I wouldn't look at anything that's not at least a hybrid nowadays that's not my fun car. It makes zero sense for a commuter to not at least have partial electrification, for reasons of practicality, costs over long term, and when used correctly and correctly sized, environmental.

No a Hummer is not a good use case as you'll never recover the environmental costs of such a vehicle, but for sure the application of hybrid or PHEV in a X3, Sienna, Civic, etc makes a ton of sense.

They can't do that anymore cuz it kills ppl.

and thats why retards are running amok everywhere. Without the unsafe cars and smoking to thin out the population, you get these gen z retards.

I think it's actually a good thing TBH.

Ppl were actually dying left and right doing 50kmph with cars that take 20 secs to get up to 100. These days every car can do 100 in under 6.

I like cars, but I don't mind not being killed by a caddy with a 200lb chrome bumper. That and pop-ups would not help hit EPA mpg criteria. Oil based paints were nice, but damn that shit was bad for the enviorment.

in a whiny voice: bad for the environment! bad for the environment!

fuck you

*proceeds to pour used motor oil down the drain

Makes me feel 'hip', and younger ..

I'm with EvoFire, for daily ... cannot go back to ICE.

What was buyer of Preludes in late 90s/2000s like?

Looks like it was priced pretty high back then too:

22k: Prelude Base or GTI VR6, Integra GSR, Mustang GT, Camaro SS Z28
26k: Prelude SH or Integra Type R
31-33k: Audi TT, S2000, 328i, IS300, 9-3 SE

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Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD View Post
You'd be surprised how many people around my age (late 20s/early 30s) won't look at anything that isn't a hybrid."

That's not surprising at all. A car is a form of transport for 99% of ppl, that's why Civics and Camrys sell so well, why would you want to pay $100 bucks for a tank of gas when you can pay $20 on a hybrid and get to the same place at the exact same time?

Don't forget, insurance on the BB6 Prelude was also very expensive in Vancouver.

RIP SAAB.

Why was the BB6 insurance so expensive?

My impression was like my school teachers or like dads who wanted to be kinda cool but needed more space than Integra bought the Prelude.

I don't recall but a few guys on here when RS first started had them, and it was crazy expensive. Something about they were prone to being stolen and parts were expensive and limited. I recall one of my friends on here who had one was paying somewhere like $3500 a year while an MR2 was $2000 or so.

How many kms you do per year?
The amount of kms per year when considering ice vs hybrid should be something to consider when you think about long term cost.

Hybrid will be higher insurance cost, and if you don't drive much, your gas "savings" will be low. Your operating cost will remain high and you had to put out a price premium when you purchased just to get hybrid over ICE variant.

On our X5, we are doing around 13000km a year. We paid roughly 10k more than an equivalent X5 40i, and majority of our mileage is done in EV mode. We were filling around 2-3 tanks of gas a month in our X3 @ ~$110-120 per tank, we are putting in around $50 of electricity a month right now and around $50 of gas every 2-3 months.

Here's the math-y bit.

We got around 400-450km/ tank in the X3, X5 would probably a bit less efficient, but gas prices have dropped a bit since, so let's say 400km/$110 otherwise, and we'll round down.
13000/400 = 32.5, so we'll do 32 for a nice even number.
32 tanks x $110 = $3520 per year in fuel for a X5 40i.

I've put in gas like 5 times after owning the car for 15 months but it came with a full tank to start, so let's say 5 fillups of $50 every year.
5x $50 = $250
$50 of electricity/m
12x $50 = $600
The cost of running a X5 PHEV for us is around $850/y

Quite frankly I don't think the X5 PHEV vs regular X5 insurance carries a huge difference as we are paying $2500/y on the X5. Dark has an aneurysm everytime I talk to him about insurance because Tesla insurance costs are unusually high. It's roughly inline with my M3 at $2200/y with the X5 edging my M3 in MSRP and likely repair costs as well.

