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Old 07-20-2015, 10:29 PM   #26
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Water restrictions are going to become the norm in the future. Summers are getting longer and more humid in Metro Vancouver. So much for paradise, eh?
I'll take this weather over doom and gloom 8 months out of the year, tyvm

Any time I'm sweating my balls off I refrain from complaining because this is still nothing compared to the humidity in east asia or the oven heat in Nevada/Arizona/NM/Utah
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I don't understand, Vancouver is next to the ocean..


Its nothing to do with how close to the ocean.
As I remember Its got something to do with the soil holding water...etc
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this is the scary shit tho



i cant find it but theres a video or a gif that shows a full USA map showing how the drought is growing from where it started to now reaching up into BC and spreading to texas
What I don't get is yes we still have a ton of under ground water for now. But what about in the next 10years, 30 years, 50 years. Shouldn't we try to stop the extraction of underground right now to make sure there are actually enough water for us to use in the future. Yes I am talking about the whole Nestea thing. Sure the water they are extracting from BC is like a tiny drop now but not in the future. Since drought is getting worse and worse in the states, Canada and other parts of the world we should really protect our water for future.......
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Because... it needs to be desalinated... and desalination requires a lot of energy...

It doesn't make sense for us to desalinate ocean water when there is "fresh" water around us.
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So...what exactly happens to someone if they get 'caught' doing something prohibited with water
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So...what exactly happens to someone if they get 'caught' doing something prohibited with water
They take your water away.

Probably a bylaw fine. How much, I have no clue.
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each city is different.

I've heard of $200-$500 for some
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so, would you NARC on your neighbour?

My office takes complaints in Van, we easily get over 100/day
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When our building was having the water tested last year, the environmental officer told me that the Molson Canadian Factory on Burrard used 1/3 of all Vancouvers water supply each day for production and cleaning the tanks. They paid millions in water fees.

Also, California's biggest water use comes from animal agriculture. Convincing people not to water there lawns is great, but putting a wrench in the cattle industry would have a far greater impact.
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so, would you NARC on your neighbour?

Totally. My lawn is straight up yellow, haven't watered it for over a month. I see my neighbours (plural) watering their lawn using a hose every day in July. I'm going to narc them tomorrow with video footage.
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I'll take this weather over doom and gloom 8 months out of the year, tyvm

Any time I'm sweating my balls off I refrain from complaining because this is still nothing compared to the humidity in east asia or the oven heat in Nevada/Arizona/NM/Utah
Our winters are becoming drier. We need it to rain 8-9 months of the year so we have enough water for the 2-3 months of summer we get. It's not like we have snowpacks to sustain us for an extended period.
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AND nestle is still paying 2.25 per MILLION Liters of water
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AND nestle is still paying 2.25 per MILLION Liters of water
misinformation.

nestle is paying an admin fee of 2.25/million litres.

in short summary since this isn't the thread for it: the difference in "paying" or "admin fees" is huge. if you change it to "paying", a few things to consider: NAFTA, sale of commodity, not having full control of restrictions, etc.
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Our winters are becoming drier. We need it to rain 8-9 months of the year so we have enough water for the 2-3 months of summer we get. It's not like we have snowpacks to sustain us for an extended period.
I thought the majority WAS from snowpacks?
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misinformation.

nestle is paying an admin fee of 2.25/million litres.

in short summary since this isn't the thread for it: the difference in "paying" or "admin fees" is huge. if you change it to "paying", a few things to consider: NAFTA, sale of commodity, not having full control of restrictions, etc.
Please educate me then sir.

From what I am reading even if it is admin fee, they are paying only $500 per year for admin fee. Thats pretty ridiculously low.

How much are they paying for water then?

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Trying to find more information because you said I have "misinformation".

So practically the water is free and they only charge admin fee.
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They take your water away.

Probably a bylaw fine. How much, I have no clue.
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each city is different.

