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It is, yes. But at the same time, I won't clutch my pearls when I hear people making comments like that.
I may not agree with it, but I know the resentment doesn't come from nowhere.
It may sound crazy, but I believe any dialog is better than no dialog. Silencing people because racist doesn't work, IMO
The answer is simple - don't be a racist cunt, and people may listen to you
I don't necessarily disagree with her overall message, specifically just throwing money at a situation, but someone in her position should be able to convey that message a little better than she did. I get the whole Trump thing where they are just "telling it like it is", but please say it better than some drunk in a bar would.
I think it goes a little deeper than just telling it like it is. It's about having the ability to bring things out to the open for honest discussions. Yes, some people may use an open atmosphere to preach ignorance. But at least we can all be honest with each other. IMO, that's more important than our feelings. It should be more important than anything.
Try reading the entire speech. I think it's as well presented as it could possibly be. Senator Lynn Beyak
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The answer is simple - don't be a racist cunt, and people may listen to you
Okay but racist is a pretty subjective term these days, no?
I mean, she made comments about residential schools having some positive aspects, settling a payout, abandoning status, and some people think that was racist.
Does that mean she shouldn't be heard?
If what I said was an opinion, then what do you call what she said in her speech? Keep in mind the media essentially tried to hang her for it, while senators were calling for her resignation.
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where can I read these comments? Right now media is obviously cherry-picking the worst ones
They are not comments they are letters that people sent her ans she posted on here site. If she would have posted all the letters she received that whould be one thing but she cherry picked the ones she liked.
There doesn't seem to be enough malicious intent to flat out call her racist, but I haven't read everything she has said. It does seem like b/s that instead of trying to educate someone that may have misguided views they just want her sacked. I mean:
"Mistakes were made at residential schools — in many instances, horrible mistakes that overshadowed some good things that also happened at those schools"
is one of the statements people are complaining about. Is it untrue? Is it factually incorrect? Does anyone honestly believe that not a single person had a single good intention throughout that entire process? Why is it that people can only look at something in terms of how it was overall and completely ignore the existence of every part that was counter to how it was overall?
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You're a blonde white woman from who knows where, what knowledge or incite can you realistically provide regarding the impact of residential schools?
Please tell me you see the irony in this statement.
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half those dudes are hotter than ,my GF.
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reading this thread is like waiting for goku to charge up a spirit bomb in dragon ball z
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OH thank god. I thought u had sex with my wife. :cry:
who do she think she is..Trump.......she doesn't have enough large enough followers for them to think ..."Yeah that's okay,i AGREE"
so the smaller group called "Racist!" first.....and its true cause there's more people who believe it
I think it's pretty sad that people can't even have a discussion anymore about topics like this. People would rather virtue signal and call someone a racist rather than listen to their view on a subject.
I remember back in the day, if you were to accuse someone of being a racist or sexual abuser, it was a big deal and you damn well better have proof and expect to find yourself in court proving yourself or face a countersuit on charges of slander. Now these words are passed around nonchalant.
I completely understand that res schools existed up until not that long ago and the survivors should be treated for any form of abuse they endured. At some point in time, shouldn't both sides agree that bad shit happened in the past and move forward with mutual respect and dignity? Would that not be truly PROGRESSIVE? Wouldn't it actually be considered conservative to always live in the past?
Throwing money at people doesn't magically fix everything. It's just an enabler. A classic addiction mechanism. Give someone something that requires no effort from them and they'll always want more.
Regardless of the intentions on either side the fact remains that First Nations people receive a great deal of money from the government that was not generated by a work effort. Where money is involved it will always be a contentious issue.
I remember back in the day, if you were to accuse someone of being a racist or sexual abuser, it was a big deal and you damn well better have proof and expect to find yourself in court proving yourself or face a countersuit on charges of slander. Now these words are passed around nonchalant.
And that's why so many people got away with it.
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Nope. And I doubt he does either. All he probably knew when he gave her that moniker was that it was an infamous female Indian and that the left would react with complete hypocrisy.
Which is kinda sad, especially on Trump's part. Pocahontas, according to myth anyway, saved a white man from execution... only to later be kidnapped by another group of white settlers and forced into marriage. Doesn't seem like the right type name to use as an insult intended to hurt someone's reputation.
Which is kinda sad, especially on Trump's part. Pocahontas, according to myth anyway, saved a white man from execution... only to later be kidnapped by another group of white settlers and forced into marriage. Doesn't seem like the right type name to use as an insult intended to hurt someone's reputation.
But that's off topic here.
I think what's kinda sad is that this needs to be explained.
He's not saying anything derogatory about native Americans. He's not using the name Pocahontas to be offensive to them.
The negatory is solely on her. Not native people.
He uses it because he knows it infuriates her. Because everytime she (and those on the left really) try to call racism over it they look like complete hypocrites for not looking at the real offensive action; a rich white woman who pretended to be a minority to advance her career.
It's mocking, and drawing the hypocrisy in one shot.
It's really quite genius, IMO.
I think we really need to stop with this whole horseshit of virtuosity. This idea that a word is racist, when it's the context that makes it offensive. The liberal left tries to confuse us of that.
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
I think what's kinda sad is that this needs to be explained.
He's not saying anything derogatory about native Americans. He's not using the name Pocahontas to be offensive to them.
The negatory is solely on her. Not native people.
He uses it because he knows it infuriates her. Because everytime she (and those on the left really) try to call racism over it they look like complete hypocrites for not looking at the real offensive action; a rich white woman who pretended to be a minority to advance her career.
It's mocking, and drawing the hypocrisy in one shot.
It's really quite genius, IMO.
I think we really need to stop with this whole horseshit of virtuosity. This idea that a word is racist, when it's the context that makes it offensive. The liberal left tries to confuse us of that.
It also infuriates native Americans> But who cares as long as you get a chuckle out of it.
If she claimed to be part Jewish he could call her little Annie Frank.
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explain to me the reason his use of the name is offensive. Break it down for me, please
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
I remember using the term "aboriginal" and someone getting offended. I was carefully taught to use that term as an appropriate replacement for "native" or "Indian". It was that day I learned about the term "First Nations". I wonder if one day "First Nations" will be an offensive term, replaced by something else. Welfare is right. It's not the word that's offensive. It's the context and intent.
I stick with native or Indian.
I don't speak cuck.
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
If you're ever up in the Okanagan, I recommend cruising up Westside Road along Okanagan Lake between Kelowna and Vernon. They have an interesting sign along the way.
Seems that word is ok still.
I remember using the term "aboriginal" and someone getting offended. I was carefully taught to use that term as an appropriate replacement for "native" or "Indian". It was that day I learned about the term "First Nations". I wonder if one day "First Nations" will be an offensive term, replaced by something else. Welfare is right. It's not the word that's offensive. It's the context and intent.
First it Indians
Then it was Natives
Then it was Aboriginal/First Nations
Now for some reason we have to use the term Indigenous
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