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With the 'your brother" broken down in Abbotsford stealing gas scenario I made earlier... you would accept the house owner to face no prison time for his murder?
Not interested in answering hypotheticals, Charles.
If you want to converse about the facts of this particular case, that's fine by me.
Unfortunately, you don't seem to want to do that. Ever.
That said, as always, it's been a pleasure. Take care now
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How can anyone be expected to care as much about someone who isn't related to them as they do about their own family? Race has nothing to do with it. That kid could have been white or purple or a damn oompa-loompa for all I care, wouldn't change how I feel nor would it have changed the verdict. You don't even know what ethnicity anyone on this thread is, you're just making assumptions.
Why cant I kill someone trespassing to steal my property?
If you had a drug addicted brother and he tried to break into my Nissan 300ZX, do I have every right in your heart to blow his brains out?
You can point a gun at him and tell him to leave, and if the gun was determined to have accidentally went off, you would also not be convicted of second degree murder. Tragedy? Yes. Murder? No.
What's your opinion on Canadian governments approach to native relations?
I guess broadly, what's your opinion on that whole situation in this country?
In a very broad respect, the government is just trying to throw money at the situation. Doing whatever they need to get the votes for the next election. They aren't doing anything to actually fix the problem, a bandaid will only do so much.
The problem with the removal of the residential school system is that now none of the kids are going to school. You go to these communities and all the younger generation are legitimately stupid, just down right dumb. My friend is a teacher at a community school, the kids show up for first period/morning so that they are entitled to their free lunch and then they leave.
The government needs to stop throwing handouts at the first nations because all it has created is a generation of entitled, lazy people who are just waiting for the pay cheque to come in.
Now, obviously this is a generalization. Not all first nations are like this, some are very smart and are utilizing their handouts to educate themselves and get ahead. But a lot/most of them fit within the stereotypes all too well.
All of this is first hand experience flying to and staying in communities in the north, not just reading the latest propagandist news article.
Do you think its in Native American DNA genes for the things you say they do?
edit 2; Im thinking the father thought because police can shoot perps inside a running car, he too can shoot the driver... as per inside witness, I think the father shot twice, killing the kid, and the police are tampering with the car evidence because there are two gun powdered trace marks inside.
The problem with the removal of the residential school system is that now none of the kids are going to school. You go to these communities and all the younger generation are legitimately stupid, just down right dumb. My friend is a teacher at a community school, the kids show up for first period/morning so that they are entitled to their free lunch and then they leave.
Could that be interpreted as there having been some good to come from residential schools like Lynn Beyak was saying?
I think one big problem as far as education and younger generations is most of you guys are only seeing really shitty reserves and communities. These communities are being run by even shittier people. I often hear people say like Gab said "..a lot/most of them fit within the stereotypes all too well." This is true to a lot of smaller reserves that I have been to and seen. But these are a smaller fraction of the Canadian Native population than people actually think. Towns like Kamloops, Kelowna (Westbank), Vernon, Oliver, Osoyoos, and Chilliwack have quite high literacy rates. A lot of the Indian Bands in these towns run their tribal offices like businesses and actually hire people based off of merit, rather than just being 'johnny's cuz'.
I think people also forget in small buttfuck towns in the middle of nowhere that are predominantly white, those people aren't all first round picks either. I don't think a lot of the issues have anything to do with race, but have everything to do with culture.
As for my opinion on this Gerald Stanley thing, I don't think that his crime of shooting buddy had anything to do with race. If it was a few whites, or Asians, or brown people the outcome would have been the same.
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Thank you for your honest opinion.
Something tells me that the same ones who actually utilize the handouts to improve their lives are the same ones who would be able to self sustain without them.
Never been up north but I did spend half my adolescent life growing up pretty much exclusively with natives.
And IMO, the square root to nearly all the issues that I've seen has been, exactly as Calvin Helin explained, dependency.
And until the ones who dig those holes reflect on the truth, the problem is likely to continue the trend.
TBH, I don't think the government gives enough of a shit about them to grow a spine and face it. Nor would they wanna rock that boat.
