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Old 09-03-2015, 06:11 PM   #1
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Man could lose car to civil forfeiture for evading port mann tolls

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Man charged with fraud for evading tolls on the Golden Ears Bridge

A Port Coquitlam man has been charged with two counts of fraud after he was spotted evading tolls on the Golden Ears Bridge.

It turns out the man was using a cable system inside the car to lift up the license plate to avoid the toll cameras.

In December, 2014, an off-duty Surrey RCMP Criminal Collision Investigation Team (CCIT) member was following a car headed towards Maple Ridge and Pitt Meadows across the Golden Ears Bridge from Surrey.

No license plate was visible on the vehicle and this caught the officer’s attention.

“Officers are always looking for uninsured vehicles,” said Cpl. Scotty Schumann. “The officer was very surprised when he saw a valid BC license plate magically lift into place after they had passed the toll cameras.”


The officer recorded the plate number and began making inquiries. Police were able to identify the owner of the car and the driver. When they saw the driver cross the bridge again, he was arrested for fraud.

Gregory Murray, 49, was charged with two counts of fraud under $5,000 on Aug. 6. Police have also seized the car, a 1993 Geo Metro and are applying to have the car forfeited to Crown.

“Thousands of people cross the bridge daily with the vast majority paying their tolls. This serves as a reminder to anyone actively trying to defeat the toll system that it is a criminal offence and that you could lose your vehicle and face charges,” says Schumann.

Anyone with more information about toll evasion is asked to contact the police force in their jurisdiction or Crime Stoppers, if they wish to remain anonymous, at 1-800-222-TIPS or Metro Vancouver Crime Stoppers Home Page.
All jokes about the car being a Geo Metro aside, It makes me FURIOUS that the government would be pursuing civil forfeiture over traffic toll evasion, basically equating that with Gang Profiteering and Drunk Driving.

An acceptable punishment to me would be to make the guy back-pay all his illegal crossings with interest, and slap an addition fine on him.

When the government does shit like this, I'm starting to get CIC in my head and that we're regressing into a fucking police state and we're going to have to rise up and overthrow these fuckers before we can't even fart without having all our property taken away.

Like, does this sound right to anyone else?
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Civil forfeiture is going too far, IMO. Yes, the Geo isn't worth much, but it sets a dangerous precedent.
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the amount of bikers i have seen (you know those HA guys ) who have their lady friends cover the plate as they cross is funny lol
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You don't need a friend to cover it, just pop the front end up or mount a fender eliminator that mounts it down under the tail more.......not that anyone should do that or anything.
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When plate scanning software doesnt pick up an id (plate) in its scan, that car come up as a red flag.
Im betting big brothers tools let the police know who this guy was and when his time routes were before miraculously ending up behind him to see this license flipping.

Being a Canadian citizen technically means the Queen owns you, your cars and house.
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Yea when they said it on the news today, I also thought taking away the vehicle was insane
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the CF is insane...

the fraud charge is fucking ludicrous.
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I've been wanting to do something like this for years, I'm sure this guy ain't the only one but losing his car is a fucken joke and I don't understand how it could be legally allowable
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I've been wanting to do something like this for years, I'm sure this guy ain't the only one but losing his car is a fucken joke and I don't understand how it could be legally allowable
I looked into license plate flippers. There was a model years ago that was remote/switch activated and only cost a couple hundred bucks. But all the ones I see nowadays are for bikes and then stupid expensive "James Bond" style ones.
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An acceptable punishment to me would be to make the guy back-pay all his illegal crossings with interest, and slap an addition fine on him.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it possible the forfeiture would be due to the guys inability to pay for the crossings/fines?
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Yeah, CF has been coming up in the news for the last couple of years as it's abused by the government as a cash cow.

Craziest one I read about a couple years ago, was a family in Philly had their house seized because their son got caught selling $40 worth of heroin.
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Translink should hire him to work on their turnstiles
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sucks for the guy and I feel bad
but the gov't is clearly making an example out of him so others don't try to scam TREO

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Civil forfeiture is going too far, IMO. Yes, the Geo isn't worth much, but it sets a dangerous precedent.
It sets a strong deterrence so not many people will attempt to do the same
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I have always been surprised that no one has tried to damage/destroy the tolling equipment there. I know after using the bridge for a year and paying thousands in tolls the though crossed my mind.
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There are far more advanced "plate flippers" online that you could probably get away with over string and duct tape lol

Although eventually if you were evading thousands of dollars eventually they'd probably investigate and find you
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i wonder if he had a dummy plate instead of no plate at all would not caught the attention of the police? eg:


sadly, this example is almost $450usd for just one... having a pair would be worth more than the guy's car
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meh...can't exactly feel bad for this guy
you got caught and you got made an example of
at the crux of everything, there are those facts.

sure it sets a dangerous precedent...yadda yadda yadda...but at the end of the day, the guy isn't exactly a saint going into all this
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It just seems to me like ppl are making a mountain of a mole hill. Just sayin. I'd be more concerned if CF was actually used on someone who didn't truly deserve it.

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That's a fucking terrible idea. Yeah, let's slap a fine on this guy, something that he's probably never gonna pay back seeing as he drives a fucking metro and goes fail McGyver on the tolls to save a couple hundred bucks. Then when others start doing it and the fines rack up and only about 20% are being paid back, I'll bet you'll be one of the first to bitch and moan about all the uncollected toll-related fines and how that's driving up toll-related expenses.



haven't you ever watched Breaking Bad? What did Mike say about half measures? I'm almost close to applauding the government for going full measure on morons like these.
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It sets a strong deterrence so not many people will attempt to do the same
why dont they apply it to drunk driving and excessive speeding then?

the punishment doesnt suit the crime imo
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Guy driving a geo metro. Using a string and tape to flip up his plates . Poor guy is probably trying to get to work, he's obviously not well off by any means just trying to make living and save a buck where he can. This shit is fucked.
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