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underscore 05-01-2020 09:49 AM

The site kept crashing but this is from a buddy who could get it to load

Quote:

The Regulations have been amended to prescribe as prohibited approximately 1 500 models of firearms. Of those, nine principal models of assault-style firearms are prohibited as they (1) have semi-automatic action with sustained rapid-fire capability (tactical/military design with large magazine capacity), (2) are of modern design, and (3) are present in large volumes in the Canadian market.

The Regulations prescribe the firearms set out below as “prohibited firearms” and also specifically prescribe the known variants of the principal models:

M16, AR-10, and AR-15 rifles and M4 carbine;
Ruger Mini-14 rifle;
US Rifle M14;
Vz58 rifle;
Robinson Armament XCR rifle;
CZ Scorpion EVO 3 carbines and pistols;
Beretta Cx4 Storm carbine;
SIG Sauer SIG MCX and SIG Sauer SIG MPX carbine and pistol; and
Swiss Arms Classic Green and Four Seasons series (as specified in former Bill C-71: An Act to amend certain Acts and Regulations in relation to firearms).
Also included are two new categories of firearms that exceed safe civilian use. These are characterized by the following physical attributes: a 20 mm bore or greater (e.g. grenade launcher) and the capacity to discharge a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10 000 joules (e.g. a .50 calibre BMG). These weapons are primarily designed to produce mass human casualties or cause significant property damage at long ranges, and the potential power of these weapons exceeds safe or legitimate civilian use.
The Regulations also prescribe the upper receivers of M16, AR-10, AR-15 and M4 pattern firearms to be prohibited devices in order to ensure that these firearms cannot easily be used with illicitly manufactured or acquired lower receivers. The M16, AR-10, AR-15 and M4 firearms are modular firearms consisting of the lower receiver assembly, which is the component bearing the serial number and subject to registration that is now prohibited; and the upper receiver assembly, which is the pressure bearing component and has not previously been regulated. An owner could possess two or more upper receiver assemblies which can be mounted and dismounted on a lower receiver assembly according to the needs of the occasion. If upper receivers are not also prohibited, there is a significant public safety risk that the upper receiver assemblies would be mated with an illegal lower receiver (i.e. smuggled, made from a receiver blank, or manufactured by 3D printing to supply the illegal market) thus creating unmarked, untraceable M16, AR-10, AR-15 or M4 firearms, commonly known as “ghost guns.” Prohibiting the upper receiver of these rifles will reduce the quantities in circulation and render it much more difficult to illicitly fabricate working firearms.
Kind of what I was expecting, using things like listing every variant to have a long list that sounds good to non-gun people.

stewie 05-01-2020 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by underscore (Post 8985102)
The site kept crashing but this is from a buddy who could get it to load



Kind of what I was expecting, using things like listing every variant to have a long list that sounds good to non-gun people.

site works for me

Spoiler!



was posted on the canadiangunnutz forum

JDął 05-01-2020 10:28 AM

Mike I like that you completely ignored my response to your post and then went on an additional rant using the exact same fallacies and hypocrisy. So I'll break it down one by one.
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemhg (Post 8984997)
Quit using your "van" or "truck" logic. Vehicles aren't designed to kill people.

Assault rifles are designed to kill people, very different argument here, you're using a straw-man.

Should Bazookas be legal too then? If a line can't be drawn, what's the point of any limits to what we are able to access? I should be able to purchase a fully kitted out Apache too, then.
A line was already drawn. In Canada firearms owners are heavily screened and investigated by the RCMP prior to being issued a license. In fact the name of every license holder is run through the national police database every day. You want to buy an SKS which was developed in the early 40's and saw its first action killing Germans in the hands of the Red Army in early 1945. It then proliferated throughout the Eastern Block and the world and has killed who knows how many people in its long history. Hypocrite much? If you just wanted to use to for target shooting well guess what, so did every other Canadian who is now having their firearm named illegal and confiscated. Guess what, THIS IS THE SAME RIFLE!
https://i.redd.it/u3nrcdcdtq021.jpg


The people posting in here talking about illegal guns. Lets be real here, the average Tom, dick or Harry does not have the contacts available to purchase an illegal gun.
And yet an average middle-aged man running a quaint dentist's office in small town Nova Scotia was able to obtain multiple firearms illegally from inside and outside the country. Point proven wrong.

Don't hit me with the dark web arguments, as I said, most people do not know how to navigate that segment of society.

