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I have an extensive stamp collection that focusses on the Queen. So many different portraits of her. Everything from Karsh and Wilding to Caricatures, Cameo, and official portraits and phots. My favourite, which is not on any stamp (at least I don't think so), is the one that adorned the halls of all schools in Canada. I remember seeing it in the main entrance of Strathcona Elementary. You look at it and it stirs something in you. For Queen and Country.......... yeah, different times, for sure.
Her coronation, wedding, now her passing.............
RCMP Musical Ride members were at the service on Monday and played a huge role.https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/the-sp...eral-1.6074444. Imagine if all the regiments from around the commonwealth were in one place. Anyway...............
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Youth is, indeed, wasted on the young.
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Dirty look from MG1 can melt steel beams.
"There must be dissonance before resolution - MG1" a musical reference.
Every positive post about the Queen is a personal attack on Manic. He has no choice but to search YouTube for more ammunition to bring the mood back down to his level.
My uncle who served as an eventual captain in the Canadian Air Force was award this below by the queen.
Manic! you're not being edgy by spewing hate for British colonialism, we all know it was bad, alas there will always be conquerors and the conquered.
Be that as it may, however you feel about the Queen she represented a lot to many a people, you might not have known that certain ranking servicemen in Canada receive such recognition from the crown. I'm certainly very proud of my uncle receiving this way back when, and I'm proud of him.
My uncle by the way is as lefty leaning as you can get, a Commie through and through, even in his old age.
I think when you get older you'll learn when to separate a person from the bigger picture of things, life isn't so simple as that. One can represent something for many and be seen as an inspiration, even if the very system they represent can be deemed as fallible.
I'm not trying to be edgy. My views are the views of millions. Image people who had family members who were part of the Nazi party showing off all the stuff their family stole from the Jews. That's what the royal family is doing right now. It's 2022 people no royal families should exist anywhere in this world.
fter the end of Britain’s tyrannical three-century-long rule across a majority of the world, the captors returned back to their homes with treasures plundered from their colonies.
For us Indians, the return of the Koh-i-noor had long been a point of contention with our former colonial overlords.
And now, South Africa joins the party as it has instructed England to return their diamond.
The South African jewel is considered the world’s largest known clear-cut diamond. Along with the Indian origin Koh-i-noor, the Cullinan I finds itself a part of the Royal loot aka The Crown Jewels.
Also known as the Great Star of Africa, the diamond is valued at around INR 3,18,60,200.
One could argue that without British colonialism the Indian subcontinent would be some fractured backwater of multiple states. Or an authoritarian Communist state like 1960s China. I mean today the whole country's competitive advantage is the fact that it's cheap labour can speak English.
One could argue that without British colonialism the Indian subcontinent would be some fractured backwater of multiple states. Or an authoritarian Communist state like 1960s China. I mean today the whole country's competitive advantage is the fact that it's cheap labour can speak English.
From 1 CE all the way through the next two millennia up to 1700 CE, all the large scale industries like mining, metallurgy, textiles, arts, and crafts flourished in India. They boosted trade to such an extent that India held about 1/4th of the world’s GDP (Gross Domestic Product). Yes, the economic history of India is truly astounding.
Rise & fall
The supremacy of India in the world of trade has been brought out by the modern economist Paul Kennedy in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers. He observes, “India’s share in world trade, which was a very healthy 25 percent of the total world trade, drastically dropped to a decimal percentage in a span of 200 years, which was the period of the British rule of India.”
Imagine saying sometimes rape is OK if a kid is born.
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^ saying an opinion on turn of the century world power dynamics is the same mentality as a person today saying they’re okay with rape?
My point was ends don't justify the means. during WW2 over 3 million Bengali's died of famine because of the British exporting food out of the country.
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I'll be the first to admit my historical knowledge of India is patchy at best. And I'm not saying that British rule was benevolent...far from it. But of course India has great material wealth, it's a subcontinent full of people. And there's no question the Brits extracted an enormous amount of that material wealth. I'm talking about India's relevance in today's economy
Genuine question...But was India ever a unified state prior to 1700? I mean the South is pretty goddamn different from the North. It's hard to see these two cultures coming together without colonial intervention
Alls I'm saying is that India as an IT powerhouse today wouldn't be possible without colonial remnants like the English Language, Common Law, and Education.
