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Old 04-06-2014, 03:00 PM   #51
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7% on Urbanspoon and still plummeting. It's over lol.
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This business got destroyed over a few bucks, ouch. Some old school business owners have no clue how powerful social media has become. It can either make you or break you.
His business didn't get destroyed. His reputation on a couple web pages that most of their customers probably don't even visit was destroyed. People who dine at this restaurant and have had good service/food aren't likely to stop going because of a couple whiners online (not calling the OP a whiner). I doubt this will have any effect on his business at all, except for a slight drop in business for a few days while this is "news".

I said the same thing in the thread a couple months back about the car dealer that crashed the Camaro. They're still in business and doing great despite a ridiculous amount of bad publicity. I'm sure many here remember that story, but until I brought it up did you ever think about them at all? Probably not. This will blow over in no time.
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6% approval on Urbanspoon. Giardino is going down!

OP, get Ms. Steele on your side. Get CTV to put this dive in the news.

Put some heat on this pizzeria.
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7% on Urbanspoon and still plummeting. It's over lol.
If people actually paid attention to online reviews, that is. Nobody trusts those sites because of the huge number of fake reviews (good and bad). I only try new places based on recommendations from people I know or reviews in local media (for example, The Province or the Golden Plate Awards or even RS).
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Old 04-06-2014, 03:32 PM   #57
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Lol @ the province or any print media for "honest" reviews.

The bottom line is negativity surrounding any business especially a restaurant is never good and stuff like online reviews and posts like this one float around the internet forever.

And I do google restaurants and read reviews before heading out, yes you should take some of the reviews with a grain of salt but most reviews and ranks are pretty accurate.
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I'll go there next time I'm in North Van and give ya'll a review
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I'll join you! Pizza's actually look pretty good
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Urbanspoon is at 7% now. holy shit Ive never seen such a low number on Urbanspoon lol
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Social media frenzy is just modern day witch hunt. Pay $2000 and get a million likes or make a mistake and in the gutter you go. People don't give you chance for redemption and automatically arrives at the worst-case scenario.
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Social media frenzy is just modern day witch hunt. Pay $2000 and get a million likes or make a mistake and in the gutter you go. People don't give you chance for redemption and automatically arrives at the worst-case scenario.
This. We don't know both sides of the story, and keyboard warriors are of course jumping to conclusions and making completely biased judgments without bothering to consider the other side.

This reminds me of last week's Mozilla fiasco, where half the interwebs were pushing for the CEO to resign because he had anti-gay views. As if his personal beliefs - i.e, beliefs that he himself had and did not push on any of his employees/company policies - had any impact on how he ran the company. Basically, this guy's life and future career prospects, regardless of his actual intelligence or corporate skill, was completely ruined by a bunch of losers with nothing to do except promote "free" and "equal" views... that is, of course, only if your views align with theirs. Absolutely disgusting.
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Ignoring the 1% tax increase (since that isn't what the issue was here), this is one aspect of social media that I absolutely abhor. The actions of one -- or, apparently two -- employees doesn't represent a company as a whole. And those actions don't necessarily correlate to an owner/management system that should be completely held responsible. You can interview and hire employees that appear to be the best prospects for the job, yet six months down the road they may find themselves needing money and attempt to swindle the owner or customers. It doesn't mean the owner is at fault here. It also doesn't mean that faceless keyboard warriors have the right to post fake reviews and otherwise attempt to bring down a business solely because of a single employee's actions. There's always going to be a bad apple or two at any store or restaurant; it doesn't mean the owner's lively hood should suffer for it.



And, no... I don't have any association with either party involved.
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This. We don't know both sides of the story, and keyboard warriors are of course jumping to conclusions and making completely biased judgments without bothering to consider the other side.

This reminds me of last week's Mozilla fiasco, where half the interwebs were pushing for the CEO to resign because he had anti-gay views. As if his personal beliefs - i.e, beliefs that he himself had and did not push on any of his employees/company policies - had any impact on how he ran the company. Basically, this guy's life and future career prospects, regardless of his actual intelligence or corporate skill, was completely ruined by a bunch of losers with nothing to do except promote "free" and "equal" views... that is, of course, only if your views align with theirs. Absolutely disgusting.
Not to go off topic here, but the Mozilla thing is not just disgusting but totally reckless. It sets a very dangerous precedent for corporate America. It's funny how economists think we humans are rational decision makers. As individual maybe, but in a group I don't believe so.
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Not to go off topic here, but the Mozilla thing is not just disgusting but totally reckless. It sets a very dangerous precedent for corporate America. It's funny how economists think we humans are rational decision makers. As individual maybe, but in a group I don't believe so.
It's like religion in the government. I don't care if you're Christian, Muslim, Atheist, or whatever; so long as you keep your personal opinions and beliefs outside of work, and you happen to be an excellent [insert position here], you should be allowed to stay in that position. If you start trying to push your own agenda upon your employees, then we should be able to start looking at replacing you. Otherwise, no.
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Two sides of each story... yet they(ownership) haven't come out and said anything to discredit the story. If the truth was being bent, the person being "framed", in this cause the restaurant should/would quickly respond and give their side of the story IMHO, but the damage has been done anyways