Criminals will always have access to guns whether illegal or not.
Exactly! So why are you for the confiscation of personal property from citizens who never broke the law? The government should be spending money on reducing the ability for criminals to move and acquire illegal weapons, especially across the porous American border. Instead they're spending multiple times the budget punishing law-abiding citizens than they are on increased ability of police and intelligence networks and the CBSA.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tas...arms-1.5551432
"Illegal smuggling over the Canada-U.S. border is the source of untold thousands of firearms floating around the country. The U.S. is the source of anywhere from 70 to 99 per cent of the guns — mostly handguns — used in the commission of crimes here, depending on the municipality where the crimes are committed."
"The cost of that program has been pegged at $250 million but Friedman said he suspects it will be many times that amount, given there are tens of thousands of what could be described as "assault-style" firearms in circulation. Meanwhile, the federal Liberal government has committed just $87 million over five years for detection dogs, X-ray technology, ballistics testing and other measures to stifle rising gun violence."


Does this sound like responsible spending of your tax dollars and effective policy? Point proven right.


So what is the overall goal here? To arm more legal Canadians with assault rifles? That NRA talking point hasn't worked very well in the US, has it?
What the fuck are you talking about? No one has said that any time anywhere in any argument. #strawman

I don't understand the obsession and need to own an assault rifle, please explain to me how much a fundamental difference it makes to your daily life?
It's a hobby pursued by millions of Canadians, just because it doesn't interest you is irrelevant. Yesterday you were talking about getting your PAL and buying an assault rifle derived platform that operates in the exact same fashion! How do you not see your own hypocrisy here? The same position of "how does it affect your daily life" can be made against sports cars, tattoos, or anything you want to narrow in on.

Someone pose me here some stats. What is the percentage of Canadians that have their PAL? What is the percentage of Canadians that own assault rifles? I guarantee you that number is extremely low.
You could do this yourself in a few seconds but you're lazy and it doesn't fit your narrative. Over 2.2 million individuals are licensed in Canada, so almost 6% of the national population. An untold number more can legally shoot firearms under the supervision of those license holders. So in short, a lot of fucking people have this hobby in Canada.

Should the overall safety of the population be beholden to a small segment of people?
What's your point here? If it's the military and police then yes, that's their duty that they volunteered for. Licensed firearm owners aren't the ones committing mass shootings, and as linked above illegal guns from the US make up the vast vast majority of those used in crime.

Let's be real here, the majority of mass shootings in the States have been with assault rifles. Canada has not had many, but that's due to our laws, the barrier of entry (background checks, and PAL) is a big reason to that. Perhaps culture is another factor. Either way, wouldn't it make sense to think ahead and begin to limit such access in order to avoid slipping into the environment we're seeing with our neighbors down south?

Just like I said in my first post knowing you were going to go this route: you're using the US as a comparable when it's not. They have completely different societal norms around firearms as a result of Constitutional Law, not to mention the different laws in all 50 states and the culture of violence that was literally the birth of the country. There are a lot of countries around the world with high rates of firearms per capita that do not have the gun violence problem that the US does - it is completely unique in that regard. To be honest your whole post is a mess and shows that you don't really know a damn thing about the subject. Edit: Also the number of mass shootings in Canada using an "assault rifle" is ONE (1). Don't make false and misleadingly vague statements to support a narrative.

As expected, Trudeau lied to Canadians again. Now he's gone from a dozen or so firearms to 1500. He's taking as many as he can and yet not targeting handguns: the grossly over-represented firearm used by criminals. Canadians need to wake the fuck up and realize that Trudeau is closing in on dictatorship level policy. He has to date:

- Complete lack of personal and professional accountability from himself or his cabinet
- Multiple breaches of ethics violations
- Blatant corruption and favoritism
- Made major media outlets essentially federally owned through subsidies
- Attempted to limit free speech in the press by forcing them to register
- Attempted to pass law allowing himself and his party to have spending and taxing power without parliamentary oversight
- Turns law-abiding Canadians in to criminals overnight, is confiscating personal property
- Disarming a segment of the population.

By the way Indigenous groups are exempt from this new law with a hunting record, and yet Trudeau said in his address that "You don't need an AR-15 to bring down a deer". So the law itself is a Charter violation and he's done it with without parliamentary oversight or approval. This guy is such a hypocrite and complete fucking clown. This is a power grab that has nothing to do with public safety. If anyone can't see that they've got their eyes closed.

underscore 05-01-2020 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stewie (Post 8985104)
site works for me

95 Any firearm with a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater — other than one designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devices — including the

