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Old 04-28-2016, 11:50 PM   #1
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Earls swiches to American beef

Earls has switched from Alberta beef to beef from the US because it could not find enough humane beef in Canada. The new beef is also Halal so I will never eat at Earls again.

Earls restaurants' move to drop Alberta beef provokes backlash - Calgary - CBC News
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So.... They want to serve humanely treated beef, so they sourced it from a place that can actually supply their demand?

What heartless bastards
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So.... They want to serve humanely treated beef, so they sourced it from a place that can actually supply their demand?

What heartless bastards
I don't know how an using a serrated blade on an animal to saw the neck open and let it bleed out to death could be considered humane.
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I don't know how an using a serrated blade on an animal to saw the neck open and let it bleed out to death could be considered humane.

Ummm for Halal you're not supposed to use a serrated blade... blade has to be clean, straight and non serrated, and one cut into the jugular.
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Ummm for Halal you're not supposed to use a serrated blade... blade has to be clean, straight and non serrated, and one cut into the jugular.
so it still bleeds to death. doesn't sound like a fast death.
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Earls has switched from Alberta beef to beef from the US because it could not find enough humane beef in Canada. The new beef is also Halal so I will never eat at Earls again.

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They claim it's Humane.
And you claim it isn't?

If that's the case, you should present your argument and source!
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Cows killed using the Halal method is probably the most inhumane method ever.
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And you claim it isn't?

If that's the case, you should present your argument and source!
Think about it if you where going to be killed how would you like to go? A swift chop on the back of your neck guillotine style cutting threw your spine and all your pain sensors or a knife across your throat.
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From my reading of the news from other outlets, it seems to me that the Canadian cattle ranchers were primarily lacking in:

1) the volume, and
2) the necessary documentation to prove that their cattle raising practices were humane, no unnecessary antibiotics, etc.

IMO, Earls is pretty stupid here because they just didn't see what was coming at them. The only reason Earls wants to do this "Certified Humane" meat stuff is because they want to use it as a promotional tool to gain some competitive advantage over their competitors. But clearly, given Alberta beef's long standing reputation here in Canada, ditching them outright is just going to be disastrous. You really don't need a marketing degree to see the backlash that will come from such a move, and now it has happened.

Dumb... just dumb. It never fails to amaze me how businesses can be so dumb to commit their blatantly obvious business blunders.
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The certified humane is only one aspect. It's more about the antibiotic and hormone free part they are trying to promote. The demographics in vancouver and probably T.dot will love that part.
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Never ceases to amaze me how much people care about useless shit like this. Well, humans are just never satisfied. Once you feed them and save them from starvation, they will start worry about the animals.
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I doubt any cows coming from these meat factories died a pleasant death regardless of the blade used.
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My primary concerns would be if the meat is antibiotic and hormone free.

I would then be concerned with the source of the meat, American beef? Eeeew, did Harper make it easier for companies to buy from the states? am not a fan.

I've no problem with Halal/Kosher Meats... Meats meat, treating the animals with respect before their death and a pain free culling would be appreciated. If you have an issue with how that's conducted, that's another issue..

I imagine there are nicer/quicker ways of killing an animal than what was available hundreds of years ago, but are those methods even employed by non-halal/kosher butchers?
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Good thing I only eat the cajun chicken sandwich at Earls.
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i'm all for supporting local but what's with these types of stories making the news lately and becoming the talk of the town? people supporting french's over heinz ketchup because they use canadian tomatoes was a pretty bizzare form of patriotism considering we send so many of our dollars to multinational companies, and then suddenly a $3 bottle of ketchup you might buy one or two of per year matters so much
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-definitely not gonna eat burgers from Earl's.

I'll ask a friend, who works as a chef at Earl's Test Kitchen, how the Kansas beef tastes compared to the Alberta beef.
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i'm all for supporting local but what's with these types of stories making the news lately and becoming the talk of the town? people supporting french's over heinz ketchup because they use canadian tomatoes was a pretty bizzare form of patriotism considering we send so many of our dollars to multinational companies, and then suddenly a $3 bottle of ketchup you might buy one or two of per year matters so much
there's a long answer, a CiC style answer, or a suggestion, take some sociology, and history classes, even economics courses, they will really open your eyes up to things, and answer your questions regarding that

its a mix of economy, media, and how ppl tick, which results in reactions like this
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people still eat at earl's?

i'd be angrier if they started replacing their canadian servers and waitresses with american ones
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U gotta be kidding, just drive north or east 3 hours from here and look at how many cows there are.
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I don't know what's so complicated about this, there are a number of standard organizations for Beef, Earls told all the Canadian ranchers 2-3 years ago they were looking to move to this Certified Humane standard, the Canadian ranchers were not interested in obtaining the certification and now Earls won't buy their beef.

Regarding the slaughter issue, they still use the bolt to render them insensible prior to cutting the throat... pretty much standard issue.

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Good thing I only eat the cajun chicken sandwich at Earls.
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