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Old 02-07-2014, 02:39 AM   #1
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Jacob Gocheski resides in Rotterdam, New York, near Albany. The 16-year-old has been diagnosed with Tourette syndrome, anxiety, bipolar and pervasive developmental disorder.
When he refused to leave his school bus on the way home, two police officers were called. They picked Gocheski up and twisted his arm, when he insisted not to leave the bus. On the security video, released earlier this week, the sound of Gocheski’s bones cracking after being violently twisted by the officers can be clearly heard. Johanna Fernandez, a professor at Baruch College of the City University of New York, says that violent incidents like these are on the rise throughout the United States. Fernandez commented that despite continuing brutality, many people throughout the US still hold illusions about the role of the police. The university professor also believes that the rise of police violence and brutality has systemic roots. Despite having his arm broken, Jacob Gocheski now faces a criminal charge of "obstructing a government proceeding." His parents have filed a lawsuit on their son's behalf against the police officers involved.
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They clearly weren't trained to handle mentally disabled children. In this case, they should have called an ambulance to sedate him first or something.

Just a dumb mistake/oversight resulting in someone getting hurt. Sucks but it's not a big story.
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So if this was your child and an officer breaks his arm, your reaction would be... "oh that sucks, better luck training next time police"...?

and the cheery on the top is him being charged for being mentally disabled!
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I'd be pretty mad that the cops tried to handle a situation that they weren't prepared for, yeah... so?
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Who knew common sense needed to be trained... but in reality its more like the police are trained to brutalize to the maximum force.
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It's not common sense necessarily... If it was any other kid, they either would have complied to verbal requests, or would have complied to having their arm cranked. This kid was mentally ill so did neither... if you have ever been shoulder locked like that, it HURTS. Usually you lay down on your stomach or just give up. This kid just sat there until his arm got dislocated...

There are people who are trained specifically for handling this type of person. If it was all just "common sense" this wouldn't be necessary.
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To be fair...that kid did act completely normal after shit hit the fan. I don't think the officers meant to break his arm, but they should be responsible for the medical fees (cause US health care) .
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Common sense in my world, Im 140 pounds, would be to lift the child over my shoulders and out of the bus. In a police state where the officers are trained to terrorize citizens, then yes, brutalizing people is common sense.
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police? shouldnt a caregiver/teacher have handled it? and if that doesnt work call a parent
police in NA these days pretty much only know how to use force
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properly trained or not, but that was a HUGE motion/force used by the police officer. Did you see how high of a rotation he used to bend in the arm? That's insane! This isn't a matter of not being trained, it's the matter of this particular officer didn't give a shit about the people he serves and just wanted to force the situation, ie. unsuitable to be an officer. He just carries on after the arm break as if nothing's happen...
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Police were called after the driver said he felt he could not safely transport Gocheski to school at Parsons Child and Family Center, "based on threats that the student made in an aggressive manner," police said in the release.

The video showed Gocheski's brother, another teenager and a female aide sitting in their seats during the 15-minute discussion as the police conferred with Gocheski's mother.

"I haven't seen him quite this defiant in quite a long time," a woman believed to be the mother was heard to say from outside the bus, captured by the bus video camera.

The two cops waited on the bus for an ambulance to arrive to take the teenager to Ellis Hospital for a mental health evaluation.

That plan was verbally approved by the woman believed to be Gocheski's mother.

Ryan tried to engage Gocheski, who sat in silence, with his head down. "What are we going to do here?" Ryan asked. "You can either walk off the bus, or we can drag you off the bus, strap you on a stretcher and take you to Ellis Hospital. You can walk off the bus like a young man or we can hog-tie you."

Ryan added, "You're making all these other kids late for school."

"I don't give a (expletive). I don't give a (expletive)," Gocheski said.

"If we have to fight, someone might get hurt," Armstrong said.
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The kid, albeit with mental health issues, made threats, so that's why the police were called. Paramedics where called and it appears the mother was there as this incident happened in the driveway of the kid's parents home and the mother approved of the plan for officers to physically remove him from the bus.

Bottom line is the kid made threats and ignored multiple verbal commands from his mother, bus driver and police officers, so he had to be physically removed from the bus. Even if paramedics or a doctor where to sedate the kid first, proper protocol would require the officers to restrain the kid first before a paramedic/doctor would give the kid a sedative, for the paramedic/doctors safety.

