1) My god some people here think their car is getting VIed for being too sexy?! Do people think when people look at their rusted straight piped civic with a giant wing and plastidipped wheels that its too sexy?! I'm so glad I found this forum.

2) "you mean they some" - engrish?

3) Judging by your last post about "asking for it" and "women dressing too sexy" - you are somehow equating women to being harassed or assaulted to be similar to illegally (some illegal, some stock, some inbetween) modified cars getting told it is unsafe or way too loud? So first we got a guy comparing VIs to hitler and the holocaust, now to women asking for it? Impressive.

4) Apparently some people need to be taught this. Yes revving it past a cop with rattle can, no cats, yellow headlights/fogs, and 45 degree stance wheels is asking for for a ticket or VI. NO it is NOT the same as women dressing too sexy?!?!?!?! WTF????????

5) Unbelievable.

6) No I don't support VIs on minor mods or mods that are clearly safe/fine.

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For the record, most of the cars that got VI’s in this thread were minding their own business at the time and not revving or driving like ass clowns.

I just received a copy in my email. Without the top and bottom cut off. I will post that

Seems highly related to below.





https://www.abbynews.com/news/girl-1...in-abbotsford/



Honestly, I think if this is the narrative they want to take, I like it a lot better than this VPD bullshit. That being said, I have Hawk HP+ pads paired with good summer tires. I'll bet that I can stop a lot quicker on a single axle than a entire mid-sized SUV can. I can guarantee that it has saved me from tboning some dumbass Richmond drivers ( ).



I'd love for the government to re-evaluate modifications that provide a greater benefit, such modifications would be brakes, suspension tuning, and lights. All of which can provide a greater benefit than OEM. There's the argument that can be made that a properly modified vehicle can get out of dangerous situations better than a stock car - simply because it is more capable. Like Speedstar, I think it's absolutely ridiculous the things they are saying contribute to fatal deaths.

Without the top and bottom of the image, you lose some of the context. Seems like it was mainly sent to vehicle dealerships. But still, some of it is vague/grey.
https://mvsabc.com/

https://i.imgur.com/YZH4zsf.png

By the way, about the lights. As is i am from another part of the globe, i would like to note, that almost all North American headlights are garbage. They are mostly blind and somehow blinding the incoming traffic. European light is waaay better.

Another thing, is side mirrors are mostly flat(May be i am wrong here), while in Europe (and often japan) they have curves and edges, that drastically decreases blind zones, so you can drive without shoulder checks.

So tell me a crap regarding safe NA standards.

Not sure if im interpreting this wrong, but I actually agree that NA safety standards are crap LOL.

By the lights, I mean older vehicles that only had crappy halogen lights. I would think the best method to increase light out put would be to use new headlight lens (might not always be DOT stamped but honestly what difference does it make), use a higher output lumens halogen bulb, install projectors and AIM IT PROPERLY.

As for mirrors, on my 2015 Honda Civic, the left mirror's far left edge is actually a convex mirror, decreasing blind spots. Issue is that people in NA are mostly uneducated about how to properly set up their mirrors. Mirrors on my E46 are flat, but euro mirrors are curved.

Believe me, it has nothing to do with the halogen, actually hallogen is not bad as many people think. For example yellow light penetrate the fog and rain better and it is more easy on eyes. It is a light pattern bad on most of the cars (even new). Usually it is flat line, while euro light has a beam that goes up-right and capture more stuff on a right side and right headlight captures further then left. Here they are more symmetrical like bike headlight.

Also, forgot about local deadly sin: Road surface marking paint is not reflective and reflectors are not everywhere.

Funny enough... there's a pretty reputable lighting consultant locally named Daniel Stern.

According to his thoughts in this article: https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...oem-headlamps/

Biography:

I meant the lens specifically. On some cars, you can replace just the lens. And if it's not DOT stamped, well, you cant run it in the case of an inspection. But it's literally just the lens.

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people don't give enough credit to reflector halogen headlamps...
i don't blame them though, because the American system (9004, 9007, H13, etc) is markedly inferior to the European system (H4/HB2/9003 [all the same bulb]), and the American system has been more prevalent here... because we're in North America.
Thankfully, Canada allows E-code lamps. Example, if I drove an older car with sealed beams, I'd ditch them and go with European Hella,Bosch or Cibie lamps, or Japanese Koito or IPF lamps suitable for H4 bulbs (and right-hand traffic).

Also funny enough, Daniel Stern Lighting also produced this document for CVSE regarding vehicle lighting...
http://www.cvse.ca/vehicle_inspectio...g_Protocol.pdf
Once you get to the section regarding headlamps... you'll see that installing/retrofitting projectors is (unfortunately?) not an acceptable solution... not here anyway.

As long as the markings are present (DOT or SAE or ECE), you will be fine. Most models out there come with the markings on the headlamp lens. Some come with the markings on the housing. But, IMHO, if it is as such designed to allow replacement of the lens (is it plastic?) and you are afraid of losing the markings on the lens, you'll probably save a lot more work/hassle and some money by giving the faded/hazed lens a proper refinish/polish (recommend a 3M product or similar) and then spraying it with a anti-UV clear coat. My concern with a non-certified or non-OEM plastic headlamp lens is you don't know how long it will even last... Glass is another thing.

The second I hear a loud exhaust ripping down the street, my head whips around to see what it is. The same goes for a cop, except his reason is much more sinister.

Back in the day I ran one of these on my STi exhaust, plumbed right off the downpipe. When it was closed the exhaust went through the oem muffler.

