BC NDP to launch inquiry into pilot universal basic income

[welfare]

https://biv.com/article/2018/07/task...ranteed-income

The pilot project was one of the Green Party’s conditions in signing a Confidence and Supply Agreement with the NDP.

The government has allocated $4 million over two years for the study and has appointed three academics to head up a special task force: David Green, an economist at the University of British Columbia, Jonathan Rhys Kesselman, from the School of Public Policy at Simon Fraser University, and Lindsay Tedds, from the School of Public Policy at the University of Calgary.

[Badhobz]

jesus.. a welfare post by welfare

[GLOW]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

jesus.. a welfare post by welfare

[320icar]

Better raise the minimum wage to $23.50 to give insentive for anyone to get a job

[westopher]

I don't buy the argument that basic income gives people incentive not to work. You'd still be poor as fuck on it. I, like most people, would rather work, and be well off, than not work and be able to (sort of) survive.
There will most certainly be people that take advantage of the system, but people already do that by going to the emergency room for a cold, and we don't think that removing publicly funded healthcare is an appropriate reaction to that.

[twitchyzero]

the guy waiting hours at emerg for minor things isn't really there by choice so i'd hardly call that taking advantage of a system

the province/college of physicians are too poor/reluctant to train more doctors if you want to practice in an urban center

[RRxtar]

Universal basic income means higher taxes so nope sorry I've got no more tax money to pay. If you can restructure welfare and other expenses then sure but fuck right off with tax increases.

[Jmac]

Andrew Yang, an American tech entrepreneur, is seeking the Democratic nomination for president in 2020 and his main plank is a universal basic income that would give every American $1,000 a month.

Yang’s proposal is what Green calls a “demogrant” in which everyone, regardless of income level, receive a basic guaranteed income. Such a proposal might be more politically palatable, since every American voter would benefit, although the cost of the project is estimated at about $1 trillion, which Yang proposes to pay for through a new 10% value added tax.

Plans to introduce Basic Income, pay for it with regressive tax

[will068]

Originally Posted by RRxtar

Universal basic income means higher taxes so nope sorry I've got no more tax money to pay. If you can restructure welfare and other expenses then sure but fuck right off with tax increases.

Suppose the government does something extreme like raising any taxes related to residential property owned by foreigners (at a godly high enough rate so that it covers a lot of the welfare costs), do you think our provincial government can distribute this golden parachute properly ?

That's the thing, how much faith do you have in government in distributing tax money properly.

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by will068

That's the thing, how much faith do you have in government in distributing tax money properly.

I had zero faith before, but David Eby has shown that he legitimately has the best interests of BC's citizens in mind.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by Ch28

I had zero faith before, but David Eby has shown that he legitimately has the best interests of BC's citizens in mind.

Best interests of the citizens doesn't always mean is the right thing to do. Hell I am sure most people loves not to pay tax at all but that's not the best way to run things.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Mr.HappySilp

Best interests of the citizens doesn't always mean is the right thing to do. Hell I am sure most people loves not to pay tax at all but that's not the best way to run things.

What people want and what is best for the citizens doesn't even close to mean the same thing. I want to eat pizza 3x a day, but thats not whats best for me.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by RRxtar

Universal basic income means higher taxes so nope sorry I've got no more tax money to pay. If you can restructure welfare and other expenses then sure but fuck right off with tax increases.

You are who that would benefit then.

If you are lower income, the taxes you would be paying would be offset, and then some, by your basic income. Those that could afford it would be paying more taxes than the basic income would reinject into their own account.

Originally Posted by Jmac

Plans to introduce Basic Income, pay for it with regressive tax

Its a LITTLE more complex than that. I know how people on RS love to bitch about taxes, but its hilarious when they are mad about it without bothering to look at the math that would mean they'd actually have MORE money because of it.

[Hehe]

Basic income at this stage sounds a bit absurd.

Nevertheless, I think more studies are needed into the model (speaking from an economic POV) when the machine era arrives.

Within the scope of our lifetime, many entry level jobs (repetitive and systematic, ripe for machine/AI development) would be replaced by robots as it simply makes way more financial sense.

Basic income model would ultimately be introduced as people simply cannot find entry level jobs. Thus, finding the optimal model for it would totally be in our best interest.

I'm an NDP voter, I'd admit... but IMO this study should be done regardless who's in power.

[Hondaracer]

Joe Rogan has had numerous "experts" on this subject on and in general, it typically doesnt work.

lots of places in Europe etc. have dabbled with this idea and already have performed fairly major studies on this. I dont see this happening as a province only, smaller countries like the netherlands etc. i beleive have considered and researched it as a whole, but i really dont see this just being adopted as a provincial thing..

Just pissing away more money on studies that come back inconclusive :/

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by westopher

You are who that would benefit then.

If you are lower income, the taxes you would be paying would be offset, and then some, by your basic income. Those that could afford it would be paying more taxes than the basic income would reinject into their own account.



Its a LITTLE more complex than that. I know how people on RS love to bitch about taxes, but its hilarious when they are mad about it without bothering to look at the math that would mean they'd actually have MORE money because of it.

There is no math in that article. Regressive taxes like sales taxes disproportionately affect the poor, thus seems counterintuitive.

[yray]

how about a study to see if bcrdukes should be mod

burn money, study this study that... why not let universities do it and present to the gov't instead of getting random people off the street and giving them a stipend to bicker.

[smoothie.]

im all for it

more money for my aunts and uncles that dont work and live in mansions

[meme405]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Just pissing away more money on studies that come back inconclusive :/

Exactly. Waste of 4 million dollars. Just like the mobility tax studies were a waste of 1.2 million dollars.

Amazes me how nobody bats an eye at the cost of some of these reports.

A million dollars can employ a team of ~6-10 people for a year. So for 4 million dollars we are talking about employing a team of probably 25 people for a year, and we end up with some bullshit report that's 30 to 100 pages of essentially trash.

Might as well take that money and buy a fucking MRI machine or something and fuck off with your bullshit study.

[iwantaskyline]

UBI would be a promise of equal opportunity, not equal outcome, a new starting line set above the poverty line.

There are many other complex points of UBI that people don't understand...For example many government programs would be consolidated into UBI; child tax credits, mortgage assistance, welfare programs etc.

People strive to earn more than minimum wage, people would strive to earn more money than UBI.

[CivicBlues]

I dunno about you guys, but we'll be taking our UBI cheques and moving to Thailand/Nicaragua/Belize/(insert Low cost country) and doing shit all except live like kangz!

[smoothie.]

^

Have you been outside of canada since the last reporting period? X

[MarkyMark]

Seems a little early for this. Maybe in 20-30 years but this will in no way come to fruition anytime soon, so why waste 4 million dollars on it right now?

[westopher]

You have to understand how long it would take to implement. Especially with all the pushback from fiscally conservative citizens and government.

[Badhobz]

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