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Energy

11-27-2011, 07:09 PM

donjalapeno

11-27-2011, 07:20 PM

I change cars faster than you changing your dirty under wear

I also happened to ordered a Panamera GTS, GT3 RS 4.0, Still thinking if I should get the upgraded 2012 GTR

I should be getting at least 4 new cars in the 1/4 of 2012

:pokerface:

yeah im getting a Aventador, LFA , Maybach 57s, Quattroporte sport , special order Q7 with the W12 bentley engine and Buggati Veyron SS....but i cant take a picture of them for a reason i cannot say on the internet.

AND I EXPECT EVERYONE TO BELIEVE ME.

bcrdukes

11-27-2011, 07:21 PM

^
Judging by your location, Northern Africa, I don't think that's very credible. :troll:

hk20000

11-27-2011, 07:40 PM

all the media is really hyped about this. I can't see why. At least 2 sources (road and track and WebCG) say you'd feel "something different" within the first few hundred yards of driving this car.

I'll drive before I would agree/disagree with them.

WebCG (http://www.webcg.net/WEBCG/impressions/i0000025431.html)
TOYOTA NEW86[hachi-roku](Compact FR Sports)

LOL @ the tofu shop AE86 used in the official presentation.

death_blossom

11-27-2011, 07:52 PM

Not sure why everybody is doubting this car.

The original AE86 was never fast but it has a capability of out-handling so many other cars. The chassis was rigid and perfect for drifting or track racing. And that 4A-GE's redline isn't exactly low. It's quite up there. If you don't drive the car beyond 3000rpm, you should have no say.

And let's not forget cars like the Toyota MR-S. People think it's slow (yeah it sort of is) but will outhandle most of your cars and its braking abilities are amazing. Throw in a 2ZZ-GE and you've got some competition with other cars in its class.

Oh yeah, everybody laughed at the Miata. Everybody is jumping on the bandwagon buying one now. Every other car or two at AutoX is now a Miata. :rolleyes:can't agree with you more. this car is all about bringing back the raw driving feel that has been numbed down in most modern cars today.

everyone is prefering the Hyundai Genesis coupe, which is bigger and heavier. this FT86 is gonna run circles around the Genesis coupe on the track and in the twisties.

Energy

11-27-2011, 08:03 PM

^ my thoughts exactly. I can't wait to see and drive this car for myself. Its a step in the right direction for Toyota that's for sure.

The_AK

11-27-2011, 08:18 PM

I change cars faster than you changing your dirty under wear

I also happened to ordered a Panamera GTS, GT3 RS 4.0, Still thinking if I should get the upgraded 2012 GTR

I should be getting at least 4 new cars in the 1/4 of 2012

Have you considered a Juke-R? Its hideous and that's what makes it beautiful. I have Nissan custom building me a Juke-R Spec V at the moment. Estimated to do Nurburgring in 7:50 but I'm pushing them to go faster.

!e.lo_

11-27-2011, 09:50 PM

this rear over production model
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/5584/toyotaft86conceptstudio.jpg

hk20000

11-27-2011, 10:02 PM

this rear over production model
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/5584/toyotaft86conceptstudio.jpg

Maaaaybe the FR-S package has this rear. :fuckyea: But don't hold your breath on it. :pokerface:

Stealthy

11-27-2011, 10:09 PM

It'll be coming to the US as Scion FR-S
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/325719.jpg

If it had this rear instead of the production model it would be way better, but that's my two pesos.
It's like an LF-A had a kid, and this was the adopted brother.

Nlkko

11-27-2011, 10:13 PM

But don't hold your breath on it. :pokerface:

The European usually get better looking version with cooler gadgets.

rJZx

11-27-2011, 10:13 PM

So far this seems like the 7th celica... looks faster than it actually is

Ikkaku

11-27-2011, 10:19 PM

^ do you not read people's posts? its a track car, it is supposed to have a good balance. We are not talking about a horsepower war.

rJZx

11-27-2011, 11:44 PM

^I have been keeping up... i was just talking about the power this car will come out with.

Timpo

11-27-2011, 11:48 PM

^I have been keeping up... i was just talking about the power this car will come out with.

197hp/151lb-ft

Toyota GT 86 (Scion FR-S) Makes Debut: 2011 Tokyo Motor Show (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1069898_toyota-gt-86-scion-fr-s-makes-debut-2011-tokyo-motor-show)

Culture_Vulture

11-27-2011, 11:54 PM

after the first page, I've only been revisiting this thread for hyde

death_blossom

11-28-2011, 12:26 AM

I have a good feeling that Toyota is dialing back the engine program to a very safe zone, resulting in the modest hp levels.

I'm betting that ECU tuning will help to unlock a lot more power in stock form. I read somewhere that the engine management used is a common system that is already modifiable by aftermarket tuners.

bcrdukes

11-28-2011, 12:27 AM

hk20000

11-28-2011, 12:31 AM

if it's a Subaru system it's probably doing a MAF.

but then it's also a D4S which means it's got 8 injectors for 4 cylinders.

I doubt there is much aftermarket support at this time right now for this. Just look at the IS350....Chip tune? What chip tune.

BoredAtWork

11-28-2011, 01:13 AM

Why it looks wrong? Here's my 2 cents.

The wheels on this thing looks like it uses offset from a corolla / civic. The dead giveaway is the navy one with BBS FR with rear flares as big as this one, and uses high offset wheels and looks like same width front and rear, you tell me whats wrong.

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/317779_279997248704385_185851534785624_728500_1916 312455_n.jpg

Next is the proportions. looks bloated except for the front. The sides, and the way the rear fenders and rock panels are very 350z like (again, bloated). Looks like a fat chick with a mean Halloween mask.