At the end of the day, comparing a regular gasser X5 vs my PHEV, I'm saving almost $3k a year in fuel for $10k more in buy in price. Then comes the other intangibles such as being able to run AC/heat with the car off, which also means I can precondition the car before I get in. IMO the drivability of the car in city traffic is just better with the electric motor with instant response off the line, that's something electrified drivetrains will have over an ICE only drivetrain.

I'll still have M3 when I want to have fun, and I'll most likely always have a fun gas car but the majority of our mileage goes on the X5.

There's other advantages to hybrid/PHEV too:

1) pre-heat or cool the cabin so gf/wife doesn't complain
2) way smoother on adaptive cruise and in stop and go
3) you can really rip it in the morning w/o warmup
4) there's some free charging stations iykyk

Random thoughts about the car:

- The tail / trunk line is just too long. This thing is dying for a properly sized wang.

- The model's success is gonna depend on final pricing and availability, and neither looks promising right now.

We already know it'll be priced somewhere between the Civic hybrid ($37k sedan / $39k for hatchback) and the Type R ($55k supposedly, but market price is nowhere close to being that low). The fewer cars there are available and the more expensive these cars are, the less popular / successful this generation of Prelude will be.

- I must be getting old and lazy bcos I feel like the absence of a manual tranny in this car would make it an enjoyable daily commuter. Traffic is increasingly getting worse in this city, and I don't need to row my own gears in when there are so many traffic lights when I am just driving around in the city.

I'm not sure what the availability of the Civic hybrid is like right now, but considering that hybrid drivetrain is basically Honda's bread and butter right now I'd imagine drivetrain availability isn't going to be an issue. If the car isn't available it would be because Honda decided to not make enough or the dealers don't want to deal with a low volume warm sporty car.

The old Prelude was expensive, imo the current Civic is expensive too and with it most likely sitting above the Civic in price yet not any hotter, I question how well it'll be received. We saw the failure that was the CR-Z. One of the allures of the original Preludes was it being a "big block" Honda with the H22. Nothing else came with an engine bigger until the K24 and J30 or NSX.

Why is that? Is regenerative braking noticeably smoother than using the brakes, for adaptive cruise systems?

That's nuts that anyone would take a base Prelude or GSR over a V8 Mustang GT, or even a GTI VR6.

And then a Prelude SH over an ITR?!

What's wrong with people?!

i think its mostly when ur accelerating that the electric motor makes it a lot smoother and responsive. no waiting for downshifts or feeling random shifting you didn't ask for.

on braking, yeah the regen brakes are smoother too.

I assume that JDM was so popular back then that buying American would be pretty lame.

Feels like VR6 is only the real contender here because American interiors and quality sucked even more back then.

imo the Mustang didn't really drive well until the 2024 S650; my S550 was bad.

The Mustangs were a pretty weak entry. A Matrix XRS would out run a new edge V6, and the interiors are terribad.

I wonder why they even bother with this. Does the gr86, Miata even sell enough to make money? It's such a mid effort. Rsx, Accord coupe, Camry coupe, crz all got discontinued. Even tlx and Acura is pretty dead for their half assed efforts. Only thing that's remotely decent is 400z but that's still too much $. Supra doesn't count cuz it's a BMW.

Typical retarded Honda. Their CTR basically prints money, nah lets go develop a new ugly piece of shit that nobody will buy and clog up assembly line instead of building more CTRs. What’s the wait on CTRs? Still 5 years or something?

The fuck is wrong with these clowns.

Hopefully the platform will pave way for a Prelude Type-R down the road, otherwise right now it feels mostly like a CVT Civic SI coupe with a hybrid powertrain. I quite like its design though.

According to the article linked below, the new Prelude in Japan costs more than the CTR and other Japanese sports cars:
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/09/ho...-hybrid-coupe/

The positioning of it really doesn't make sense. If it is really that premium then it should have been an Acura? But there's already the Integra. Then comes the issue of it not being a bespoke product. The prelude was a bespoke product, this is a Civic hybrid with a different skin. Sure you can't get a Civic Hybrid coupe, or even a coupe, but is anyone really clamoring for that particular permutation? They discontinued the Civic coupe due to poor sales, but turn around and release a Civic coupe anyways.