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After I land the plane, I would go up to the air traffic control tower, and knock the lights out of the fucker that told me it was ok to land lol.
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The controller assured the pilot there is no one on the runway. Seconds later, another voice — apparently one of the pilots on the taxiway — interjects, "Where's this guy going? He's on the taxiway."
Only at that point did the controller order the Air Canada jet to pull up.
After I land the plane, I would go up to the air traffic control tower, and knock the lights out of the fucker that told me it was ok to land lol.
I think you misunderstood what happened. The AC flight was cleared to land on the vacant runway by ATC, however, for whatever reason (which is yet to be determined) on final approach the AC flight was lined up with a traffic laden parallel taxiway instead of the active runway.
If anything, you as the pilot should go up to the air traffic control tower and apologize to the controller for majorly screwing up a routine approach.
ATC should also be able to see he's on the wrong path, they both fucked up... the pilot more so, but the position of ATC should *never* just "assume" that the plane is going to the right place simply because it's a routine landing.
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Half those pilots are high, anyway.................
I know a few of them and it's pretty common.
Don't drink and drive.... errrr....... I mean fly. They have cracked down on pilots who have become intoxicated before their flights, so if they were sober, I wAnder why the pilot and co-pilot were so confused. There has to be more to this. Distracted driving/flying?
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^^^^ its like driving, sometimes ur just totally zoned out, yet till operating the car, next thing u know ur at ur destination and you're like "wtf?" lol mistakes happen then, easily
Tons of fatigue is a huge issue in that industry as well. Fucked up schedules, and sometimes too much partying can get people to go full retard at the worst time.
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The controller bears no responsibility at that point. From the controller's screen and viewpoint from the tower, it wouldn't really be possible to see the pilot was lined up with the taxiway running parallel to the runway and only a few feet apart. SF has some of the narrowest distances between runways and taxiways in the USA. The controller did his job by clearing the aircraft to land as soon as the runway is clear. The pilot screwed up by lining up incorrectly and not failing to recognize the runway from the taxiway until much too late.
Of course, if a plane is on final approach from the north and it's an east-west runway, then you could blame the controller for not paying attention.
The good news is the system worked. The pilot (eventually) noticed his path wasn't clear, questioned the tower, which caught the attention of the controller and the other pilots on the taxiway who spoke up. The tower immediately called for a go-around (a standard procedure) and everyone stayed safe.
Yes there are instruments that let the pilot know if he's lined up with the runway correctly but at that time he was flying using visual flight rules, which means he's flying simply by looking out the window, not by using his instruments. It's a common thing.
Thats what it looks like at night. It was VFR and simultaneous approach was probably allowed, ILS was should be shut off so no real guidance.
Those green lights should've notified the pilot that it was a taxiway but was blocked by the waiting aircraft bodies. However, not sure what was the light setting of the runway.
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^^^^ its like driving, sometimes ur just totally zoned out, yet till operating the car, next thing u know ur at ur destination and you're like "wtf?" lol mistakes happen then, easily
are pilots not trained to retain their situational awareness during take-off and landing? not one but both pilots
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Those green lights should've notified the pilot that it was a taxiway but was blocked by the waiting aircraft bodies. However, not sure what was the light setting of the runway.
runway was lit white, taxiway blue
answering my own question earlier, roughly a 10 second window to correct, otherwise almost 1000 casualties
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“On a normal 3-degree glide slope, an aircraft descends 320 feet for every nautical mile flown,” Trescott explained in his blog Trends Aloft. “So at 175 feet, an aircraft would be 0.55 nautical miles from the touchdown zone. The typical landing speed for an A320 is around 130 knots to 140 knots. At 140 knots, an aircraft covers 2.33 miles per minute, so it could travel 0.55 nautical miles in a little over 14 seconds. Of course, if you figure a typical airliner is perhaps 40 feet high … then it would have been about 11 seconds to impact.”
“I would say this is quite alarming and uncommon to be this close,” he said. “That’s relatively rare.”
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Some people fucked up, but in the end the safety nets and training saved everyone from a giant catastrophe. i.e. questioning the controller, controller issuing a go around, etc.
At night it's extremely easy to get lost in the lights of a busy area such as that.
hmm so it was actually worse...59ft (so less than six storeys)
I know it didn't fly directly over at lowest AGL but assuming the average height of airbus is 35ft...wow
apparently control tower said the flight in question wasn't even on the radar at that point
and of course they let the cockpit audio overwrite to save their hides
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Some people fucked up, but in the end the safety nets and training saved everyone from a giant catastrophe. i.e. questioning the controller, controller issuing a go around, etc.
At night it's extremely easy to get lost in the lights of a busy area such as that.
OK if you're an expert, why not try helping answer some questions instead of name-calling? Everyone fucks up some times...how common is it for both pilots to miss something so routine simultaneously? Busy or not, how do you mistake blue for white on approach? If it's extremely easy and a majorly flawed system, why haven't we heard of more stories like this often?
Not the first time in recently that AC doesn't wanna be accountable for poor piloting. Deflect, deflect, deflect.
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