coronavirus discussion

[SkinnyPupp]

Oh I was wondering if I would have to discuss Dr Raoult some time. He's been known about for years, so it's fun to see him in headlines lately.

I'll get around to doing a post later, maybe tomorrow. Need to have the most credible sources (some people care about that)

But aside from all that, it may or may not yet prove to be an effective treatment. But if he says it is, that's about the same as my cat saying it is. Wait for real science to say so.

I don't think the media is trying to make the treatment look bad. On the other hand, the bias we see from people who so desperately want it to pan out well, just so they can say "Trump was right", is kind of funny to me

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Oh I was wondering if I would have to discuss Dr Raoult some time. He's been known about for years, so it's fun to see him in headlines lately.

I'll get around to doing a post later, maybe tomorrow. Need to have the most credible sources (some people care about that)

But aside from all that, it may or may not yet prove to be an effective treatment. But if he says it is, that's about the same as my cat saying it is. Wait for real science to say so.

I don't think the media is trying to make the treatment look bad. On the other hand, the bias we see from people who so desperately want it to pan out well, just so they can say "Trump was right", is kind of funny to me

I'm finding that so bizarre to witness as well. I've never seen a group of people become to obsessed with a particular drug before.

There are other trials of treatments along with antibody testing that is being conducted which also looks promising, but yet you don't hear these guys even mentioning that.

Their entire focus is on hydroxychloroquine, simply because Trump and their media has been pushing it so hard.

It's this odd desperation to cling to anything he says to prove him right, to abrogate him from any negative responsibility he carries to which he's handled this whole pandemic.

I've never seen the bar lowered to such degree for one man.

[welfare]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

I'm finding that so bizarre to witness as well. I've never seen a group of people become to obsessed with a particular drug before.

There are other trials of treatments along with antibody testing that is being conducted which also looks promising, but yet you don't hear these guys even mentioning that.

Their entire focus is on hydroxychloroquine, simply because Trump and their media has been pushing it so hard.

It's this odd desperation to cling to anything he says to prove him right, to abrogate him from any negative responsibility he carries to which he's handled this whole pandemic.

I've never seen the bar lowered to such degree for one man.

You mean the antibody testing i mentioned two pages ago? That Canada still hasn't approved?

Name one other treatment being tested on the same scale as hydroxychloroquine.
There are clinical trials taking place all across the globe. And it's not "because Trump is pushing it". It's because it's shown more promise than any other treatment so far.

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by welfare

You mean the antibody testing i mentioned two pages ago? That Canada still hasn't approved?

Name one other treatment being tested on the same scale as hydroxychloroquine.
There are clinical trials taking place all across the globe. And it's not "because Trump is pushing it". It's because it's shown more promise than any other treatment so far.

That's great. Keep fighting the good fight for your man there.

I've told you before, I have zero interest in debating with you on an online forum any longer, I don't see you as carrying a legitimate opinion.

You are a troll right down to your username, any rebuttal one would make to you will not change your mind, this is your online character.

Maybe you can try the drug yourself and give us some direct feedback? Like Trump said, what do you have to lose?

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by welfare

You mean the antibody testing i mentioned two pages ago? That Canada still hasn't approved?

Name one other treatment being tested on the same scale as hydroxychloroquine.
There are clinical trials taking place all across the globe. And it's not "because Trump is pushing it". It's because it's shown more promise than any other treatment so far.

From Capital Daily: Island hospitals join global COVID-19 cure testing

Local patients will be asked to test a drug cocktail meant to treat the virus

COVID-19 patients at Royal Jubilee and Nanaimo Regional, Vancouver Island’s two pandemic response hubs, will be asked to participate in a two year voluntary study assessing drug treatments for the disease. Led by the World Health Organization, the study is spanning 90 countries and will gauge the effectiveness of three drugs; Kaletra, a drug used to treat HIV, Remdesivir, an antiviral and hydroxychloroquine, a malaria treatment that was controversially pushed as a possible cure by US President Donald Trump. There are currently only 5 COVID-positive hospitalized Islanders, which may limit the study significantly.

