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Old 01-10-2020, 10:43 AM   #76
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23 satellites circling the globe at all times, the US AF almost certainly has evidence that Iran shot down the plane, never mind the videos or photographs, the obvious effort by Iran to prevent any meaningful independent investigation, or the comments Iranian leadership have made since the incident.

The only reason people assume Iran shot the plane down in err is because the idea that they did it intentionally is so disgusting. Personally, I believe the most likely scenario to be that Iran shot the plane down intentionally believing that the international community would point the finger at the USA.

Iranians are wonderful people, however, the Iranian government is evil.

Trudeau is in a tough spot, I feel like he's doing the best he can given the circumstances.
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In none of the initial videos and photos from the wreckage , didn't see that kids playground or the light pole. that looks like a random spot.
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Why is everyone talking about this flight like it was the only flight to take off so it could have been mistaken as an enemy plane as if that is a reason it could be a mistake? According to flight tracker there were flights taking off all morning before the ukranian one. It's not like this flight was the only one or the first one that tried to sneak out. Lufthansa flew out an hour after the missile strikes. Ukrainian air was like 6 hours later
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The theory that Iranians purposefully shot down a plane full of their own people (The Canadians onboard were dual citizens, and entered on Iran on their Iranian passports) for nefarious reasons has got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Given that just hours earlier they shot missiles at US bases, someone manning the missile site just fucked up and probably thought they were under attack and now they're just trying to hide their incompetence.

When the USA downed Iran Air Flight 655, they lied about a bunch of the details as well.

And of course, this whole situation would never have happened if the US didn't just off one of their generals without any warning.
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Put this in the wrong Thread, just moving it here

It's not just Canadian and Ukrainian investigators that are granted access, US investigators have been allowed in as well

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Iranian TV finally admits truth

Ukrainian plane was 'unintentionally' shot down, Iran state TV says
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Well that lie sure didn’t last long.
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I think the case was pretty much set in stone when US, CA and UK all came out officially (with CA/UK own PM!) to point it at Iran.

They clearly had the necessary proof, beyond any reasonable and logical doubts, in intel to have our own PM to come up with such a statement.
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whoever the SAM system operator was is getting death by hanging,hopefully.


all flights have some sort of transponders for ID in the Air,they fired at a whelm because it changed direction that's not even a proper reason


on what chain of command was anyone told to fire anything?..something tells me a group of monkeys did their own thing in a split second...shoot first,ask questions later type of stupidity.



newer radar technology doesn't mean anything when you got shit for brain soldiers on the ground with this type of 10 IQ thinking.
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looks like Iran shot it down unintentionally.
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Who wouldn't be Under pressure after an orange orangutan threatens to blow up 53 cultural sites. But hey he just had a great rally and he has a busy weekend golfing.
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And of course, this whole situation would never have happened if the US didn't just off one of their generals without any warning.
You are delusional, a civilian plane shot down in Iran, by Iran, has nothing to do with the US, escalated or not. It’s even more idiotic blaming Trump for all this, killing a military general is a completely legal target and justified. Iran had the ultimate power and they pressed the button. Once the missiles started flying the airspace should have been immediately shut down to airline flights.
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Fact is pubic orange hair trump killed a top iranian general. Innocent canadians become collateral damage cause of it. This happened within a span of days so its logical to put 2 and 2 together.

I dont care who's right or wrong or about these 2 shitty countries fighting for oil. My only concern was for the canadians. Now that Iran admits fault. We can continue this never ending war. Just keep canada out of it.

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You are delusional, a civilian plane shot down in Iran, by Iran, has nothing to do with the US, escalated or not. It’s even more idiotic blaming Trump for all this, killing a military general is a completely legal target and justified.
How was it justified?
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newer radar technology doesn't mean anything when you got shit for brain soldiers on the ground with this type of 10 IQ thinking.
It's 80's Russian technology. Unlike a lot of active/passive missiles that are almost autonomous once fired, this one requires targeting data to be continuously fed to it to know where to go.
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How was it justified?
The entire regime of Iran are pieces of shit that need to be killed off before the country can become part of the western world.
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The entire regime of Iran are pieces of shit that need to be killed off before the country can become part of the western world.
*Modern world. They don't have to be Western, they just need leadership that allows basic human rights and their own country and culture to flourish. Given the huge protests in Iran happening right now (as they have in the past) its obvious that the regime does not represent the citizens and needs to go.

This past week has been a huge L L L for Iran. Salami taken out, Iran leadership shows how scared they are of the US by launching essentially a fake attack giving the enemy almost six hours warning, and then having their "elite" IRGC 'accidentally' murder 176 civilians proving they are in no way responsible or capable enough to have modern/nuclear weapons. All under the biggest international spotlight possible. The Ayatollah and his peons should just lay down and rot, the gig is up.
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Who wouldn't be Under pressure after an orange orangutan threatens to blow up 53 cultural sites. But hey he just had a great rally and he has a busy weekend golfing.
5 years on and you're still getting high blood pressure from the Donald's internet diarrhea?

but hey, golfing is related to an airliner that went down
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The entire regime of Iran are pieces of shit that need to be killed off before the country can become part of the western world.
Maybe if the US had not overthrown a democratically elected president we wouldn't be dealing with this shit now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_I..._d%27%C3%A9tat
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The US foreign policy is garbage. They are the ones who supplied Saddam with WMD's during the Iran Iraq war.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-weapons.html

They also the Taliban with weapons.

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^all valid points. the 1953 coup was the start of the mess.
The regime is very comfortable where they are now, and have a lot of resources to do whatever they are pleased with. People are the ones suffering from the U.S sanctions.
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Manic logic: Orange man bad for US foreign policy in 1953
Also, the US gave Saddam weapons in the '80s to fight them plus all the sanctions and the Iraq war. I think Iran is pissed off about that too.

Orange man bad because he killed a General in the Iran military to distract from his impeachment.

The US had 2 targets but only succeeded in killing one. The reason for the attacks? Who knows it's changed multiple times. From an immediate threat to Americans to imminent attacks to 4 US embassies to revenge for killing an American contractor to Bush and Obama should have killed him years ago.

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Orange man will be re-elected this year the way things are going, then you’ll really see how triggered these snowflakes can get.
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Orange man will be re-elected this year the way things are going, then you’ll really see how triggered these snowflakes can get.
176 people dead and all you can think about is your man crush being elected.
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