China congratulated Biden yesterday

Here's an editorial Traum and others may find worth reading: President Biden will stand with Hong Kong – more effectively than Trump ever did

I made the point before, but I think Trump's "tough stance" on China was only ever to make himself look good (and his "supportive of Xi" stance was to do the same). It just happened to be supported by a bipartisan movement in the US govt. The bipartisan stance on China is still there, and Biden will be part of that, in addition to working with Taiwan and Japan and others in the region, instead of just performing to his own interests.

I think China would have preferred a Trump victory, because even though he's a pain in their ass, he makes America weak and divided. Biden will probably be more consistent with certain issues, and will be working with other countries rather than just talking shit and doing shit that doesn't really make sense.

Bill Gates saw a 20 fold gain in vaccines.
Claimed it was "the best investment ever".
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/bill...c-benefit.html

Mikemhg,

I think Trump is still choking ZTE in addition to Huawei:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN22P2KG

from May 2020:
The Business Insider article that you included is co-written by a Mainland Chinese professor. I always look at articles and sources with ties to China with a grain of salt. The same goes for stats that comes out of China.

Also, China has officially congratulated Biden on his win at least 12 hours ago.

As far as real and measurable achievement against China is concerned, the most significant ones are the semiconductor bans and the ousting of Huawei tech further infrastructure. China has no manufacturing capability to produce any modern semiconductor chips. I am probably mistaken with the specific numbers, but I believe Chinese firms can at most produce semiconductor chips in the 20nm+ range with low yield rates, and the majority of their production capacity being less capable than producing those 20-something nm product. The state-of-the-art mass production semiconductors are at least 4 - 5 generations ahead at 5nm.

These don't just go into your latest iPhones. They will also have wide ranging impact on other technology-related aspects in everyday life if the bans were to continue.

When Biden says he will "force China to play by international rules" during his debate with Trump, my eyes just rolled. How does he plan on achieving that? Anyone familiar with how Communist China behaves know that it will only bow to real, material pain and consequences. Threats do not work until those threats become real, material pain. Negotiations do not work because Communist China always just plays the long game and tries to stall you out, all the while continuing to steal or otherwise sabotage / subverge the established situation. Biden has said he’ll review the tariffs but hasn’t specified a plan. But what is there to review when the tariffs and sanctions are already clearly working?

Biden is a career politician, and I tend to take everything career politicians say with a grain of salt. I'd much rather believe in concrete action that has proven to be effective.

China is down to 14NM depending on how you measure.

So the CCP respects American democracy more than the GOP KEKW

Biden's leads as of this morning

AZ: 12K
GA: 14K
WI: 21K
NV: 37K
PA: 60K
MI: 146K

Leads the popular vote by 5.4 million, with 78 million votes overall

Said months ago when the USPS fuckery started happen that it would backfire, and the Dems would win because it would drive more people to vote absentee than ever before. Looks like that's exactly what happened (because based on polls, corona wasn't the biggest issue with voters).

It just took a while longer to see the results. OOPS! KEKW

It's over, time for Trump to concede and move on to working on his defense of upcoming criminal charges

You didn't read the article did you? He's talking about economic benefit, not profit from manufacturing and selling vaccines.

It’s not much, but thanks Trump

https://i.imgur.com/sHeTSDY.png

lol? I didn't even mention Biden at all in my statement. The making of this vaccine literally has nothing to do with either of them. That's my point. The vaccine was going to be made regardless of any "incentives". Also, when it comes to something that'll be injected into your body do you really think hurrying things along is the way to go...? Distribution isn't exactly some huge benefit to be offered. Shouldn't the government help do this anyways...? Because you know, it kind of affects the entire nation and all.

Trump's angle in all of this is comical because he only did it for his own benefit. Need proof? He literally raged after the announcement that Pfizer had deliberately delayed the news until after the election. Rather than congratulate and thank the staff at Pfizer, that was his reaction. Obviously he wanted to be able to use this news to somehow bolster his horrific handling of the virus. Again, he didn't actually do anything other than offer what he should have been doing to begin with. Also, it creates the incorrect notion that political pressure would speed along progress. That creates doubt in the public about whether or not it's actually safe to use.

Skepticism will definitely be a legitimate concern. Luckily the studies can be read and interpreted by professionals in healthcare and if they're comfortable with the findings then you should be too. I've literally got coworkers who read studies in their free time so they'll absolutely be interested in seeing the details on this vaccine.