If they trim up the sides and the rear with more edge lines like the front, it may look more like a 2800 lb car. But then will look too close to the LF-A. The length of the car don't look proportional to me. Need to shorten the wheelbase a 2-3 inches from the rear, and cut the rear overhangs. Its a coupe with a hatchback pen line like the Celica was.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-84jsU8JFz04/TbwD1bwZzzI/AAAAAAAACE4/hg6LK_hG_GE/s1600/2012-lexus-LFA-side-view.jpg

http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/ScionFRS.ToyotaGT86.Side_.White_-525x350.jpg

Zyzz

11-28-2011, 01:58 AM

can't agree with you more. this car is all about bringing back the raw driving feel that has been numbed down in most modern cars today.

everyone is prefering the Hyundai Genesis coupe, which is bigger and heavier. this FT86 is gonna run circles around the Genesis coupe on the track and in the twisties.

that is such a pile of crap

seems like every excuse around low HP cars revolve around 'better handling'. Well shit, of course it handles better, because it is so slow there is no chance for it to go off track.

Hell, even my gf made fun of 180 hp cars on tv commercials back then like 10+ years ago.

Im going to enjoy my 500+ hp cars while you enjoy 200 hp cars. I am gonna be the first one that say it, that doesn't even make any sense.

StylinRed

11-28-2011, 02:38 AM

So far this seems like the 7th celica... looks faster than it actually is

^I have been keeping up... i was just talking about the power this car will come out with.

whats odd is its only got 17more HP than the GTS celica.... :crazy2: and that came out like 12 years ago (2000) with great handling too; the JDM GTS had like 195HP (higher octane fuels and ecu differences or something)

i was expecting more too

falcon

11-28-2011, 06:36 AM

the entire design team in toyota and honda needs to be shot

Did you mean to say Toyota adn Subaru?

falcon

11-28-2011, 06:41 AM

2.0L turbo and only 200hp? fuck that shit.

Honda had 220hp with 2.0L NA engine more than a decade ago.
or 250hp out of 2.0L NA for S2000 back in 1999.

Also Nissan Silvia had 250hp out of 2.0L too...it was way more than a decade a go. Like 15 years ago??

It needs at least 300hp for today's standard.

It's N/A.

Looking forward to seeing some STI motor swaps into this thing :D

hk20000

11-28-2011, 07:22 AM

falcon

11-28-2011, 07:39 AM

197hp/151lb-ft

Toyota GT 86 (Scion FR-S) Makes Debut: 2011 Tokyo Motor Show (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1069898_toyota-gt-86-scion-fr-s-makes-debut-2011-tokyo-motor-show)

Miata's came with a whopping 100whp/90wtq in the 1.6L cars, and yet many people can't seem to touch the Spec Miata lap times at a lot of tracks all over the states. Hell, the Spec Miata record at Mission is 1:17.xxx. That's fucking fast for a low HP car. My 300whp'd Miata only does 1:14's and that's with me driving the balls off it (and lots of experience on that track).

When will people realize it's not all about power. Power is nice, but a fast car does it not make.

BoredAtWork

11-28-2011, 07:53 AM

What bothers me is that toyota kept saying owners will mod it so we made it easier to mod than most. Well eff that there are lazy but rich people out there when it comes to cars. If the sti motor is supposed to go in without much sweat why don't you sell us one with it then!?
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Because "rich" people do not buy 30k cars. This car is to appeal to people who just start out in career with some spare money.

As for 2.5l, or turbo, that's what mid cycle changes are for. This current one maybe "SR5" of the 86 :D

Nlkko

11-28-2011, 08:01 AM

What bothers me is that toyota kept saying owners will mod it so we made it easier to mod than most. Well eff that there are lazy but rich people out there when it comes to cars. If the sti motor is supposed to go in without much sweat why don't you sell us one with it then!?
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Because nobody would buy a 40k-50k+ Toyota/Scion anymore. They would have to badge it a Lexus which isn't their intention. Subaru would more likely sell an STI version.

Toyota is only selling a base for a great car. The 7th gen Celica was a great car until they dropped that pos engine in there that doesn't response to mods at all.

It has potential, depends on the price tag.
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Energy

11-28-2011, 08:42 AM

that is such a pile of crap

seems like every excuse around low HP cars revolve around 'better handling'. Well shit, of course it handles better, because it is so slow there is no chance for it to go off track.

Hell, even my gf made fun of 180 hp cars on tv commercials back then like 10+ years ago.

Im going to enjoy my 500+ hp cars while you enjoy 200 hp cars. I am gonna be the first one that say it, that doesn't even make any sense.

You have to consider its price before complaining about power. A VW GTI or Civic Si makes about the same power but it is FWD. Even if the toyota had less hp I'd take it for the RWD.

Better handling is no excuse, it is a valid selling point. You have a 500hp car and you can maybe use 20-30% of its capabilities on the road. Or you can have a 200hp car with responsive steering, good brakes, good tires, suspension set up so it turns well, RWD, slick 6 speed, and lightness that puts a smile on your face even during daily driving duties. This is a car made for car enthusiasts who like driving - there are still many people out there that are like that I believe.

Some lotus elises come with less power from a toyota engine and you don't see anyone complaining. What is their thought behind making cars? Good handling and lightness is enough.

Zyzz

11-28-2011, 09:05 AM

You have to consider its price before complaining about power. A VW GTI or Civic Si makes about the same power but it is FWD. Even if the toyota had less hp I'd take it for the RWD.

Better handling is no excuse, it is a valid selling point. You have a 500hp car and you can maybe use 20-30% of its capabilities on the road. Or you can have a 200hp car with responsive steering, good brakes, good tires, suspension set up so it turns well, RWD, slick 6 speed, and lightness that puts a smile on your face even during daily driving duties. This is a car made for car enthusiasts who like driving - there are still many people out there that are like that I believe.

Some lotus elises come with less power from a toyota engine and you don't see anyone complaining. What is their thought behind making cars? Good handling and lightness is enough.

Or I can have a 4-500hp car with responsive steering, good brakes, good tires, suspension set up so it turns well, RWD, and slick 6 speed.

Coming from a guy who has driven from a civic to a 3er to a m3 to a r8 v10, and driven in asia and NA, I can assure you that I will not have a smile when I have to drive a sub-200 hp car when I come home everyday where I have to climb a steep ass hill to Midlevels. Hell even in Kerrisdale I had to climb a steep hill in my back alley every day. This is just one example.

Lotus doesn't even compare, wtf?

Energy

11-28-2011, 09:13 AM

Or I can have a 4-500hp car with responsive steering, good brakes, good tires, suspension set up so it turns well, RWD, and slick 6 speed.