April 23/2020

[hud 91gt]

The last sentence is the best part.

[StylinRed]

The reporter that was chasing the story in wuhan, and went missing, has reappeared two months later, says he was quarantined due to being in sensitive areas...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52392762

[welfare]

Originally Posted by Manic!

From Capital Daily: Island hospitals join global COVID-19 cure testing

Local patients will be asked to test a drug cocktail meant to treat the virus

COVID-19 patients at Royal Jubilee and Nanaimo Regional, Vancouver Island’s two pandemic response hubs, will be asked to participate in a two year voluntary study assessing drug treatments for the disease. Led by the World Health Organization, the study is spanning 90 countries and will gauge the effectiveness of three drugs; Kaletra, a drug used to treat HIV, Remdesivir, an antiviral and hydroxychloroquine, a malaria treatment that was controversially pushed as a possible cure by US President Donald Trump. There are currently only 5 COVID-positive hospitalized Islanders, which may limit the study significantly.

April 23/2020

Can you show me multiple testing and trials done, with positive results, of either of those two?
Or hundreds of physicians testimony in favor of them?

Originally Posted by mikemhg

That's great. Keep fighting the good fight for your man there.

I've told you before, I have zero interest in debating with you on an online forum any longer, I don't see you as carrying a legitimate opinion.

You are a troll right down to your username, any rebuttal one would make to you will not change your mind, this is your online character.

Maybe you can try the drug yourself and give us some direct feedback? Like Trump said, what do you have to lose?

Yet you still replied.
I really don't care that Trump keeps spouting about it. In fact, i kinda wish he wouldn't so the media might actually report honestly on it.
I care whether or not it works. And so far there have been a lot of positive results that have been discounted due to technicalities.
If it works, great. I think we should all be happy about that. Regardless of who's endorsing it.

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by pastarocket

More bad news from CNN about this nasty bug. Covid 19 can cause strokes in healthy people in their 30s and 40s:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/healt...lts/index.html

The new coronavirus appears to be causing sudden strokes in adults in their 30s and 40s who are not otherwise terribly ill, doctors reported Wednesday.

They said patients may be unwilling to call 911 because they have heard hospitals are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases.
There's growing evidence that Covid-19 infection can cause the blood to clot in unusual ways, and stroke would be an expected consequence of that.


Dr. Thomas Oxley, a neurosurgeon at Mount Sinai Health System in New York, and colleagues gave details of five people they treated. All were under the age of 50, and all had either mild symptoms of Covid-19 infection or no symptoms at all.

"The virus seems to be causing increased clotting in the large arteries, leading to severe stroke," Oxley told CNN.

"Our report shows a seven-fold increase in incidence of sudden stroke in young patients during the past two weeks. Most of these patients have no past medical history and were at home with either mild symptoms (or in two cases, no symptoms) of Covid," he added.
Doctors try to untangle why they're seeing 'unprecedented' blood clotting among Covid-19 patients


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This is the stuff that pisses me off in this forum, and in other threads/reddits I've been following.

Too many armchair idiots, Hondaracer I'm not trying to target your reply to this post, but you had indicated "Nah" after he Pastarocket made this post.

You claim it's bullshit because it's "CNN".

This is the fucking environment Trump and his lackeys have created with this whole "fake news" agenda. People question facts and reality, they question legitimate media, and I'm tired of it.

As I've said in previous posts, my spouse works in the actual COVID unit at VGH. Guess what? All of her patients are having issues with blood clotting.

There are 3 specific blood tests they have found abnormally elevated in almost all positive covid patients

Ferritin - This is a component of iron. It is thought to be elevated as a result of a cytokine storm response in the body. A cytokine storm occurs when our immune system goes into overdrive and releases too many antibodies which ends up harming our organs. It can lead to kidney damage, liver damage, and several other things.