They use the land, they pay the money. Been that way since the beginning. Pacification round and round.
Same situation where you're at with mining royalties and whatnot, if I understand correctly.
I love this country, but there is a severe lack of cohesion. And honesty. I worry about it. Maybe too much. But it's very unsettling sometimes.
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Gold is the money of kings;
Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
I think one big problem as far as education and younger generations is most of you guys are only seeing really shitty reserves and communities. These communities are being run by even shittier people. I often hear people say like Gab said "..a lot/most of them fit within the stereotypes all too well." This is true to a lot of smaller reserves that I have been to and seen. But these are a smaller fraction of the Canadian Native population than people actually think. Towns like Kamloops, Kelowna (Westbank), Vernon, Oliver, Osoyoos, and Chilliwack have quite high literacy rates. A lot of the Indian Bands in these towns run their tribal offices like businesses and actually hire people based off of merit, rather than just being 'johnny's cuz'.
I think people also forget in small buttfuck towns in the middle of nowhere that are predominantly white, those people aren't all first round picks either. I don't think a lot of the issues have anything to do with race, but have everything to do with culture.
As for my opinion on this Gerald Stanley thing, I don't think that his crime of shooting buddy had anything to do with race. If it was a few whites, or Asians, or brown people the outcome would have been the same.
I agree. People are people. Some good some bad. Shaped, predominantly, by our environment and our past. DNA is a map, but not definitively determinate.
There are reserves that more than quadruple the funding invested by the federal government. And that's a great thing. But it leaves me to wonder whether or not they actually need the funding and could not self sustain.
I should be clear, I don't give a shit about who gets what and whether or not things are fair. Life shouldn't be fair and I'm appreciative of that. I just think that the ability to self sustain or produce is a key component to happiness and fulfillment. And self worth. Which is consequential to confidence.
Like I said, I get it. use the land so pay the money. It's the only thing the government knows or cares to do.
I just think the ones who abuse the system are more damaged because of it. And the ones who don't, likely would be able to grow and advance without it.
But people are so worried about what's fair rather than what's healthy.
I dunno. It's a complex situation this Canada. There's so much up in the air. Uncertainty.
And it's easy to get caught up in the race bullshit. I fall for it too sometimes. But all it takes is a trip down memory lane to see all the fucked up shit human beings have done to each other over the past several thousand years. Some over race, some over religion, some over political ideology, some over wealth. Then I realize, yeah we're all the same shit. All capable of evil.. All capable of love. No better. No worse.
Yeah I'm rambling now
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The idea of a lack of native representation in jury isn't a fault of the judicial system. Jurors are selected randomly, many of them native. And natives, like most people, either don't show up or ask to be excused.
But I'm sure Trudeau and Singh will both argue this issue all the way to 2019. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ticle37784480/
Quote:
When Chief Justice Martel Popescul asked whether anyone needed to be excused as potential jurors, a long line quickly formed. About 70 people, roughly a third of those present, pleaded to be let go, citing reasons that ranged from health concerns to holidays they'd already booked. Nearly 50, including about a dozen people who appeared Indigenous, were excused.
For once it would be nice to see a politician argue the issues that led to the confrontation in the first place, rather than bury their heads in the sand while pointing fingers in every other direction.
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Wow they brought aboard a dozen Native Americans and didnt pick one to represent him.
Had this been a white and black case in the deep south, even dumb Trumpers would cue in the unjust juror system.
Hey Welfare, if your grandfather acted like ISIS 3 generations back, like raping, killing, and stealing children for the state to brainwash Marxiat\Hollywood culture... would you as Canada's leader today still be indifferent about "handouts"?
A dozen left at their own accord. And who knows how many were called of the 550 individuals who didn't show. I'd assume, at the very least, given the number of "visibly native" who did show, 50.
And no one knows how many of the jury were actually native. There are plenty of natives that don't look "visibly" native.
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Almost half of the prospective jurors in the Colten Boushie case were Aboriginal persons, according to one member of the jury pool.