Coming from a guy who has driven from a civic to a 3er to a m3 to a r8 v10, and driven in asia and NA, I can assure you that I will not have a smile when I have to drive a sub-200 hp car when I come home everyday where I have to climb a steep ass hill to Midlevels. Hell even in Kerrisdale I had to climb a steep hill in my back alley every day. This is just one example.

Lotus doesn't even compare, wtf?

civic to a 3er to a m3 to a r8 v10??

You missed the point. Look at the price for the power and the 86 is reasonable. If you have the cash to blow for an R8 then you won't buy an 86. But for those maybe just graduated or even students this is a good car. And that is their target market anyway, not people who can afford M3s or AMGs.

hk20000

11-28-2011, 09:14 AM

Because nobody would buy a 40k-50k+ Toyota/Scion anymore. They would have to badge it a Lexus which isn't their intention. Subaru would more likely sell an STI version.

Toyota is only selling a base for a great car. The 7th gen Celica was a great car until they dropped that pos engine in there that doesn't response to mods at all.

It has potential, depends on the price tag.
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True but as it sits even with STI motor it has to be priced well below STI money....at most WRX money....because of its missing 4WD and all those gadgetry of an STi.

donjalapeno

11-28-2011, 09:15 AM

The hell is wrong with the people...

Comparing this to a m3

Zyzz

11-28-2011, 09:19 AM

can't agree with you more. this car is all about bringing back the raw driving feel that has been numbed down in most modern cars today.

You have a 500hp car and you can maybe use 20-30% of its capabilities on the road. Or you can have a 200hp car with responsive steering, good brakes, good tires, suspension set up so it turns well, RWD, slick 6 speed, and lightness that puts a smile on your face even during daily driving duties.

I am merely responding to these 2 posts, where there are strong implications in them saying that these cars are more 'fun', 'raw' *insert other subjective adjectives here* than most modern real sport cars.

I am not saying this is a bad car. I had fun when I drove the civic too. But to post stuff like the above is just disrespectful to their owners.

death_blossom

11-28-2011, 09:40 AM

raw and fun, at an affordable price. how's that? :)

bcrdukes

11-28-2011, 10:38 AM

Hyde v2.0

Timpo

11-28-2011, 11:10 AM

Because nobody would buy a 40k-50k+ Toyota/Scion anymore. They would have to badge it a Lexus which isn't their intention. Subaru would more likely sell an STI version.

I would say people would still pay near $100,000 for a Toyota.
What if they bring back the Supra?

Look at the Nissan GT-R for example...it's only a Nissan.

freakshow

11-28-2011, 11:47 AM

We should all be thankful that Toyota is at least attempting to make a sporty car.
Honda has forced us to talk about the S2000 for the last 10 years and dream about NSX shaped unicorns.

Glove

11-28-2011, 12:01 PM

the attempt was good,

but what the hell were they thinking using the STI motor, but without the turbo?

no matter how you put it, it may be "fun" "sporty" "raw" ect ect.

the fuckin car is still 30 grand, and only has 200hp, and is advertised as a sport compact.

jesus the car will barely be able to go up a steep hill, especially with heavy 18/19 inch wheels

have a spare set of tires in the back, and a passenger,

you aint goin anywhere in a hurry

bcrdukes

11-28-2011, 12:11 PM

E30/E36 M3 Spec E30
Porsche 911SC / Carerra
Mazda Miata / Spec
Lotus Elan
Toyota MR2 / MR-S
Spec E30
Honda CRX
Integra Type-R
EG6 / EK9 / EM1 /EP3
Nissan S13/14/15

All a pile of crap and hella slow. Yeah. :rolleyes:

Glove

11-28-2011, 12:22 PM

all developted 15+ years ago,

you dont see a problem when a motor and car developed in 2013 is being out performed by 20 year old cars? stock?

bcrdukes

11-28-2011, 12:29 PM

The point is, newer cars have come a long way in terms of manufacturing and engineering. Newer cars are much more refined and better built. More efficient engines, fuel injection systems, drive train, suspension and software. Not everything is about big numbers. I can hop into an E30 325i and have a blast driving that over an Acura CSX.

Everybody went gaga over the Hyundai Genesis. Oh, wow. A 2.0T engine built by Mitsubishi.

Oh and for the record, they are using a horizontal-4 naturally aspirated motor. This is not the same as an STI motor w/o a turbo. The specs are nowhere near the same.

CP.AR

11-28-2011, 12:38 PM

I hope that if this sells well, it will spark Honda to get on their assess on a proper sports car.

HSV in production?? OMGWTF

Energy

11-28-2011, 12:43 PM

I am merely responding to these 2 posts, where there are strong implications in them saying that these cars are more 'fun', 'raw' *insert other subjective adjectives here* than most modern real sport cars.

I am not saying this is a bad car. I had fun when I drove the civic too. But to post stuff like the above is just disrespectful to their owners.

Never said that the 86 is better than an m3. It's that a cheap simple car can provide driving enjoyment. Why do people buy an m3 anyway? Because its the most expensive 3 series? Because it has 420hp? If not for the status people buy it because it is just good to drive. Much like an 86 will be good to drive (as long as Toyota doesn't screw anything up).

There aren't many modern sports cars that are in the same segment as the 86 if you think about it... Actually there is only the miata maybe the 2.0 genesis. That along with the fwd civic si, mazdaspeed3 and gti. Go up a level and you have 370z, Evo, sti etc.

It has everything you need in a sports car with a respectable amount of horsepower and is priced in the range of most people. Definitely something to respect.
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taylor192

11-28-2011, 12:59 PM

I can assure you that I will not have a smile when I have to drive a sub-200 hp car when I come home everyday where I have to climb a steep ass hill to Midlevels.

I am merely responding to these 2 posts, where there are strong implications in them saying that these cars are more 'fun', 'raw' *insert other subjective adjectives here* than most modern real sport cars.

But to post stuff like the above is just disrespectful to their owners.
PKB?

"Real" sports cars are are light and agile, not the pigs that manufacturers are pushing out today that are closing in on 4000 lbs.

