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Presto 03-21-2022 11:37 AM

Fucking despicable war criminals

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Chilling account of Radio France fixer who was kidnapped and tortured by Russian soldiers in Ukraine

Kidnapped by Russian troops on 5 March, Nikita (his name is changed for his safety) was held for nine days. He was beaten with an iron bar, tortured with electricity, and subjected to a mock execution. Reporters Without Borders (RSF) has collected and verified his story.

A week after the facts, RSF reveals the shocking account of a 32 years old Ukrainian fixer and interpreter, who was taken prisoner by Russian soldiers on March 5 in central Ukraine. Held captive for 9 days, left in an icy cellar, he was repeatedly tortured. This man (the name was changed for security reasons) was detained alone before being joined by three other prisoners, including a former senior Ukrainian civil servant. Nikita’s account is frightening : machine-gunning of his car, torture with a knife and electricity, repeated beatings with rifle butts and steel bars in the face and body, mock execution, food deprivation for 48 hours…

Safe (for the time being) in a Ukrainian town, Nikita told RSF about his nine days of horror. Although trained as a lawyer and manager, Nikita has worked intermittently as a fixer and interpreter for foreign media since 2013. The media outlets he has worked for include France 2, BFMTV and RFI. Last month, the IT company that employs him began having problems because of the war, so he started working fulltime as a fixer, this time with Radio France. Among the foreign reporters who have employed him, those contacted by RSF are unanimous: he is very professional, serious and competent. And like any Ukrainian, he has been very worried about his family as the indiscriminate Russian bombardments have grown in intensity.

RSF began looking for Nikita after being told by Radio France on 8 March that he was missing and, after his release, finally established contact with him via the Press Freedom Centre that has been opened in Lviv. His account was taken down by senior staffs of RSF’s Advocacy and Assistance Department during several sessions on 17 and 18 March. The various parts of his account were corroborated by interviews with a member of his family, with one of his former fellow prisoners, and with two Radio France journalists. An RSF staff accompanied him during his medical examination, which confirmed the physical mistreatment to which he was subjected, in particular, the bruising and other injuries to his legs where electric shocks were inflicted. RSF was also present during his calls to his family.

RSF plans to pass his account to the International Criminal Court’s chief prosecutor, as a follow-up to the two complaints that it has already filed with the prosecutor on 4 and 16 March.

“Nikita has given us a chilling testimony that confirms the intensity of the war crimes perpetrated by the Russian army against journalists,” RSF secretary-general Christophe Deloire said. “Passing his testimony on to the ICC prosecutor is the least we can do for this courageous young fixer.”

Although traumatised by the ordeal he has gone through, Nikita is determined to continue working as a fixer in order to help realise the right to news and information. It is his way of contributing to his country’s freedom because he says he is no good at wielding a gun. One of his fellow detainees is hospitalised with seriously injuries. The fate of the former senior civil servant is unknown. The other prisoner, the one RSF was able to contact, said he got away without too many injuries or other consequences. When RSF asked him why he thought they were released rather than executed, he replied: “I don’t think they had the courage to dig graves.”

Oleg Baturin, a Ukrainian journalist who was released on 20 March after being held for eight days by the Russian army and being treated in a similar manner, said: “They wanted to break me, walk all over me, to show what will happen to every journalist, that you will be killed.”

A week after the facts, RSF reveals the shocking account of a 32 years old Ukrainian fixer and interpreter, who was taken prisoner by Russian soldiers on March 5 in central Ukraine. Held captive for 9 days, left in an icy cellar, he was repeatedly tortured. This man (the name was changed for security reasons) was detained alone before being joined by three other prisoners, including a former senior Ukrainian civil servant. Nikita’s account is frightening : machine-gunning of his car, torture with a knife and electricity, repeated beatings with rifle butts and steel bars in the face and body, mock execution, food deprivation for 48 hours…

NIKITA'S STORY

Safe (for the time being) in a Ukrainian town, Nikita told RSF about his nine days of horror. Although trained as a lawyer and manager, Nikita has worked intermittently as a fixer and interpreter for foreign media since 2013. The media outlets he has worked for include France 2, BFMTV and RFI. Last month, the IT company that employs him began having problems because of the war, so he started working fulltime as a fixer, this time with Radio France. Among the foreign reporters who have employed him, those contacted by RSF are unanimous: he is very professional, serious and competent. And like any Ukrainian, he has been very worried about his family as the indiscriminate Russian bombardments have grown in intensity.