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The guy knew exactly what he was doing, he intentionally did not give me back the proper change and then the manager was standing right there and she saw everything and joined him in laughing at me knowing full well there was nothing i could do about it, Jeremy you are right there is always 2 sides but i am not misconstruing the truth here in any way, i even left out some stuff that would've condemned them. I don't want these people harassed or threatened, that is not right. But this guy did know what had happened with the change at the till right in front of his face, you would have to be pretty daft to think otherwise

immediately Jeremy I have a billfold wallet that just holds the bills it was open in front of his face on the till counter as i was putting it in i noticed it was only 2 5s, my wallet did not even close and said to him right there i didnt walk away i didnt go anywhere and when i asked him if he had security cameras after he denied me proper change he laughed and said no

I am a he and the manager is the owners daughter. The guy was either a brother or boyfriend it seemed. They were well organized with each other on this and it does not matter what the people look like, these 2 made a decision to follow thru with shortchanging me $30 and they made a mistake as humans do, but they knew full well they were doing it, now it seems there are repercussions to their actions, I think they thought they had me completely defeated, I just do not understand why they would try to do this to a patron of their restaurant. What I wrote is as close to the truth as it gets, I did not want to put anything un-thruthful or slanderous towards these people. Also I would like to ask everyone to please NOT harass or threaten these people, nobody deserves that over $30.
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This is so stupid ruining someones life work over one FB post or one bad employee. I called the place but no one is picking up and the mail box is full. I wold like the FB poster to post on here and answer a few questions. I'm working right now but does anyone want to call the North Van police and ask if there were there?
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I personally hate this form of social media justice when it isn't clear what the whole story is. Perhaps it was just a couple late night employees like another member mentioned, perhaps the owner isn't even aware yet..maybe the owner has a family to feed and people are destroying his only source of income, or perhaps the story is true and the owner is a scammer..who knows. Either way, I don't get why people find it funny to leave hateful msgs on their fb and are so eager to destroy a business.
Right and after reading all the comments of FB or the reviews on UB the owner decided to do nothing and let it get worse.

If you were the owner and it was just a bad eomployee would you try to let everyone know? I would for sure.

The owner have time to correct this but seeing how he or she isn't doing anything I have a feeling this is true and it was the owner or relatives that did this.
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Ignoring the 1% tax increase (since that isn't what the issue was here), this is one aspect of social media that I absolutely abhor. The actions of one -- or, apparently two -- employees doesn't represent a company as a whole. And those actions don't necessarily correlate to an owner/management system that should be completely held responsible. You can interview and hire employees that appear to be the best prospects for the job, yet six months down the road they may find themselves needing money and attempt to swindle the owner or customers. It doesn't mean the owner is at fault here. It also doesn't mean that faceless keyboard warriors have the right to post fake reviews and otherwise attempt to bring down a business solely because of a single employee's actions. There's always going to be a bad apple or two at any store or restaurant; it doesn't mean the owner's lively hood should suffer for it.



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What would you do as the owner if it is just one or two bad empolyee? Wouldn't you post on your FB to explain the whole story (your side of the story) and take the right action ie fire the eomplyee in question.

Instead we have no heard anything from the owner or his side of the story. Wouldn't he try to do some damage control to his business if the story is not true?
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Instead we have no heard anything from the owner or his side of the story. Wouldn't he try to do some damage control to his business if the story is not true?
Good feeling they'll just get further bashed on if they did. Lol.
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What would you do as the owner if it is just one or two bad empolyee? Wouldn't you post on your FB to explain the whole story (your side of the story) and take the right action ie fire the eomplyee in question.

Instead we have no heard anything from the owner or his side of the story. Wouldn't he try to do some damage control to his business if the story is not true?
The owner may not be aware of the situation or may not even run their own FB page. It could fall under the responsibility of someone else within the company (perhaps the alleged owner's manager-daughter who was also involved?).

Just saying that not everything is easily dealt with.
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I hope they're looking into hiring the best PR company they can right about now.
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