I'm glad to see there'll be a light, affordable, fun car available soon - and that puts a smile on my face as there hasn't been a lot in this segment to choose from after the Celica and RSX vanished - and this car will be RWD!

JD35

11-28-2011, 01:08 PM

i want the FR-S so freakin' BAD

Nlkko

11-28-2011, 02:42 PM

There aren't many modern sports cars that are in the same segment as the 86 if you think about it... Actually there is only the miata maybe the 2.0 genesis.
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The Genesis Coupe is a pig and belong to a different class. The RX-8 and MX-5 are both more relevant to the 86.

Now that I think about it, 30k depends on the options is not that bad. How much is the RX-8? Starting 40k+,have almost no torque and power is at 212hp. Nobody complains about it because its handling is superb...and for fuck sakes, it isn't because "it's too slow that it can't go off the track":facepalm:

If you don't like to rev, then this car isn't for you. You can go buy luxury cars with V12, V10 engines, wall of torques at any given RPM so you can waft with your automatic gearbox.

I also see this under the hood in the future:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2TW_U-KXfFs/Ts56bAUxO7I/AAAAAAAF5Dc/de1GsFoiqV4/s1600/Subaru-Impreza-STI-S206-Carscoop14.jpg

twitchyzero

11-28-2011, 03:15 PM

Toyota has finally developd some lightweight RWD car that we've all been begging for and people are still complaining?

As for 2.5l, or turbo, that's what mid cycle changes are for. This current one maybe "SR5" of the 86 :D

+1...i can't believe no one has brought this up yet in here. even If they are going to throw a turbo in with 300whp...it's going to cannibalize STI sales. It's meant to be a car that starts at 25k...not meant to play with the Evolution, 370z,Impreza STI

death_blossom

11-28-2011, 03:59 PM

they should sell the GT86 w/o an engine, lol. then the crazy tuners can dump in whatever engine they want.

insomniac

11-28-2011, 03:59 PM

speaking of the size comparison

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvdzjaxrfX1qbpfkto1_500.png

StylinRed

11-28-2011, 04:00 PM

speaking of the size comparison

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvdzjaxrfX1qbpfkto1_500.png

its the same size as the 370z and they look similar :considered:

death_blossom

11-28-2011, 04:00 PM

^
yup, taken from the other FT-86 thread. I know I mentioned it once already, but I'll say it again: it is only 1 inch longer than the original AE86!

Timpo

11-28-2011, 04:55 PM

Timpo

11-28-2011, 04:59 PM

I know people are saying Genesis Coupe is too big...but I'm curious how fast does this thing actually go...

0-60mph accelration?
top speed?
skid pad?
60-0mph braking?
Nurburgring laptime?

etc...

twitchyzero

11-28-2011, 06:10 PM

its the same size as the 370z and they look similar :considered:

370z is shorter than the Gen coupe? :fulloffuck:
now that i think about it...is the 370z smaller than the 350z?

Timpo

11-28-2011, 06:15 PM

370z is shorter than the Gen coupe? :fulloffuck:
now that i think about it...is the 370z smaller than the 350z?

yea, 370Z is smaller and lighter...except it's a bit wider,..but 370Z got smaller, lighter, bigger engine, better handling, better materials, and cheaper

Nlkko

11-28-2011, 06:18 PM

ok this is weird..

According to the chief engineer of Toyota 86, Tetsuya Tada, they were trying to avoid "high power turbo", "4WD" and "high performance tires"

why would you wanna avoid high performance tires?

Source (http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Toyota-GT-86-2.0-(final-spec)/260227/)

But the key facets of an 1180kg kerb weight, rear-wheel drive, ESP that can be fully turned off, quick steering and a limited-slip differential make it a riot in the twisty stuff. Also, the tyres are the same 17in low-resistance versions as can be found on a Prius, all the better to make sure their grip can be overcome if the mood takes you.

Also 0-60 is said to be 7 seconds.

First drive (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/275755/toyota_gt_86.html)

Taking off on our allotted three test laps of the short course at Fuji speedway in Japan, we are delighted to hear and feel a strong Subaru flavour burbling its way through the cabin. Its naturally aspirated four-cylinder engine delivers lots of torque through the bottom to mid-range but could use a bit more punch at the top end. The GT 86 feels light but planted on the tarmac, and its ride is firm but not harsh. Turn-in is sharp and pinpoint and body roll minimal given the engine’s low centre of gravity. Grip levels are higher than expected with a slight tendency to understeer.

Developed to be a reasonably priced sports coupe with serious ‘drifting’ and racing capabilities, we decide to switch off the VSC and traction control units and see what happens. After dabbing the firm disc brakes to tuck the nose into a tight left-hander while holding 5,000rpm in 2nd, the initial hint of understeer is replaced by a welcome serve of tail action that requires an instant dose of opposite lock to control the slide. But given our very limited time in the car, we will reserve judgment on the car’s overall balance and whether a drift can be held for any length of time.

Toyota went on today about their (and Subaru’s) decision to build a lightweight sports car that avoided AWD, turbos and high grip tyres. The end result is a stunning first step, that’s for sure. This car is a blast to drive and will without doubt inject some much-needed adrenalin to a lacklustre lineup. But we can’t help think that enthusiasts and tuners around the world will want more power – and very soon - leading to bolted on turbos because the GT86’s. Why? Because the chassis can certainly take it.

taylor192

11-28-2011, 10:31 PM

Edit, wrong forum

FRStan

11-28-2011, 11:09 PM

Subaru BRZ looks the same... :(

Sky_High

11-29-2011, 04:39 AM

Does anyone know why the Honda CR-Z arrived North America as a 2 seater model...while it's 4 seats in JDM? Was it because of safety regulations?