RSF began looking for Nikita after being told by Radio France on 8 March that he was missing and, after his release, finally established contact with him via the Press Freedom Centre that has been opened in Lviv. His account was taken down by senior staffs of RSF’s Advocacy and Assistance Department during several sessions on 17 and 18 March. The various parts of his account were corroborated by interviews with a member of his family, with one of his former fellow prisoners, and with two Radio France journalists. An RSF staff accompanied him during his medical examination, which confirmed the physical mistreatment to which he was subjected, in particular, the bruising and other injuries to his legs where electric shocks were inflicted. RSF was also present during his calls to his family.

RSF plans to pass his account to the International Criminal Court’s chief prosecutor, as a follow-up to the two complaints that it has already filed with the prosecutor on 4 and 16 March.

“Nikita has given us a chilling testimony that confirms the intensity of the war crimes perpetrated by the Russian army against journalists,” RSF secretary-general Christophe Deloire said. “Passing his testimony on to the ICC prosecutor is the least we can do for this courageous young fixer.”

Although traumatised by the ordeal he has gone through, Nikita is determined to continue working as a fixer in order to help realise the right to news and information. It is his way of contributing to his country’s freedom because he says he is no good at wielding a gun. One of his fellow detainees is hospitalised with seriously injuries. The fate of the former senior civil servant is unknown. The other prisoner, the one RSF was able to contact, said he got away without too many injuries or other consequences. When RSF asked him why he thought they were released rather than executed, he replied: “I don’t think they had the courage to dig graves.”

Oleg Baturin, a Ukrainian journalist who was released on 20 March after being held for eight days by the Russian army and being treated in a similar manner, said: “They wanted to break me, walk all over me, to show what will happen to every journalist, that you will be killed.”

pastarocket 03-21-2022 01:42 PM

RUSSIA - UKRAINE - war or posturing? Definitely war
 
- An asset tracker tool to used to look at the possessions of Russian oligarchs:

https://www.occrp.org/en/investigations


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SkinnyPupp 03-22-2022 06:55 AM


Acura604 03-22-2022 09:21 AM

What's in it for Belarus?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/22/europ...ine/index.html

Washington (CNN)The US and NATO believe that Belarus could "soon" join Russia in its war against Ukraine, US and NATO officials tell CNN, and that the country is already taking steps to do so.

It is increasingly "likely" that Belarus will enter the conflict, a NATO military official said on Monday. "(Russian President Vladimir) Putin needs support. Anything would help," the official explained.
A Belarusian opposition source said that Belarusian combat units are ready to go into Ukraine as soon as in the next few days, with thousands of forces prepared to deploy. In this source's view, this would have less of an impact militarily than it will geopolitically, given the implications of another country joining the war.
A senior NATO intelligence official said separately that the alliance assesses that the Belarusian government "is preparing the environment to justify a Belarusian offensive against Ukraine."

pastarocket 03-22-2022 09:24 AM

Russia just pissed off the Japanese government. LUL

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/21/asia/...hnk/index.html

(Reuters)Japan reacted angrily on Tuesday after Russia withdrew from peace treaty talks with Japan and froze joint economic projects related to the disputed Kuril Islands because of sanctions imposed by Tokyo over Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Russia and Japan have still not formally ended World War II hostilities because of the standoff over islands just off Japan's northernmost island of Hokkaido, known in Russia as the Kurils and in Japan as the Northern Territories. The islands were seized by the Soviets at the end of World War II.
"Under the current conditions Russia does not intend to continue negotiations with Japan on a peace treaty," the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement, citing Japan's "openly unfriendly positions and attempts to damage the interests of our country."
Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida said he strongly opposed Russia's decision, terming it "unfair" and "completely unacceptable."
"This entire situation has been created by Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and Russia's response to push this onto Japan-Russia relations is extremely unfair and completely unacceptable," he said, adding that Japan's attitudes towards seeking a peace treaty were unchanged and it had protested the Russian move.