(a) Aerotek NTW;
(b) Airtronic M203;
(c) Alpimex APK 20;
(d) Amtec Less-Lethal Systems (ALS) 40MM Launcher;
(e) Anzio Ironworks Anzio 20;
(f) Argentine Mortar FMK2 81MM;
(g) Argentine Mortar FMK2 120MM;
(h) Argentine Mortar FMK1 60MM;
(i) Argentine Mortar FMK2 60MM;
(j) Argentine Mortar FMK3 60MM;
(k) Armsan BA 40;
(l) Armscor Stopper;
(m) Arsenal UGGL-M1;
(n) Arsenal UBGL;
(o) Arsenal MSGL;
(p) Astra Arms SL203;
(q) Astra Arms GL203;
(r) Austrian Mortar C6 60MM;
(s) Austrian Mortar M6 60MM;
(t) Austrian Mortar M8 81MM;
(u) Austrian Mortar M12 120MM;
(v) Bates & Dittus UBL-37;
(w) Bates & Dittus ExD-37;
(x) Bates & Dittus TBL-37;
(y) Bates & Dittus SML-37 Pistol;
(z) Beretta GLX160;
(z.001) British Mortar ML-3 Inch;
(z.002) British Mortar ML-4.2 Inch;
(z.003) Brugger & Thomet GL06;
(z.004) Bulgarian Mortar M60 60MM;
(z.005) Bulgarian Mortar M81 81MM;
(z.006) Bulgarian Mortar M82 82MM;
(z.007) Chilean Mortar Commando;
(z.008) Chilean Mortar M57 81MM;
(z.009) China Lake EX-41;
(z.01) Chinese Mortar Type 53;
(z.011) Cobray 37MM Launcher;
(z.012) Colt Eagle;
(z.013) Colt M203;
(z.014) Colt M79;
(z.015) Corner Blast PGL A1;
(z.016) CQ Type CQ 40MM;
(z.017) Croatian Service RT-20;
(z.018) CZ CZ805 G1;
(z.019) Czech Weapons SAG 30;
(z.02) Czech Weapons CZW 40;
(z.021) Czechoslovakian Mortar VZ52;
(z.022) Daewoo K201;
(z.023) Defense Technology L8;
(z.024) Defense Technology 40MM Launcher;
(z.025) Defense Technology 37MM Gas Gun;
(z.026) Defense Technology 37MM Gas Gun Pistol;
(z.027) Defense Technology 1375 Multi-Launcher;
(z.028) Degtyarev ASVK;
(z.029) Denel NTW 20HS;
(z.03) Denel PAW-20;
(z.031) Denel NTW;
(z.032) Dezamet GSBO-40;
(z.033) Dezamet GPBO-40;
(z.034) Diemaco M203A1;
(z.035) Diemaco Eagle;
(z.036) DPMS A-15 37MM Launcher;
(z.037) DSA 40MM Launcher;
(z.038) DSA Incorporated M203;
(z.039) Elite Machining ELM-40;
(z.04) ERE Systems M203 ERE Elite Launcher;
(z.041) Et Cetera 37MM Launcher;
(z.042) Exotic Firearms Nemesis-SL;
(z.043) Federal Laboratories 201Z;
(z.044) Federal Laboratories 203A;
(z.045) Federal Laboratories Federal Gas Riot Gun;
(z.046) Floro International 40MM Launcher;
(z.047) Floro International M400;
(z.048) Floro International M203;
(z.049) FN EGLM;
(z.05) FN MARK 13 Model 0;
(z.051) FN FN40GL;
(z.052) German Anti-Tank Rifle GrB39;
(z.053) German Anti-Tank Rifle M41;
(z.054) German Anti-Tank Rifle PzB38;
(z.055) German Anti-Tank Rifle PzB39;
(z.056) German Anti-Tank Rifle PzB41;
(z.057) German Mortar 1934 Granatwerfer;
(z.058) German Mortar Kurzer Granatewerfer 42;
(z.059) Greek Mortar C6 60MM;
(z.06) Greek Mortar E44 81MM;
(z.061) Greek Mortar E56 120MM;
(z.062) Heckler & Koch HKMZP1;
(z.063) Heckler & Koch HK69A1 Granatpistole;
(z.064) Heckler & Koch HKAG-G36;
(z.065) Heckler & Koch HKAG-C;
(z.066) Heckler & Koch HKXM320;
(z.067) Heckler & Koch HKAG-HK416;
(z.068) Heckler & Koch HKAG 36;
(z.069) Heckler & Koch HKGLM;
(z.07) Heckler & Koch HKAG-M16A4;
(z.071) Heckler & Koch HKAG-M4;
(z.072) Heckler & Koch HKM320;
(z.073) Heckler & Koch HKM320 A1;
(z.074) Heckler & Koch HK168E1;
(z.075) Heckler & Koch HK79;
(z.076) Heckler & Koch HK269;
(z.077) Heckler & Koch HK169;
(z.078) Helenius RK20;
(z.079) Helenius RK99 MARK 2;
(z.08) Hotchkiss 1934 Canon SAH;
(z.081) IOF Ugra;
(z.082) IOF UBGL;
(z.083) IOF Vidhwansak;
(z.084) Israeli Mortar C03;
(z.085) Italian Mortar Otobreda 81MM;
(z.086) IWI UBGL;
(z.087) Japanese Anti-Tank Rifle Type 97;
(z.088) Knights Armament Company M203;
(z.089) Lahti 39;
(z.09) Lake Erie Chemical Company Tru-Flite;
(z.091) Lamperd L40SL;
(z.092) LEI M203-PR;
(z.093) LMT M203;
(z.094) LMT M2032003 FMT;
(z.095) LMT 37MM Launcher;
(z.096) LMT 40MM Launcher;
(z.097) Luvo M203;
(z.098) Maadi UBGL;
(z.099) Manville Manville Gas Gun;
(z.1) Metallic Limited RBG-1;
(z.101) Metallic Limited RBG-6;
(z.102) Milkor Stopper;
(z.103) Milkor MGL MARK 1;
(z.104) Milkor M79;
(z.105) Milkor MRGL;
(z.106) Milkor USA MGL-140 M32;
(z.107) Milkor USA MGL-140;
(z.108) Milkor USA MGL-105;
(z.109) Milkor USA MGL-AV140;
(z.11) Missile Launcher 9K111 Fagot;
(z.111) Missile Launcher 9K310 Igla-1;
(z.112) Missile Launcher 9K32 Strela-2;
(z.113) Missile Launcher 9K34 Strela-3;
(z.114) Missile Launcher 9K38 Igla;
(z.115) Missile Launcher BGM-71 TOW;
(z.116) Missile Launcher Eryx;
