I was so pissed off at the guys @ Regency Toyota because there was no option available to wrap the dash in sting ray or crocodile skin. And the shift knob, holy, don't even. I wanted it to be ivory, straight from an elephant from Chad or Cameroon. Idiots there couldn't even accommodate that.

I can assure you the folks at Toyota Canada are very upset in receiving my customer feedback form, which I so carefully submitted to them via Home | Scion Canada.

carefully submitted? not in haste? you sure?

Test drove an 07 cayman s in auto (yah, yah...) late last yr. Hands down the handling is phenomenal. Power delivery was surprisingly good. Granted I dont drive a lot of super cars but ive been in the car industry for 14 yrs. Almost bought it if it wasnt for some other guy that walked in and paid over asking price....needless to say I was kinda choked..lol
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What about the Genesis Coupe :troll:

Good video on the GT86 vs used Cayman S vs 370z

As a FRS owner I do plan to own a Cayman down the line as it does everything the FRS does but better all while being quiet and having much more potential

That being said I can't afford the upkeep of a Porsche so I threw a turbo on my FRS to keep me happy for now

The biggest thing tho is for how cheap the FRS is we are comparing it to a car way out of its class. This IMO speaks volumes about how good the platform is however I do agree the FRS isn't for the mass market these days as 200hp in mordern times is laughable

Go talk to GolfRSI (aka Driving Vancouver). He owns a BRZ as a DD now, and used to own a Cayman.

http://www.revscene.net/forums/68605...couver-ca.html

He did do a video that somewhat compares the BRZ to the E90 M3 and Cayman.

Reading others' statements about how the FR-S is "underpowered" bewilders me.

Remember the DC2 Integra Type R? How about the RSX Type S? Remember how they felt? Well, their numbers are about 0.17 hp/kg and 0.16 hp/kg, respectively.

The FR-S has a nearly identical 0.16 hp/kg rating, and a greater lb/ft of torque per kg than both those cars. Oh, and that power comes at the same astronomical reading on the tachometer as the others.

I've driven all three cars on a number of occasions and can safely say that at least in terms seat-of-the-pants power, they are practically equal.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that the Type R and Type S are underpowered, and so wonder where you monkeys get the idea that the FR-S is underpowered. Unless your daily driver is an Italian exotic.

Get the FR-S and drive the absolute balls off of it!!!

Turbocharging is great, but I don't think strapping a turbo to a FR-S can match the overall polished, balance, togetherness feel of the more powerful NA Cayman.

The lack of power really annoys you driving around town. But once you rip her down a mountain road or hit the track, you tend to forget its lack of power... until you get smoked by another car. The DC2/ RSX-S don't feel as underpowered because of the engine. This boxer units got a terrible torque dip right around 3500rpm and the top end is nothing as ferocious as those Honda motors.

Still I think the Cayman is a better all rounder car on and off the track, the FR-S is like a watered down, tamer, cheaper, easier S2000 if that make any sense. To be honest, sometimes I wish Toyota would sell the FR-S under Lexus, they can charge more and offer more power, refinement and I can live with the increased price no problem.

This is a car you have to beat around, drive the balls off to fall in love with.

The FR-S looks awesome, the Cayman just looks like a baby Porsche that a rich asshole would buy for his 16 year old daughter

I understand the dip you're referring to. The Type S' torque curve is relatively linear.

If you look at the torque curve of the ITR, however, it does the same thing as the FR-S' - a dip occurs at about 3500rpm. I suppose the difference here is that the ITR experiences only about a 10% drop in power, whereas the FR-S loses about 15%.

Yet, does that make much of a difference? Power is returned 1000rpm later in the FR-S whereas the ITR needs an additional 1000rpm. Given, torque continues to increase from that point on in the ITR whereas it remains flat for the FR-S.

Little nuances aside, the numbers suggest that the "feel" of these cars should be practically identical. Or maybe I just need some thinner underwear.

...And what years were the DC2's and the RSX Type S' manufactured? Same power ratio today as 1998 (for the ITR) doesn't cut it anymore...

^ Point taken. Time definitely affects our judgement of what is "fast" or "powerful".

But the time needed for that change is long. Not 10 years long. More like 30 years long.

As well, compare those ratios to that of most other automobiles over the same time span. I'm sure you'll find things in the past 15 years have only been met with minor increases.

Some things will always remain the same. 50 years ago, benching 500lbs was a tremendous feat. I'll bet in another 50 years, it will remain a tremendous feat.

You can't compare it to benching IMHO.

Technology changes..

Well yeah, because cars evolve about a billion times faster than humans...

do you even lift?

I'm a proponent of buying new. I realize there are a lot of great cars to be had used but I'm always wary of anything that's out of warranty and the unknown that surrounds how previous owners drove/treated their cars. Plus there's the joy of having something new :)

So if it were me i'd go the frs/brz

you could say i like my cars like i like my women ;)

Listen carefully....did you hear that? That was you missing my point.

you know, a new camry does 0-60 faster than an FRS.

haha your point?



Faster 1/4 mile time than muscle cars too


2012 Toyota Camry V6 does 0-60 mph in 5.7s

The 2011 Cayman he wants does it in 5.4s

What you really proved is sedan these days are packing huge power

pretty pointless IMO unless its all you care about

you would be surprised at how reliable a Cayman is. and even more surprised at how inexpensive aftermarket warranties are for Porsches.
Easycare covers German cars pretty well.

I think you proved my point about technology changing.. and consumer expectations over time.

and ironic post considering aren't you putting a turbo in yours? :hotbaby:

Sorry to go off on a slight tangent, but what other aftermarket warranty companies would you suggest that offer coverage in Canada?

Feel free to PM me if you would like, thanks.

I agree with your point about tech but I thought just saying a Camry is faster than a FRS and leaving it at that is kinda silly considering the Camry is pretty fast for what it is. Hell one of those vids is a older Camry beating a newer Camaro. Also the spec you choose is a tad unfair imo as the FRS has to hit 3rd gear to hit 60mph which is not the case with the Camry.

Not sure what's ironic about the post as I agree the FRS is slow. I put a turbo in mine because its depressing being able to pass someone in the corners then they passing you on a straight away. :heckno: I think I prob would of been fine NA if I just did autox but I really want to track more. (I know should of sc but turbo is more gas friendly lol)

My point is just Camry is sleeper beast lol