Raising Min. Wage to $15

[Godzira]

Originally Posted by freakshow

This is completely incorrect. Working harder does demand more pay, if for nothing else, simply because of supply and demand. If there are two jobs that require the same mental skill, but one is hugely demanding on the body, an easy majority of people will choose the less demanding one if they pay the same. So hard, physical labour jobs do deserve more pay according to what the market bares.

Agreed. I just think that if minimum wage increases so should labourers wage and everyone elses lol. but its not a perfect world. when I started in the trade I made $15/hr and worked my ass off! I would come home exhausted every day but at the same time I didn't care I loved my job and it got my foot in the door I didn't mind starting out at that knowing it wasn't a dead end job.

[multicartual]

Anyone been to Mundy park in Coquitlam?


Back like 18 years ago, I helped dig a bunch of trenches for the jogging paths there. I worked from like Feb-April in the freezing ass rain digging ditches. We would then pour drain rock, sand, dirt and wood chips over top. I believe we dug about 3 or 4 feet deep to create these trails.


I was like 18 at the time, but it was extremely ball-busting work. I made $7 an hour. Back then you could get a Subway 4" round sandwich for .99 cents, sometimes you could even get a veggie round for .69!!! Gas was like .39 cents a liter as well, and a 6-pack was 5.50 or 6 bucks. No cel phones... pagers were still the shit.

[StanleyR]

gas was not 39cents ya lying bastard!

it was like 60 cents ( i remember vividly, the mid late 90's gas on the prairies was a consistant 56 cents a liter)

[Yodamaster]

Originally Posted by freakshow

This is completely incorrect. Working harder does demand more pay, if for nothing else, simply because of supply and demand. If there are two jobs that require the same mental skill, but one is hugely demanding on the body, an easy majority of people will choose the less demanding one if they pay the same. So hard, physical labour jobs do deserve more pay according to what the market bares.

They don't deserve more pay, they get more pay because without it, the job would never get done.

Shovelling dirt and flipping burgers are not skilled trades, doctors, mechanics, engineers, lawyers, and cooks (real cooks) are. With those trades, there is a potential to fuck up so badly that you could kill multiple people or severely mess with their lives, therefore the people that are skilled enough to accomplish those tasks deserve more pay.

A plane isn't going to fall out of the sky and kill 300 people because I missed a spot with my shovel. A plane could easily fall out of the sky if the technicians working on it do not know what they are doing, which makes the technicians that do know, worth more.

Getting paid more because you're willing to take a shitty job does not make you deserve your wage any more than a guy flipping burgers.

[multicartual]

Originally Posted by StanleyR

gas was not 39cents ya lying bastard!

it was like 60 cents ( i remember vividly, the mid late 90's gas on the prairies was a consistant 56 cents a liter in the mid - late 90s)

Hey, I smoked a lot of dope since then!


The cheapest I ever bought was for was like 31 cents/liter in Silverdale, near Mission. Filled up my 5.0's tank for like $13.

[J_Crow]

I firmly believe that we should stop the Chinese from investing in our economy.

Things were a lot better before they arrived.

[Godzira]

honestly from my experience back home. you PAY for what you GET.
I worked with a bunch of immigrants freshies to Canada that sent money back home to their families.. I started after them, got paid double what they did but I worked ten times as hard.. they worked 1 monkey job each while I would pull engines, transmissions, diagnosed, etc. the amount of shotty work and comebacks on their exhaust jobs was unreal. but the boss kept them because they worked for pennies and despite their shit work they made him alot of profit. I would never trust them with my car and personally think they gave our shop a bad rep. but they would kiss our bosses ass and pretend to sweep as soon as he came around.. the second Ed was out of sight .. so were they. im not racist at all id like to clarify that.. but it just goes to show if you pay a little more you get exactly what you want.

[J_Crow]

We do not need a raise in minimum wages.

We need an immigration reform.

[freakshow]

Originally Posted by Yodamaster

They don't deserve more pay, they get more pay because without it, the job would never get done.