(z.117) Missile Launcher FGM-148 Javelin;
(z.118) Missile Launcher FIM-43 Redeye;
(z.119) Missile Launcher FIM-92 Stinger;
(z.12) Missile Launcher HN-5;
(z.121) Missile Launcher Ingwe;
(z.122) Missile Launcher M47 Dragon;
(z.123) Missile Launcher MILAN;
(z.124) Missile Launcher Saegheh;
(z.125) Missile Launcher Starstreak;
(z.126) Missile Launcher Toophan;
(z.127) Missile Launcher Type 79;
(z.128) MKE T40;
(z.129) MKE Grenade Launcher;
(z.13) Oerlikon SSG 32;
(z.131) Oerlikon SSG 36;
(z.132) Ordnance Group TAC79;
(z.133) Ordnance Group TAC-D;
(z.134) Penn Arms L140;
(z.135) Penn Arms H140;
(z.136) Penn Arms P540;
(z.137) Penn Arms L640;
(z.138) Penn Arms P837;
(z.139) Penn Arms L837;
(z.14) Penn Arms L137;
(z.141) Penn Arms AML1-37;
(z.142) Penn Arms HL;
(z.143) Penn Arms HG;
(z.144) Penn Arms L8;
(z.145) Penn Arms L6;
(z.146) Penn Arms L1;
(z.147) Penn Arms GL1;
(z.148) Penn Arms PGL65;
(z.149) Penn Arms GL6;
(z.15) Penn Arms GL65;
(z.151) Penn Arms PL8;
(z.152) Penn Arms TL1;
(z.153) Penn Arms TL8;
(z.154) Penn Arms TGL1;
(z.155) Penn Arms TGL6;
(z.156) Pindad SPG-1;
(z.157) PMP NTW;
(z.158) Polish Grenade Launcher Wz74;
(z.159) Polish Grenade Launcher Wz83;
(z.16) Portuguese Mortar M965;
(z.161) Portuguese Mortar M937;
(z.162) Recoilless Rifle AT4;
(z.163) Recoilless Rifle B-10;
(z.164) Recoilless Rifle FMK1 105MM;
(z.165) Recoilless Rifle Folgore;
(z.166) Recoilless Rifle M136 AT4;
(z.167) Recoilless Rifle M18A1;
(z.168) Recoilless Rifle M40A1;
(z.169) Recoilless Rifle M60;
(z.17) Recoilless Rifle M60A;
(z.171) Recoilless Rifle M65;
(z.172) Recoilless Rifle Pansarskott M68 Miniman;
(z.173) Recoilless Rifle RGW 60;
(z.174) Recoilless Rifle RGW 90;
(z.175) Recoilless Rifle SPG-9;
(z.176) Recoilless Rifle Type 36 M18A1 Recoilless Rifle Copy;
(z.177) Recoilless Rifle Type 65;
(z.178) Recoilless Rifle Type 78;
(z.179) Rippel Effect XRGL40;
(z.18) Rippel Effect LL40;
(z.181) RM Equipment M203PI;
(z.182) Rocket Launcher P27;
(z.183) Rocket Launcher RPG-27 Tavolga;
(z.184) Rocket Launcher ALAC;
(z.185) Rocket Launcher MARA;
(z.186) Rocket Launcher Shipon;
(z.187) Rocket Launcher RPG-22 Netto;
(z.188) Rocket Launcher MARK 153 SMAW;
(z.189) Rocket Launcher B-300;
(z.19) Rocket Launcher RPG-26 Aglen;
(z.191) Rocket Launcher RPG-76;
(z.192) Rocket Launcher RPG-7;
(z.193) Rocket Launcher M1;
(z.194) Rocket Launcher M1A1;
(z.195) Rocket Launcher M9;
(z.196) Rocket Launcher RPG-75;
(z.197) Rocket Launcher LRAC89-F1;
(z.198) Rocket Launcher RPG-16 Udar;
(z.199) Rocket Launcher RPG-7B;
(z.2) Rocket Launcher RL100 Blindicide;
(z.201) Rocket Launcher M141 SMAW-D;
(z.202) Rocket Launcher MARK 777 RPG;
(z.203) Rocket Launcher ATGL RPG;
(z.204) Rocket Launcher Type 69 RPG;
(z.205) Rocket Launcher Type 56 RPG;
(z.206) Rocket Launcher RPG-2;
(z.207) Rocket Launcher Cobra RPG;
(z.208) Rocket Launcher Panzerfaust 3;
(z.209) Rocket Launcher APILAS;
(z.21) Rocket Launcher Wasp;
(z.211) Rocket Launcher Bunkerfaust;
(z.212) Rocket Launcher Type 2004 RPG;
(z.213) Rocket Launcher PF98;
(z.214) Rocket Launcher RPG-28 Klyukva;
(z.215) Rocket Launcher RPG-29 Vampir;
(z.216) Rocket Launcher FT5;
(z.217) Rocket Launcher C90;
(z.218) Rocket Launcher M20B1;
(z.219) Rocket Launcher M72;
(z.22) Romarm AG-40;
(z.221) Russian Artillery M1942 Anti-Tank Gun;
(z.222) Russian Mortar M1937;
(z.223) Russian Service DP-64;
(z.224) Sabre Defence Industries XR40;
(z.225) Sabre Defence Industries XR37;
(z.226) Sage ML40 MARK 1;
(z.227) Sage Ace 37MM Launcher;
(z.228) Sage Ace 40MM Launcher;
(z.229) Sage Deuce 37MM Launcher;
(z.23) Sage Deuce 40MM Launcher;
(z.231) Schermuly 38MM Multi-Purpose Gun;
(z.232) Singapore Technologies Kinetics 40GL;
(z.233) Smith & Wesson 210/276;
(z.234) Smith & Wesson 276;
(z.235) Solothurn S18-100;
(z.236) Solothurn S18-1000;
(z.237) Spike’s Tactical 37MM Launcher STZ Havoc;
(z.238) Swiss Anti Tank Rifle Tankbusche 41;
(z.239) Swiss Arms GL5040;
(z.24) Swiss Arms GL5140;
(z.241) Swiss Arms GLG40;
(z.242) Taiwanese Grenade Launcher T85;
(z.243) Tarnow RGP-40;
(z.244) Tarnow GP40;
(z.245) Tarnow GS40;
(z.246) Truvelo SR20;
(z.247) Truvelo HSR 20;
(z.248) Truvelo CMS 20;
(z.249) US Mortar M2;
(z.25) US Mortar M1;
(z.251) US Mortar XM224E3;
(z.252) US Ordnance M6 37MM Gun;
(z.253) US Recoilless M18; and
(z.254) US Recoilless M20.