The main concern right now is how to maintain the cold chain. For those who don't know what this is, it simply means maintaining the same temperature from the manufacturer, to the supplier, to the transporter, to the end user (pharmacies, hospitals, etc). This Pfizer vaccine needs to stay at -70C. As far as I know, hardly anyone has such equipment as it is completely unnecessary for the vast majority. So that means everyone in the chain needs to figure out how to keep it at that temperature if they do indeed go with this vaccine. If the other vaccines being made don't require such a low temperature, they'll likely go with them instead. Less hassle.

This sums up how Trumps legal farce is going...

Same thing happened in AZ when they tried to submit thousands of online affidavits as testimony, the argument being that because they are confirmed by CAPTCHA tests, they should be considered... The judge was not buying it and threw it out

The whole thing is a farce, and again it's just dog whistling to rile up the most ignorant of supporters.

Circus is rolling in for the MAGA march...

The Biden comment is meant to point out the bias and double standards that the media and the anti-Trump crowd have against Trump throughout the election. Of course, you can choose to selectively disregard that.

Again, why am I not surprised at an anti-Trump person's selective bias in choosing to focus on the negative?


Yes, the tweet didn't congratulate and thank the staff at Pfizer, but it was a celebratory one nonetheless. Is a tweet like that not appropriate enough? Again, of course you can choose to think that he must directly congratulate Pfizer and their staff on the promising results.

The 2 people behind the vaccine are muslium. He left that out too. How many billions did he give them?

The history matters.

He has routinely stood up in front of the press and said that HE is going to have the vaccine soon.. he also said that Pfizer purposely held back the vaccine until after election day to screw him over. He also teamed his comment up with pretty much what he bases his entire presidency on -- bragging about the stock market going up because that's all that matters to him every single day.

You still this he's altruistic in any way?

I imagine a REAL president would have tweeted "Congratulations to the people at Pfizer, including Ugur Sahin and Özlem Türeci the brilliant husband and wife team who have come up with the most promising vaccine results yet! We will update on a release to the public as testing continues!"

Didn't Pfizer say they were going to leave any announcements until after the election because they didn't want it politicised? It could be argued that that in itself is being political :lol

Trump is a narcissist. A person would be stupid to think that he is alturistic in any way, and I have certainly never said or even remotely considered him to be alturistic in any way.

For the sake of discussion, of course it would have been great if the POTUS were an alturistic person. In practice, I'd argue that alturism is not at all an important quality for the POTUS. (Instead, some amount of compassion would be far more useful to the POTUS, but of course, compassion is something I do not believe Trump has in any sort of abundance.) As long as his policies are effective and able to benefit his citizens, that alone would make him a good president. As I have said before, Trump has done some good stuff, some bad stuff, and a heck of a lot of crazy stuff.

As a comment going back to Westopher regarding the economy, the myriad of problems that you described is not unique to the US -- it is a tricky problem that every capitalistic country faces. It is in fact a problem that is happen around much of the developed world. It just so happens that US is quite a capitalistic country, more so than it was before in the past, and that increasingly capitalistic trend has been happening at least since the Ronald Regan days. For what it is worth, it is both a US strength as well as a weakness.

As a somewhat related note, the following might also be of interest:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52907646

This isn't Trump tooting his own success, and you can argue that some of the ground work was laid down by Obama. But the numbers are what the numbers are. It would still be a fair comment to say that Trump threw all of this success down the drain with his poor handling of the pandemic, but I would consider that to fall under a different issue.

BBC US Election 2020: The 'dead voters' in Michigan who are still alive
At this point if you put more than zero consideration into trump's claims you should just "give your head a shake" and stop it. Don't join the cult, whether by choice or just being bamboozled LUL

The rationale these people use........ :fulloffuck:

^ peaceful protesting? I prefer that over burning, looting, and destroying people's property like the 'others' did, in the name of equality.

Why bother having a conversation with people like that, there's no way they'll ever change their minds.

The far left and the far right are the worst kind of people. Thankfully there is still a small group in the middle who are willing to have a conversation, listen to facts, and open to having their opinion on a matter be changed. Unfortunately those numbers are dwindling and all we'll be left with is overly sensitive pussies on one side, and a bunch of uneducated idiots on the other.

Thankfully I’d say 90% of Canada falls on that line. The only people unwilling to hold a conversation are the frenchies for the bloc, and the fuck Trudeau Albertan’a

trumps supporters beating up people in D.C. What happened to peaceful protests?

Bahahaha... Righties get physical with others during protest: "What happened to peaceful protests?"

Lefties wreck cars, loot stores, burn down places: Totally justifiable.

:fuckthatshit:

Are they fighting each other?