Shovelling dirt and flipping burgers are not skilled trades, doctors, mechanics, engineers, lawyers, and cooks (real cooks) are. With those trades, there is a potential to fuck up so badly that you could kill multiple people or severely mess with their lives, therefore the people that are skilled enough to accomplish those tasks deserve more pay.

A plane isn't going to fall out of the sky and kill 300 people because I missed a spot with my shovel. A plane could easily fall out of the sky if the technicians working on it do not know what they are doing, which makes the technicians that do know, worth more.

Getting paid more because you're willing to take a shitty job does not make you deserve your wage any more than a guy flipping burgers.

Actually, it DOES. You literally deserve more money because it is a job that no one else wants to do, similar with isolation pay, you deserve more money because other people won't do it.

Suppose there is a surplus of doctors skilled doctors to the point where they could be paid 50k per year. They then deserve 50k.

To argue otherwise is to impose some sort of arbitrary philosophical numerical value to certain professions based on what you think they deserve.. and i'll be damned if you (or I) should get to decide what everyone in society 'deserves'.

[StanleyR]

Originally Posted by multicartual

Hey, I smoked a lot of dope since then!


The cheapest I ever bought was for was like 31 cents/liter in Silverdale, near Mission. Filled up my 5.0's tank for like $13.

I remember losing my shit when gas was up to like 68 -70 cents a liter. My GF at the time was able to fill her tank on her 91 Chev Sprint with a little bit less than a $20 bill.

THOSE were the days my friend

[multicartual]

Originally Posted by StanleyR

I remember losing my shit when gas was up to like 68 -70 cents a liter. My GF at the time was able to fill her tank on her 91 Chev Sprint with a little bit less than a $20 bill.

THOSE were the days my friend

I remember before cel phones and the internet... life was a LOT MORE SIMPLE. Holy fuck!

[Tone Loc]

Originally Posted by J_Crow

I firmly believe that we should stop the Chinese from investing in our economy.

Things were a lot better before they arrived.

Not going to argue whether or not you are "right", but there's no real way to do that... foreign investment is integral to every country's economy and Chinese investment in other countries is everywhere. If foreign investment was made illegal, the United States would have gone belly-up by now. I have a friend who is on exchange from Norway, and the "problem" of excessive foreign immigration and investment is taking a toll on their economy as well. Basically every "first-world" developed nation is experiencing an influx of Chinese, for better or worse. It's just how the world works, can't really blame wealthy Chinese for wanting to escape a country whose government can/will take away their wealth in an instant, has basically no concept of an unbiased justice system, is rife with crazy amounts pollution, and is grossly overpopulated in urban areas.

I'm personally not the biggest fan of it either, but I am an immigrant (or the son of two) and let's face it I'd rather be in poverty here than "wealthy" in the Philippines.. so who am I to talk?

[JesseBlue]

Originally Posted by StanleyR

gas was not 39cents ya lying bastard!

it was like 60 cents ( i remember vividly, the mid late 90's gas on the prairies was a consistant 56 cents a liter)

yes it was...39.9 was already considered expensive...i remember driving from surrey to port kells because gas will be at 31.9 there...

[StanleyR]

Originally Posted by JesseBlue

yes it was...39.9 was already considered expensive...i remember driving from surrey to port kells because gas will be at 31.9 there...

that's cause you in the middle of nowhere. seriously, I have no idea where port kells is.

Wow, to think Saskatchewan actually had higher gas prices than BC

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by Godzira

Agreed. I just think that if minimum wage increases so should labourers wage and everyone elses lol.

"Should"? Why "should" they? Do those positions suddenly become more valuable just because the government decrees the fry guy needs to make more to be able to afford his Yaletown condo that he shouldn't have bought in the first place if he wasn't making enough?

[RFlush]

Originally Posted by StanleyR

I have no idea where port kells is.

WTF! Street races in PK, meet at timmies.

[Yodamaster]

Originally Posted by freakshow

Actually, it DOES. You literally deserve more money because it is a job that no one else wants to do, similar with isolation pay, you deserve more money because other people won't do it.