Maybe this would be a problem for the 86 / BRZ too :crazy2:

CR-Z in Japan:
http://www.otohybrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/2011-Honda-CR-Z-Hybrid-Interior-View.jpg
CRZ-Z in Canada:
http://www.mbempiditcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Red-and-White-Honda-CR-Z-Sport-Hybrid-Coupe-2011-interior-Rear-Seats.jpg

Interior shots of the 86:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2910&d=1322426625
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2931&d=1322426736
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2932&d=1322426736
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2933&d=1322426769

Obviously no one buys a sport coupe this size for rear passenger comfort.
But from the looks of those photos.....unless your front driver / passenger
is super short, it doesn't even look like its possible to sit someone in the back.......

haymura

11-29-2011, 05:12 AM

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9519/383227.jpg
Toyota

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/19/2013subarubrzcarscoop2.jpg
Subaru

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2897/383222.jpg
Toyota

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/660/2013subarubrzcarscoop3.jpg
Subaru

hmm...:fulloffuck:

Timpo

11-29-2011, 09:28 AM

Sky_High

11-29-2011, 10:51 AM

Not only CRZ...

But RX-7 and CRX as well.
The 300ZX twin turbo was only available as a 2 seater in north america.
(you could buy NA 4 seater for some reason)

I heard it's something to do with insurance.
Japan will get lower insurance rate if the car is "4 seater" and also don't have to pay gas guzzler tax (wasting gas on 2 seater car).

But this info can be completely wrong.

Might be cause of insurance in the JDM world.

But in North America....I think it's a mixture of the crammed space
for "NA sized people" and more importantly....crash safety standards?

As tight as those two seats are back then, I really hope they do bring a 4 seater over...

Timpo

11-29-2011, 10:58 AM

Might be cause of insurance in the JDM world.

But in North America....I think it's a mixture of the crammed space
for "NA sized people" and more importantly....crash safety standards?

As tight as those two seats are back then, I really hope they do bring a 4 seater over...

I doubt it has nothing to do with crash safety standards...

Look at Lexus SC430, Porsche 911, etc...you can only fit little 5 year old kids in and that's about it.

skyxx

11-29-2011, 01:38 PM

^ I guess Murdoc has a new vehicle in mind for purchase when he sells that white van of his. :troll:

The_AK

11-29-2011, 02:18 PM

I might have missed this but is pricing out somewhere?

death_blossom

11-29-2011, 08:12 PM

I doubt it has nothing to do with crash safety standards...

Look at Lexus SC430, Porsche 911, etc...you can only fit little 5 year old kids in and that's about it.

not sure about the SC430, but in the Porsche 911 girls and shorter guys can fit in the back seat (albeit snugly).

it's all about the sizing of the individuals in the front seat. I'm sure the CR-Z has 2 "dog" seats in the back since Japanese ppl are much smaller. the front occupants don't need to crank the seat all the way back, leaving more leg room for the rear passengers.

not sure why, but North Americans (short or tall) LOOOOVE to slam their seats wayyy back. I'm a pretty big guy at 6ft and 200lbs+, yet I was taught to sit closer to the steering wheel when young. many ppl comment that I sit so close to the steering wheel. sounds funny coming from them, when they are a lot smaller than I am.

bcrdukes

11-29-2011, 08:50 PM

not sure why, but North Americans (short or tall) LOOOOVE to slam their seats wayyy back.

*sarcasm* It's all about the gangsta' lean acting like we hot shit in our dad's TLs and G35s. :fuckyea: *sarcasm*

tofu1413

11-29-2011, 11:45 PM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2469/3631098877_80c3545994.jpg

wonder how'd it look like with a set of these...? :troll:

*IF* takumi ever does crash the 86 in the catalogue... would this be his new car?

hk20000

11-30-2011, 12:59 AM

^ I would think an AE86 vs GT86 would make a very appropriate end to that epic tale of an 18 year old delivery boy.

Zyzz

11-30-2011, 01:16 AM

*IF* takumi ever does crash the 86 in the catalogue... would this be his new car?

No... he would be dead because the car is such an old unsafe jap car

Sky_High

11-30-2011, 01:45 AM

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2799/240brzhi.jpg

hk20000

11-30-2011, 02:58 AM

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2799/240brzhi.jpg

Let's hope that's with the front seat slid all the way to the back.... :alone:

Timpo

11-30-2011, 08:54 AM

Let's hope that's with the front seat slid all the way to the back.... :alone:

watch this video..he said the Subaru BRZ will be a "2 seater"

2013 Subaru BRZ Revealed: 2011 Tokyo Motor Show (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1069958_2013-subaru-brz-revealed-2011-tokyo-motor-show)

Timpo

11-30-2011, 09:00 AM

If it's gonna be a 2 seater, I don't know how well it will sell...
It's not like a Viper, Corvette, 370Z, NSX, etc...or S2000 and Miata.

Although the car is RWD, the size, power and the way it looks look like a it's something similar to RSX, Celica, Cobalt, Tiburon, etc...

hk20000

11-30-2011, 10:31 AM

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2013-subaru-brz_100371729_l.jpg
This race car version is kind of cool haha.

s2upid

11-30-2011, 11:35 AM

i'm gonna buy this, and drive the shit outta it. YUM can't wait to test drive it.

gotta get some fatter tires on this thing though

StylinRed

11-30-2011, 12:05 PM

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2799/240brzhi.jpg

its like my celica when my seats all the way back

Zulu

11-30-2011, 12:09 PM

they should have left the iconic AE86 to rest in peace...

this looks heavy and big...

It's 2600lbs numbnuts.

I change cars faster than you changing your dirty under wear

I also happened to ordered a Panamera GTS, GT3 RS 4.0, Still thinking if I should get the upgraded 2012 GTR

I should be getting at least 4 new cars in the 1/4 of 2012

Do you literally shit out of your mouth? Nobody, and I do mean NOBODY, thinks you're going to buy a Panamera, a GT3, a GTR and then "ooh get excited about the toyota 86 and order the first one!" ... You're fucking retarded stop posting.

Timpo

11-30-2011, 12:14 PM

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2013-subaru-brz_100371729_l.jpg
This race car version is kind of cool haha.

