No, i don't think i did... you were comparing the speed of HUMAN evolution to the speed of technological evolution... The fact that a human doesn't noticeably evolve over 100 years ("benching 500lbs 50 years ago and in 50 years still impressive") yet imagine where cars were 50 years ago...

PMed you.

wasn't the Cayman S the benchmark for the 86?
if it were me i'd go for 86 over Cayman when considering value
but if you got the cash I would think Cayman S is the better choice...only experienced them on streets not track tho

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...4&d=1339686816
FRS Test Drive from Cayman S / Exige Owners Perspective *WITH PICS* - Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 GT 86 Forum | AS1 Forum - FT86CLUB
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warning don't watch this or your wallet will....take a blow down the road

To the OP,

It really depends what you want. Do you really care about the Quantitative Stuff like 0-60 and 1/4miles? If you do, then the FRS/BRZ is not for you. No doubt, compared to modern cars, the FRS is slow. However, going fast in a straight line is not the point of the FRS/BRZ. It is the sensation and the experience that the car will give you when you go through back country roads etc etc. The best part is, you don't have to reach insane speeds to hit the limit of the car.

To me, it is more fun driving a slow car fast than a fast car slow.

We're not comparing the FRS/BRZ to a muscle car though. We are comparing it to a Porsche.

While that may be true, the cayman isn't a fast car, nor is it incredibly unfriendly to a novice driver. We aren't comparing an FR-S to a 993 gt2 here.

Its underpowered because the 86 chassis could take a more powerful engine without being overwhelm. Try putting a 300HP engine in a DC2 or DC5, they both will drive like shit without proper suspension and chassis tuning. But the 86 will still feel great with a better set of tires.

I've driven Stock, Turbo, and Supercharged 86, so far I feel that the bolt on supercharger ones (around 250HP) feels the best in terms of power and daily drivability.

For the comparison with Cayman and the 86, the Cayman is hands down a much better car than the 86. I originally was gonna get a 86 to replace my Cayman S as a daily driver. It felt like a big downgrade IMO. Despite the 86 being a great car to drive. the Cayman is still the greater car. The 86 is still just a Toyota, Porsche do not downgrade its build quality just because the Cayman is a cheaper porsche, the fit and finish is exact same as a 911. Also, I think its pretty good on gas for a car like this!

In the end, it's only a Cayman.

Maybe it's just me, but if I were to spend a lot of money on cars, I want to stand out. I know some of you like sleepers and whatnot, but to me, Cayman is nothing special. I see them on the road everyday. It's not a head turner.

Frankly, I think FRS and BRZ catch more eyes than Cayman.

Absolutely. Toyota/Subaru > Porsche

:fuckthatshit:

^Someone has too much money to spend. lol

Lol, it's just you!

Money can make a Cayman look nice as well!

http://static.cargurus.com/images/si...pic-30903.jpeg
http://cdn.sub5zero.com/wp-content/u..._exterior2.jpg

Having driven some of the cars mentioned in this thread - Cayman S, S2000, 135i, and FR-S, on a pure smiles per dollar basis it's extremely hard to beat the FR-S. IMO, if it is a daiiy driven car, in Vancouver's crazy rainy climate and I'm spending my own money, I'd rank them:

FR-S
135i
S2000
Cayman

I guess I'm in the relative minority that found the Cayman relatively underwhelming. Perhaps in context to the 911 it is a more compelling driver's car, but dollar for dollar I expected more in light of the fact a Cayman S stickers for a base price north of $70k.

Kev

I'm not talking about modded ones.. like most ones that I see on the street are something like these

http://www.performance-car-guide.co....e-Cayman-3.jpg
http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/...697500x375.jpg

Anibal Automotive - Canadian Porsche Tuner


http://www14.0zz0.com/2012/04/07/07/388000354.jpg
http://cimg.carsforsale.com/341677/2...F3CC77DF_1.jpg
http://img.modifiedcars.com/c/4/116/46166_330051.jpg
http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/gokuhamu/...4/24cd4961.jpg
http://www.cargym.com/images/Anibal_Cayman_RUSH_2.JPG
http://www.benzboost.com/images/impo...43004225-1.jpg

^ I've seen worse, but also much, much better...

I don't want to know how much Bondo those porches have & how long it'll last in the next 10 years. :heckno:.


either one...you'll be stuck in traffic with the rest of us. :concentrate:

Yeah, I've search around and looked around and apparently I met a group of Lamborgini and Ferrari plus a few Aston Martin hang out few days ago. Just by eyes, toyota cars even G37 (sorry to owners of G37 here) looks unattractive. Well, I love G37 and wanted to have one before.

Seeing many people said that Porsche especially the cayman has a good reliability, I think I will search a good used one and hopefully get it. The reason I'm going a used Cayman compare to the brand new one is of course saving some money for future maintenance and mods *cough*. I definitely love the new model but the older model will also do.

The aspects that I consider when choosing this weekend car are handling, fun to drive and power. Power comes last because I feel 200 bhp is okay in here but handling is definitely a deal breaker. I drive 2.0L CRV (a freaking slow Snail Utility Vehicle) usually 120-140 kph on highway but that with slow acceleration of course, oh in AT too. That's why I wanna get a weekend car which I can just have fun.

Sorry I don't consider BMW because of the maintenance issue. Just can't handle it. My MB is still better on reliability but still not the best, but BMW is demanding more. Plus... they face lifted their cars so quickly that makes my brand new car looks old in 2-3 years. I feel Porsche is like Pierce Brosnan (I'm not gay), looks better when it's older (become classics). If I have more money, I would look for 1960-70 911, 991 or other porsche IF it's available here which might not.

If you have to tell people that, i have bad news for you.

:gay:

I would never own a pre 09 Cayman due the fact they have troublesome intermediate shaft. Big $$$ to fix and the problem tend to surface at low km.

I've heard about that. Same thing for 997 911s apparently (05 to 09). Some sort of bearing fails in the engine.

Isn't an oil change around $500 @ the Porsche dealer?

Probable. Mine is a grand from Audi. High end sports cars are not cheap to maintain.

^ What do you drive that costs $1000 for an oil change, an R8?