"Japan must resolutely continue to sanction Russia in cooperation with the rest of the world," he added.

Chief Cabinet Secretary Hirokazu Matsuno said Japan had lodged a protest with Russia's ambassador in Tokyo.
In response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Japan last week announced plans to revoke Russia's most-favored nation trade status, expand the scope of asset freezes against Russian elites and ban imports of certain products.

When announcing the measures last week, Kishida said that Japan will also collaborate with international aid agencies to deliver food and medicine to Ukrainians. He added Japan had started accepting evacuees from Ukraine and called on the public's support.

Presto 03-22-2022 11:16 AM

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukrain...rson-1.6391816
These journalists filmed the agony in Mariupol and escaped while being hunted down by Russian forces

Spoiler!

pastarocket 03-22-2022 01:22 PM

This could be an even more grim phase of the war:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/22/europ...ine/index.html

The US and NATO believe that Belarus could "soon" join Russia in its war against Ukraine, US and NATO officials tell CNN, and that the country is already taking steps to do so.

It is increasingly "likely" that Belarus will enter the conflict, a NATO military official said on Monday. "(Russian President Vladimir) Putin needs support. Anything would help," the official explained.

A Belarusian opposition source said that Belarusian combat units are ready to go into Ukraine as soon as in the next few days, with thousands of forces prepared to deploy. In this source's view, this would have less of an impact militarily than it will geopolitically, given the implications of another country joining the war.
A senior NATO intelligence official said separately that the alliance assesses that the Belarusian government "is preparing the environment to justify a Belarusian offensive against Ukraine."

Russia has launched its attack on Ukraine in part from Belarus' territory, and thousands of Russian troops amassed in Belarus ahead of the Kremlin's invasion of Ukraine last month, which the two countries had claimed was for training exercises. US and European sanctions in response to the war have targeted both Russian and Belarusian officials, including Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko.

SkinnyPupp 03-22-2022 10:13 PM

Belarus will have even lower morale than Russian soldiers. They are a puppet state to Russia, but unlike many (most?) Russians, the people don't buy into the propaganda as much.

Edit: Here's an article that supports this.

Quote:

"The possibility of involving the armed forces of the Republic of Belarus in the war against Ukraine on the side of the Russian Federation exists. But, according to available information, a large number of personnel and some commanders refuse to participate in occupation against our state," the report says.
Also unlike with Russia, we know how capable their military is.. And I think based on that, people won't be surprised this time around by their capabilities (or lack thereof).

BTW


pastarocket 03-23-2022 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 9058722)
Belarus will have even lower morale than Russian soldiers. They are a puppet state to Russia, but unlike many (most?) Russians, the people don't buy into the propaganda as much.

Edit: Here's an article that supports this.



Also unlike with Russia, we know how capable their military is.. And I think based on that, people won't be surprised this time around by their capabilities (or lack thereof).

BTW

https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/sta...53063267241994


Perhaps the Belarus military would not be used in a combat role to fight the Ukrainian military?

What if the the Russians found out the secret corridors in which NATO is funnelling weapons like anti aircraft systems into Ukraine? Those corridors could be located in the northwest part of Ukraine. NATO countries like Poland could be the location of the logistics hub for moving American and other NATO countries' weapons by plane.

Putin could ask Belarus to attack the NATO convoys that are sending weapons through the secret corridors.

murd0c 03-23-2022 10:19 AM

If NATO convoys are attacked I really wonder would happen next?

Great68 03-23-2022 10:27 AM

I doubt they're sending NATO badged military trucks in. They're probably just sending arms in on civilian trucks.

westopher 03-23-2022 10:29 AM

Putin continues to move the goalposts as to what constitutes an act of aggression from nato countries. A rat backed into a corner will try and chew it’s way out. How much can he chew through nato before it attacks back? I have no idea, but this will only get worse until Putin ends up dead.

