The Official 2019/2020 Canucks & NHL Thread

[68style]

Had to make sure a Stanley Cup continues to never be awarded in the city of Toronto

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by Obsideon

In skill but not in heart, he is the soul of the team and broke his body in the process.
Did he play at all this post-season? Question, will he still be the one hoisting it first? Aren't the rules you have to have played in a post-season game to have your name on the cup?

You have to have played in a minimum of 41 games for the winning team during the regular season or in 1 Stanley Cup Final game. The team can petition the league to have other names engraved (e.g. deadline acquisition who gets hurt in the Conference Finals)

[Gumby]

Even if Stamkos doesn’t meet the requirements, the league isn’t going to deny a future Hall of Famer from getting his name on the Cup if TB wins.

[Jmac]

Stamkos played 57 games this season

[Mike Oxbig]

Go Stars.

Stamkos is not playing... if Tampa wins his ring is just as good as Jeremy Lin's with raptors

[pastarocket]

Go Tampa! Cheering for Stamkos and Hedman to hoist Lord Stanley’s cup.

They were a young team back in 2015 when they lost to Chicago in the SCF.

Tampa’s coaching staff has not mentioned whether Stammer will play in the Finals for good reason. We shall see if he does play.

-good to see them back in the Finals. Finish off Dallas, boys!


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[BlackV62K2]

Originally Posted by Mike Oxbig

Go Stars.

Stamkos is not playing... if Tampa wins his ring is just as good as Jeremy Lin's with raptors

Don't think he'll cry about it though

[Obsideon]

Originally Posted by Mike Oxbig

Go Stars.

Stamkos is not playing... if Tampa wins his ring is just as good as Jeremy Lin's with raptors

Ouch lol... that's totally different, Lin latched on as a backup's backup for half a season.
Stamkos blood, sweat and tears for 12 years in Tampa, he just had some bad breaks. As Captain I'm sure he helped with showing his teammates some pointers and also for motivational value and experience.

[whitev70r]

Oh my ... Dallas is for real. Tampa cannot lose the SC this time, if they do, they \'re going to be known as the stepsisters at the ball.

[Hondaracer]

Stamkos is like the antithesis of Crosby

Such high hopes early on but almost out of sheer luck has missed out on the biggest moments of his career

[pastarocket]

-good article about all the Canucks player contracts:


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...tlooks-player/


FYI: The debt recapture from Luongo’s contract is $3.035 million.


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[bobbinka]

Makar takes Calder

[roastpuff]

I don't mind it. We're going to see these two duke it out for the Norris in the next few.

Whoever voted Quinn 3rd (6 people, really??!) I hope you step on Lego pieces.

[bobbinka]

Calder


Vezina

[Expresso]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

I don't mind it. We're going to see these two duke it out for the Norris in the next few.

Whoever voted Quinn 3rd (6 people, really??!) I hope you step on Lego pieces.

The voting is brutal. Someone actually voted Blackwood for 2nd place lol.

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[whitev70r]

well, look on the bright side, it'd be that much harder to sign Markstrom if he won Vezina.

[Jmac]

Makar may have won, but Hughes is fucking 1337.

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

I don't mind it. We're going to see these two duke it out for the Norris in the next few.

Whoever voted Quinn 3rd (6 people, really??!) I hope you step on Lego pieces.

There are always homer votes in these things. I mean Fox got a first place vote despite being clearly inferior to Makar and Hughes in every measurable way.

[pastarocket]

I'd rather see Hughes win the Stanley Cup with his teammates AND the Norris trophy in the near future than the Calder trophy.

That is the hardware that all Canucks fans would want Quinn to win.

-can't wait to see Quinn play at his peak.

[Jmac]

That’s a Calder winner and two Calder runner-ups in the past 3 years for anyone counting, which is an extremely impressive feat.

Say what you will about Benning’s garbage cap management, but he nailed the Boeser, Pettersson, and Hughes picks (even though local sports media seems intent on running Boeser out of town).

[highfive]

Originally Posted by Jmac

That’s a Calder winner and two Calder runner-ups in the past 3 years for anyone counting, which is an extremely impressive feat.

Say what you will about Benning’s garbage cap management, but he nailed the Boeser, Pettersson, and Hughes picks (even though local sports media seems intent on running Boeser out of town).

This is why I feel it’s so hard for cdn teams to win. You will always have media trying to be edgy or be different. So they report you differently.

Makes the organization run differently as the fans are swayed by the media.

Everyone has a damn opinion about something on what to do.

As bad as bennings cap management, I don’t know if it’s shitty pro scouting or shitty luck.

