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Originally Posted by RevYouUp  I’m curious, do you guys all hate ICE? I can see why they need ICE in the US. They just have a terrible image now from Trump. I don’t believe the backlash was as bad as before Trumps term | Do you genuinely believe that what ICE is doing today in Minneapolis is immigration control? What border is Minneapolis near? What evidence is there that Minneapolis has an illegal immigration problem that justifies going door to door breaking into homes and arresting people without warrants (or proof)? What justifies stopping random vehicles on the streets and pulling their drivers out without evidence? What justifies putting grenades into civilian vehicles randomly?
America, like all nations, needs to control its borders to protect from illegal immigration where crime and exploitation are involved. More than half of the people that ICE has been detaining have no criminal record and many (most) are actually US citizens (some born in the US). Under Obama and Biden more people were deported from the US than under Trump yet we didn't see public executions and we didn't see illegal arrests and detainments. There was backlash then too but when you're not executing people in the streets then there will be less backlash. Your "both side-isms" is just bullshit.
What's happening now in Minneapolis (and previously Chicago and Los Angeles) is not immigration control. It's state sponsored terrorism against civilians.
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One pic was from I’m assuming real nazis executing someone and one pic is untrained law enforcement trying to protect themselves assuming the worst. I’m not downplaying the situation, the nazi comparison doesn’t do it for me
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ICE has been around since 2003, that guy that shot Good was a 10 year agent (from memory of something I read, could be slightly inaccurate, but he's no a n00b) so it's not JUST a training issue... it's a mandate and authoritative permissions issue in addition to really poor training.
We just never heard of them before because they were enforcing borders and immigration mostly properly as they should at the border and some operations here and there.
The problem is now they are being used as a masked terrorists and they're not enforcing borders anymore, they're targeting minorities and anyone who supports them. They're not ICE anymore as ICE is supposed to be, they're a gestappo with government funding.
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Originally Posted by RevYouUp One pic was from I’m assuming real nazis executing someone and one pic is untrained law enforcement trying to protect themselves assuming the worst. I’m not downplaying the situation, the nazi comparison doesn’t do it for me | Maybe you should read up about how the Gestapo was formed and what they did. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conte...rticle/gestapo
ICE is now a police force with self declared immunity against criminal acts (the DOJ refuses to investigate any crimes by them) that reports directly to the executive (Trump) and is being deployed selectively to areas where Trump has political opposition. It has the power to detain and imprison people without evidence (detainees are dying every 3 days in their custody). It is able to withhold legal counsel from any detainees and has been ignoring court orders to release detainees. It can now carry out public executions without penalty.
It currently is allowed to bypass the 1st amendment, the 2nd amendment, and the 4th amendment - again, they are being allowed to ignore not only the laws of the country but the rules that law enforcement are required to follow. Quote:
The Gestapo fulfilled their mission in a radical way. In Nazi Germany, they used common police investigation methods. However, they did so without legal limits. They pursued denunciations from the public. They carried out arbitrary searches. And they conducted brutal interrogations. In the end, Gestapo agents held the fate of the people they arrested in their hands.
During the course of an investigation, Gestapo officers interviewed witnesses, searched homes and apartments, and conducted surveillance. In Nazi Germany, there were no limits to these activities. The Gestapo did not need a warrant to read a suspect’s mail, enter a home, or listen to telephone conversations.
Gestapo agents had the power to determine people’s fates. Individual agents could choose to be lenient. They could let people go, dismiss cases, or issue warnings and fines.
But Gestapo agents could also choose to be ruthless. They could detain someone in prison indefinitely or condemn someone to a concentration camp. The only monitoring of these decisions came from within the Gestapo itself.
In the first two years of the Nazi regime, the Gestapo did not focus on policing Germany’s Jewish population. At that time, the Gestapo’s priority was policing political opponents. The Gestapo did arrest some Jews in 1933 and 1934.
| The last bit is where we are today, and tomorrow it'll be the rest of Americans who oppose Trump.
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Originally Posted by supafamous Do you genuinely believe that what ICE is doing today in Minneapolis is immigration control? What border is Minneapolis near? What evidence is there that Minneapolis has an illegal immigration problem that justifies going door to door breaking into homes and arresting people without warrants (or proof)? What justifies stopping random vehicles on the streets and pulling their drivers out without evidence? What justifies putting grenades into civilian vehicles randomly?
America, like all nations, needs to control its borders to protect from illegal immigration where crime and exploitation are involved. More than half of the people that ICE has been detaining have no criminal record and many (most) are actually US citizens (some born in the US). Under Obama and Biden more people were deported from the US than under Trump yet we didn't see public executions and we didn't see illegal arrests and detainments. There was backlash then too but when you're not executing people in the streets then there will be less backlash. Your "both side-isms" is just bullshit.
