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Old 07-02-2014, 11:16 PM   #1176
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the entire team underperformed with torts

thats kinda shitty
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I've got no problem, but like I've expressed before, until Somone does what MG did, everyone else is trash comparatively IMO

Obviously a lot of the Lu shit etc was at least partially on ownership, with a bunch of other shit probably on them as well

MG came into van, laid out a plan, and banged it out nearly to a T. He said were gonna build a team that plays up tempo hard forechecking possession hockey backed by a good D

He did exactly that, won two presidents trophies, and was 4 goals away from a cup. Relatively speaking he's by far the best GM we've ever had because when Quin was GM he didn't promise shit, nor did he build the "best" team, he got lucky and the team over preformed.
Let's get something straight here, MG inherited that team. The core was in their prime and the coach he also inherited.

Did he do some good things that put us over the top to get to the finals? Yes. Adding Ehrhoff for that steal of a trade was fantastic for the twins. Key signings like Sammuelson was great.

But the thing is MG fucked up more then he did good. Letting Ehrhoff walk instead of Bieksa, trading for Ballard and Booth, that Sturm fiasco and that whole Hodgson mess. He almost let the twins walk as UFA's that year he got hired stating on radio "I'm not sure they're the core guys we want to build around". If they walked I guarantee you that finals run would never have happened and MG would have been gone a lot sooner.
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For what we pay Burrows and last season aside, he's reliable and consistent. I'd like him to stay. He had one bad season production wise and it was plagued with injuries. I'll let it go for now.
I agree, that's why I said "if anything"... as in, if he's not going to play for the Canucks, it won't be because he was traded. He's not a liability but at the same time, I don't see why anyone would be interested in him right now.
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If it's true benning asked burr to waive his ntc, I hope that won't affect burrows commitment to the team. Not a superstar, but does everything and play with heart and grit each game, I think he's actually one of the better bang for the buck player on the team.
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I still can't fucking believe that Higgins and Hansen both got limited/modified NTC
another gillis turd move. Both making $2.5M as third liners too.
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If it's true benning asked burr to waive his ntc, I hope that won't affect burrows commitment to the team. Not a superstar, but does everything and play with heart and grit each game, I think he's actually one of the better bang for the buck player on the team.
judging from all the plugs that got over $4M+ yesterday during UFA, Burrow's contract is a steal now.
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judging from all the plugs that got over $4M+ yesterday during UFA, Burrow's contract is a steal now.
It's a steal if he can go back to his 20 goals 50 pt days. If he continues his poor form from last year, that contract is a mess.
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Burrows should stay just because of the 4 years $2 million contract he had before.

I believe Burrows will come back strong next season. Last year was just shitty for him with all the injuries...

As for tanking to "rebuild", that shit never works, you always need to have a winning attitude and don't end up being the oilers.

Look at Anaheim, after Pronger/Neidermeyer left, after their cup win, they missed the playoffs during those times, they restock with prospects, develop them, and they are there to challenge again. Did they tank?

Look at Detroit, similar style, kept their old guys in Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Now they don't need Bertuzzi and Alfredsson cuz their kids can come and play. Did they tank?

They all took their time with their prospects. Let them slowly learn the game and how to be a professional. That's why Benning is signing all these guys, so players compete for spots. Kassian needs to fight for top 6 mins. Horvat needs to fight to get on the team. Same with everyone else. Remember that one season where Colorado tanked like crazy, and I think it was Giguere who said some ppl (referring to younger crowd) were more excited to go to their "Vegas" trip than thinking about ending their season on a winning streak. That's the crap you don't want on the team.
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Burrows should stay just because of the 4 years $2 million contract he had before.

I believe Burrows will come back strong next season. Last year was just shitty for him with all the injuries...

As for tanking to "rebuild", that shit never works, you always need to have a winning attitude and don't end up being the oilers.

Look at Anaheim, after Pronger/Neidermeyer left, after their cup win, they missed the playoffs during those times, they restock with prospects, develop them, and they are there to challenge again. Did they tank?