This is where the list gets really confusing. Were missile launchers, grenade launcher, rocket launchers and mortars legal to own before?

mikemhg 05-01-2020 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDął (Post 8985106)
Mike I like that you completely ignored my response to your post and then went on an additional rant using the exact same fallacies and hypocrisy. So I'll break it down one by one.

Just like I said in my first post knowing you were going to go this route: you're using the US as a comparable when it's not. They have completely different societal norms around firearms as a result of Constitutional Law, not to mention the different laws in all 50 states and the culture of violence that was literally the birth of the country. There are a lot of countries around the world with high rates of firearms per capita that do not have the gun violence problem that the US does - it is completely unique in that regard. To be honest your whole post is a mess and shows that you don't really know a damn thing about the subject. Edit: Also the number of mass shootings in Canada using an "assault rifle" is ONE (1). Don't make false and misleadingly vague statements to support a narrative.

As expected, Trudeau lied to Canadians again. Now he's gone from a dozen or so firearms to 1500. He's taking as many as he can and yet not targeting handguns: the grossly over-represented firearm used by criminals. Canadians need to wake the fuck up and realize that Trudeau is closing in on dictatorship level policy. He has to date:

- Complete lack of personal and professional accountability from himself or his cabinet
- Multiple breaches of ethics violations
- Blatant corruption and favoritism
- Made major media outlets essentially federally owned through subsidies
- Attempted to limit free speech in the press by forcing them to register
- Attempted to pass law allowing himself and his party to have spending and taxing power without parliamentary oversight
- Turns law-abiding Canadians in to criminals overnight, is confiscating personal property
- Disarming a segment of the population.

