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^ The areas you listed don’t exist... there is no 4 Road and Bridgeport, it’s an overpass... and 5 and Bridgeport is a Gas station and car wash and industrial zoned office warehouses.
Every single property is a million dollar property now, this argument makes no sense. There’s several of these developments on Main St in Vancouver and that hasn’t stopped Main St from becoming the most “hipster” place on earth.
T&T supermarket and a bunch of banks and Alexandra style food places is considered hipster by the oval? I don’t think so...
The actual solution IMO is universal basic income. Some people just can't "be a part of the work force". And for some, it's not about "picking yourself up by the bootstraps and get to work" or "if you don't like this job we give you, live on the streets"
UBI will set everyone up with very basic living expenses. If you want to be a lazy piece of shit, go ahead. At least you aren't bothering anyone else. If you want to take your new free time that was once spent digging ditches or making burgers, and spending it on something that will make you (and society) better, you can do so without having to worry about starving to death. One issue would be drug use, but that can be somewhat mitigated with regular testing to stay eligible, etc.
It's coming anyway, Canada might as well lead the way. As more jobs become automated, less "don't like it but do it anyway" jobs will become non existent. Then you have the 'bootstraps' people joining with the lazy people, simply because they can't find work. And that's not even taking into consideration the birth rate getting lower and lower.
How is working for what you receive a Soviet concept?
This country is forecast for (and are already seeing) a huge labor shortage.
Can you explain how a "free" basic income will help to offset that?
Because they seem completely at odds with each other to me.
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^ The areas you listed don’t exist... there is no 4 Road and Bridgeport, it’s an overpass... and 5 and Bridgeport is a Gas station and car wash and industrial zoned office warehouses.
Every single property is a million dollar property now, this argument makes no sense. There’s several of these developments on Main St in Vancouver and that hasn’t stopped Main St from becoming the most “hipster” place on earth.
T&T supermarket and a bunch of banks and Alexandra style food places is considered hipster by the oval? I don’t think so...
I believe Greater Vancouver is implementing a mixed income strategy. Which will help devalue property.
We'll probably be seeing a lot more protests..
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it is a poor choice for the homeless shelter. that area right now is full of 1/2-1 million dollar condos/apartments/townhouses. Its also close to the oval and is considered a real "hipster" place. Obviously any shelter in that location would greatly decrease property values so I can see why the nieghbourhood is all up in arms about it.
They should move all those shelters to bridgeport rd / no 4 / no5 area.
Oh boo hoo.
Unless "hipster" and "fob" are interchangeable concepts to you, no part of Richmond is a "hipster" place.
I'm guessing the reason for why they want the shelter to be there is the access to transit, social services, etc.
No point giving housing to the homeless unless they can be near public transit to get to work.... isn't that the whole point of homeless shelters? Get people back on their feet? If their commute is next to impossible the project will surely fail.
"I get it and I get it but I also get what you're saying"
I understand the concern of these people because im probably guilty of feeling the same way if I live in an area that is proposing having junkie housing. But, still not a reason to start spartan kicking people around.
This is one of those situations where people will always have something biased to say until the same incident happens to them, close to home.
I think the best solution for this issue is to grab a cold beer, pan sear a ribeye to medium rare, roast some potatoes + bell peppers and season with salt & pepper, turn on the TV, watch a good sports game, and cry inside but look happy on the outside.
Also, all chinese residents of richmond should be required to provide shelter for at least 1 homeless person within their home
If by homeless people you mean healthy, able, adults, with no jobs, means of income or shelter, then I'm pretty sure they already do. Does it matter if they're their kids?
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If by homeless people you mean healthy, able, adults, with no jobs, means of income or shelter, then I'm pretty sure they already do. Does it matter if they're their kids?
"I get it and I get it but I also get what you're saying"
I understand the concern of these people because im probably guilty of feeling the same way if I live in an area that is proposing having junkie housing. But, still not a reason to start spartan kicking people around.