What's happening now in Minneapolis (and previously Chicago and Los Angeles) is not immigration control. It's state sponsored terrorism against civilians. | I agree with you. However, before Renee Good was murdered, there were already protests against ICE and impeding of their operations. The back lash was already huge before that. The murder just snowballed everything and now it probably won’t stop. I believe in peaceful protests, I don’t believe in the obstruction of ICE operations. Media has amplified everything and more people will continue to lose their lives. It’s either ICE leaves the state or protestors stand down, I don’t see either happening anytime soon
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Originally Posted by supafamous Maybe you should read up about how the Gestapo was formed and what they did. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/conte...rticle/gestapo
ICE is now a police force with self declared immunity against criminal acts (the DOJ refuses to investigate any crimes by them) that reports directly to the executive (Trump) and is being deployed selectively to areas where Trump has political opposition. It has the power to detain and imprison people without evidence (detainees are dying every 3 days in their custody). It is able to withhold legal counsel from any detainees and has been ignoring court orders to release detainees. It can now carry out public executions without penalty.
It currently is allowed to bypass the 1st amendment, the 2nd amendment, and the 4th amendment - again, they are being allowed to ignore not only the laws of the country but the rules that law enforcement are required to follow.
The last bit is where we are today, and tomorrow it'll be the rest of Americans who oppose Trump. | I can see why people are fear mongering, but I believe all of it is exaggerated. All this fear is just leading to more deaths. We know Trump is a terrible person but, I don’t believe trump will round up regular citizens and put them in gas chambers, that’s a bit too far fetched for me to believe
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Originally Posted by RevYouUp I agree with you. However, before Renee Good was murdered, there were already protests against ICE and impeding of their operations. The back lash was already huge before that. The murder just snowballed everything and now it probably won’t stop. I believe in peaceful protests, I don’t believe in the obstruction of ICE operations. Media has amplified everything and more people will continue to lose their lives. It’s either ICE leaves the state or protestors stand down, I don’t see either happening anytime soon | The backlash existed because Minneapolis isn't the first city Trump has tried to terrorise. It started with LA and Chicago which, surprise, surprise, are cities that are Liberal and lead by major critics of Trump (Newsom and Pritzker).
ICE tried to do the same thing they're doing in Minneapolis in those cities and there were protests there too but ICE had to back down as the police forces there were far larger than ICE (at the time). ICE outnumbers the Minneapolis policy 5:1 so they have free run of the city now.
This has been a ramp-up of activity through the first year of Trump and Trump has now found a city small enough to terrorise.
re: Obstructing ICE operations - do you believe the ICE operations today are legitimate and legal? 73% of the people they have detained have no criminal record. Many are US citizens. None are being read their rights. They are using methods of detainment that would be illegal if used by police or military.
If you believe these actions are legitimate and legal please explain why.
If you believe they are illiegal and illegitimate then why shouldn't citizens obstruct it?
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Originally Posted by supafamous The backlash existed because Minneapolis isn't the first city Trump has tried to terrorise. It started with LA and Chicago which, surprise, surprise, are cities that are Liberal and lead by major critics of Trump (Newsom and Pritzker).
ICE tried to do the same thing they're doing in Minneapolis in those cities and there were protests there too but ICE had to back down as the police forces there were far larger than ICE (at the time). ICE outnumbers the Minneapolis policy 5:1 so they have free run of the city now.
This has been a ramp-up of activity through the first year of Trump and Trump has now found a city small enough to terrorise.
re: Obstructing ICE operations - do you believe the ICE operations today are legitimate and legal? 73% of the people they have detained have no criminal record. Many are US citizens. None are being read their rights. They are using methods of detainment that would be illegal if used by police or military.
If you believe these actions are legitimate and legal please explain why.
If you believe they are illiegal and illegitimate then why shouldn't citizens obstruct it? | I don’t believe that their methods of detainment are legitimate. But the worst case as a citizen is that you’ll be detained and eventually let go. They’re making it sound like you’ll never see the light of day again and be executed while being detained. Again, fear mongering.
That’s still 27% of non-citizens being arrested, some with history of violence, pedos, sex and drug traffickers? What if the citizens are obstructing those arrests? At what point do citizens know who they should protect and not? ICE is definitely in the wrong for making wrong arrests.
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Originally Posted by RevYouUp I can see why people are fear mongering, but I believe all of it is exaggerated. All this fear is just leading to more deaths. We know Trump is a terrible person but, I don’t believe trump will round up regular citizens and put them in gas chambers, that’s a bit too far fetched for me to believe | He's ALREADY rounding up regular CITIZENS! Back in October they were already up to 170 citizens that had been detained! People held without right to counsel. https://www.propublica.org/article/i...d-against-will https://www.fox26houston.com/news/cu...omicide-report Quote: |
EL PASO, Texas - The death of a Cuban national at a federal immigration detention camp in El Paso has been ruled a homicide, according to autopsy findings released Wednesday by the El Paso Medical Examiner’s office.
| They're already killing people in detention - they don't need gas chambers. If their local facilities aren't enough they'll send them to El Salvador. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cecot-...ions-9.7027759 Quote: |
Even before the U.S. was involved, many human rights organizations criticized El Salvador's prisons and especially CECOT. Groups have reported human rights violations including torture, mass trials and hundreds of inmate deaths.