I think what people are saying is that you can help countries and nations with economic and educational advancement, etc. but don't steal their treasures, enslave their people, and try to wipe out their culture.
Maybe even Manic! (and others) can agree with this.
Yup colonialism Bad, but it really was a first try at what we now call globalization and the thousandth iteration of human "might makes right" nature. The whole narrative that the British Empire was benevolent is literally history written by the victors. But let's not fool ourselves, if it wasn't them it would have been someone else.
Imagine me punching you in the face repentantly then stopping and saying you must be so grateful I was here to stop you from getting punched in the face.
__________________ Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.
Alls I'm saying is that India as an IT powerhouse today wouldn't be possible without colonial remnants like the English Language, Common Law, and Education.
This is purely anecdotal evidence at best, having travelled to Bangalore, Chennai, and Pune for technology-related work and meeting with Indian companies, at least a dozen or so people I met working at the companies agreed that it was the English language that unified them and opened up opportunities for them. I took it with a grain of salt, but this is what they said to me. Without the English language, they wouldn't be where they are today.
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Think of the world back in the 14 to 1800's. Its was like the space race of not that long ago. You had the French, the Spaniards, Portuguese, and Russians all competing for lands, territories, and riches. Looking for the alternate passage to the East. Explorers sailed under the flags of their country. Even Italia (Florence) - Amerigo Vespucci......... Christopher Columbus was also Italian, but sailed for Spain.
All because Marco Polo found his way to the Orient. Came back with all kinds of goodies. Europeans were so enthralled by all the neat shit, that all the countries of Europe wanted to find a safe passage to the east. Going by land was treacherous. Often impassable. Anyway, these nations just took what they wanted and claimed the territories along the way. Then there was jack Sparrow.......... pirates, lol.
Most nations (loose term) were just taken over by the Europeans.
The Gorkha's for example, were fierce fighters. Anyway, the world was much more complicated when it came to empires, military presence, and such. The advances in technology and strategies. Crazy..........
Forgot to mention the church (christianity). They were in there like a dirty shirt. In the name of god. "We need to spread the word of god!" Save these savages from darkness and evil.
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Youth is, indeed, wasted on the young.
YODO = You Only Die Once.
Dirty look from MG1 can melt steel beams.
"There must be dissonance before resolution - MG1" a musical reference.
I'll be the first to admit my historical knowledge of India is patchy at best. And I'm not saying that British rule was benevolent...far from it. But of course India has great material wealth, it's a subcontinent full of people. And there's no question the Brits extracted an enormous amount of that material wealth. I'm talking about India's relevance in today's economy
Genuine question...But was India ever a unified state prior to 1700? I mean the South is pretty goddamn different from the North. It's hard to see these two cultures coming together without colonial intervention
Alls I'm saying is that India as an IT powerhouse today wouldn't be possible without colonial remnants like the English Language, Common Law, and Education.
India is a country made up by the British.
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Over a period of six weeks in the summer of 1947, Cyril Radcliffe, a British lawyer who had never been to India and had no experience in boundary-making, drew a 2500-mile-long line that would divide India and Pakistan.
I think what people are saying is that you can help countries and nations with economic and educational advancement, etc. but don't steal their treasures, enslave their people, and try to wipe out their culture.
Maybe even Manic! (and others) can agree with this.
What you are talking about is called the white savior complex. It's where western countries/people think they know what's best for other nations. India did not ask for help and did not need it. It was not some backwater hole. The sub-continent invented paper and the written language. It also invented the number zero.
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Helping people is a good thing, right?
Not always.
White savior complex is a term that’s used to describe white people who consider themselves wonderful helpers to Black, Indigenous and People of Color (BIPOC) — but they “help” for the wrong reasons (and sometimes end up doing more to hurt than help).
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Before the British occupation, India was not a poor backwater, but a culturally and economically prosperous civilization that had existed for millennia. India was home to the oldest university in the world, had originated our numerical system, had produced countless thinkers, philosophers, poets, and scientists.
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