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07-04-2018, 05:22 PM
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Thought it was basic income for Pilots, got excited... Turns out I prematured
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07-04-2018, 05:46 PM
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it's just NDP's way of staying in power by saying to the Greens "hey, we looked into it".
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07-04-2018, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero  the guy waiting hours at emerg for minor things isn't really there by choice so i'd hardly call that taking advantage of a system
the province/college of physicians are too poor/reluctant to train more doctors if you want to practice in an urban center | The guy going to emerg for a non treatable, run of the mill minor issue is the reason people are waiting for hours there. Its absolutely a choice to waste resources with no regard. Its like the people who call 911 because they have a flat tire, or their power went out. There will always be the lowest common denominator, but giving up good systems isn't the solution to prevent it.
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07-04-2018, 10:00 PM
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Seems contradictory to me that it's claimed UBI is necessary due to the looming fear of automation when we can't even keep up with the labor shortages (including low skilled) as it is.
We import labor from other countries, meanwhile pondering to pay citizens for doing absolutely nothing?
If people aren't willing to take the jobs available without a "free" monthly income, why on earth would people be enticed to take them with one?
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07-04-2018, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by westopher The guy going to emerg for a non treatable, run of the mill minor issue is the reason people are waiting for hours there. Its absolutely a choice to waste resources with no regard. Its like the people who call 911 because they have a flat tire, or their power went out. There will always be the lowest common denominator, but giving up good systems isn't the solution to prevent it. | hang nail or runny nose don't get precedence over real emerg...so why can't they be re-directed...because so few clinics take new patients and walk-ins aren't much faster
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07-04-2018, 10:26 PM
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#31 | | I STILL don't get it
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Going a bit off topic but I have to agree. My ex was a nurse and she constantly complained about the number of people that came with just a common cold or seasonal flu. Likewise my wife and I have struggled to find a clinic that will take us as patients. I literally have to go to a walk in clinic, wait several hours only to then be referred to a specialist and wait another two weeks for an appointment. I love that healthcare is free for all but the system leaves more to be desired.
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07-05-2018, 06:10 AM
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I know its true, as I have heard so many people complain about it, but I have literally NEVER had to wait more than an hour at a walk in clinic.
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07-05-2018, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by welfare Seems contradictory to me that it's claimed UBI is necessary due to the looming fear of automation when we can't even keep up with the labor shortages (including low skilled) as it is.
We import labor from other countries, meanwhile pondering to pay citizens for doing absolutely nothing?
If people aren't willing to take the jobs available without a "free" monthly income, why on earth would people be enticed to take them with one? | Person 1 is on welfare.
Person 1 can work a minimum wage job which disqualifies them from welfare and other tax credits resulting in a measly 5% increase in yearly net income.
Person 1 chooses to stay on welfare.
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07-05-2018, 08:34 AM
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07-05-2018, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by westopher I know its true, as I have heard so many people complain about it, but I have literally NEVER had to wait more than an hour at a walk in clinic. | average wait time at the walk in clinic where my gp is, is 3-4 hours if you don't lineup before it opens.
i myself generally have to wait between 2-4 hours at any walk-in clinic i've been to.
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07-05-2018, 11:43 AM
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#36 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by iwantaskyline Person 1 is on welfare.
Person 1 can work a minimum wage job which disqualifies them from welfare and other tax credits resulting in a measly 5% increase in yearly net income.
Person 1 chooses to stay on welfare. | welfare has pretty strict employment enquiry requirements. it's expected that you're seeking work.
UBI has no such requirements. it's literally a cheque for doing nothing.
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07-05-2018, 01:07 PM
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#37 | | Willing to sell a family member for a few minutes on RS
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Originally Posted by iwantaskyline Person 1 is on welfare.
Person 1 can work a minimum wage job which disqualifies them from welfare and other tax credits resulting in a measly 5% increase in yearly net income.
Person 1 chooses to stay on welfare. | Bc welfare rates: $710 a month = $8520 per year
Minimum wage full time job = $25200 per year.
That’s not a 5% increase, and what you said isn’t how basic income works anyways.
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07-05-2018, 01:33 PM
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^I never stated it would be a full time job - I'm under the assumption most minimum wage jobs are part-time.
That said, I will admit I did not research any specific numbers - it was more of a hypothetical situation of someone on welfare.
