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I'm not sure if you meant to ask me or dark0821, but I'll take a stab at it. Spoilered for long and boring read.
Spoiler!
Overall, I like the styling of the car and it has the usual Toyota/Lexus pedigree of reliability. I'm not interested in the specs on paper or how fast it will go to 0-60 compared to BMWs or Porsches. The appeal for me is that it's got more car than I need and the aesthetics compliment the overall design and ethos of the RC-F.
Taking the Boxster to the track has been a humbling experience to learn how much I can improve to be a better driver. What happens on the track, stays on the track, but the skills are lifelong and can be transferred to any car I move on to next. For me, the RC-F is the car that I can take to the track on the weekend and easily take it to work on Monday with little to no effort. I can't exactly say the same with the Boxster.
I feel the RC-F will be a good candidate for me to transition out of Porsche. While I've enjoyed my overall Porsche ownership experience and spending time at the track with club members, sometimes, too much of a good thing can have negative effects (which I won't go in to.) However, as life goes on, so do priorities, which are shifting for me. I'm 1/3 of the way into completing my master's and after that, it's time for me to shift my efforts into something else. I've spent a considerable amount of time in a specific industry, and perhaps time to reflect and to look for new challenges somewhere else.
Post graduation, I'd like to spend more time with my wife to go on some travels in the car and explore more of Canada and the US. She has sacrificed a lot for me to make this work. We've gone on some interesting road trips in the Corolla iM and the car has served us well. But the vehicle is good at doing one thing - getting us from point A to point B safely and reliably. Notice I never said it was fun. We've done a few trips in the Boxster and with a semi-track setup, it can really take away from the enjoyment.
The Boxster was meant to be a car to fill in the gap while we searched for our next Porsche or fun car. I'd still like to consider a Panamera for road trip use, but my wife is leaning towards the Toyota Crown. A lot of people hate the Crown for a variety of reasons, but it has so far been one of the smoothest cars I've ever driven and it likely checks off all our requirements. It goes without saying that I have a penchant for ugly looking cars. There's some Toyota black magic in that adaptive suspension in the Crown, so it's a serious contender.
As for the RC-F? It's always tugged on my heart strings. It gets a lot of hate by enthusiasts, and it looks terrible on paper against its competition. People also attribute it to being "old man" and "boring." But I don't care about that because I foresee myself holding on to this and be able to rack up lot of mileage on and off the track while being able to "do it all" in this car without having to worry too much about things while focusing on what matters to me. I hope to be able to post in the "Latest Pic Of Your Whip" thread with my very own RC-F one day.
I'm not sure if you meant to ask me or dark0821, but I'll take a stab at it. Spoilered for long and boring read.
Thanks for taking the time to write this - I think the RC-F checks all of your boxes in the case, especially if you're aware and fine with its limitations that car enthusiasts / reviewers like to trash on. It's not always about performance or value for money, and that's doubly true in the luxury segment.
I told Dukes that owning a lexus and even a Toyota has a lot of intangible factors that you take for granted. Things that if you came from another brand, would really make you think
Attention to detail:
My wife recently spilled some raw eggs in her RX. It got all over the passenger seat when she crushed them accidentally. She didn't realize this, so it sat baking in the hot sun for a whole day. You would think this yellow egg yolk would stain up the seats, or even the stitching on the seats, as that thread is white in color
Im too lazy to go take a picture of her seat, but where the red stitching is, you can imagine white.
Anyways, we found out that even this, the thread used for these leather seats, are treated with anti staining coating. After some leather conditioner, its all gone and not a single stain. She's also left the driver door open on the ES, In the rain, soaking the entire night, and not a single one of those electronics has gone wrong. If the cars can survive her ownership, you know they are well built. You try doing that with a BMW or a Mercedes, or any Italian shit and it'll short circuit, catch fire and melt down the entire car.
Thats the attention to detail by Lexus.
Look at their TSB's (technical service bulletin) its often a joke. I think for my LC there are only 2 TSBs since 2017 when the car was initially released. One for brake squeal (free pads!!) and now one for backup camera condensation.
You go take a look at GM TSB's and they say shit like switch from 0w20 to 5w30 to prevent the engine from blowing up....
I said this to dukes today; that's why there is no meets for toyota/lexus owners. Whats there to meet about? shit never fails. (at least on the older JVIN cars)
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My J VIN UX so far has had a squeaky and leaking tail gate power lift. Had one replaced under warranty and then the other side started squealing loudly after warranty expired. Just a couple weeks ago, the car started playing a message every drive, 5 minutes in to say the cellular communication module failed to initialize. I tried leaving the 12v disconnected for 30min like a reddit post suggested and it didn't fix it. I'll pro actively replace the 12v first and see if it fixes the issue, but it's super annoying to hear it every drive.