I've heard of $200-$500 for some
I work for the waterworks dept in a certain city.

although fines are given, first they must receive a 1st and 2nd warning. If you have a douche bag neighbor you don't like and its within 6:30am - 11pm, feel free to report him and someone will be sent out. he has to visually see them doing so. If its midnight, you can call them in, its a 24/7/365 dispatch, but they most likely wont send anyone out after 11pm (the final crew stops at 11). The fine - its a whopping 75$ for the first offense. We haven't even given a 2nd out yet so its been decent.

exemptions - people who have permits. yes, its pathetic. I believe city hall sold them for 30$. You just have to state the reason for it. pesticides - gardens - new sod. Ive seen quite a few houses plant random plants from gardenworks in the middle of their lawn just so they can keep their sprinkler on. Although permits are no longer being issued, they will be honored until Aug 1st.

You can water your garden using a spring nozzled hose. something where you have complete control over where the water is going and spend 15 minutes watering a garden then be done.

As for water meters, as good as they sound, it would take YEARS to install them. Despite how bad of a reputation city workers have for being lazy, this would be just to much of a job to do...theres only roughly 35 people who maintain the entire city's water (aside from metrovan). There's simply other jobs that are way more important than putting in a water meter, and it can't be contracted out. Contractors are NOT allowed to touch city property...I can't tell you how many times I've caught Milanis plumbing hooked up to a fire hydrant without our awareness....not a cheap fine....HUGE fine. On a daily basis there's household water lines that break. Each one takes roughly 4 hours to fix on a 3/4" copper service line. Now imagine doing that for all the houses.
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Because... it needs to be desalinated... and desalination requires a lot of energy...

It doesn't make sense for us to desalinate ocean water when there is "fresh" water around us.
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Its strange, everywhere around where I live has restrictions but there are currently none where I am.

Also, something to look into if you are someone who normally does not water there lawn and is a home owner. Read through your insurance information. I recently found out that if you let your law become excessively dry that it is easy for a fire to start and you end up having a fire due to dry grass you may not be covered. Even more issues if you have an automated sprinkler system like we have.

Having seen and lived through multiple forest fires in my life, I see the benefit of having a lawn watered.
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looks like we'll just have to urinate on our lawns to keep it watered.
but then you'd get narc'd on when lawns are green due to said urination
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Please educate me then sir.

From what I am reading even if it is admin fee, they are paying only $500 per year for admin fee. Thats pretty ridiculously low.

How much are they paying for water then?

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Trying to find more information because you said I have "misinformation".

So practically the water is free and they only charge admin fee.
Holy crap, people need to stop getting angry at Nestle for this. Only reason people are focused on them is because they're the most visible. They're simply doing the same thing that a ton of other companies (mining comes to mind) and people with ground wells are doing. Blame the government if you want to get angry at someone - they're simply doing what the government has allowed. Nothing more.
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Its strange, everywhere around where I live has restrictions but there are currently none where I am.

Also, something to look into if you are someone who normally does not water there lawn and is a home owner. Read through your insurance information. I recently found out that if you let your law become excessively dry that it is easy for a fire to start and you end up having a fire due to dry grass you may not be covered. Even more issues if you have an automated sprinkler system like we have.

Having seen and lived through multiple forest fires in my life, I see the benefit of having a lawn watered.
Yeah, up here the only restrictions are one day on, one day off for watering. But being in the BC Interior, I imagine it likely has something to do with helping prevent forest fires. And yeah, my home insurance becomes void if the lawn around the house dries out. One of the many fine print points that most insurers don't talk about.
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Holy crap, people need to stop getting angry at Nestle for this. Only reason people are focused on them is because they're the most visible. They're simply doing the same thing that a ton of other companies (mining comes to mind) and people with ground wells are doing. Blame the government if you want to get angry at someone - they're simply doing what the government has allowed. Nothing more.
Blame vancity buzz, the sheep that follow that idiotic website don't know shit, and all vancity buzz does is overhype and blow stories out of proportion in order to garner more clicks.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nestle just got tired of this crap shut down their operation, fired all 100 employees, and moved elsewhere.

Same goes for a lot of industrial operations, people keep putting us down, and making us to be the enemy, whether it be related to water, or the environment or whatever. Go ahead keep putting us down, and trying to stop our operations. Cause the moment we can't get a job in mining, or oil sands, we're just going to move back into the city and take all your jobs.

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As of today, no warnings will be issued anymore.

I've already received dozens of call today of pissed off neighbors. We go, take a pic, and your fined...no its ands or buts.

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