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Bonnie is just starting to sound like a nagging nanny at this point ... "children please put your dishes in the sink, kids please wash your hands, please don't share popsicles at recess, please don't stick your finger in Billy's ear". As mentioned before by numerous people on here, the people following the rules ALREADY are and nothings changed, and the people that are NOT following will continue to do so no matter how many times Bonnie 'suggests' we follow the her recommendations. Even a small sample size of our restaurant, ever since the new regulations from last Saturday, nothing has changed. I can still clearly tell there are groups of people not from the same household (group of 6 men in their 50's), but there's no way any restaurant can (or wants to) enforce it. |
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11 deaths/day now lock it down |
Well if people don’t listen to the no mixed house holds messages, are they going to listen to a curfew message? I’ve literally heard the reasoning for not adhering to the staying within your own household argument because “you can’t get fined” Are the people who need the severe messaging even going to be receiving it? Who is going to enforce it? Frankly over time I think that even regular people who have been following the rules will eventually start saying fuck it and getting together with friends etc. Because even people with few friends etc will get tired of this. I know I am I get it that doing SOMTHING is better than the current state but I’m not sure how effective it will be |
Monetary fines will work. Do you think Vancouver will be fine if they suddenly changed the stance to "Please try and refrain from speeding as we feel it could be dangerous, Stop signs are just a suggestion. Try not to use your phone while driving, Seatbelts are recommended" |
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Then we can talk about shutting everything down ACROSS CANADA. No point in shutting things down in BC and then have someone with the virus come over another province. The maritime provinces and territories up north are only getting cases because of travel and a prime example we need Justin Timberlake to do more. Just saw on the news, a home owner has been fine $2300 for hosting a poker game in his garage and had other non family guest in his house. This was the second time. First time they were given a warning. |
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No chips, no QR codes, no RFID, no tracking. A simple piece of paper with your name on it signed and notarized by a medical authority. Will some idiots try to forge one? Sure, but most decent people won't and get the shot. We do this until the baseline of infections drop to negligible/manageable levels. How is this much different than what all you people clamoring for a "mask mandate"? |
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(Also not arguing whether being anti mask or anti vaccine is right or wrong here, that's beside the point) |
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but discrimination against health status is a whole another touchy subject (ie the stigma around aids/hiv, mental illness etc) and let's say the vaccine paper admission is employed: it's still not sure fire. Why not go one step further and have proof of antibody titers every 3mos? |
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There's an outbreak in the state of South Australia now and they're locking down the outbreak is just 14 ppl in size |
I just wanted to add, if this were truly a dystopia, what you would see is the government rounding up every single person in the country and forcefully giving them the vaccine despite any objections whether just or unjust. That's clearly not what's going to happen here. Should you choose to abstain, then you face some very logical, reasonable and understandable consequences. These may include not being able to go to school, not being able to travel, not being able to join leagues, etc. It isn't about ostracizing people, these are businesses and societal functions protecting themselves from harm for the greater good. It's especially important for businesses because the #1 priority is for customers to feel safe again in their establishments and the ability to operate at full capacity. With that being said, I have faith that the vast majority of our society is smart enough to trust the science and take the vaccine. Everyone wants things to go back to normal ASAP; literally everyone. We can't cater to the extreme minority that will be against the vaccine for whatever reason. As mentioned by others, they'll have to continue to wear masks/face shields and face the consequences for their choice until things are deemed under control. |
Well, myself personally, i doubt I'd take it. And not because of some Orwellian theory about microchips. I just can't trust a vaccine developed in this short a period. Sorry. |
and that's your choice, which is how a free country operates. now, I hope you will take the time to at least read the study and understand the process as to why it would be safe (assuming no hiccups from now until roll out). when it comes to vaccines, the data either supports it or it doesn't. there's no in between. if they are indeed 90-95% effective than i cannot see a legitimate reason to abstain but again, that's your choice. |
There is not going to be no data whether it is safe long term or not. No one that takes it will know the long term effects if any |
Yet people who give that as a reason to abstain from the vaccine, don't have that same fear of THE VIRUS ITSELF. The mindset of if you don't die, everything is just fine again, which clearly hasn't been the case. |
If we put aside the “long term health effects” which are mostly unknown at this point, it could be very serious, it could be very minimal long term, the data here kinda shows that if you’re under 50, you don’t have much to worry about, this data is as of Nov 17th. https://i.imgur.com/H4MusEf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/tNpNZu8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gyVA2h6.jpg Of the 310 deaths in BC, 237 (85%) have been over 70 The largest percentile group of deaths (40%+) comes in the 80-89 age, which is actually older than the average live expectancy in BC (79.5 years) If you add in the 60-69 crowd, you have 94% of the deaths. No one under 39 has died, which makes up almost 50% of the province (47%) These numbers are obviously not reported directly through the media for a reason. This doesn’t take away from the strain on the healthcare sustem and all the other things we’ve discussed at naseum. Also, the age groups which test positive the most also have the least deaths and least ICU admissions. |
Like was said before. It's funny the people who will be the first in line for a vaccine disregarding any long term risks but are also the ones full of fear about the unknown possible long term effects of being one of the few people who actually get covid symptoms |
is the vaccine radically different than the influenza one though? that should give you an indication of the possible undesirable effects |
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And we do have those two incidences of transverse myelitis from astrazenecas vaccine, one case of which was dismissed cuz the test subject had undiagnosed MS not sure of the other Edit: also Russia's vaccine that was approved back in August has a 92% efficacy https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54905330 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54982910 We could've had covid taken care of for months now, but the west decided holding out for NA companies to profit over Russia was worth ppl dying |
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