C-reactive protein - This is released when there is inflammation in the body.

D-dimer - This is indicative of clots in the body. Their covid patients have extremely high D-dimer values which puts them at a higher risk of deep vein thrombosis (clots in the legs) and pulmonary embolism (clots in the lungs).

All of their covid patients are on an anticoagulant injection twice a day. Since these patients have new issues with their kidneys (see cytokine storm) they have needed dialysis. Dialysis techs have complained of their lines becoming plugged due to abnormally thick blood.

They watch these 3 bloodwork results in the hospital. If they trend down that is a sign a patient is recovering. If they trend up that puts the patient in a danger zone and they most likely end up in ICU.

This is the reason that one Canadian actor (whose name has escaped me) had to have his leg amputated after contracting COVID.

There are too many armchair quarterbacks both on this forum, and on the rest of the internet spewing their idiotic views without having any medical knowledge or background.

We are setting a very dangerous precedent if we continue in this "fake news" trend, where we live in a world where we doubt actual facts both from the scientific and medical community simply because some asshat decides that over half of the media is simply fake.

I've become extremely worried what type of future we will have if we continue in that mentality.

Once again I'm not targeting you Honda, but I'm tired of people pretending they know it all, when they have no clue at all.

[Blah_Teggie]

FYI. Anyone living by 2 road and Blundell. The Shoppers there has Lysol wipes for sale. Max one per customer. This was bout half an hour ago. I saw maybe 2 dozen there. It’s not on the shelf’s. It’s behind where the cashiers work.

[Bouncing Bettys]

mikemgh, I was just thinking the same about you.

[Hondaracer]

CNN creates their own environment where you lean towards doubt before believing their reporting.

I’m not saying they are wrong or right but frankly all media are their own worst enemy and there are endless examples of this from all outlets. If CNN reports it I’m more likely to take the issue or subject matter seriously once additional outlets begin to report it or further studies arise. This isn’t some sort of trump fake news narrative. Virtually all news outlet report inaccurately and correct their reporting after the fact or attempt to adjust their reporting with follow ups. There’s never been a time before where the information being spewed out is more skewed by opinion and bias.

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by ImportPsycho

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04...ated-incident/

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/suspect-in-des...fied-1.4909788

VANCOUVER -- The suspect in an alleged assault on an elderly man at an East Vancouver convenience store has turned himself in to police, according to a man who identified himself as the suspect’s son.

CTV News has confirmed through multiple sources that the suspect recorded on store surveillance video on March 13 is named Jamie Bezanson.

Court records and public documents indicate Bezanson lives in East Vancouver and is a longshoreman.

The man identifying himself as the suspect’s son told CTV News his father had turned himself in to police, and was told there would be no charges.

Vancouver police late Thursday would only confirm they have not made any arrests but have identified a suspect.

A spokesperson for the BC Prosecution Service said they were not involved in the case.

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by welfare

Can you show me multiple testing and trials done, with positive results, of either of those two?
Or hundreds of physicians testimony in favor of them?




Yet you still replied.
I really don't care that Trump keeps spouting about it. In fact, i kinda wish he wouldn't so the media might actually report honestly on it.
I care whether or not it works. And so far there have been a lot of positive results that have been discounted due to technicalities.
If it works, great. I think we should all be happy about that. Regardless of who's endorsing it.

You're right I said I wouldn't respond to you, but a final point to this must be made.

You asked to know a drug that is being used to treat COVID patients with successful results. This is right from the horse's mouth. On the COVID unit at VGH they are using Tocilizumab, an immunosuppressive drug:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocilizumab

This is literally what they are using with success on for COVID patients at a world class hospital, right here where you call home.

They are not using hydroxychloroquine.

Get off the internet and out of your right-wing bubble for once and speak with actual people working within the actual field and on the front lines.