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Originally Posted by supafamous | “ As for the U.S. deportations, lawyers for and relatives of the migrants sent to El Salvador say they are not gang members and that they had no opportunity to contest the U.S. government's assertion that they were”.
Yea that part is messed up, I can agree with that. But per the article “even before US was involved” that place was already messed up. Are you implying that all non republicans will be sent there and be forced to die? That’s pretty extreme
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I have my doubts about Trump actually mass executing people as well.......... but the problem is a slippery slope whatever you see in front of you right now is the pointy tip of the spear if left uncontrolled.. and if he (Trump) suddenly... leaves this world, and someone like, say, Stephen Miller for all intents and purposes takes charge... that is definitely a possibility with precedent already being set.
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Originally Posted by 68style We just never heard of them before because they were enforcing borders and immigration mostly properly as they should at the border and some operations here and there. | They weren't great before either, they're just a lot worse now that they're kidnapping 5 year olds to use as bait and murdering civilians in the street. Quote:
Originally Posted by RevYouUp That’s still 27% of non-citizens being arrested, some with history of violence, pedos, sex and drug traffickers? What if the citizens are obstructing those arrests? At what point do citizens know who they should protect and not? ICE is definitely in the wrong for making wrong arrests. | That means they're getting 73% of their job wrong? If any of us was that incompetent we'd be fired immediately. The regular cops should be the ones going after violent offenders, pedos, and traffickers and processing them correctly, not these clowns just fluking into getting some by grabbing people at random.
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Originally Posted by RevYouUp I don’t believe that their methods of detainment are legitimate. But the worst case as a citizen is that you’ll be detained and eventually let go. They’re making it sound like you’ll never see the light of day again and be executed while being detained. Again, fear mongering. | The worst case is you DIE in detainment. https://www.wola.org/2026/01/u-s-mex...december-data/ Quote: |
Thirty people in 2025, and six more so far in 2026, have died in an ICE detention system that has seen vastly reduced oversight and a several-month cutoff in payments to medical providers
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Originally Posted by RevYouUp That’s still 27% of non-citizens being arrested, some with history of violence, pedos, sex and drug traffickers? What if the citizens are obstructing those arrests? At what point do citizens know who they should protect and not? ICE is definitely in the wrong for making wrong arrests. | 5% of detainees have a record of violent crime so ICE currently has a 1 in 20 hit rate of actually capturing someone who's "bad". 6% of them have a traffic violation. BTW: Cute of you to throw in "pedos" into the list of crimes to try to make these detainees seem more dangerous but in the US being a pedophile gets your elected President.
Need I mention that immigrants, particularly illegal ones, have a lower crime rate than native born Americans? Kristi Noem says they are going after the "worst of the worst" yet their own data shows they are not - at best they are grossly incompetent (especially compared to Obama/Biden era enforcement) and she should be fired for her poor performance, at worst she is lying and deliberating targeting innocent people.
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If trump is a pedo he deserves to go to jail. Ya’ll always bring that in to anything. It’s like you think conservatives support pedos are something. Sounds hypocritical I know
Yea, we can agree that ICE is incompetent. However, you can also argue that letting any dangerous non-citizen roam is not good as well. How many deaths have non-citizens caused? Where are the protests for those victims? https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/mur...e-trends-2025/
The above would just reinforce any republicans justification for their vote. I’m not saying it’s right but I can see the argument from both sides
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I have to interrupt our debate with this gem that just came out from the Orange Pedophile: 
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#12166 | | Need to Shave n Shower, but I CANT STOP POSTING ON RS
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Originally Posted by RevYouUp If trump is a pedo he deserves to go to jail. Ya’ll always bring that in to anything. It’s like you think conservatives support pedos are something. Sounds hypocritical I know
| He is a 38 time convicted felon. Also conservatives do support pedos. Lots of his supporters have said they don't care he is a pedo. https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFs/...20Decision.pdf
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#12167 | | HELP ME PLS!!!
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Originally Posted by RevYouUp I don’t know why anyone would bring a firearm to protest knowing ICE is trigger friendly | You're a fucking idiot man, how come you always have to fall on the other side of the argument, and never can call out what is glaringly right or wrong? This isn't some stupid team sport.
Minnesota is an open carry state, these same MAGA fucks are the ones that espouse the idea of 2nd amendment rights. He had legal carry, and never reached for his weapon once.
So what, we're now saying 2nd amendment doesn't apply when it suits the argument to murder someone in cold blood?
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I take back the fucking idiot comment by the way, Rev.
That shooting has me hyped up, but I should keep it respectful.
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