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Local dealer has 18 Dodge Charger EV's on the lot. 14 parked in a row outside. All in pretty bland colors black, white, grey, red and some really dark green? color. Like 26K off MSRP. Why so many? Who is going to buy these?
Local dealer has 18 Dodge Charger EV's on the lot. 14 parked in a row outside. All in pretty bland colors black, white, grey, red and some really dark green? color. Like 26K off MSRP. Why so many? Who is going to buy these?
At this point someone should just put Stellantis out of its misery. Other than RAM is there anything in their portfolio that's class leading much less competitive? Is there any tech worth selling off to other companies?
The new Charger makes zero sense as a product - it's nothing more than a bunch of bros who want to beat their chest. And it gets stupider with the return of the Hemi. Everything they do right now just reeks of desperation and a denial of reality.
Side note: Did anyone else catch Ford cancelling the Escape and Corsair and replacing it with an EV pickup? That's Ford's second best selling product that is getting axed! I also question their sanity as a company.
The new Charger makes zero sense as a product - it's nothing more than a bunch of bros who want to beat their chest. And it gets stupider with the return of the Hemi. Everything they do right now just reeks of desperation and a denial of reality.
It's a huge PR issue but financially it's not devastating. Their mixed powertrain platform lets them pivot away from EVs with far less cost than Mercedes would face cancelling EQ. It's also shared with the Wagoneer S and other cars.
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The new Charger makes zero sense as a product - it's nothing more than a bunch of bros who want to beat their chest. And it gets stupider with the return of the Hemi. Everything they do right now just reeks of desperation and a denial of reality.
Americans will keep buying big, comfortable, good-sounding cars because long-distance driving is a fact of life. Instead of 45 minutes to Cypress, Seattle > Crystal Mountain is 3 hours, SF to Tahoe is 5.
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Side note: Did anyone else catch Ford cancelling the Escape and Corsair and replacing it with an EV pickup? That's Ford's second best selling product that is getting axed! I also question their sanity as a company.
Ford’s modular EV platform (like GM’s which is selling incredibly well) lets them quickly adjust their lineup to match market shifts, especially from Chinese.
Cancelling escape is not an issue because it sells mostly to rental fleets, with real consumer demand going to the Bronco Sport. Escape hybrid/PHEV sales are also weak.
The new EV pickup will be Maverick-sized, a segment with huge demand: Maverick still has waitlists four years in and unlike Bezos-funded attempts, Ford can actually deliver.
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full size wagoneer is a failure and delegated to hertz/avis/enterprise
The product is ugly but the range-extended EV powertrain they're launching with the Wagoner is a major win: it's a full product cycle and 3-5 years ahead of GM, Toyota, and Ford.
Jeeps edge here is their engines aren't blowing up like GMs and it's not horribly out of date like the Expedition/Navigator.
Watch for the $350/mth lease promo on the Charger.
The Fiat 500e was $35/week, so that was worth it. But $350/month?
Nah~
(though I'm sure lots of people will still flock to that)
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The whole world has gone down a road no one can recover from, and it's nothing to do with governments, it's because so much of the general public is so fucking stupid.
Everything about that car is gaudy -- the car itself, the colour, the wheels, etc.
Everything.
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The whole world has gone down a road no one can recover from, and it's nothing to do with governments, it's because so much of the general public is so fucking stupid.
Watch for the $350/mth lease promo on the Charger.
I see people comment about some of these crazy lease deals, but do they even exist in Canada, or only the US?
Every time I've seen someone post about some EV on low leases, I check locally and see the dealers charging the same BS prices compared to down south.
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LOOK AT ME IM MIKE AND I HAVE A BIG HOG AND I DRINK TEQULA AND WORK OUT AND LISTEN TO CHARLI XCX ON THE BEACH IN BERMUDA
Grow up fuckin Peter Pan and get a good nights rest.
ED and Hoovie bought the worst examples of a Bugatti. Neither can really afford them. Hoovie I believe is already selling his. It's also funny that ed is a trump supporter but is buying wheels from China Instead of buying American made wheels like HRE.