You are nothing but a keyboard warrior, and you bring nothing to the table.

[CorneringArtist]

How many idiots are going to end up in the hospital after injecting Lysol while standing in the sun in the next 72 hours?

[SkinnyPupp]

If Trump wasn't real his story would be one of the funniest comedies in history

Instead it's a tragedy

[Ludepower]

America officially passes 50k deaths and the wartime president has moved on from chloroquine to drinking lysol disinfectant. See you all at 75k deaths very soon.

[underscore]

Camera 2 of the cleaner/UV bit

https://i.imgur.com/03gBKqT.mp4

[StylinRed]

Jesus christ I know he wants to promote an image of the administration trying to find a solution, and are hard at work, but my fucking god, those aren't musings of a president they're of a madman

The doctors having a heart attack listening to that

[twitchyzero]

wreckless is an understatement
i feel sorry for Hillary for losing to the loose cannon
a superpower brought to its knees and the leader still in his former reality tv self

[welfare]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

You're right I said I wouldn't respond to you, but a final point to this must be made.

You asked to know a drug that is being used to treat COVID patients with successful results. This is right from the horse's mouth. On the COVID unit at VGH they are using Tocilizumab, an immunosuppressive drug:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tocilizumab

This is literally what they are using with success on for COVID patients at a world class hospital, right here where you call home.

They are not using hydroxychloroquine.

Get off the internet and out of your right-wing bubble for once and speak with actual people working within the actual field and on the front lines.

You are nothing but a keyboard warrior, and you bring nothing to the table.

Hey that's terrific, Mike.
I sincerely hope it's successful.

[welfare]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/c...nada-1.5542890

Respondents were presented with six conspiracy theories and asked if they believe any of them. According to Marie-Eve Carignan, an associate professor at the University of Sherbrooke and one of the co-authors of the study, at least one in 10 respondents believed at least one of the six theories.


She cautioned that the findings of the study are preliminary, and that team will have the results of a survey of 1,500 Canadians two weeks from now. Eventually their work will expand to include six countries.

Carignan said the six theories were:

-My government is hiding important information about coronavirus.
-Coronavirus was intentionally made in a lab.
-Coronavirus was manufactured in a lab by mistake.
-The pharmaceutical industry is involved in the spread of the coronavirus.
-Coronavirus medication already exists.
-There's a link between 5G technology and the coronavirus.

One of the most popular conspiracy theories of the pandemic is that the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 was genetically engineered in a laboratory, possibly as a biological weapon. While just over half of those surveyed said they believe the virus occurred naturally, nearly a third said they believe it was created in a lab.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soci...avirus-chinese

The first person known to have been infected by the Wuhan coronavirus had never visited the city’s seafood market – regarded as the epicentre of the outbreak – according to Chinese researchers, who also called for extra precautions against airborne transmission of the disease between humans.
The researchers, seven of whom work at Wuhan’s Jinyintan hospital, designated for patients with the illness, revealed on Friday in The Lancet medical journal that symptoms of the new disease were first reported on December 1 – much earlier than the Wuhan government’s initial announcement on December 31 of 27 cases of the pneumonia-like infection.
According to the report, the first patient had no exposure to the Huanan seafood market which was shut down on January 1 over fears – later confirmed – that the new virus was linked to its trade in wild animals. The researchers added that none of the patient’s family had developed fever or any respiratory symptoms. There was also no epidemiological link between the first patient and the later cases, they found.

[!LittleDragon]

Engineered bioweapon? That doesn't even make sense. If that was the intent, wouldn't you create something that kills more than just the weak and elderly? That just leaves the strong and pissed off as survivors.

[Alpine]

Wait until you learn that disinfectants are commonly used in vaccines.

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by welfare

Hey that's terrific, Mike.
I sincerely hope it's successful.

No you don't

This has always been only about politics for you.

If the world was run by people like you, we'd be drinking bleach by now.