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/assets_c/2011/11/brz-supergt-f34-thumb-717x477-108145.jpg
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/assets_c/2011/11/brz-supergt-pro-thumb-717x477-108147.jpg
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/assets_c/2011/11/brz-supergt-r34-thumb-717x477-108149.jpg

Timpo

11-30-2011, 12:17 PM

The headlight reminds of Lexus LFA

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/assets/lexus-lfa-f34.jpg

Nlkko

11-30-2011, 01:55 PM

U like?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=174l6gEJrrw

NashMan

11-30-2011, 07:26 PM

sounds like it is cranky and wants a better motor

Sky_High

11-30-2011, 07:38 PM

FR-S version:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3159&d=1322712584
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3160&d=1322712584
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3162&d=1322712639
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3163&d=1322712639

Screaming for a debadge.

twitchyzero

11-30-2011, 07:43 PM

looks better than the 86/BRZ...minus the turn signals on the tails
i doubt this will be a 2 seater for North America

U like?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=174l6gEJrrwI swear i thought that was a clip from GT5 :suspicious:

Sky_High

11-30-2011, 08:01 PM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3159&d=1322712584
http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201111/toyota-gt-86-4_600x0w.jpg

Surprisingly, the North American version doesn't have as high as 4x4 status as the JDM model.

And imo, looks better without the fogs.

!Aznboi128

11-30-2011, 08:49 PM

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/12/2011/12/xlarge_5fe04f5edb33482c0ea351b05aaa151e.jpg

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http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/images/12/2011/12/xlarge_e6d41457bc97d13c23358363491b24c7.jpg

Onassis

11-30-2011, 09:01 PM

Someone needs to merge all these FRS, 86 and BRZ threads together.

StylinRed

11-30-2011, 09:15 PM

Someone needs to merge all these FRS, 86 and BRZ threads together.

it was perfect until timpo decided the 86 production needed a new thread over the concept thread ;)

!Aznboi128

11-30-2011, 09:19 PM

merged frs and 86

StylinRed

11-30-2011, 10:24 PM

merged frs and 86

merge the subaru BRZ while ur at it :D (same car)

Nlkko

11-30-2011, 10:34 PM

DRIVEN – THE NEW TOYOTA 86 (http://www.7tune.com/driven-the-new-toyota-86/)

Let me start by putting the internet arguments to a rest. The new Toyota 86 is an epic little machine that will amaze you when you get behind the wheel and really go for it. It is also so simple and rewarding to drive on the limit and I’m certain it will be absolutely pounced upon by all sorts of people when it get’s released next Spring. Forget about it’s looks, power figure, weight and wheels for a minute and let’s just take a look at how good it is as a drivers car ( and for that matter a potential drift machine )…

Would you believe me if I told you the car was a disappointment at first? I’m still not sure if that sense of being “let-down” was either, a) because the car’s traction control system was cutting in and out ( making drifts virtually impossible to continue with ), b) the fact I only got less than 5 minutes with the car or c) the fact I actually had to get out of the thing at the end. I’d like to say it was a combination of all three but the anticipation of driving this car was really getting to me after all the teasing, all the leaks and all the rumors. 7Tune has covered this car non stop for years now. Like some sort of pent up sexual tension, I just needed release and the “86″ was the target of my desires.

I’m also definitely not the type of person to slowly feel my way into a car, especially on a racetrack where an internal switch goes off that puts me into “Circuit Mode”. I will go for it straight out of the box, explore where it’s limits, strengths and weaknesses are, confident in my abilities to control what’s within my grasp. I mean, what was all the motor racing I did throughout the last 20 years of my life worth if I can’t stretch the “muscles” every now and again? My plans for how I was going to approach the “86″ were the same as any other car and 200hp barely registers on the scare factor. A sideways Caterham at 180kph, an unruly Lamborghini Super Leggera on greasy roads or an aquaplaning R8 V10 registers on “The Radar” but those are different stories. The “Hero of the Day” award here goes to the magnificent “86″.

In hindsight, “Option A” was probably the real reason because it was, umm… my error. You see, getting into the car in my anticipation to get it on with the “86″, the first thing I looked for was the T/C button. I found it easily enough ( there are only a couple of these types of buttons to play with in the “86″ ), hit it once and watched the dash light up telling me the T/C was off, or so I thought. So I set off down the pit exit, chirped it into second and powered off into the track entry. Then I turned in and kicked the clutch expecting to get my swing on but I was rewarded with about 15 degrees of angle before the power was severed and the electronics tried to sort the chassis out, believing it was about to be crashed.

It was a frustrating 3 laps. Each time I threw the “86′s” light weight around to induce a slide, I’d bring the power in with the foot flat to the floor, the back would step out for a couple of moments and then the electronics, like cops raiding a frat party, would bust in and spoil it for everyone. So damn intrusive! This was a real problem now and I was punching at the T/C button like a madman, seconds ticking away from those precious 3 laps. Only 3 laps and I’d never even set foot on the Fuji Speedway short course before so there was also that to contend with.

But we continued, were called in and then, just like that, it was all over. I hopped out of the blue “86″, looked at it for a few seconds, bemused, and then started to explain in animated detail how the cars balance and flavor was to me as the driver but when the adrenaline eventually wore off, I felt something major, something really fundamental was missing from the experience and I knew I hadn’t got nearly enough out of the car as I could have. It nagged at my conscience. The T/C had completely spoiled the test! ( But we both know it was actually my stupidity. )

Cue Toyota. After relaying this in comment to a couple of the Marketing staff that did such a wonderful job to take care of everyone there, they actually found me a space right at the end of the day for one more run and I bolted over to Fuji Short again to make sure I got it right this time. There were no more journalists clamoring for a seat. No more spectators looking on and adding pressure. Nothing to prove. Just me and ‘ol Bluey with the track to ourselves. And sinking into the awesomely supportive factory semi buckets, I strapped in, and remembering what renowned motoring journalist Peter Lyon had told me earlier, held the T/C button down for a few seconds. T/C…disengaged!

Down the pitlane and at the end I kicked the clutch pedal again but this time the back stepped out wildly, caught with an armful of opposite lock. Bringing in the power, Bluey just rose in revs, sound and anger as it went right out sideways and up to the 7200rpm cutoff. This was much better! With the foot still buried heading into that first left, right, tightening uphill left turn, I wind it the other way and give the clutch a quick jab with a touch more anticipation than before and caught the back end stepping out so effortlessly and so naturally it took me completely by surprise.