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07-05-2018, 04:53 PM
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#39 | | Willing to sell a family member for a few minutes on RS
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That's the problem with all these hearsay issues with social assistance. Everyone talks about it as some sort of free ride, when all it really does for a person is help them not die from poverty.
There is nothing appealing about being on social assistance. Again though, compared to basic income, its not really relevant.
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07-05-2018, 05:31 PM
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Somehow people have a problem with preventing their fellow citizens from living at (or below) poverty, despite being in a wealthy, healthy nation  | |
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07-05-2018, 05:33 PM
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The DTES on a sunny summer day is the type of thing that turns me off supporting those types. While the majority im sure can do no better, there are plenty of people who simply leach off the system and know every loop hole there is to get the most from doing the least.
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07-05-2018, 05:46 PM
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#42 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp Somehow people have a problem with preventing their fellow citizens from living at (or below) poverty, despite being in a wealthy, healthy nation | What's preventing capable people from living below the poverty line now?
Given that the work is available.
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07-05-2018, 05:50 PM
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Mental health issues, disabilities, addiction all come to mind as a pretty reasonable group of adversities that prevent many people from doing that.
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07-05-2018, 05:58 PM
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#44 | | Willing to sell a family member for a few minutes on RS
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Originally Posted by Hondaracer The DTES on a sunny summer day is the type of thing that turns me off supporting those types. While the majority im sure can do no better, there are plenty of people who simply leach off the system and know every loop hole there is to get the most from doing the least. | I guess it comes down to a pessimistic/optimistic view on such an issue. Have you had actual personal interactions with some of these people?
I mean man, my fucking wife gets screamed at, insulted, etc by pieces of shit from that demographic daily, in the health care industry. It would be easy to just write off a whole group because of the behaviour of many, but the reality is, most of them are people with DISASTROUS trauma, and even with all that, most of those people do not have that malice. The malicious ones, yes I fucking hate them, but they are not the norm. Most are broken people that are facing addiction to cope with suffering, both mental and physical, and many of those addictions are caused by the medicate mentality that plagues our society, especially with opiates. I've sat down with people on a curb a few times when I was drunk, and just chatted. The only separation between some of us were my Mom gave me a chance to succeed, and I was wearing nicer clothes. One wrong turn, one line too many, one night of getting fucked up gone too far, and I could have been them.
We need to give people a better chance to succeed, and if they can't, I'd rather there be people taking advantage of the system, and living in a safer society, as desperation is a cause of so much crime.
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07-05-2018, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by westopher Mental health issues, disabilities, addiction all come to mind as a pretty reasonable group of adversities that prevent many people from doing that. | I added capable to my post.
Nonetheless, I'd have no issue with funding going towards programs/institutions for those who are seriously seeking help. And i mean actually utilizing them to become productive members of society.
I don't believe handing these people a paycheck, no strings attached, is a very responsible thing to do. Do you?
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Originally Posted by welfare What's preventing capable people from living below the poverty line now?
Given that the work is available. | If they were capable, they'd all be doing these jobs you keep bringing up.
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07-05-2018, 07:18 PM
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I think one of the main focuses on UBI should be the people just below the middle class income.
People currently living paycheck to paycheck, making a modest 20-30 per hour or whatever - what would UBI do for their lives?
Would many be able to afford post secondary and invest in themselves in other ways? Would many be able to perhaps start a business they otherwise wouldn't have the time for? That 18 year old with UBI who decides to focus on post secondary rather than working straight out of high-school. The potential med student who decides he can't afford another 4 years of school.
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07-05-2018, 07:24 PM
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#48 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp If they were capable, they'd all be doing these jobs you keep bringing up. | Ok so why not focus on the cause rather than the symptom?
Handing people money is not a solution to the reason they don't have it in the first place.
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07-05-2018, 07:27 PM
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#49 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Also, who gets UBI?
Everyone?
Those making under, say $30k?
If so, why would someone making say $35k work full time when they could get just about the same for doing nothing at all?
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07-05-2018, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by welfare Also, who gets UBI?
Everyone?
Those making under, say $30k?
If so, why would someone making say $35k work full time when they could get just about the same for doing nothing at all? | The U stands for Universal...so yes everyone.
Because everyone wants more money. I don't know about you (your name is welfare after all) but I would definitely continue working even if I received 30k in UBI yearly because that is definitely not enough to support my lifestyle or any lower mainland lifestyle really.
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