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murd0c 10-05-2014 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jayare604 (Post 8538932)
Judging by our luck with drafting, I don't.

Quote me on that.
That was before Benning took over ;)

dbaz 10-05-2014 04:28 PM
looks like edmonton is going to rush their prospects again. guess the old boys club dont really learn

SumAznGuy 10-05-2014 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dbaz (Post 8538951)
looks like edmonton is going to rush their prospects again. guess the old boys club dont really learn
It worked in the 80's with Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Coffey....
Why shouldn't it work now? :suspicious:

UFO 10-06-2014 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Jmac (Post 8538564)
An NTC is a legally-binding clause in a legal contract. It must be honoured unless the player waives it.
I get that. But so is, you know, the actual contract itself? You don't like the team you're playing for any more, but have 5 years left on your legally binding contract? Please trade me away, but only to the 1 team that I want to play for because my NTC in my legally binding contract says I can do that.

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Originally Posted by Noir (Post 8538566)
To me, it's kinda douchey to reap the benefits of offering an NTC to a player, and then call them out when exercising the NTC you just offered. But then again, I don't really have high expectations for Canuck fans.
NTC's are totally done for cap management reasons. It gives the player some or full control, and the player offers to take a bit less money in return. It's a totally fair process with that in mind.

As an example, what happened to Garrison over the summer was douchey. A different GM yes, but a contract is still a contract. He had the NTC, he had no reason to want to leave the team, the team didn't want him any more and asked him to waive it. He handled it with class, why would any player want to play for a team that didn't want him any more. He could have made a huge deal about it, but he didn't.

But if the player asks/begs to get out of the team he signed the big contract with then pulls the NTC card, I have no problems calling the player out for that.

murd0c 10-06-2014 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SumAznGuy (Post 8538957)
It worked in the 80's with Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Coffey....
Why shouldn't it work now? :suspicious:
The NHL today compared to the 80's is a completely different game.

cow20xx 10-06-2014 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by UFO (Post 8539257)
I get that. But so is, you know, the actual contract itself? You don't like the team you're playing for any more, but have 5 years left on your legally binding contract? Please trade me away, but only to the 1 team that I want to play for because my NTC in my legally binding contract says I can do that.



NTC's are totally done for cap management reasons. It gives the player some or full control, and the player offers to take a bit less money in return. It's a totally fair process with that in mind.

As an example, what happened to Garrison over the summer was douchey. A different GM yes, but a contract is still a contract. He had the NTC, he had no reason to want to leave the team, the team didn't want him any more and asked him to waive it. He handled it with class, why would any player want to play for a team that didn't want him any more. He could have made a huge deal about it, but he didn't.

But if the player asks/begs to get out of the team he signed the big contract with then pulls the NTC card, I have no problems calling the player out for that.

I don't blame players for playing their hands to best of their interest if it's within the rule book.

People shit on players they like for leaving for selling out, for having no loyalty to t the fan base. But does anyone bay an eye for shitty players when they get traded like tokens or waived?
Let's use lebrons 'decision' as an example, owner calling him out and fans trashing him for being a traitor. but did
Now did anyone complain or accuse the cav of being heartless and cruel to the players that were traded or waived for the purpose of clearing cap space in order to sign lebron and Kevin love?

Sure it sucks for the fans when one of your better players decide to leave the team you are cheering for, but chances are the fans are the first one to arm chair gm which players are trash and which players to trade of waive in an blink of an eye

dhari 10-06-2014 09:26 AM
Jensen sent to Utica.

Tim Budong 10-06-2014 09:31 AM
JENSEN sent to Utica

jeedee 10-06-2014 09:33 AM
Horvat sticking with the team then?

If not, so much for having youth on this team........

murd0c 10-06-2014 09:34 AM
with Jensen being sent down no question Horvat is sticking with the team. Is there any word on his injury at all?

UFO 10-06-2014 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by cow20xx (Post 8539280)
I don't blame players for playing their hands to best of their interest if it's within the rule book.