By the way Indigenous groups are exempt from this new law with a hunting record, and yet Trudeau said in his address that "You don't need an AR-15 to bring down a deer". So the law itself is a Charter violation and he's done it with without parliamentary oversight or approval. This guy is such a hypocrite and complete fucking clown. This is a power grab that has nothing to do with public safety. If anyone can't see that they've got their eyes closed.

I did not ignore your response JD13. Frankly, I don't have any interest in debating gun rights on this forum, it's not a passion of mine, and I simply don't care.

Clearly this is a major hobby of yours, you've made it clear you enjoy your guns, I personally could care less.

Guess what, if I couldn't purchase an SKS, I'd purchase something else, I don't see how I would be considered a hypocrite here.

You mentioned tattoos and sport cars, yes both things I enjoy, and guess what both aren't designed to kill people, so I don't see the relevance of your argument.

In terms of stats, of course I looked, that's why I asked someone to pose them, knowing full well it's an extremely small segment of the population:

https://i.imgur.com/YWRXmUv.png

The above provides a better insight to show that the majority of PAL owners reside in our rural provinces. A mere 4% in Ontario and 6% in BC/Quebec, our most populated provinces.

I get it, you hate Trudeau, you hate everything he's done, and everything he stands for. At the end of the day, the ban is in effect now, so what else is there to debate?

You didn't answer my question, explain to me how much this fundamentally changes your daily life? How many assault rifles do you own, JD13?

Manic! 05-01-2020 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 8985090)
I realize guns are “scary” and kill people. However, for a collector or enthusiast I don’t really see how it’s any different than collecting watches or any other frivolous hobby

There’s actually a fair bit of mechanical beauty and machining in higher end stuff and some of the higher end shotguns and handguns are virtually peices of art in their own right.

I know watches don’t kill people but it’s not that far fetched of a comparison imo

https://i.imgur.com/zlCH2vO.jpg

If all your going to do is hang them on the wall just make them so they don't fire. Problem solved.

JDął 05-01-2020 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemhg (Post 8985111)
You didn't answer my question, explain to me how much this fundamentally changes your daily life? How many assault rifles do you own, JD13?

It affects me the same as it affects you: a baseless erosion of your rights and freedoms. These new laws were done by order-in-council from cabinet without parliamentary oversight and thus no legislation, and that's inappropriate given the size of the population they impact. This has turned hundreds of thousands of innocent Canadians in to potential paper criminals. The government is seizing personal property and I can guarantee you will not be reimbursing firearm owners for the true cost of said property. People need to understand the big picture of how wrong this is. Plus, it's piss poor policy on a number of counts (logic, cost, logistics, enforcement, and more).

I'm an RPAL holder but do not currently own any restricted firearms as my living situation doesn't make it feasible. I sold my rifle and sidearm before leaving the CF, I currently only have a shotgun. I'm so against this power grab because it's completely illogical, a huge waste of money, and yeah because the Liberal government is corrupt and inept as fuck. But I'd be equally against it if any party did it in this manner.

twitchyzero 05-01-2020 12:29 PM

name me the last time tattoo and sports car wounded 400 people in minutes

is it the most efficient use of tax dollar? maybe not but it's a start?

thanked you because they should go thru the legislative process

edit did Ottawa say what they’re gonna do with the stockpile?

68style 05-01-2020 12:37 PM

Fun fact: You can’t change anything without pissing someone off

Corrupt “liberal party” lol... show me a time any political party in power hasn’t been accused of corruption ffs

JDął 05-01-2020 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 8985116)
name me the last time tattoo and sports car wounded 400 people in minutes

is it the most efficient use of tax dollar? maybe not but it's a start?

Please. That's not what I was stating. It's a metaphorical comparison of pursuing a hobby not a direct comparison of how deadly tattoos are :rolleyes: The point is that if you have a legal hobby you should be able to pursue it without the government outlawing it without logical precedent or oversight, then punishing you financially to do so by confiscating your property.

This change doesn't affect my life at all as a sit here now, but I understand the precedent it sets for all of us and the fallacy behind it. That's why I'm so against it.

twitchyzero 05-01-2020 12:52 PM

still dont feel it's a priority right now and definitely agree there should be a rigorious process to outlaw them

but i'm not mad something is being done either because at the end of the day it's just a hobby! life goes on, can't say the same for all those victims no longer with us

hchang 05-01-2020 12:57 PM

wtf happened in this thread lol

murd0c 05-01-2020 01:39 PM

So is the SKS now banned? I can't seem to see it on the list and I'm hearing conflicting reports from people that it is and that it isn't.

Tegra_Devil 05-01-2020 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by murd0c (Post 8985126)
So is the SKS now banned? I can't seem to see it on the list and I'm hearing conflicting reports from people that it is and that it isn't.

