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A gender studies professor and two students were injured and hospitalized while one person was arrested after a stabbing at the University of Waterloo.
Waterloo Regional Police said officers were called to the school at 3:30 p.m. on Wednesday, after receiving reports of a stabbing at Hagey Hall.
Speaking to reporters on Wednesday evening, Waterloo police Supt. Shaena Morris said three victims were injured but were in non-life-threatening condition.
Morris said a male was “quickly” arrested after the incident, with the help of the university’s special constables.
In a tweet at around 4:50 p.m., the school said there was “no further threat to our campus community,” and asked people in Hagey Hall to vacate “immediately” leaving all the doors open.
According to Morris, the incident occurred inside a classroom in Hagey Hall.
The person in custody is a member of the university community, Morris confirmed.
Nick Manning, the associate vice-president of communications at the university said the incident occurred in a second-year philosophy class, adding that two students and a professor were injured.
Students at the university told Global News the stabbing occurred during a gender studies class.
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No you can't be gay/transgender/bi etc is kind of like the whole "pray the gay away" mentality, and I would be very surprised if anyone (who isnt an absolute idiot) on RS would accept that type of mentality.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
It's not accepting a child's gender identity or not, I totally hear the above who said, 'It's your son/daughter, regardless, you love them and support them.' 100%!
That's not really the issue I brought forth, it's do you think it's appropriate for school admin, teachers to require a parent's consent before addressing the student by their preferred pronoun (assuming it's not the one at birth) if child is under 16. For those who would give consent at 12, 13, or 14, etc. ... this proposed revision is not an issue. You give consent, the admin and teacher will honour that and address your child by his/her preferred pronoun.
Again, it's not back to the issue, will you support your child of his/her sexual identity etc. it is: Do you think there is wisdom for the school board to include family agreement and consent in this big/huge step?
With teenagers (or maybe even pre-teens), I'd say it is very difficult to apply a fixed (age) number to drive or support a policy because different teens mature at vastly different pace. I used to know some 14 yr old kid who is already super responsible and pretty mature for her age. But on the other hand, I've also met 16, 17 yrs old who have no clue on what the heck is going on in the bigger world. (And on that note, some jurisdictions are are trying to lower the voting age to 16 or younger... )
The difficulty with children is -- until they hit the age of majority -- most things that they do that could lead to impactful consequences require parental consent. If you look at it under that light, then I guess you can say setting under 16 as the age to require parental consent is an improvement. But on the other hand, that same age of 16 is far too old and far too long for a teenager who is more mentally mature.
If you expand the issue to gender affirming care, it becomes an even bigger dilemma. From a physiological POV, the ideal time to start hormonal treatment would be before puberty to suppress the physical gender traits that start developing during puberty -- I'm pretty sure I am not using the proper terms here, but you know what I mean. But psychologically, pre-puberty is probably a little too early to do this.
So I feel like you can't slap a fixed age on this sort of thing, but the legal system that we have in place pretty much functions around that.
I hear what you are saying - physical, mental, relational maturity is a spectrum ... but nevertheless, we have voting age, driving age, drinking age, age you can rent a car, etc. Society has to have some markers even though you cannot please everyone, I guess it is aimed at the majority.
But even to follow up with the issue you raised, gender affirming care. The argument that is proposed is parental agreement and consent. I think this is the crux of much of the 'right wing' or right of center perspective. Sure, if parents agree with a 13 yr old starting with puberty blockers, no problems, health care will provide. It's something this big and life changing ... can doctors go ahead based on a 13 yo wanting it and without consent of parents?
If it is not obvious, I strongly side with parental agreement and consent. If the family agrees, by all means ... go ahead. I don't think insisting on this (parental agreement/consent for youths under 16) put you on the scarey boogey man caricature that Trudeau is trying to portray as they go ballistic hostile against the New Brunswick situation. Who knows, maybe I am a scarey boogeyman that the left should be afraid of and picket outside my house. Honestly, this is so common sense to me, namely parental consent/agreement for anything significant for kids under 16. I think I am revealing my age.
If my 12 year old wanted gender reassignment for psychological reasons they are going to pay out of pocket for it and not burden other taxpayers or the medical system. If they want it bad enough then they can figure out how to sell 15000 lemonades. I can respect someone that puts in the effort for what they want even if I don’t agree with it.
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I hear what you are saying - physical, mental, relational maturity is a spectrum ... but nevertheless, we have voting age, driving age, drinking age, age you can rent a car, etc. Society has to have some markers even though you cannot please everyone, I guess it is aimed at the majority.
But even to follow up with the issue you raised, gender affirming care. The argument that is proposed is parental agreement and consent. I think this is the crux of much of the 'right wing' or right of center perspective. Sure, if parents agree with a 13 yr old starting with puberty blockers, no problems, health care will provide. It's something this big and life changing ... can doctors go ahead based on a 13 yo wanting it and without consent of parents?