However, the reason there were no Aboriginal Canadians on the jury in this controversial case is because so many deliberately opted out of the process. Other First Nations prospective jurors, meanwhile, were openly and outwardly biased during the selection process, according to one prospective juror who spoke to the Sun.
The witness, who the Sun is choosing not to identify, was present for jury selection in the Boushie case. The person described the scene as a “large gymnasium turned into a courtroom” in Battleford, Saskatchewan.
Media reports state that 700 people received jury duty notice for the case, and of that, only about 200 showed up that Monday morning.
“I sat at the back and got a better idea of who was all there,” said the prospective juror. “On one side of the room, it was primarily Caucasian people, with a few Filipinos, a couple black people, and peppered in was a handful of First Nations people,” the person recalls.
“On the other side of the room, it was maybe three-quarters First Nations people,” the person said, estimating that approximately 85-100 of the initial 200 prospective jurors were Aboriginal.
The person explained the process that day, as a judge asked if anyone in the room wanted to be excused or disqualified from sitting on a jury in this case. Individuals with a conflict – a relationship with either family or a scheduling conflict – could request to be recused from being selected for the trial.
According to the prospective juror, who did not go on to serve on the jury, a significant number of Aboriginal people in the room asked to be disqualified, either because they had a relationship with Colten Boushie’s family or because of other circumstances that made them unavailable.
The person estimates that more than half of the Aboriginal people were granted permission by the judge to be exempt from the trial and free to go home.
As the prospective jury describes, some of the remaining 45 or so were vocal in expressing their bias and signalling to everyone in the room they were unfit to serve on the jury.
“You could audibly hear some of them talking amongst themselves, discussing how they were going to hang Stanley, or they were going to make sure he gets hung, or that if they don’t get the results they want, that they were going to handle it themselves,” the person said of the Aboriginal people who remained. This account comes from one individual who spoke with the Sun, and has not yet been corroborated by other witnesses.
“The thing that was the most shocking to me was the fact that they were so audible from where I was sitting (across the room) and there were police scattered throughout the room. No one stopped them.”
The jury’s acquittal elicited a variety of strong reactions from Canadians online. Over the weekend, lawyers and other experts criticized Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould for issuing social media posts that appeared to criticize the jury’s decision.
On Monday, Wilson-Raybould said changes to jury selection were coming soon. “We are looking at peremptory challenges,” she said, also noting that those changes would aim to “substantially improve the criminal system and the jury selection process.”
But according to the prospective juror, the selection process was random and seemed fair. Of the remaining potential jurors, “everyone was assigned a number and they literally pulled numbers from a bucket. It was totally random,” the person said, whose own number was not selected.
Some media outlets have reported that every prospective juror who appeared to be Aboriginal was challenged and essentially vetoed by the defense council.
The prospective juror also dismissed that idea, suggesting the defence council challenged individuals who had made openly biased comments. Besides, the person added, “they were challenging white people too.”
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Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
Lol, trying to get a native to wake up early and attend court to be a juror. And show up every day when mandated, not be late, not be drunk.... Pardon my stereotypical racist infused view but I say that because of the high probably of truth. Are there those at the opposite end of the spectrum; fuck ya. But if you're trying to get some from rural Saskatchewan, or really rural anywhere... Ya good luck.
I did a job up in the high arctic and the safety crew (don't even get me going down this path) decided we needed bear monitors. They toured around to a lot of communities in the arctic to try and recruit bear monitors.
A bear monitor is literally a guy with a gun who's supposed to deter the wildlife, it's a fucking joke really. If you are native there are no prerequisites except maybe having a firearm license but don't quote me on that. And they make good money ($450/day I believe), way more than I make aviatin and I had my own gun so really didn't need the fuckers.
Now, they weren't able to recruit any people from the communities (my memory is fuzzy, they may indeed have snagged a couple.. Literally 1 or 2). The reason being? They all failed the fucking drug tests, they couldn't stay sober for one fucking day to piss in a cup. And I remember he said that some passed but they never heard from them again. I'm gonna throw a very rough number out but I think it was something like 30-40'ish people that they selected to be bear monitors and that needed to pass the drug test.
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