The SKS isnt banned as of yet. But similar models are, and Trudeau has stated this list will keep increasing with more variations of guns

Hondaracer 05-01-2020 02:26 PM

Tempted to buy another SKS tbh.. although prices may be going up

SkinnyPupp 05-01-2020 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDął (Post 8985115)
It affects me the same as it affects you: a baseless erosion of your rights and freedoms. These new laws were done by order-in-council from cabinet without parliamentary oversight and thus no legislation, and that's inappropriate given the size of the population they impact. This has turned hundreds of thousands of innocent Canadians in to potential paper criminals. The government is seizing personal property and I can guarantee you will not be reimbursing firearm owners for the true cost of said property. People need to understand the big picture of how wrong this is. Plus, it's piss poor policy on a number of counts (logic, cost, logistics, enforcement, and more).

I'm an RPAL holder but do not currently own any restricted firearms as my living situation doesn't make it feasible. I sold my rifle and sidearm before leaving the CF, I currently only have a shotgun. I'm so against this power grab because it's completely illogical, a huge waste of money, and yeah because the Liberal government is corrupt and inept as fuck. But I'd be equally against it if any party did it in this manner.

Would it be more reasonable if the govt allowed people to keep these collectors items if they were permanently disabled? Is the ability to kill people a necessary part of collecting them? (seriously, I wouldn't know)

If it's just target shooting, there are plenty of legal guns still out there to own, so that shouldn't be an issue.

kr4l 05-01-2020 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8985133)
Would it be more reasonable if the govt allowed people to keep these collectors items if they were permanently disabled? Is the ability to kill people a necessary part of collecting them? (seriously, I wouldn't know)

If it's just target shooting, there are plenty of legal guns still out there to own, so that shouldn't be an issue.

There plenty of legal guns to own until they aren’t legal anymore..

Bouncing Bettys 05-01-2020 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8985133)
Would it be more reasonable if the govt allowed people to keep these collectors items if they were permanently disabled? Is the ability to kill people a necessary part of collecting them? (seriously, I wouldn't know)

If it's just target shooting, there are plenty of legal guns still out there to own, so that shouldn't be an issue.

If they were to ban all classic/muscle/rods/exotics and the ability to modify, would a car enthusiast be happy driving all the varieties of econoboxes still allowed?

SkinnyPupp 05-01-2020 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys (Post 8985136)
If they were to ban all classic/muscle/rods/exotics and the ability to modify, would a car enthusiast be happy driving all the varieties of econoboxes still allowed?

I wish people would stop trying to make the same analogy over and over that doesn't work. You're like the 4th person to do so in this very thread.

Collecting things that are designed to kill people is not the same as collecting muscle cars or watches.

Not anti gun here, but I would never use that argument.

Hondaracer 05-01-2020 03:55 PM

Everyone an expert in something they’ve never even touched in this thread.

They do have comparisons in vehicles etc because they become worthless in their deactivation. It’s car vs a plastic model. Would anyone be interested in cars if they were made in a mold and did nothing? Like literally did nothing to the point where you can’t pop the hood or even open a door? Because that’s the equivalent to a deactivated gun. Welded shut barrel, welded shut action, welded shut receiver. Useless, a piece of metal.

Oh you have a 500hp car? Well guess what, by tomorrow you’re only allowed to have 150hp. Oh you spent a bunch of money on that “hobby” of yours? Well fuck you others didn’t so figure it out. Oh you spent thousands of dollars to get this vehicle that way? Ok well here’s $300 to cover your loss. That’s what’s happening.

People who have never held a gun, don’t participate in the hobby, know literally nothing of it, telling people who legally, safely, and actively participate in the hobby to “not worry about it” or say things like why do you need this or that obviously are not privy to the slippery slope these actions cause. It’s no different than the blind, sweeping restrictions enabled by the same libs in the 90’s.

Once you give an inch, they take a mile and they do not care who gets swept up in it. That’s the issue.

This has a trickle down effect. I’d say a good portion (probably 50%+) of gun owners are also hunters. People who have continually being fucked in the ass for participating in another “hobby” well these people are also some of the biggest advocates and participants in conversation and habitat rehabilitation for wildlife. As these people dry up and there become fewer and fewer who want to participate there is going to be a DRASTIC effect to wildlife and habitat conservation, mark my words. The only reason the govt. funds these projects at all is because there are organizations like the BCWF, Ducks Unlimited, etc. Which have countless volunteers, some who literally dedicate their lives to wildlife conservation. This is another huge hit to participation in these groups.

But hey, these are the same criminals who might commit an atrocious crime so better sweep them up in your asanine policies.

Edit* also the fact that this seemingly does not apply to native people is fucking grossssss.. for fuck sakes #Reconciliation

SkinnyPupp 05-01-2020 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 8985140)
Everyone an expert in something they’ve never even touched in this thread.

