is not charged, no reason to put his arm behind his back.
3) the kid is not being arrested, no reason to put his arm behind his back.
4) the kid is considered under age and ill, someone with medical training should be on site at the time

It's sickening to see these things happen because it's totally unnecessary. To get the kid off a school bus, the kid probably will not have the same functioning arm again. It would have been so much easier to just leave him on the bus and the bus driver just do his job until shift ends, he's gonna get hungry and impatient eventually.

So all odds are against the police, but it's not to say that the police will get charged or whatever. They are "the" police, and in the states, they can kill someone on duty and have a pretty high percent chance of fighting it off. Unnecessary is all I have to say.
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You don't have to be "charged" or "arrested" to have to be subdued by police.
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It's sickening to see these things happen because it's totally unnecessary. To get the kid off a school bus, the kid probably will not have the same functioning arm again. It would have been so much easier to just leave him on the bus and the bus driver just do his job until shift ends, he's gonna get hungry and impatient eventually.

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Police were called after the driver said he felt he could not safely transport Gocheski to school at Parsons Child and Family Center, "based on threats that the student made in an aggressive manner," police said in the release
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lol..alot of the quotes on the first page talk as if the cops try to break the kids arm...realistically, prob not their intention...im sure they just want to get this WOW kid off the bus and go home themselves. Just because the story leads off with abunch of diagnosed mental illnesses you guys drop your guard and let the kid/family play victim. But im not trying to disregard any level of severity of his "conditions" but if he has a history of being violent and dropping threats...don't forget kids bring guns to school and shoot the places up -- especially the 'mental' ones....
I think the police are right...as much as the broken (or dislocated?) arm is unfortunate it I guess it can happen.
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