The Official Car-Related Shit That No One Cares About, Thread

[Traum]

Realistically (and unfortunately), a household with only $74k annual income shouldn't be buying new vehicles in this day and age. It is just far too expensive to afford.

Going by the 20/4/10 rule:

- 20% down
- finance for no more than 4 years
- keep total vehicle expense under 10% of (monthly) gross income

$74k annual gross income means:

- $6167 monthly gross income
- 10% of above = $616.77

To make the calculations easy, let's just say the monthy payments are going to be $400/month. That means $216.77 is spent on gas and insurance, which is already kind of unrealistic.

I punched the numbers into Edmund's affordability calculator, and I'm getting:

- $4k down payment
- vehicle price range of $18k - $20k

Incidentally through the EV grapevine again, someone mentioned / leaked a bunch of estimated landed prices for the BYD line up for the N.American market (whatever that means), and they are as follows, with all figures in CDN:

Dolphin - $17.6k
Atto 3 - $21.2k
Seal - $39.57k
Sealion 7 - $40.87k
Shark 6 - $53.2k
Leopard 5 - $34k

So I guess the median Canadian household will be buying a BYD Dolphin as their next car?

[Badhobz]

they'll be everywhere soon enough. When they finally arrive, it'll make my lezbaru deal seem like peanuts.

[whitev70r]

Does anyone have experience or opinion on the Pirelli PZero AS Plus 3, $193/per? Mentioned in the same breath as Continental ExtremeContact DWS

https://www.blackcircles.ca/en/tire/...25-40-r18-92-y

Nothing too exciting in terms of tread pattern.


(Badhobz can sit this one out cuz I'm not buying CC2's.)

[Traum]

I know nothing about this Pirelli PZero AS+ 3, but from looking at just the tread pattern, it looks 100% like a grand touring tire instead of a high performance all season.

Here is TireRack's hot take on it:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests...zero-as-plus-3

Spoiler!

Total Overall Rating: 7.38/10
Watt Hours per Mile: 276
Range at 100% Charge: 250

Another EV-focused variant of a popular existing choice, the Elect branding is how Pirelli distinguishes their EV specific tires. On the road, it delivered a comfortable and composed ride for a UHPAS, handling both small undulations and big impacts with ease, though some impact noise was more noticeable than the actual feel. Noise levels were generally low across all surfaces, with minimal tread noise and subdued volume on concrete and coarse asphalt, even if it didn't quite match the quietest tires in the group. Steering felt natural and predictable - more in line with a touring tire than a sharp performance product - but still responsive enough to feel confident on the road. It was competitive with some of the more efficient tires in the test at 276 Wh/mi, a good baseline.

The P Zero AS Plus 3 (Elect) performed well in wet conditions, not quite top-tier overall, but on par with some of the strongest competitors. It offered confident braking and responsive front-end behavior, with a sense of eagerness in helping the car turn without feeling unnatural. Though it did move around slightly under heavy throttle, it remained predictable and communicative at the limit, making it easy to drive confidently. The dry track experience was in the same vein, but the steering in particular felt magnified - more so than in the wet - as if the tire was boosting each input, helping it turn just a little further. It wasn't so much that it could be an issue, though it did make it feel a touch less accurate, harder to dial in exactly where it needed to be.

Winter conditions were much less kind to the P Zero AS Plus 3 (Elect). Getting through laps required constant management, working one corner at a time, feeding in countersteer, keeping the rear in check, and being careful with throttle. Making any kind of meaningful progress felt more akin to surviving the track than driving it, with no real standout traits to lean on. The car got tossed around easily, demanding frequent steering corrections, and never settled into a confident or composed rhythm. In addition, it took over 60 feet to come to a stop from 12 mph on the ice.

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

(Badhobz can sit this one out cuz I'm not buying CC2's.)

you'll be back!!!