The “86″ is not a snappy car in any way and it wasn’t floating around, “boatlike”, either. Rather, there was a rapid delivery of linear smoothness to the way it was coming on underneath me and the chassis sat low, felt tight, nimble and light as a feather; just reading the input and responding to what I was telling it to do. It is really very very simple to just get in the “86″, turn the key and go for it. Take my word for this because I believe I really found some of its limits even in that excruciatingly short amount of time. Driving this car on the limit couldn’t be easier. It will be so much bloody harder for you to wipe the grin from your face should you put your money where it needs to be!

I was utterly loving Bluey’s new character and on each successive lap, I pushed it harder and harder, getting lurid 20 or 30 meter slides out of it and with all the effortlessness in the world, transitioning as quickly as I dared through each corner I threw the car into. The chassis is brilliantly poised, neutrally balanced and with a weight distribution 53%-47% front to rear, you can clearly see ( and feel ) that much time had been spent finding just the right flavor for its handling.

The 2 liter boxer four sports direct injection from Toyota that appears to have made a distinct difference to the power delivery but there is that familiar boxer rumble coming from the front and it is slightly unnerving because the badges and engine sounds don’t match. Nevertheless, it makes a factory claimed 200ps (197hp) delivered @ 7200 and is backed up by 151 lb/ft and a 12.5:1 compression ratio. Hi-comp N/A engines are back in fashion, baby! Honestly, if you’re worried about the “power” of the car, don’t be; 200ps ( as a starting point ) is just enough for the car. Actually, I say it could do with about 20 to 30hp more but that’s easily achievable with some basic exhaust and engine mods from the catalog or from the raft of aftermarket modifications that are surely coming for the car during 2012 and 2013.

I know Subaru’s and know them quite well actually, having owned a 2006 STi Forester SG9 for many years and having driven some of the finest STi’s available in Japan and I am very pleased to say that the gearbox in the “86″ is a total gem to work with, having carried that sweet shifting, snickety, feel-good confidence that you’d expect from throwing through any good Subaru 6 speed manual. Toyota are even going to let you have the option to customize its ratios! The only let down really on that side of things was the clutch which, like the Forester ( and many other Subarus I’ve tested ) was way too light and lacked any real feel for when and how strongly it was going to bite. It needs more weight. Out back, the rear end of the car is spectacularly good and so easy to control with either the throttle, steering, brakes or combination of the three. Weights have been all but confirmed with the version I drove tipping the scales at 1240kg’s which is pretty decent. The ultra stripped out, bare bones version will be even less at 1180kg’s.

I just couldn’t get over how rapidly and fluidly it could be made to change direction, buttery smooth in its rubber smack-down to the tarmac, switching up on command like a prize fighter. It just got better and better with each corner. I’m not lying when I say this; there is an element to the way this car handles and delivers its power that was so reminiscent of the AE86 of old. Something special from the AE86 has been preserved, saved, carried over and then imparted with careful consideration into the new “86″ chassis. You’ll appreciate how responsive the car is to your input before anything else springs to mind.

Still, there were some people who got out of the “86″ and said, “…yeah, it’s orright…” or “…needs moar Powa…” but I don’t think they really got it at all and who can blame them with only 3 laps behind the wheel? Power is meaningless in a chassis made from rubbish and this one is made from pure driving ether, so surely we should be looking at, what I consider to be, the huge potential of the car as a complete and tunable “package” instead of as an overly hyped sum of its pieces in which a power figure is but one part? This car ( and with it the BRZ ) is going to be a game changer for the tuning industry in Japan which is, for lack of a better analogy, at the bottom of the 8th innings with bases loaded and 2 strike-outs on the board. Trust me when I tell you Japan’s tuning industry is in trouble and that it desperately needs a fresh injection of new “blood” to get specific markets moving again.

And how good is it to entertain the thought that Nissan will pull out the plans for the S16 they carelessly tossed in the dumpster a couple of years back? They really have to make that car now because they will well and truly been left behind by Toyota and Subaru if they don’t. Or perhaps not entirely. You see, according to very high ranking sources within Nissan and Nismo, both companies are carefully watching to see how successful the BRZ and 86 are going to be. In actual fact, I quote one as saying, “…we hope they sell well because that will validate the return of a car like the Silvia.” When I asked if Nissan were still developing the S16 in any way, the response was cryptic; “I’m sure if you ask them, they will say they have no comment on the matter.” Read into that what you will.

You have to keep in mind that this is the base model you are looking at and things are still under development on the car but it’s a pretty damn good place to start. Speaking of which, I have it on authority that TRD and TOM’S have been developing their own versions with 86′s for months now and may just be making a possible demo car or two for the AutoSalon in January. We’ll keep you posted on those developments as they come to hand. Sure, Toyota is still perfecting the recipe but you can guarantee this is what the final car will look like and I really like it. It has all the hallmarks of a winning combination ( perhaps the only downside being the restrictions to tuners apparently due to Toyotas direct injection system ) and stands to really recapture a lot of tuners out there in Driverland that have been yearning for a new chassis to pour development money into.

I’ll leave the final word to the paying customer as these individuals will vote with their feet and their wallets but before that let me tell you what Akio Toyoda san told me himself a couple of nights ago. I had the privilege of spending about 20 minutes with the President of Toyota at the Lexus Spindle party discussing the 86 and during that time we talked about the car on a number of levels. I gave him all my feedback as a driver and he mentioned that a lot of his own input had gone into the project and that he wanted to open a new chapter of Toyota to the world of performance car enthusiasts. He acknowledged the need for Toyota to change, has set his mind to the task and that the car you see in this post is only the beginning. I was thrilled to hear these things and throughly encouraged by his convictions and the strength of his resolution. I’m convinced the project will be a great success because the product is so damn good.

The AE86 of old was never about power and neither is the new 86; rather, it’s all about the finesse of the chassis and overall balance of the parts in play to offer such an enjoyable driving experience and I have to say that Toyota and Subaru have hit a bullseye that is sure to put a grin on the faces of anyone who gets behind the wheel.