This is one of those situations where people will always have something biased to say until the same incident happens to them, close to home.
I think the best solution for this issue is to grab a cold beer, pan sear a ribeye to medium rare, roast some potatoes + bell peppers and season with salt & pepper, turn on the TV, watch a good sports game, and cry inside but look happy on the outside.
I don't think there's anything to be 'guilty' of.
If the government wanted to develop one of these in my neighborhood, I would absolutely do everything in my power (aside from violence, of course) to oppose it.
And I've got nothing against the homeless. But if I wanted to move to a housing project, I would have done so. The fact that the government is forcing this on residents, I find completely egregious.
+1 on that medium rare ribeye. Definitely my favorite cut slather it with some Sweet Baby Ray's honey BBQ sauce, pinch of Montreal steak spice, a crisp Vlasic dill pickle on the side
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Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
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How is working for what you receive a Soviet concept?
This country is forecast for (and are already seeing) a huge labor shortage.
Can you explain how a "free" basic income will help to offset that?
Because they seem completely at odds with each other to me.
Being forced to work at specific jobs? That's about as Soviet as it gets! Mao took it to the extreme, turning everyone into steel workers! Scholars, teachers, artists, you're all steel workers now. Don't like it too bad
As for the labour shortage, I am talking about the grand scheme of things. 20-30-50 years down the road.
I'm mostly talking about overall concept which is why I didn't even address the shelter itself.
Maybe a combination of our ideas will work the best - your Soviet strategy eventually turns into mine?
Being forced to work at specific jobs? That's about as Soviet as it gets! Mao took it to the extreme, turning everyone into steel workers! Scholars, teachers, artists, you're all steel workers now. Don't like it too bad
As for the labour shortage, I am talking about the grand scheme of things. 20-30-50 years down the road.
I'm mostly talking about overall concept which is why I didn't even address the shelter itself.
Maybe a combination of our ideas will work the best - your Soviet strategy eventually turns into mine?
You're pulling my leg, yes?
You're comparing the gulags, and life under Mao, where a PRISONER would be slaughtered for disobeying, to being given the choice to work for shelter and food?
Sorry, bud. But there's a huge difference. The people have a choice to work. If they don't like it, they can leave and live on the street.
Just like everyone else has a choice to work or live on the street.
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Silver is the money of gentlemen;
Barter is the money of peasants;
But debt is the money of slaves.
-Norm Franz
You're comparing the gulags, and life under Mao, where a PRISONER would be slaughtered for disobeying, to being given the choice to work for shelter and food?
Sorry, bud. But there's a huge difference. The people have a choice to work. If they don't like it, they can leave and live on the street.
Just like everyone else has a choice to work or live on the street.
That's not what I was getting to, but nevermind
And I shouldn't have brought up Mao, because it became distracting. MB for posting before fully waking up
The actual solution IMO is universal basic income. Some people just can't "be a part of the work force". And for some, it's not about "picking yourself up by the bootstraps and get to work" or "if you don't like this job we give you, live on the streets"
UBI will set everyone up with very basic living expenses. If you want to be a lazy piece of shit, go ahead. At least you aren't bothering anyone else. If you want to take your new free time that was once spent digging ditches or making burgers, and spending it on something that will make you (and society) better, you can do so without having to worry about starving to death. One issue would be drug use, but that can be somewhat mitigated with regular testing to stay eligible, etc.
It's coming anyway, Canada might as well lead the way. As more jobs become automated, less "don't like it but do it anyway" jobs will become non existent. Then you have the 'bootstraps' people joining with the lazy people, simply because they can't find work. And that's not even taking into consideration the birth rate getting lower and lower.
