You think United airlines has the power to change FAA regulations?

That would be my understanding, from the pool of those who are qualified, pass all the certifications, exams, tests, etc., you select from those qualified candidates, individuals that reflect better the demographic of our society ... females & people of colour. There isn't any safety standards lowered or sacrificed.

You didn't watch the video from start to finish, did you?

The context was the following:
United wanted to take on a DEI approach. Increasing from the current 15% of black/female pilots to 50%.

Kirk's opinion was that it didn't matter what skin color or gender a pilot is. Every time a DEI or Affirmative Action was introduced, the standard had to be lowered. From my own research, that proved to be true. Ivy league didn't get all the best students, but rather, for black students, only x of GPA was required. For Asian? Y of GPA needed. And X<<<Y. So, a black Ivy league student can be a shitty student vs. their Asian/White counterparts, but it's ok because the school ask for less if you are black.

So, taking this context to the airlines, they are willing to hire a lesser qualified (say a pilot who had flown 100hrs vs one who had flown 6000hrs). Do they meet the bare minimum requirement of FAA? You bet. But in his own example in the video, when it comes to a pilot dealing with severe and rare turbulence in the sky, if you had the option, would you rather trust a 6000hr pilot or a 100hr pilot?

Notice how I purposely left out any skin color or gender here.

So, UA is willing to forgo the idea of finding the best pilot there is, as long as they can meet the quota.

What Kirk was proposing was, get rid of the DEI/AA quota. Just hire the best darn pilots there are. They can be black, indian, Chinese, LGBTQ... whatever, as long as they are the best there are.

Because what's happening here is actually UA purposedly implementing racism into their hiring system. If you ain't black or female, don't count on it as you'd only have 50% of chance of being hired even if you are the best pilot for that aircraft type there is on earth. And the reverse is also true, if you are black or female, doesn't matter if you have little experience or is less experienced of a pilot. As long as you are black or female, you'd have 50% chance of getting hired.

After you are certified you look for a job. Why would someone have 6000 hours of flight time before they got a job? I would think there would be something wrong with that person.

This is just another B.S. made up scenario.

Again, the 100hr was just a random number I threw in. Now, change that to the bare minimum

A pilot (regardless of skin color) with that bare minimum requirement vs. a seasoned veteran with 10x of that amount. Who would you rather fly with?

If it was up to me, I could care less if my pilot is black/latino/female or whatever if UA's hiring criteria were "we only hire the best". Instead of "we would have 50% black and/or female pilots as long as they meet the FAA requirement" because diversity matters. Like... what do I care about what skin color is? I want the best pilots, not because the pilot is black or female.

And if you actually care that your pilot is black or female, you are the one who's racist because by definition, you believe that the skin color is better than merit. It just so happen that your preference is black and you don't get called out for. But that's the very essence of racism when you have preference based on skin color/ethinicity.

And again, in Kirk's video, he didn't say Black couldn't be the experienced pilot. In fact, he was pointing out that one'd fly with a black/female/whatever pilot as long as they are the best. But the criteria should be focusing on best pilots rather than just on the skin color or gender alone.

By implementing a system based on skin color/gender rather than merit, that's why that snippet of oh if I see a black pilot I should be worried about whether they got the job because they were actually skilled instead of just their skin color.

I have never once cared who my pilot was on a plane. When you grab a taxi or uber do you check to see how long that person has been driving for? Because you are way more likely to get in a car accident then one in a plane.



This has nothing to do with merit it's all about opportunity. If you have a family member or a friend that is a pilot you are going to have a easier time of becoming one yourself. American airlines wanted to open up the opportunity to more people.

Now you get it.

This is exactly what Kirk is saying. If diversity were a natural result due to meritocracy, there’s no problem whatsoever. No one is saying black pilots cannot be good pilots.

By forcing DEI quota even when better choices are available, where the only other difference is skin color, you are essentially taking away opportunities from who deserved more and give it to others purely based on their skin color. That is racism. And not just that, you are also risking the safety of passengers just because of a skin color is somehow more important?!

Every airline says that safety is their first priority, but clearly, DEI quota goes against that principle.

Hehe has chosen to run the RS gauntlet, good luck lol

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/stor...piIat5JpWFY_Hw - This is a good and sourced summary of the stuff Kirk said.

As for whether Kirk is a racist or not, how come all the racists are so sad he's dead? His pal Stephen Miller was so worked up that basically did a Nazi speech from the 1930s yesterday.

And what would it take for someone to be considered racist if what Charlie did doesn't qualify? Like attend a Klan rally like yesterday?

why the fuck are we still talking about this dead idiot here? who gives a shit.

A RACIST CONSERVATIVE WHITE MAN!? wow.... never seen that before.

I read about half of the article and still suggest the same thing. Don’t just give me MSM “sources” where it’s cherry-picking snippets to try to prove a point.

The article says that Kirk is homophobic and against the LGBTQ+ community. If you actually watch his videos in its entirety, he doesn’t give a ratass what a person does in their bedroom. He doesn’t agree with LGB because it’s against Christian values but agrees to disagree as he sees it as personal preference.