If it is not obvious, I strongly side with parental agreement and consent. If the family agrees, by all means ... go ahead. I don't think insisting on this (parental agreement/consent for youths under 16) put you on the scarey boogey man caricature that Trudeau is trying to portray as they go ballistic hostile against the New Brunswick situation. Who knows, maybe I am a scarey boogeyman that the left should be afraid of and picket outside my house. Honestly, this is so common sense to me, namely parental consent/agreement for anything significant for kids under 16. I think I am revealing my age.
You are talking about the boogey man perspective here, but the right is doing the exact same thing. We aren't going to have this flood of gender reassignment surgeries. It's just not something to be worried about. Also the facade of the (hard) right wingers giving a fuck about kids is a pretty big laugh considering it's the same people who think "Jesus vaccinated my kids naturally, I don't want vaccinated blood transfusions for my kid, no abortions allowed regardless of the circumstances but when the kid is born we don't want tax dollars to fund programs for their well being, etc"
From my perspective the issue with the NB thing has to do with the fact they need parental consent to use the preferred pronouns for the kids in school if they are under 16 and if the parents disagree, they will go against the child's wishes. Also, they will essentially out the child, regardless of their wishes, to their parents. Who knows what they are dealing with at home? Think of some of the abuse trans and lgbtq kids have experienced from their parents over the years.
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The fact you're all acting as if kids are mature enough to decide for themselves what they want or that they even have the mental capacity to foresee pros/cons of their decisions is frightening... Especially when we know a person's brain doesn't fully develop until their mid 20s the part of the brain that involves decision making at that
I wouldn't be surprised if you guys are fine with kids dating adults then since they must have been able to fully contemplate and decide for themselves on such a relationship
This is a sample of 1, and I am not claiming whether it is representative of the situation in general -- it probably isn't. But the fact remains that some people have been born with a mind that does not align with their physical birth gender.
We -- or at least me -- are not saying all kids are mature enough to make these important decisions. But some of them are. As adults, I think we should do our best to support those who are mature enough to make these important decisions for themselves.
To follow up on the comment that the human brain doesn't fully develop until our mid 20's -- we all know alcohol and now cannabis are legal for consumption in Canada in the 18 - 19 yrs old range, and we know alcohol and cannabis affect cognitive functions, esp for regular users. Do people drink / smoke pot before 18? I think my first time drinking alcohol on my own accord was something in the 14 - 15 range at a friend's party. (I have no interest in pot since I don't like the smell.)
I see the whole LGBTQ thing as a matter of respect.
It's their decision to feel/think/love in particular way. Regardless of how I feel about it, I respect their decision. It's their to make. It's got NOTHING to do with me.
Nevertheless, kids don't have the mental/physical development to make a decision yet. There are cases that the very same kid goes through various gender identities.
And if any kid, including my own, come to me and say "I identify myself as xxx". I'd say good to know and you can be whatever you want to be.
But for a kid to go through puberty treatment or any form of physical gender-affirming treatments that would have a permanent effect, that's not something I'd ever agree on.
As a parent, I have to responsibility to care, encourage and guide my kids.
I don't OWN them. They are not my pets that I'd make whatever decision for them.
In the case of Traum's video... the "boy" identifies as girl and like to do anything that a girl likes to do. I don't know the exact situation that she's in, but I'd assume that she gets happiness (dopamine effect) by doing girl stuff.
And if the parents tell her that she'd be more like a girl by going through this treatment. This is like asking a kid who likes sweets that if he buys the chocolate bar, he'd get a chance to see Willy Wonka. Of course that's going to be the thing that she wants to do. And might even feel depressed if she couldn't get it done. But if the only way for your kids to feel happy is to go through a medical procedure, I think you have some problem in your parenting.
Instead, just do what a parent should do. Protect and encourage her. Make sure that she is not mistreated for her preference. But do explain it to her why this matters and it's her decision to make once she's old enough.
The fact you're all acting as if kids are mature enough to decide for themselves what they want or that they even have the mental capacity to foresee pros/cons of their decisions is frightening...
They're asking to use different pronouns, that's it. What exactly are the potential cons? It's a couple words.
Growing up a few of my friends went by names that aren't their legal first names. Middle names, nicknames, etc. and there was never an issue with it.
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Guarantee you private school enrolment skyrockets in the future as all this BS plagues public schools.
Mark my words, people who can’t even afford to do it will begin to enroll in private catholic schools just to avoid all this. I’ve talked to a few people who have gone this route already.
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The fact you're all acting as if kids are mature enough to decide for themselves what they want or that they even have the mental capacity to foresee pros/cons of their decisions is frightening... Especially when we know a person's brain doesn't fully develop until their mid 20s the part of the brain that involves decision making at that
I wouldn't be surprised if you guys are fine with kids dating adults then since they must have been able to fully contemplate and decide for themselves on such a relationship
Wouldn't want your kid to resent you
I find it a bit strange that all the drag queens are always men pretending to be women...and never the other way around. Hmmmmm
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They're asking to use different pronouns, that's it. What exactly are the potential cons? It's a couple words.
Growing up a few of my friends went by names that aren't their legal first names. Middle names, nicknames, etc. and there was never an issue with it.
I refuse to play along with their mental disorder. It's that simple.
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mixed girls that look predominatly asian with subtle caucasian features=what i'd give my left nut for -6chr0nic4
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