Great68 03-23-2022 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by westopher (Post 9058753)
How much can he chew through nato before it attacks back? I have no idea, but this will only get worse until Putin ends up dead.


I think it has been pretty well established at this point that it's going to take a direct attack on NATO territory for NATO to take any military action.

westopher 03-23-2022 10:57 AM

I’m aware, but he gets closer to doing that as “retaliation” for nato “attacks.” As Putin has considered any help from nato countries aggression, how long until he launches an attack? Then there will be retaliation. It’s been made pretty clear that nato countries won’t launch the first attack but as he loses control his chances of launching an attack becomes more likely.

teggy604 03-23-2022 11:04 AM

Just waiting for Putin to start WWIII.

quasi 03-23-2022 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westopher (Post 9058762)
I’m aware, but he gets closer to doing that as “retaliation” for nato “attacks.” As Putin has considered any help from nato countries aggression, how long until he launches an attack? Then there will be retaliation. It’s been made pretty clear that nato countries won’t launch the first attack but as he loses control his chances of launching an attack becomes more likely.

I know he's crazy but he still has to realize if he does start it with Nato he's going to get annihilated and quick. I suppose at that point maybe he just DGAF but you would hope he'd have enough sense to realize this.

Hondaracer 03-23-2022 11:19 AM

Nukes could really throw a wrench in my Oktoberfest plans :/

68style 03-23-2022 11:50 AM

Someone always fuckin with you getting your drink on these days haha

murd0c 03-23-2022 12:06 PM

I think its going to be a direct attack or Putin using chemical weapons for NATO to get officially involved in fighting back.

underscore 03-23-2022 01:23 PM

Putin just makes up whatever he wants to about NATO when he wants to justify something. If he actually wants to launch nukes I doubt it will matter if NATO has or hasn't done something to trigger it.

SkinnyPupp 03-23-2022 03:42 PM

I saw a tweet from a someone formerly in Russian military and politics, and he said people are making a mistake attributing the 'crazy' and 'unhinged' persona to Putin. What he's doing looks crazy from the outside, but in his own mind what he's doing makes perfect sense.

So while he's making really bad decisions, they aren't "insane" decisions, like deciding to nuke a NATO country... He's not going to do that. He's going to keep fighting Ukraine until in his mind he has achieved his goals, or he is defeated.

Ukraine on their own won't be able to defeat him though, so really someone has to take him out.

Acura604 03-23-2022 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 9058808)
I saw a tweet from a someone formerly in Russian military and politics, and he said people are making a mistake attributing the 'crazy' and 'unhinged' persona to Putin. What he's doing looks crazy from the outside, but in his own mind what he's doing makes perfect sense.

So while he's making really bad decisions, they aren't "insane" decisions, like deciding to nuke a NATO country... He's not going to do that. He's going to keep fighting Ukraine until in his mind he has achieved his goals, or he is defeated.

Ukraine on their own won't be able to defeat him though, so really someone has to take him out.

with the amount of weaponry the WEST is sending, Ukraine has a chance to at least stall the Russians to the point of... F This, we're going home.

BUT - once they figure out the various supply routes and cut it off - then its over.

SkinnyPupp 03-23-2022 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acura604 (Post 9058824)
with the amount of weaponry the WEST is sending, Ukraine has a chance to at least stall the Russians to the point of... F This, we're going home.

BUT - once they figure out the various supply routes and cut it off - then its over.

Oh they can definitely stall them, pretty much indefinitely. But Russia thinks they can keep attacking pretty much indefinitely as well. It is possible that they can be driven all the way back to the borders though - let's hope so. Maybe even kick them out of Crimea as well.

MG1 03-23-2022 08:31 PM

Poland has been a huge player in the conflict. Sure, they have to, 'cause they're going to be the country bordering on commies, but they have done so much.

Can't thank them enough.............

whitev70r 03-23-2022 09:36 PM

It's been like a month now ...how long does it take the Russian generals to plan an assassination ??!!


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