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Old 04-07-2014, 04:04 PM   #126
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I wonder how many people are gonna go "check it out" now... I know i'm gonna!
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I wonder how many people are gonna go "check it out" now... I know i'm gonna!
I live in north van and have previously been to Giordanos, and the food is actually decent for the price...
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I live in north van and have previously been to Giordanos, and the food is actually decent for the price...
So you wouldn't mind paying $37 for a sandwich from Giordanos?
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I live in north van and have previously been to Giordanos, and the food is actually decent for the price...
The $7 price, or the $37 price?

So having browsed this whole thread now, a few things occur to me:

1. Is it possible these are two "rogue" employees scamming people on the night shift without the owner knowing? Totally. If so though, it's highly unlikely OP's friend was their first mark, and they've probably been doing it for quite a while without being caught.

2. If they WERE repeat offenders, and had half a brain, they would have claimed an "error" as soon as the customer pointed it out, and made good on the proper change. That would leave them free to continue scamming anyone who pockets their change without noticing. However, as we all know, it doesn't take any amount of brains to be a crook...

3. If they actually were scamming, then calling the cops themselves means they're either really stupid, or really arrogant, or both.

4. Whether "the customer is right" or not, I wouldn't be surprised if CRA already has a full-scale audit underway over that 6% tax. 1% may only amount to about $3G a year, but when it comes to fraud, the amount doesn't matter to government agencies at all: on top of them auditing the business's entire history (which is a major headache in itself) and possibly expanding into the owner's personal finances, there's likely to be a massive fine imposed, since as long as the taxman is getting his 5%, there's not really anything to "repay" except to the customers they've ripped off.

Say what you will about the effectiveness (or not) or social media trashing like this, IF this is all true (assuming said receipt is not a clever fake or photoshopped), the CRA could destroy the business in a heartbeat, all by themselves.
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It's telling when a small company, single store, takes 3 days to write a "response."

And wasn't it the manager that was part of the scam, aka, owner's daughter? And I agree, very arrogant for them to call on his bluff to bring the cops in. Cops can't really do much, it's a he said she said scenario & civil situation.

These two are definitely...not the sharpest tools in the shed. They are doing a scam that is has likely existed since balancing the books. I agree, when the customer called them out on it, they should have cough'ed up.

The CRA won't necessary destroy them, I mean, the fine will likely be in the 5-6 figure range. It's only been a couple years since the tax change.
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Wonder if they are related to "Il Giardino" that used to be one block off Burrard, that place had crappy service
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I have given back the wrong change to a customer sometimes more sometimes less. I have also given back the right change and have had a customer think I gave them back the wrong change. Sometimes they put it in the wrong pocket sometimes we find the bill dropped on the floor or somewhere outside. Also sometimes customers just lie. This witch hunt is B.S.
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Old 04-07-2014, 06:32 PM   #137
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lol this reminds me of that seinfeld episode where George got shortchanged on the bill he drew on only to find it in his wallet later on. Honestly no one will ever know. Its basically he said she said.

And why didn't he address the 6% tax?
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i kinda want to check oiut this place now tbh
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How does this work with the CRA exactly?
The business isn't defrauding the CRA are they, since they will likely get their 5% tax. Is that extra 1% of "tax" the business is taking a criminal matter?

Or is it because the business is abusing the tax system, the CRA will go after them?
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How does this work with the CRA exactly?
The business isn't defrauding the CRA are they, since they will likely get their 5% tax. Is that extra 1% of "tax" the business is taking a criminal matter?

Or is it because the business is abusing the tax system, the CRA will go after them?
It's fraud... and I'm no tax lawyer, but yes, I'd expect it would be considered criminal fraud. If they're taking 6% tax but only submitting 5% to the CRA, that's either going to show on the books as an additional amount of income, or it means they're cooking the books to NOT show the 1%.

Even if it's not considered a criminal offense, it would get CRA questioning the store's bookkeeping, and definitely initiate an audit. Things like incoming not matching receipts (like being over by $30) would set off red flags all over the place. An audit like that is a nightmare for a small business - it ties up the accountant for days or weeks, brings all sorts of third-degree questions for the owner(s)... NOT fun.
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since all this bad publicity shining on this establishment, and "restaurant manager" responding to this backlash, I can suggest to try this place and see what the customer service is like after this blew up on them. I'm sure they will give better service now to win back their customers and patronage before they close shop.
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All this over a pathetic $30?

Is $30 really worth ruining someone's business over when the person behind the counter doesn't even own the business?


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I doubt it's over just $30. If it something like that happened to me for even $10 I would be pissed. I can give 2 shits about $10 but any retard business owner who is unappreciative of customers in this day an age and takes advantage of them deserves to get shut down.

It's like at Mcdonalds when I have cold fries or a shitty burger that only costs 3 bucks. I can just chuck it and go buy food somewhere else but I usually complain. It's not about the money, it's about the principle and unless ppl speak up than shit will never change and they'll keep doing it.
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How does this work with the CRA exactly?
The business isn't defrauding the CRA are they, since they will likely get their 5% tax. Is that extra 1% of "tax" the business is taking a criminal matter?

Or is it because the business is abusing the tax system, the CRA will go after them?
was just talking to a buddy about this. he works at the cra and he said its flat out fraud lol. cant wait to see what happens to this restaurant lol
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Wonder if they are related to "Il Giardino" that used to be one block off Burrard, that place had crappy service
You're comparing a pizza joint to a high class Italian restaurant?
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was just talking to a buddy about this. he works at the cra and he said its flat out fraud lol. cant wait to see what happens to this restaurant lol
Yeah, I forwarded it to my buddy at CRA as well.
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I was expecting a reasonable side to the story from the business but...

The business is charging extra for Tax and has not addressed that at all in their two statements and simply attacked the customer which indicates to me that they're being deceitful and its not simply a mistake

Also we haven't heard from the owners at all and only an unnamed manager, perhaps the same involved in the altercation.

I'm unwilling to trust this managers side of the story at this point due to how they've played it out
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All this over a pathetic $30?

Is $30 really worth ruining someone's business over when the person behind the counter doesn't even own the business?
Again, if they're doing this to one person, they've probably been doing it to a lot of others... this may only be the first time they got caught, or the first time someone actually made a public case out of it, but it's a safe bet it's been going on for quite a while.
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