It's unfortunate the kid's arm got broken in the process, but the officers weren't wrong to physically remove him and restrain him. The only thing I might change here is not charging the kid with a misdemeanor and perhaps a different angle on applying the arm lock.
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There were other ways of bringing that 16 year old child out, like dragging him by the feet, pulling him by the hair, kicking the child, using batons, mase, a bean bag gun...
but no, yours and the officers assessment of danger are so great, that breaking his arm here was justified.

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The only way to stop these incidents is to have an eye for an eye justice carried out, then the rest of the police officers would think twice about breaking peoples (specially kids and womens arms as other videos can found on YouTube) bones.
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thank god at least camera was there...otherwise cops would've made random stories
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There were other ways of bringing that 16 year old child out, like dragging him by the feet, pulling him by the hair, kicking the child, using batons, mase, a bean bag gun...
but no, yours and the officers assessment of danger are so great, that breaking his arm here was justified.

"The kid made threats, I feel endangered!"

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The only way to stop these incidents is to have an eye for an eye justice carried out, then the rest of the police officers would think twice about breaking peoples (specially kids and womens arms as other videos can found on YouTube) bones.

^totally agreed

you should join the police force, there's clearly a need for people with your common sense. you wont help any kids ranting about it, time for you to go out there and make a difference.
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I kinda have to agree wit CIC here.

the officers were not trained to deal with retarded people but it's not that hard to figure out. I mean, the officers are police officers that represent the government. They shouldn't be retards themselves. Lol what happened to officers of the law being upheld to a higher standard?

But part of me doesn't blame them, because some people really are stupid. they take their training literally and dont have the ability to adjust and adjust their aggressiveness when given the discretion.

like CIC says, hes 140, he woulda picked the kid up.
these cops look like 200lbs+ meatbags. they coulda EASILY just carried the kid out. especially when there were more than 1 of them.

this isnt even the worst part.... the worst part is there will be no training given, and this scenario will be repeated many times because the "cops did nothing wrong".
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the kid didnt tap out, that's why the cops broke the arm.

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do you really need training to move an unarmed fat kid? mental disabilities aside if it was just a normal pouting fat kid... they woulda broken his arm all the same. only kind of training i can see needed is so to prevent any emotional trauma
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There were other ways of bringing that 16 year old child out, like dragging him by the feet, pulling him by the hair, kicking the child, using batons, mase, a bean bag gun...
but no, yours and the officers assessment of danger are so great, that breaking his arm here was justified.

Uh, i would rather choose an arm lock (with the risk of breaking an arm) 10 times out of 10 instead of any of the alternatives you just listed as preferable.
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^totally agreed

you should join the police force, there's clearly a need for people with your common sense. you wont help any kids ranting about it, time for you to go out there and make a difference.
You know a policing service is needed in the Americas for people who have minor problems and disputes but would be too afraid of calling the police in fear of having a psycho show up and brutalize people.
I would call it Charles in Charge a big brother to help people in need... with a $50 fee.
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properly trained or not, but that was a HUGE motion/force used by the police officer. Did you see how high of a rotation he used to bend in the arm? That's insane! This isn't a matter of not being trained, it's the matter of this particular officer didn't give a shit about the people he serves and just wanted to force the situation, ie. unsuitable to be an officer. He just carries on after the arm break as if nothing's happen...
i agree the rotation is nuts. every body is different in terms of flexibility but it's not difficult to push to the person's limit or a little more for compliance. it looks like this cop was going for it.

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So if this was your child and an officer breaks his arm, your reaction would be... "oh that sucks, better luck training next time police"...?

and the cheery on the top is him being charged for being mentally disabled!
no, if this was my child i'd be up in arms trying to get some compensation or punishment for the officers involved.... BUT this is NOT my kid, so i think for the general public a "oh that sucks, let's try to better train our officers so this does not occur again in the future" attitude makes alot of sense

could you imagine if everybody acted like this was their own kid? there'd be a mob tearing the officers to pieces by now

honestly, these stories get more attention than they're worth. Nobody agrees with what the officers did, but fear-mongering the public of police brutality is a little far
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