Damn, I usually agree with you but I just can’t on this. Giving people a universal base income will just breed the same problem Canada has with aboriginals. I really do think people won’t have an insentive to do anything if you give them a paycheque if they never had it to begin with when sleeping in the gutter. Of course there will be exceptions to the rule, it’s not black and white
went into the petro can around granville and 3 road to buy a bag of ice, then comes out and what looks to be a homeless person in his mid/late 30s comes up and asks if I have any change. The guy looked more muscular than me, have all 4 limbs, looks to be in great health, and instead of going to find work is out asking for change. Honestly I really have no sympathy for these types of "homeless" i mean, get a job and work like everyone else.
I don't think there's anything to be 'guilty' of.
If the government wanted to develop one of these in my neighborhood, I would absolutely do everything in my power (aside from violence, of course) to oppose it.
And I've got nothing against the homeless. But if I wanted to move to a housing project, I would have done so. The fact that the government is forcing this on residents, I find completely egregious.
+1 on that medium rare ribeye. Definitely my favorite cut slather it with some Sweet Baby Ray's honey BBQ sauce, pinch of Montreal steak spice, a crisp Vlasic dill pickle on the side
me too, I don't want projects being built next to my multimillion dollar house that i've worked my ass off for. To me its like the government is telling it's citizens if they want to live in a nice neighborhood, just be lazy and become homeless instead of working hard and become a contributing member of society. I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for being homeless. Everyone has the power to live a life they want, regardless of your health. If you're homeless at 40+ that's your own damn fault for being a lazy fuk and making poor choices in life. My mom came to canada in the early 80s with $100 bucks in her pocket and worked 3 jobs to get her foot planted. If a 40 year old chinese woman with no english skills and non ideal health can succeed here in those conditions then any able bodied person can definitely pull themselves off the streets.
Welcome to her Majesties Caliphate.. making people homeless has been business as usually way before the Opium Wars and this is isnt going to change.
Once the inheritance has been siphon its to the Canadian prison plantations were you get a few dollars (enough to buy a Kit Kat bar and coke ) for a whole days work.
And I shouldn't have brought up Mao, because it became distracting. MB for posting before fully waking up
Sorry, you've struck a nerve. And it's because I know there are so many 'well meaning' individuals out there who actually believe this.
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I'm mostly talking about overall concept which is why I didn't even address the shelter itself.
Let's talk about the overall concept.
Let's say tomorrow I gave you a gold medal for doing absolutely nothing. How much would you appreciate that free gold medal?
Then let's say you had to train, everyday, for several years to win that same medal. How would you feel about the medal then?
That concept is universal to all things. Car. Home. Money.
The value we feel for anything is relative to the effort it took to achieve it.
Effort, consequence, and reward are detrimental aspects of responsibility.
This countries economy is extremely volatile right now. Household debt just hit a new record high at the end of '17. Our GDP is 20% based in real estate (13% housing 7% construction). Interest rates are rising. That 20% is on very shaky ground. And our number one trading partner is moving in the complete opposite direction.
Forgive me for saying, but when I hear comments regarding more 'free' government funds, it just sounds completely derelict.
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Let's say tomorrow I gave you a gold medal for doing absolutely nothing.
This is where I stopped reading.
The concept isn't about making people feel like they've accomplished something for nothing.
It's about making sure people can have a normal life.
You'd be blown away if you realized how many people in the world simply can't earn enough for the very basics of life - food and rent. Even the most hard working people, who end up with several jobs and spending the majority of time working, earn maybe enough for the bare minimum. More likely, they go further and further into debt instead, and end up with less than nothing when all is said and done.
It's not just the people who need incentive as 320 put it. It's regular every day people that you see most of the time but never interact with. The majority is actually far worse off than people who have the time and means to hit up revscene for a discussion like this.
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It's regular every day people that you see most of the time but never interact with. The majority is actually far worse off than people who have the time and means to hit up revscene for a discussion like this.
My respect for you went up a few notches.
So many people on RS don't have the ability to see things from other people's points of view or have an understanding of what others go through.
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slather it with some Sweet Baby Ray's honey BBQ sauce, pinch of Montreal steak spice, a crisp Vlasic dill pickle on the side 
