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Legitimately $450/m I would then seriously consider it. The range is honestly not great and doesn't really serve my needs. It's basically a big extended city runabout, but it's built like it's meant for road trips, doesn't fit here nor there.
They should have just sent the 2 row over here instead b/c of the short range being kinda unusable in North America for road trips. Pricing could have been just a bit more than an ID.4 and it would have moved more units than the 3 row.
They should have just sent the 2 row over here instead b/c of the short range being kinda unusable in North America for road trips. Pricing could have been just a bit more than an ID.4 and it would have moved more units than the 3 row.
We were able to go to Whistler and back with one charge at a Tesla supercharging station.
Do people really decide to buy a car based on road trips? I feel like most people buy it for the seating capacity and comfort, over the range issue.
We were able to go to Whistler and back with one charge at a Tesla supercharging station.
Do people really decide to buy a car based on road trips? I feel like most people buy it for the seating capacity and comfort, over the range issue.
I think people who road trip a lot and the car is marketed/designed for such then yeah it'll matter more than it will for other cars. Like buyers of Nissan Versa's probably care very little about its long drive performance but a minivan or an outdoor truck? It's probably some part of the consideration for some of its buyers.
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If you actually road trip often it makes sense. For the people who buy EVs with huge range "for when they go on a trip" but only drive out of city limits once a decade it makes no sense.
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Doug says a used cybertruck will be 35k in 18 months. That's a lot of truck for 35k. What's that going to do to the new market? They are only selling 20K trucks a year. The factory they built can build 250k trucks a year. If the sales of new trucks keep dropping will they end production?
if it's capable of building 250k trucks a year can they shift the assembly line with relative ease to produce other models? whatever their biggest seller is? or perhaps the model 2 cheapo model they've been talking about forever?
or will it be heavy financial losses to even consider doing that?
if it's capable of building 250k trucks a year can they shift the assembly line with relative ease to produce other models? whatever their biggest seller is? or perhaps the model 2 cheapo model they've been talking about forever?
or will it be heavy financial losses to even consider doing that?
They spent a lot of money on R&D and custom tooling. they bought the worlds largest press x 2. If they switch it will be a lot of money I bet.
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Isn't that better than completely cancelling it like f150 lightening
They are planing to build electric trucks with a gas generators plus a new 30k electric truck of some sort.
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1) Aluminum plant for Lightning caught on fire
2) Ford has better platforms and batteries cooking
3) range extended EV is almost ready and is cheaper to run
4) lightning was a slap dash job to beat GM to market because they knew GM had way better ev/batts tech
They will relaunch with CATL Shenxing gen 2 packs which…
1) charge 10-80% in 15 minutes even in -10C, compared to 35-50 min on Cybertruck
2) 800V and 400kw charging, average 300+ kW instead of 120 on Cybertruck 800V
Tesla is now back of the pack with the batts, behind VW, MB, BMW, and the big Chinese OEMs because Tesla fucked up their bet on 4680 and their old 2170 also sucks. The 4680 thermals are so bad that even 800V couldn’t save it.
On self driving, FSD is getting BTFO’d by Waymo, which Toyota and other OEMs are starting to license for personally owned vehicles, meaning the tech/models are ready for cheaper sensor arrays and hardware.
1) Aluminum plant for Lightning caught on fire
2) Ford has better platforms and batteries cooling, unlike Tesla whose cars and cells are in the stone ages.
3) range extended EV is almost ready and is cheaper to run
They will relaunch with CATL Shenxing gen 2 packs which…
1) charge 10-80% in 15 minutes even in -10C, compared to 35-50 min on Cybertruck
2) 800V and 400kw charging, average 300+ kW instead of 120 on Cybertruck 800V
Tesla is now back of the pack with the batts, behind VW, MB, BMW, and the big Chinese OEMs because Tesla fucked up their bet on 4680 and their old 2170 also sucks. The 4680 thermals are so bad that even 800V couldn’t save it.
On self driving, FSD is getting BTFO’d by Waymo, which Toyota and other OEMs are starting to license for personally owned vehicles, meaning the tech/models are ready for cheaper sensor arrays and hardware.
Ok, I'm not sure where you are getting your info and I have always respected your opinion because your background in the business but this is just a bunch of craps.
Tesla is second to none when it comes to their BMS, battery packs and electrical motors. My acquaintance works in a major Chinese EV startups as the chief engineer in electric motor and even he says (off record of course) they have beaten every company be it Asian, European or American (like their techs are all shit comparing to what they have now) except Tesla. He feels that they are about 2 gen behind Tesla and can only try to get close to Tesla by either using higher voltage architecture or larger battery pack.