They do have comparisons in vehicles etc because they become worthless in their deactivation. It’s car vs a plastic model. Would anyone be interested in cars if they were made in a mold and did nothing? Like literally did nothing to the point where you can’t pop the hood or even open a door? Because that’s the equivalent to a deactivated gun. Welded shut barrel, welded shut action, welded shut receiver. Useless, a piece of metal.

Oh you have a 500hp car? Well guess what, by tomorrow you’re only allowed to have 150hp. Oh you spent a bunch of money on that “hobby” of yours? Well fuck you others didn’t so figure it out. Oh you spent thousands of dollars to get this vehicle that way? Ok well here’s $300 to cover your loss. That’s what’s happening.

People who have never held a gun, don’t participate in the hobby, know literally nothing of it, telling people who legally, safely, and actively participate in the hobby to “not worry about it” or say things like why do you need this or that obviously are not privy to the slippery slope these actions cause. It’s no different than the blind, sweeping restrictions enabled by the same libs in the 90’s.

Once you give an inch, they take a mile and they do not care who gets swept up in it. That’s the issue.

This has a trickle down effect. I’d say a good portion (probably 50%+) of gun owners are also hunters. People who have continually being fucked in the ass for participating in another “hobby” well these people are also some of the biggest advocates and participants in conversation and habitat rehabilitation for wildlife. As these people dry up and there become fewer and fewer who want to participate there is going to be a DRASTIC effect to wildlife and habitat conservation, mark my words. The only reason the govt. funds these projects at all is because there are organizations like the BCWF, Ducks Unlimited, etc. Which have countless volunteers, some who literally dedicate their lives to wildlife conservation. This is another huge hit to participation in these groups.

But hey, these are the same criminals who might commit an atrocious crime so better sweep them up in your asanine policies.

Edit* also the fact that this seemingly does not apply to native people is fucking grossssss.. for fuck sakes #Reconciliation

Maybe some time in the future, collecting people-killers and shooting paper targets shaped like people with them will be seen as a relic of our violent past, and the only such guns that exist will be disabled permanently.

We'll look back at things like guns designed to harm people, and gas powered engines, as crude but necessary tools of our history, but we'll have moved on to better things since then.

Maybe this is just one step towards that, and can be considered a sort of 'growing pain' to society.

Because hunters will still be able to hunt, target enthusiasts will still be able to shoot targets with other types of guns.

I think this particular ban is sloppy and crude and leaves too much to misinterpretation, but the whole thing is kind of a sloppy mess to begin with, since nobody can agree on many terms.

If I was the type of gun enthusiast to be affected by this, I'd be pretty annoyed, but overall there are other more important things to worry about than not being able to own some very specific guns.

If feel like you can get around this dumb "assault style weapon" ban and enjoy a different gun, and feel like you can prove that "the ban was pointless, see I can still use this BAR rifle and it's just as dangerous as an AR-15".... well, go ahead.

twitchyzero 05-01-2020 04:59 PM

weapons to kill aren't going away as long as humans walk the earth
we've been violent the day we got here

just because i don't own doesn't mean i haven't tried tannerites and skeet targets, full autos with attachments etc. in the bush on multiple occasions

Bouncing Bettys 05-01-2020 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 8985137)
I wish people would stop trying to make the same analogy over and over that doesn't work. You're like the 4th person to do so in this very thread.

Collecting things that are designed to kill people is not the same as collecting muscle cars or watches.

Not anti gun here, but I would never use that argument.

I wasn't really making that argument. Simply pointing out that no two guns are the same and enthusiasts know that all guns have their own characteristics. Types, calibres, materials, etc. Even different manufacturers of the same models. I can tell you from experience how much better a Russian SKS is than a Chinese made copy. You asked why enthusiasts couldn't just enjoy disabled firearms or be happy with what remains unbanned. Because just like a car enthusiast wants to own and enjoy dangerous, gas guzzling, unreliable cars so long as they demonstrate safe practices, so too should a gun enthusiast. I don't want my options whittled down to econoboxes and nerf guns.

MarkyMark 05-01-2020 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hondaracer (Post 8985140)
Edit* also the fact that this seemingly does not apply to native people is fucking grossssss.. for fuck sakes #Reconciliation

Is that confirmed? If so that's pretty retarded.

Hondaracer 05-01-2020 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkyMark (Post 8985146)
Is that confirmed? If so that's pretty retarded.

My interpretation of the wording is that there is an assumption the weapons some of them use currently cannot be easily replaced therefore you can continue to keep and use the “illegal” weapons you possess.

Ie. you’re using some AR with a 7.62 round which is ridiculously cheap compared to hunting rifle rounds, as I said you can buy HUNDREDS of rounds that go into these guns compared to say a 7mm hunting rifle which may run you $80-$150 for 20 rounds. As the price difference and the cost of buying an actual hunting rifle VS the current “illegal” gun you posses, you might as well keep using and possessing the illegal gun.

Turd wouldn’t want to step on any toes in his ever clouding quest of reconciliation.


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