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I didn't know ED was a Trumper, but not surprising. I've always wondered if Hoovie was as well, being from Kansas and all.
It's funny how Trumpers always fit a certain "architype", you can almost guess them on first glance.
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LOOK AT ME IM MIKE AND I HAVE A BIG HOG AND I DRINK TEQULA AND WORK OUT AND LISTEN TO CHARLI XCX ON THE BEACH IN BERMUDA
Grow up fuckin Peter Pan and get a good nights rest.
I didn't know ED was a Trumper, but not surprising. I've always wondered if Hoovie was as well, being from Kansas and all.
It's funny how Trumpers always fit a certain "architype", you can almost guess them on first glance.
He is a big time christian and had 2 video's with guests that he took down because of back lash. One was about it being bidens fault gas prices are up. The whole video was B.S.
Also wrote this letter about being a proud American after trump won.
Not because Trump will be president but because change is possible. We have been given a government where socialism is masqueraded as democratic compassion, where spending involves numbers of zeroes designed to be nonsensical, and where ideas called “Religious Liberty” can be voted down.
America has become a place where your right to life depends on your race, net worth, and whether you have been born yet. It is a place where young people have been taught that the world exists to serve their selfish interests and that we are free to do whatever we wish as long as no one finds it offensive.
We are seeing examples where behavior according to evangelical Christian faith is illegal. Information is consumed not from qualified sources, but from our peers first. With salacious headlines and biased faux-journalism we have forsaken skepticism. What we need is absolute truth in a world where we are constantly told it does not exist.
Corruption in politics, like sin in humanity, should come as no surprise. Among those who make a career of it, it is inevitable. I feign no belief that we have somehow avoided it now but this is a victory in that regard. I am glad to live in a country where ridiculous ideas are quickly quelled by a strong balance of power.
It is not unsafe to live in an America led by Trump. Instead, the collective political intelligence of our nation over the past 240 years has created an environment where vision and enthusiasm can be channeled into productive policy. That, I believe, we can look forward to.
The astonishing irony came in watching the pieces come together last night. The sobering reality that Trump was by no means the hero that conservatives wanted but he may have been the only person who could prevail.
We all knew that at some point we would be presented with the opportunity to vote for Hillary Clinton for President but as this election unfolded, it became clear that Donald Trump was the only opponent she could be confident in her ability to beat. The voter turnout, the grassroots excitement, and the hunger for change led to a democratic circumstance that the embedded political establishment could not control.
Regardless of where you stand ideologically, this is election is a victory. You live in a country designed to make this possible and for those of us who have prayed for it for years, we were starting to believe it wasn’t.
Trump didn’t just win where he was supposed to. To my astonishment he won where he shouldn’t have. The America that has had policy forced down its throat for years and had its foreign stance reduced to pragmatic consumerist fear can now breathe in the possibility of relief.
Donald Trump is no savior. I am proud to say my eternal hope comes in Christ alone but this election has offered hope in what life in America may look like a few years from now. Perhaps Roe v. Wade won’t be reversed, perhaps tax policies won’t be made more fair, perhaps a nation founded under God may never own that idea again.
Regardless, I am proud to be a Christian American and proud of our country that decided change was possible yesterday.
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Good to know, I've never liked the guy (can't stand the way he speaks) I found he always came off fake and phony, which a lot of these hollow Trumpers essentially are.
Hoovie is still good in my books though, he seems to keep his politics to himself.
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LOOK AT ME IM MIKE AND I HAVE A BIG HOG AND I DRINK TEQULA AND WORK OUT AND LISTEN TO CHARLI XCX ON THE BEACH IN BERMUDA
Grow up fuckin Peter Pan and get a good nights rest.
Interesting that Hoovie keeps his political views to himself, which I respect. Same along with one of his mechanics, The Car Wizard. I enjoy Car Wizard's segments. Sometimes, I find he's too practical; His infatuation for Toyota and hatred of BMWs annoy me.
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Good to know, I've never liked the guy (can't stand the way he speaks) I found he always came off fake and phony, which a lot of these hollow Trumpers essentially are.
Hoovie is still good in my books though, he seems to keep his politics to himself.
Both are too white.
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