See, this is what I don't get. The 986 and 996 went through four (yes, 4 - you read that correctly) revisions of the oil dipstick. Like, why? I managed to get the latest version last month as I had the second revision all this time. The last thing I needed was to grenade this stupid motor at the track. In hindsight, this could have been a good thing.
The nail in the coffin for me with Porsche was their incompetence between Porsche Cars North America + Canada vs. Porsche Motorsport North America. No level of stupidity for a company of this calibre can repair how I feel about ownership experience. I've run out of patience with them and really, it's just not fun owning a Porsche anymore. The local dealership network is going full on stupid with what they want to deal with and what they don't want to touch. Some of them will refuse you service even if you have aftermarket wheels and non-N spec Michelin tires. Why??????????? Ugh. A lot of honest independent shops are closing up because the owners are retiring and nobody wants to work on classic cars anymore. I feel for the aircooled guys here in the GTA because very few shops will even touch them, and several of the specialists passed away recently.
I just went through the TSBs for the RC-F and they are just outright stupid in comparison to say Porsche. I think I can deal with squealing brake pads.
This whole talk of working on cars makes me want to buy an ICE car just to mess around. EV got nothing. The most I've ever done on Tesla was taking the frunk off so I can change the filter.
Speaking of which... I still regret the decision of not pulling the trigger many years ago when I had the chance to buy a Shelby GT500 of the Gone in 60sec Eleanor fame. Needed some work on the body and interior to restore its glory but it was only 25k CAD with less than 45k miles on the odo. It'd be some work but nowadays, even one in crappy condition is north of 150k.
Maybe it's finally the time to go back to ICE and find a proper project car.
You should always have one ICE car if you’re a car guy. There is something lacking with EVs and it’s not the performance, or range or even cost nowadays. It’s something else. That old school connection.
I’d give a lot of money to resurrect my old blood stained Nissan Sentra. To wind those manual windows down again, to drive it like I was 16 years old again… some things you can’t reproduce no matter the price.
The experience a car brings is more important than whatever it says on paper. Spec sheets don’t tell you how a car makes you feel. Thus people who ultimately choose something like an RC F really are in it for the experience. Lap times be damned
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You should always have one ICE car if you’re a car guy. There is something lacking with EVs and it’s not the performance, or range or even cost nowadays. It’s something else. That old school connection.
I’d give a lot of money to resurrect my old blood stained Nissan Sentra. To wind those manual windows down again, to drive it like I was 16 years old again… some things you can’t reproduce no matter the price.
The experience a car brings is more important than whatever it says on paper. Spec sheets don’t tell you how a car makes you feel. Thus people who ultimately choose something like an RC F really are in it for the experience. Lap times be damned
+1. On paper my M4 is cheaper, more fuel efficient and faster than both LC/RC-F but man the driving experience is kinda boring and "computerized" compared to a fat old-school V8. Mine's manual but I can't imagine how much more boring an automatic one will be.
+1. On paper my M4 is cheaper, more fuel efficient and faster than both LC/RC-F but man the driving experience is kinda boring and "computerized" compared to a fat old-school V8. Mine's manual but I can't imagine how much more boring an automatic one will be.
I’m sure you won’t like the RCF. It’s way too soft and tame coming from the m4.
It’ll sound a bit better but dynamically it won’t be close.
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You should always have one ICE car if you’re a car guy. There is something lacking with EVs and it’s not the performance, or range or even cost nowadays. It’s something else. That old school connection.
I’d give a lot of money to resurrect my old blood stained Nissan Sentra. To wind those manual windows down again, to drive it like I was 16 years old again… some things you can’t reproduce no matter the price.
The experience a car brings is more important than whatever it says on paper. Spec sheets don’t tell you how a car makes you feel. Thus people who ultimately choose something like an RC F really are in it for the experience. Lap times be damned
Yeah. That mechanical connection is something definitely missing.
The old school American cars are really growing on me. Other than the classic 'stangs and Corvette, which I can no longer afford, I really like things like an Oldsmobile 442 or a Dodge Charger and maybe Ford Falcon. But it seems some of the parts are a pita to get if I want to buy a project car and try to restore it.
Anyone knowledgeable in the topic can point me to the right direction? Maybe another forum or site where I could study more about it and better yet, source their parts at reasonable price (assuming still sourceable)
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