I don't know where you are in the industry and what your training is, but I think I'd put more weight on an engineer with 2 PhDs and working directly in the most throat-cutting market when it comes to EV.
I asked him why Tesla doesn't go with 800v architecture other than CT or not offering higher charging speed, and he says it's a decision Tesla took based on their BMS. Faster charging is harder on the batteries. In 400v, Tesla is among the best at 250kw+ and chose to taper down much faster to conserve the battery health. 800v, he says from their own teardown on CT, CT has the capacity of doing 600kw at pack level, whatever limit Tesla is imposing is based on their BMS.
Now in FSD, I now drive daily with FSD. V14 is so good that I rely on it to take me to and from Whistler with fog, rain, and snow and never once I felt unsafe and needed to take over. Heck, during some part of Sea to Sky where there isn't much light and marking is shit because of rain and stuff, I think FSD actually does a better job at telling the lines than my own eyes.
Just this weekend, SF suffered a major blackout and Waymo basically paralyzed. Because its system relies on maps that works in perfect conditions to operate properly. Tesla OTOH just drove like any other day.
You clearly have a bias when it comes to Tesla vs. others. But that bias has prevented you to look into the improvements that Tesla is doing and has done. I don't know where European, Korean or Japanese automakers stand as far as EV tech goes, but I know China is nearly industry-leading, and if Tesla is still THE brand that they are all benchmarking against, your comments is clearly showing bullshit and trying to pass it as fact.
When every major player in the industry use the same brand for benchmarking, you know that brand is doing something right.
Other brands all try to one up Tesla at some point, "oh our motor is more efficient than Tesla. Our car goes further than Tesla. Our car is quicker than Tesla... etc etc."
Why they all compare to Tesla and not Kia/Hyundai, Xiaomi, BYD... etc?
It's like every foundry compares to TSMC. Every smartphone compares to Apple. Every AI system compares to OpenAI and every AI chip compares to Nvidia.
They might not be the best at every metric. But they are the overall best without a doubt and that's why the whole industry compare to that one single company, who is clearly the leader.
So all these uber drivers and food delivery fucks are driving the pinnacle of EV cars eh ?!
I dunno whether uber and food delivery drivers are driving the pinnacle of EVs, but I sure know they drive a much nicer and fancier car than I do!
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I actually agree with you:
On an engineering level yes, Tesla BMS, thermal management, motors, and overall consumption efficiency is top notch. Other engineer should aspire to create system as polished and thought out.
Where we disagree:
Put it all together with garbage batteries, however, and you get garbage product result.
Show me a 2025 released EV that's charges slower 10-80% than Model 3/Y 100kw average (on NMC no less lmao) and 120kw average on 800V for Cybertruck, I’ll wait.
I actually agree with you:
On an engineering level yes, Tesla BMS, thermal management, motors, and overall consumption efficiency is top notch. Other engineer should aspire to create system as polished and thought out.
Where we disagree:
Put it all together with garbage batteries, however, and you get garbage product result.
Show me a 2025 released EV that's charges slower 10-80% than Model 3/Y 100kw average (on NMC no less lmao) and 120kw average on 800V for Cybertruck, I’ll wait.
I don't know where your 120kw average for CT comes at. Maybe at a charger that isn't really designed for 800v architecture. At the SC that I usually use here on Whistler, which uses V4 charger with V3 cabinet (325kw max), I have always maxed out at 325 with about 15-18% (usually the % I arrive to Whistler with) and never drop below 130kw even all the way up to 70%. I have never charged beyond that because there's no need for it. The only time I charged to 70% was because I got caught up with some stuff and couldn't return in time.
Even with the V3 charger (250kw max) in Squamish or 350kw CCS that I tried on the way to Revy, I never once dropped below 120. Sure, I never ever charge to 100% when I'm using DC chargers. But if you drive EV and you are using DC chargers to charge to 100%, you are using it wrong IMO unless it's some weird stretch on route that has no charging station.
Sure, my memory might not be perfect. But even if it somehow drops below 100kw, it's at beyond 50% because that's what I usually stop before that and I have never seen below triple digit kw while charging. I don't have the most experience DC charging my CT for long time (like really fill it up), but unless your 120kw average meant charging it to 100%, I find that statement very different than my own experience.
And also reminding you, CT uses a 122kwh battery pack, while some crazy stuff like Hummer/Silverado uses 200kwh packs. I don't know how fast it takes for them to fill, but I'm sure as hell that since most chargers now bill by kw, mine is cheaper.
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