Suppose there is a surplus of doctors skilled doctors to the point where they could be paid 50k per year. They then deserve 50k.

To argue otherwise is to impose some sort of arbitrary philosophical numerical value to certain professions based on what you think they deserve.. and i'll be damned if you (or I) should get to decide what everyone in society 'deserves'.

I feel as though earning and deserving are being mixed up here.

You earn your pay for doing a hard day's work, I think everyone agrees. It applies to all fields, even working at McDonalds.

I feel as though deserving higher pay is relegated to fields that require extensive training/schooling to work in, things that the average person could not do. "Deserve" isn't really the best way to describe this anyway, "Qualify" sounds better.

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by JesseBlue

yes it was...39.9 was already considered expensive...i remember driving from surrey to port kells because gas will be at 31.9 there...

You damn kids....
You guys forgot about the gas wars when it was 29.9.

[p6rf1ct_s$m$n]

Originally Posted by multicartual

People laugh at me when I say 10k a month does not go very far anymore

it doesn't. Atleast 500k year

I spend 100k on entertainment, clothing, etc, a year alone.


25k year for food
25k year on clothes
25k year for a few vacations
25k year for car, gas, insurance
and there's still living costs, fun, gambling money, gf, canucks ticket, etc?

But family has passive income of around $1-1.5 million year from business, rentals, collecting interest just doing nothing all day.

[p6rf1ct_s$m$n]

Originally Posted by StanleyR

I remember losing my shit when gas was up to like 68 -70 cents a liter. My GF at the time was able to fill her tank on her 91 Chev Sprint with a little bit less than a $20 bill.

THOSE were the days my friend

she couldn't find a guy better than you?

if she's hot or atleast decent looking, she can easily get through life with a handsome tall guy with $$$$ than going through a tough life struggling with you

leave your gf to a REAL MAN lol

[p6rf1ct_s$m$n]

Originally Posted by Godzira

Agreed. I just think that if minimum wage increases so should labourers wage and everyone elses lol. but its not a perfect world. when I started in the trade I made $15/hr and worked my ass off! I would come home exhausted every day but at the same time I didn't care I loved my job and it got my foot in the door I didn't mind starting out at that knowing it wasn't a dead end job.

i'll take care of you if you're decent/hot, you can just quit your job

[GLOW]

Originally Posted by p6rf1ct_s$m$n

she couldn't find a guy better than you?

if she's hot or atleast decent looking, she can easily get through life with a handsome tall guy with $$$$ than going through a tough life struggling with you

leave your gf to a REAL MAN lol

maybe he was over 6' and had decent abs?

Originally Posted by p6rf1ct_s$m$n

i'll take care of you if you're decent/hot, you can just quit your job

your gf don't mind?

[Timpo]

Originally Posted by freakshow

This is completely incorrect. Working harder does demand more pay, if for nothing else, simply because of supply and demand. If there are two jobs that require the same mental skill, but one is hugely demanding on the body, an easy majority of people will choose the less demanding one if they pay the same. So hard, physical labour jobs do deserve more pay according to what the market bares.

No offence to people that are in labour jobs but I know that at least in Japan, labour jobs are looked down upon and do not pay well.

Simply because labour jobs are not academic enough and society will look at it as it's the job for high school drop outs or people who couldn't finish university degree. Thus, they do not deserve getting paid well.

[Y2K_o__o]

Originally Posted by J_Crow

We do not need a raise in minimum wages.

We need an immigration reform.

We do not need a raise

We need a government that can organize their finance better.
Raising the minimum wages means more income tax for the government.

Low income people & government will benefit from this, but NOT the middle class like us.

We will suffer from inflation because of the raised minimum wage PLUS the employers will try to cut cost by maintaining the middle class wage the SAME.

[Godzira]

Originally Posted by p6rf1ct_s$m$n

i'll take care of you if you're decent/hot, you can just quit your job

haha well in that case can I have $3000 for injectors haltech and a dyno tune