Where he did have a strong opinion was with TQ. He doesn’t want kid being able to access permanent medical procedures when science has shown that many kids do struggle with gender identity. Second, he didn’t want men in women washroom, change room or sport. He didn’t care what one identify with. You do things according to your natural gender, which are 2: male and female. No if or buts. Just the nature truth on human.

Now, as I said before, you might not agree with his opinion. You might feel it’s ok for men to compete in women sport, for men to use women change room because they identify as female. But it doesn’t make him a homophobic. And remember, he’s cool with LGB. Where he has issue was TQ. I don’t agree with TQ either and if I had a daughter, you can bet I’d have issue if there’s men trying to go to same change room as her. You might disagree, but it doesn’t make Kirk homophobic.

Tl;dr: as I said, don’t take snippets, actually watch the whole conversation. You might not always agree with him. But it’s a case of different opinion rather than racism, homophobic or whatever you are trying to label him.

Because dialogs are important. If I say hobz your posts are racist af and you should be fucking ashamed of yourself and your family should disown you and your wife should kick you out of the house.

Will that be ok? No. It’s just a wrong opinion and context matters. You post stupid shit as joke or sarcasm. We get it because we have the perfect understanding on the context of your posts.

And so being a conservative whites man is automatically racist?! If that doesn’t qualify as racism, I don’t know what is. You are generalizing a group of people in our society just because of their believes and skin color and gender. Who is the racist and sexist here?

See how it goes?

ex military pilots can take higher risk

younger pilots just don't know wtf they are doing

russian pilots have 1million hours but show up drunk

nobody wins

This is so fucking stupid it’s hilarious. You instantly turn it around to some sort of victimizing of conservative whites because hobz called him racist (he is) conservative (he is) white (he is) and you either have so little understanding of context or you are so desperate to twist it to your narrative while you lecture people about it.

kirk blamed MLK for the problems black people in america have today.

basically he was trying flip the narrative to deflect the issues away from white people and internalize those problems within the black community.

yeah great guy, not racist at all.

For the record, I hate the term "DEI hires" and implications it carries. I am a believer of hiring the most qualified candidate. That said, I understand and agree with the goals of having "DEI hires", and I still look at it under the lens of "hiring the most qualified candidate for the job".

In the context of healthcare, it is much easier to understand the importance of "DEI hires". The goal of healthcare is to obtain good healthcare outcomes for the patients. And in light of that, it is extremely important to have a representative percentage of healthcare staff that both understands the nuances among the different demographics, and is able to quickly and easily gain the trust of the patients. Just as an ethnic Chinese doctor would more likely understand the cultural normals and practices of a Chinese patient, or an Indian doctor understanding the typical diets and meal patterns of Indian patients, it is important to have these culturally sensitive staff because no amount of medical training can make up for that. Or in an even more easily understood case, women tend to trust and feel more comfortable with female OBGYNs more than they do with male OGBYNs, and it is super important to have medical staff that the patients would trust.

So echoing what whitev70r has said, schools and hospitals are hiring candidates that already meet the required standards. But in order to provide the best health outcomes for patients, you want to include a proportionate mix of different ethnicities and genders in your "hires".

Now tracing back to what that racist piece of trash Kirk has said -- the guy is automatically questioning whether a black doctor or pilot is qualified when he sees them. He is obviously a fairly intelligent person, so he is able to come up with this roundabout explanation of "wanting to hire the most qualified person for the job" as easy justification for his racist BS.

I could have easily given him the benefit of the doubt or excuse his "hiring for the best qualified candidate" opinion if that was the only comment he has said. But when he recurringly make different racists remarks to belittle visible minorities -- that black women lack the brain processing power to be taken seriously, and that they have to take a white person's job to be taken somewhat seriously -- it paints a far more accurate picture of what his character is -- that he is a racist and misogynistic piece of trash.

Ever think that maybe you're the problem?

If his words weren't so problematic, why would he elicit such a polarizing response by so many people?

BTW specific to the whole pilot argument. There is literally zero evidence to support the idea what any airline is hiring pilots based on DEI, there is no data to support that.

You either pass the requirements or you don't, plain and simple.

The only DEI that has been applied is encouraging training academies to pipeline more minorities into these development academies to train pilots. This in no way lowers the requirements to become a pilot, or be hired as a pilot.

Hehe you're either being purposely obtuse, or perhaps your own bigotry blinds your ability to recognize the clear dog whistling Kirk played.

Let's not even get into the cretins he worked with at Turning Point USA.

hehe is just simping for white people to give him a pat on the back and say 'good job'.
you'll never be one of them man, stop trying to please them.

Charlie Kirk's widow, Erika Kirk, says she forgives husband's alleged killer

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6911189

Every religious bible thumper says they forgive their family members killers, I would have laid my life savings down on a bet that was gonna get said big whoop my mind is so at ease now, I was super worried what Charlie’s wife was thinking.

Bro, ngl, thought she was the eye for an eye type.

There is no ranking system for pilots it's ether you are certified or you are not.

The fact we are arguing about if he is a racist or not tells me one of 2 things.
He sucked at his job because he had a hard time articulating what he actually meant or he is a racist. I am pretty sure I know what racists think.

I blame whitev70r for this whole thing. hes...... white? wouldnt be a problem if he was yellow370z instead.