Louie - came off 30 goals?
Sutter - healthy for how many seasons then fell off the train?
Gudbranson - everybody thought he was this physical dman we saw in the playoffs.
Baertschi - all that chemistry with bo but concussion is a different animal.
Gagner - came off 50 pts with cbj?
Beagle - player key role in capital cup run.
Ferland - guy can play. Just concussion can affect when you least expect it.

[Jmac]

Eriksson had 60 points (playing with Marchand and Bergeron) and had previous positive experiences with the Sedins. I don't think anyone was expecting him to be as bad as he has been but many saw it as the wrong move at the time as they felt we should've been rebuilding and giving opportunities to young players, but management (Linden and Benning) defended it by saying they wanted to give the Sedins a shot at the playoffs/Cup and they signed Eriksson to play with them. Willie D made sure he did his best to completely derail it. Eriksson played with the Sedins for the first 2 weeks and, while they didn't score much, the Sedins had their best Ozone time, Corsi numbers, and expected goals for all season playing with Eriksson; they ended up playing with Sutter for a bit and then Megna. Megna scored 8 points in 58 games primarily playing with the Sedins on the top line and would go on to play a whopping 9 more NHL games in his career after that. Literally the worst coach ever. After the garbage he pulled on Vrbata the year before and then that, I have no idea how he didn't get shit-canned before the end of the season aside from:


Sutter was just a terrible move from the get go. They had a comparable (arguably superior) player in Bonino who just came off an okay season with 39 points at $1.9M for another 2 seasons and gave up additional assets to Pittsburgh to get Sutter at $3.3M then immediately signed him to a 5 x $4.375M extension with a full NTC until July 2019 (plus limited NTC until 2021) before he even played a game in a Canucks uniform. Sutter's career high at that point was 40 points which he hit 6 years prior to the trade; only 1 more point than the season Bonino just came off (and was getting paid less than half as much to do) ... and only managed a high of 33 between 2010 and the trade to Vancouver. The injuries and Bonino winning a Cup turned an already bad trade into a horrendous one.

They didn't even target Gudbranson; they wanted Demers but he utilized his NTC to reject the trade to Vancouver. I was hopeful Gudbranson would be better but it was pretty clear once he got here that his skating just wasn't up to par and paired with a young Hutton, who they were hoping would get into the rush more when paired with Gudbranson, completely backfired due to Guddy's poor skating. Gave up McCann in the process who was already the better player plus a draft pick.

I liked the Baertschi trade and it's unfortunate injuries derailed a potential middle 6 winger. That's bad luck.

Gagner has been a player that had to play an offensive role or he wouldn't be on the team; Philadelphia put him on waivers and had him play in the AHL for several games just 2 years prior for this exact reason. CBJ used him as a PP specialist, which is fine if that's how the Canucks were going to use him but they never did (he was 8th in PP TOI/GP) and it's not like they had anyone come out of the woodwork to steal that time from him unless they thought Boeser wasn't actually any good? Any way you slice it, bad scouting for sure. They also signed Del Zotto the same summer which was another awful move.

Beagle everyone said too long and too much money. He was a 4th liner for the Capitals even in the playoffs that season (11th of 13 in EV TOI/GP among forwards) and you just don't sign 33-year-old 4th liners to 4-year deals let alone for $3M/year with signing bonuses and NTCs. He was brought in to fill a role already held by an overpaid Sutter. Like it's actually incomprehensibly bad even before he played a game for the Canucks.

Ferland would be a solid deal if he were healthy but he's not. He has had numerous injuries prior including last season, so I would chalk it up to bad luck and bad scouting.

[Liquid_o2]

Pretty much agree with everything above - exactly my thoughts. I think the Sutter and Beagle deals are the worst of them all. Sutter has been overrated his entire career - he is a grinder and penalty killer. You don't pay a 3rd or 4th line center $4+ million to do the job that someone can competently do for $1 to $2 million on a shorter term deal.

And I agree that we already were overpaying Sutter for a certain job, so what did we do? We signed an aging Beagle to do the exact same thing for a long-term deal!

Now they are in a cap crunch and they won't be able to sign players that actually have value and matter to the team because they are weighed down by bad bottom 6 contracts. Free agency has killed this team over the past 5 years. If it wasn't for excellent drafting, we would still be at the bottom of the standings.

[68style]

But Sutter has family pedigree and is a great voice in the room guys

[SumAznGuy]

https://www.espn.in/nhl/story/_/id/2...in-medications

Interesting read. I am going to try to find the documentary.