Look at Detroit, similar style, kept their old guys in Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Now they don't need Bertuzzi and Alfredsson cuz their kids can come and play. Did they tank?

They all took their time with their prospects. Let them slowly learn the game and how to be a professional. That's why Benning is signing all these guys, so players compete for spots. Kassian needs to fight for top 6 mins. Horvat needs to fight to get on the team. Same with everyone else. Remember that one season where Colorado tanked like crazy, and I think it was Giguere who said some ppl (referring to younger crowd) were more excited to go to their "Vegas" trip than thinking about ending their season on a winning streak. That's the crap you don't want on the team.

Werd. Honestly, Burrows is the only player in the team that still "contributes" wether he's scoring or not; and that's why for better or for worse, he's still one of the fan favourites.

I know with that kind of price tag, people only measure value with one metric, but at least when that metric is not satisfied, he can at least give a lot in consolation.

Let's take a look at the Sedins in comparison. When they're not scoring or registering points, what else is that $6M buying you? Defense? Forechecking? Digging up loose pucks? Goalie screen? Penalty Killing? No, nada. And honestly, I'm in the camp that believes a huge part of the Sedin's succes is in part because of Burrows' work. Because he's the one that does all of the above.

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Vrbatas contract comes with a ntc of 8 teams

will always remember him as the guy who slashed henrik and ended the iron man steak
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will always remember him as the guy who slashed henrik and ended the iron man steak
I thought it was Hanzal?
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IMO you don't turn your back on a player like Burr due to one poor season. Hopefully he'll bounce back.

Higgins was one of our most consistent players, I hope he stays as well. It seems like every week there is a new witch hunt around here..
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You're right it is Hanzal

Guess Vrbata is good in my books....for now
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So we have 6.7mill in cap left and still have Kass/Tanev/Vey to sign... I kinda want Legwand/Ott as well or take a chance at MDZ IF we had more cap space
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So we have 6.7mill in cap left and still have Kass/Tanev/Vey to sign... I kinda want Legwand/Ott as well or take a chance at MDZ IF we had more cap space

lol we're swimming in bottom six forwards already

i wanna see them sign Kassian and Vey first cus I know their contract will be relatively easy to negotiate.
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Markstroms 1.2m or whatever it is will come off the books. So they have 7.Xm to tinker with. I still think that one more salary dump move is coming
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Looking at contracts handed out this year Tanev will prob get around 4mil, kassian around 2.5mil.. Lots of ppl gonna be pissed if it ends up being burrows that gets dumped, wasn't even given a chance by torts last year
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Tanev's contract is pretty tricky, especially by the way negotiations went last year but $4M is pretty much the maximum worth.

Kassian at $2.5M ... lol maybe but at a short term deal i'd guess at around $2M per give or take $200k

I dunno about Vey, guy put up some pretty solid AHL numbers but no NHL experience so probably gonna be at $1.5 give or take $300k depending on term.
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if you dont think kassian can get 2.5mil when bolland just got 5.5, pouliot got 4 as ufas... then look at what power forward rfas usually recieve, backes 2.5, brown 3.1, berglund 2.1, stewart 2.8, . yea he may not be as good as the first 2 but include inflation and its there
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lol we're swimming in bottom six forwards already

i wanna see them sign Kassian and Vey first cus I know their contract will be relatively easy to negotiate.
haha true that.. I know it's a long shot but imagine if we get another top 6 (like E. Kane)

Sedin/Sedin/Vrbata
Kane/Bonino/Kassian
Higgins/Vey/Burrows
Matthias/Richardson/Dorsett

I'll be happy with that line up.. but we all know Benning hates "me first" players
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Kane has such a good contract lol but the price would be pretty steep. I'd rather we hold on to our picks and prospects.
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How much would it cost to resign Linden Vey?
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Kane has such a good contract lol but the price would be pretty steep. I'd rather we hold on to our picks and prospects.
Kane is worth it.
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