That's with freight and PDI too. Prelude with freight and PDI is 52,987.50.

https://driving.ca/auto-news/news/20...nadian-pricing

Canadian pricing released 49,990. Not bad. Not great. Still terrible car.

Fucking dealerships.

Someone here has GOT to buy one with the ADM. (Looks at roastpuff) :troll:

No.

I hate ADM. I refuse.

Why so miserable? :troll:

Which dealership is this? or where is this dealership? Is it in Canada? or the US? or somewhere else?

Judging from the final price this is a US dealership. $43k + 10k markup + a bunch of useless options = $61k.

The OP in the reddit thread said Kastner Honda in California

In Canada, new car prices have gotten ridiculous the last few yrs since COVID, a 2025 honda civic lx (base model) has all the honda sensing features, steel wheels with hubcaps in 2025 l0l, cost $35k cash OTD. If one was to finance it, APR % is like 6 or 7%, so you will pay a couple grand interest if the loan is 4-6 years.

On the other hand, Toyota prices haven't gotten as out of hand as Honda's, but good luck getting a popular model from the car lot right away like honda's, waitlist is painfully long, and you will most likely bend over when the dealers tack on a bunch of useless add-ons to inflate the purchase price, so toyota ends up being about the same price as honda if not more. I seriously don't understand why Vancouverites/Canadians still continue to buy both of their products...

^ new immigrants?

Back in 2016 when my dad bought a brand new 2016 (10th gen) Civic LX (with steel wheels and hubcaps), I think we paid ~$26k OTD with everything included.

Again, when you factor inflation into account, that $26k OTD becomes $33k+. Our car didn't have any of the Honda Sensing stuff, and it only had the K20C2 instead of the L15. When you compare it like that, today's $35k OTD price isn't too far off.

Naturally, the problem for me is -- my wage increase is nowhere close to the actual rate of inflation over the past 9 - 10 years.

I just happened to be playing around with the Honda Civic build & price configurator earlier today, because as I was saying, I am expecting we'll need to replace le wifey's 16 yrs old 1G RDX in a few years. As it turns out, a zero options Civic hatch sport hybrid that I thought we could get into turned out to be $44k OTD...

FML... FailFish

Back in 2015, we purchased a brand new 2015 (9th gen) Civic Touring and it was 28 or 29K OTD. R18, has Honda Sensing blind spot camera, OEM Navi, leather seats, etc.

In 2019 we bought a X3 30i for 60k out the door with premium enhanced and leather (not vinyl)

The 2026 CRV Sport Hybrid is creeping up to that price without any niceties, and the touring is the same price.

Other than leather seats, IMO there's nothing a base Civic today doesn't do better than the 9G Touring and it's also 28-29k MRSP

Because they're associated with being most reliable and retain their value. But the newer ones are having quite a few engine problems..... 1.5 turbo hondas have headgasket issues, Toyota having engine issues too. I don't buy cars often, but I still browse... I don't venture far out from Honda/toyota.

^ but your avatar is sti, here gasket gasket gaskets, sprinkle in some bearings too.


But rates were also much cheaper back in the day? 4-5%?

Also add repair bills in the future. Simple jobs like brakes is not so simple anymore. More and more electronic BS or you have to plug a computer to put it in service mode or MacGyver shit to bypass it.

Want to scan for trouble codes? well you gotta go back to dealer where they charge you $200 bucks to plug in a scanner.



New cars are more for the rich... as the middle class gets priced out and forced to take transit... lol.

At least the Civic hybrid (and by extension, almost certainly the Prelude as well) is using a K20C9 as the ICE portion of the car. K engines have long proven itself to be robust and reliable, and this C9 version seems to be an Atkinson cycle version of the (Otto cycle) K20C2, which in itself has been very reliable.

I should probably start dropping hints on le wifey to suggest trading in the RDX for some version of Civic hybrid. By the time she finally comes to terms with the need to part ways with the old RDX -- which will be measured in years -- we will probably have saved up enough money to make that down payment... FailFish

I've only bought a brand new car twice in my life... b ack in 1999 when the new Celica came out and in 2024 when I got the GR Supra.

I would never do it again unless I was obscenely wealthy. Besides being a miserable fucking experience dealing with all the upcharging and the finance person sitting you down forcing you to say no to a million add-ons and the general dealer BS and service packages, you're vastly overpaying.

I'm just buying used every time. UNLESS I had fuck you money, then who cares, order it up and customize it and pay their fees and have a proxy deal with the paperwork and BS for you for all anyone cares.

Regular people shouldn't be wasting their $ though.

For us, we tend to keep our cars for quite a long time -- usually in the 10 - 12 years range, and her RDX is already a few years older than that lol~ -- so the premium over a used vehicle is easier to absorb and justify. Also, nowadays I feel like the late model used cars are not meaningfully cheaper than brand new vehicles. Maybe that is a relfection of the BS fees and dealer mark ups that have been slapped on to the new vehicle purchases.

^ slightly used Teslas are cheap as fuck you can get 16 ish model s in the teens, newer model x in the $30s, also apparently brand new c8s are selling under MSRP in murica. :ahwow::considered:

But then I'd be driving a Tesla~ :denied:

Ewww~

#ElbowsUp :fuckyea:

Yea no thanks to Canadian made Honda. Just look at hobz Canadian rx, was his GTI Mexican? Or by drunk Germans. I want dem Japanese work ethic and precision.