People shit on players they like for leaving for selling out, for having no loyalty to t the fan base. But does anyone bay an eye for shitty players when they get traded like tokens or waived?
Yeah it always goes both ways. Players for the most part seem to understand the sport is a business at the end of the day. Most seem to understand they are pretty lucky to be paid very well for playing a game at the end of the day, even the crappy players. That's a problem with a revenue based salary cap; the star players will always get their money, no question about it. But it's the fringe players and low end plugs that lose out in order to be afford these huge contracts.

When a GM asks a player to waive the NTC, there's no rule saying the player has to say sure, I'll do whatever you ask. But really, what player wants to play on a team that doesn't want them any more? Technically within the 'rule book', they are contractually bound to play for the team that gave them that contract until the contract expires. So really, pouting and asking to be traded because the team sucks or you want to win, isn't really within the rules; at least no more so than a GM asking you to waive your NTC.

jeedee 10-06-2014 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by murd0c (Post 8539289)
with Jensen being sent down no question Horvat is sticking with the team. Is there any word on his injury at all?
His shoulder isn't broken/no broken bones so its just day-to-day for now

highfive 10-06-2014 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jeedee (Post 8539288)
Horvat sticking with the team then?

If not, so much for having youth on this team........
Yep, and ppl are saying that JB can put Horvat in AHL for a conditioning stint as well.

Horvat and Corrado makes the team.

Sucks for Jensen. Just no room for him on the right. Vrbata/Kassian/Hansen/Dorsett. I think it's better to have the kids play in the AHL and play big minutes. Shinkaruk / Reilly / Jensen going to be the top line in Utica.

We did get some youth on the team. Aside from Horvat and Corrado, we have Vey as well.

jeedee 10-06-2014 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by highfive (Post 8539317)
Yep, and ppl are saying that JB can put Horvat in AHL for a conditioning stint as well.
Source? Cause no matter what happens Horvat can't play in the AHL cause of his age. Either he sticks with the Canucks, gets sent back to London or plays in Europe like Jensen did a few years back.

murd0c 10-06-2014 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jeedee (Post 8539320)
Source? Cause no matter what happens Horvat can't play in the AHL cause of his age. Either he sticks with the Canucks, gets sent back to London or plays in Europe like Jensen did a few years back.
Yup exactly, no way he can play in the AHL due to his age.

highfive 10-06-2014 11:11 AM
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Matthew Sekeres ‏@mattsekeres

More @TSNBobMcKenzie: Bo Horvat would need to be out more than 1 week to get an #AHL conditioning stint approved. #Canucks
Not sure how true this info is though.

jerche 10-06-2014 02:19 PM

Ch28 10-06-2014 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by highfive (Post 8539338)
Not sure how true this info is though.
Anything that comes from Bob MacKenzie is pretty much gold.

dbaz 10-06-2014 03:04 PM
he can go to the ahl on a conditioning stint, but its not like they can store him in the ahl for the year because of the stint. 14 days max.

What Exactly is a Conditioning Assignment, Anyway? - On the Forecheck

slicrick 10-06-2014 04:48 PM

6o4__boi 10-07-2014 09:47 AM
fyi for rogers subscribers

i believe the gamecentre app is released today and the free period starts until Dec 31, 2014

gonna check it out when i'm home from work later

radioman 10-07-2014 10:01 AM
On the rogers nhl page says Oct 8th. They have a little countdown timer.

Will def install it tomorrow and check it out.

6o4__boi 10-07-2014 10:17 AM
ahhh...i see.
is it to be downloaded from rogers or from playstore/appstore?

radioman 10-07-2014 10:21 AM
Through the playstore/app store

http://www.gamecentrelive.rogers.com/

When you give your rogers account info there will be a link to both stores once it goes live.

Ch28 10-07-2014 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by radioman (Post 8539910)
Through the playstore/app store

http://www.gamecentrelive.rogers.com/

When you give your rogers account info there will be a link to both stores once it goes live.
I linked my account and said "Account not eligible" wtf


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