When you're playing against the rules, it helps to be stealthy. Exhaust noise is the first thing that will get their attention.


Agreed 100%
The cops are crossing the line with these VI's, and it's a shame.

Take the point of view of a lawyer here.
The issue is that in the case of a lens being replaced, the whole unit has now been modified by someone who has not been approved to do these modifications. It puts the integrity and safety of the headlight in question. Just be happy that we can still do our own maintenance. The time will come where you won't be allowed to access your driveline unless you're a qualified technician. You are seeing it already with Teslas and some high end vehicles.

I agree with you overall, but I don't think anyone's getting VI'ed for non-oem brakes or tires.

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but with better suspension and tuning, more aggressive camber, etc, does it really help you in the city, or on a race track? Or are people driving their car in the city, like they're on a race track?

It's not more dangerous in any way to have a properly modded car, but I can see VPD refuting that it offers any real benefit in daily commuting. In an emergency, most people slam on the brakes anyway, which upgrading brakes are not anything they have been giving VI's for. As for upgrading suspension, maybe lowering the car 1" would have helped someone weave around that much quicker, every bit can help, but I don't think VPD's going to be convinced. That's really something more for aesthetics or utilized on track.

No but based on the VSA update, it suggests that the overall view is moving towards mandating all upgrades through changing the status of the car to altered.

How will that affect resale value? Further how will that affect insurance? These are all questions we don't know. I just want to point out that I upgraded my car to be safer, so why do I have to incur higher insurance rates?

I understand that in another perspective you have idiots modifying with "dumb" intentions or they do it in a stupid way. RE: extreme camber.

also lol if they start VI-ing based on non-oem tires too lmfao

Well, it is quite close: the wheels, for example. Cops wrote not oem wheels on citations (even if fitting was withing the law). But if you think, what if my car is old, i damaged the wheel on a bump or it is cracked. Now question, do i buy brand new reliable wheels or fixing old one(and remember metal ages and weakens as well)? In case of cast wheels metal strength is compromised and it is not recommended to fix them. But cops here forcing us looking for OEM on used market with unknown history or fix old and weak rims. Basically forcing us to hunt down used tires that are not even manufactured anymore.

So it is not that far LOL

A proper suspension upgrade will make a night and day difference in every kind of emergency manoeuvre situation. Factory suspensions are almost always tuned for street comfort (and who can blame the manufacturers for this?), and it manages weight transfer during emergency manoeuvre rather poorly. In the simplest case of slamming on your brakes, a soft factory suspension will cause the weight transfer to happen too quickly. The rear end gets light too soon, too fast, and the chances of the rear end stepping out / wiggling becomes noticeably higher. Add to the fact that the overwhelming majority of drivers haven't got the slightest clue that maximum braking only occurs when your steering wheel is straight, and you have a recipe for spin out / side swipes / loss of vehicle control.

A properly tuned, performance grade suspension cannot replace driver skills, but it does vastly improve the driver's ability to control the vehicle under pretty much every imaginable driving situation.

Excessive camber will reduce longitudinal traction between the tires and the ground. In layman's terms, it will hurt your straight line acceleration and braking. From my personal experience, however, there is no observable degradation in acceleration / braking performance until you start approaching -2° camber. I'd even go as far as to say that up to -2.5° camber, the performance drop off is small. And yet I bet certain VPD officers will not be happy to see wheels cambered at -2°.
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Yes, this. Lack of reflective road markings/cat-eyes is notable in and around Vancouver. Driving between Richmond and Vancouver one notably bad area is Russ-Baker, Richmond bound, around the left turn bays for Gilbert,heading towards the 2 road bridge. Multiple lanes that become virtually indistinguishable from another on rainy nights, with yellowish street lighting creating glare that makes road markings disappear. LOL, I sound like a grumpy old man. But very poor set up (maintenance?), should at the very least be cat-eyed and repainted yearly.

Yah, ok. I was VI'd crawling through a intersection in a clean, mildly modified BRZ, just 1" lower with springs, no tint, stock rims(winters), and aftermarket exhaust. Driving like a saint , just trying to clear an intersection. This episode was witnessed by a member here, and can attest, I didn't do squat to attract attention...oh but wait...FRS/BRZ, club sticker, non-OEM exhaust tips, slightly more burble than stock, not sure how that would even be audibly perceptible at a very busy downtown intersection (Burrard & Robson), unless there was some profiling going on here, there is very bloody obviously some type of profiling of types of vehicles.

so are aftermarket rims illegal considered by vpd?

Yes, there's been numerous cases where "non-oem wheel" has been written on the VI

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I'm sure its addition to exhaust powered etc.
Wondering if anyone has gotten pulled in a stock car with aftermarket rims?

I gotta find it, but there was a 10th gen civic sport hatch that got VI'd for non-oem wheels (they were painted blue LOL) and I think it was lowered (?). It looked pretty much stock. I don't think exhaust was on it.

It looks like VPD is doubling down going into this summer.

https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/04...cessary-noise/

And yet every. single. day for 2 years the same janky ass Mustang rips full throttle by my office building in downtown booming and crackling and popping away as he lifts off... I can actually tell when it's 4pm without looking at a clock because he does it the exact same time every day... so ??? not sure what their prerogative is or why they think the Broadway and Kingsway areas are the ones to always be staking out.

There are plenty of obnoxiously loud Harley Davidsons around but I won't hold my breath that police will ticket and issue VIs to them.

Also to say loud vehicles are a safety issue for pedestrians is a stretch. Appears to be a weak attempt to use safety as an excuse to crack down on loud vehicles.