The only question is… which one is it going to be for you? Toyota or Subaru? You decide…

Either way, everyone wins.

twitchyzero

11-30-2011, 10:36 PM

the 86 badge looks like something out of a marvel comic superhero logo

Sky_High

12-01-2011, 03:33 AM

From Toyota FT-86 Concept to GT 86

From Toyota FT-86 Concept to GT 86 - YouTube

Glove

12-01-2011, 07:55 AM

apparently the BRZ sti might have a 300hp option?

this would be much more attractive then

mos_skeeto

12-01-2011, 10:47 AM

People were wondering if we're getting 2 or 4 seats:
Picture 12 - Scion unveils 2013 FR-S sports coupe (http://www.leftlanenews.com/photos/scion-fr-s-picture-12.html)

Since the Scion is for north america it looks like we are. They don't look comfortable at all!

Nlkko

12-01-2011, 11:57 AM

its a compact sports coupe what do you expect. The base Scion will most likely be significantly cheaper than the brz and 86 with all the bell and whistle removed: no heated seat, no dual zone climate control, no nav, no exhaust tip, no extra front fog lights.

NashMan

12-01-2011, 04:16 PM

should have had a 4sgte in it alumin version of the 3sgte or some thing like that I still hate the boxer based motor

and all ways loved the toyota/yamaha tie in

and I dis-like the name 86 since it's a clone car and the 86 never was

I can all ready see toyota prized installment of direct injection being ripped out and just running the port injection instead

the only reason why this is added to the boxer motor is because it had a major issue with the intake valve's gumming up so now there use fuel to clean them, very simple yet easy on the environment

this car all has down fall when it comes to turbos as well since it has such high comp and will run 89 to 91 fuel mix a turbo this will be 94 all day car and have low out put power

over all I wish the subaru motor never made it's way into Toyota

because the new hype will just be stuff an sti motor in it

and the motor is the hart of any car and will be remember if it was any good
mix this with a plate forum used by both companies and subaru motor

in the end it looks like Toyota just slap a Toyota sticker on subaru

and had the nerve to call it an 86

flagella

12-01-2011, 09:54 PM

didn't follow every page, so my bad if already posted.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6436244421_9b049d9d1f_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6436250515_9f94c98db1_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6436241431_602e559047_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7003/6436263149_2d0da4e35a_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/6436195573_a75fcdc85a_b.jpg

Some nice wheels and a drop def help. Looks like Greddy SE exhaust.

SpuGen

12-01-2011, 10:27 PM

.Renn.Sport

12-01-2011, 11:39 PM

It's 2600lbs numbnuts.

Do you literally shit out of your mouth? Nobody, and I do mean NOBODY, thinks you're going to buy a Panamera, a GT3, a GTR and then "ooh get excited about the toyota 86 and order the first one!" ... You're fucking retarded stop posting.

FYI, I already have a Panamera and GT3RS, I'm just upgrading them

I'll probably just drive the 86 for a month and sell it.

Problem?

hk20000

12-01-2011, 11:46 PM

Basically, the GT86 comes with a Datalogger that will allow you to transfer data into your PS3.
It does playbacks and stuff.

Meaning: It's useless in Vancouver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9gWVGtQJl0

Scion FR-S Reveal - Interview, GReddy & GT5 Data logger - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIVWz1Kl_Oc&hd=1)

The closest real life track that's on GT5 would be Laguna Seca? Or they should just lock up some streets of Seattle ROFL. :alonehappy:

tofu1413

12-01-2011, 11:56 PM

we should plan out the richmond circuit.

2Fast 2Furious style.

then do the bridge thing too.. :troll:

Sky_High

12-02-2011, 12:43 AM

FYI, I already have a Panamera and GT3RS, I'm just upgrading them

I'll probably just drive the 86 for a month and sell it.

Problem?

Why bother selling it?

Thought you're rich, no? Just crash it into a pole.
Or drive it into the ocean.
http://img.cloudfilebox.de/pictures/2009/12/22_20091219043000.jpg

:heckno:

StylinRed

12-02-2011, 12:59 AM

i just hope they dont do what they did with the celica etc where they rip out all the neat stuff to bring the price down in NA

falcon

12-02-2011, 06:37 AM

I hope they do. Give me a bare bones, no AC, no power windows, no sunroof, no power locks, no power anything and I'll buy one.

Nlkko

12-02-2011, 09:23 AM

^Toyota reportedly have a tuner version of the 86 with none of the above and unpainted front bumper.

Anyways:

Supercharged Toyota 86 being developed by TRD (http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/260343/)

Toyota is already hard at work evaluating a high performance version of the new Toyota GT 86 sporting coupe. Chief engineer Tetsuo Tada says that not only is a supercharged GT 86 envisaged, test cars have already been made and are being evaluated by Toyota Racing Developments, the Japanese giant’s in house tuning division.
Tada-san favours the supercharger approach because it is simpler to achieve than increasing engine size and doesn’t wreck throttle response as turbocharging might. Indeed Toyota says that turbocharging along with four-wheel drive and wide tyres are what make sports cars boring to drive.

Supercharging is also a key competence for TRD which has been offering this kind of forced induction as an aftermarket kit for Toyotas since 1998. He would not be drawn on what kind of power a supercharged GT 86 might develop but Toyota is known to consider the car’s chassis could easily handle an additional 50bhp to go with the 197bhp already generated by its Subaru 2-litre flat four motor, a view with which, having driven the car, we wholly concur. However he says the TRD is also looking at ways of modifying the suspension to cope with the extra power, raising the possibility of a still more substantial power hike.

TRD’s most popular supercharger conversion is applied to the American market Tacoma pick up, boosting its 4-litre V6 engine from 233bhp to 301bhp suggesting that a 280bhp GT 86 with, critically, a massive boost in the low down torque the car currently lacks would be easily achieved. Even in the unlikely event that all the modifications added 100kg to the weight of the car, its power to weight ratio would still at least equal that of the 326bhp Nissan 370Z, a car capable of hitting 62mph from rest in 5.3sec and recording a top speed of 155mph. The standard GT 86 needs around 6.8sec and does 143mph. It is not yet known whether, if approved, the supercharged GT 86 would be offered as an aftermarket pack or as a model in its own right.
Tada also confirmed that it was so important to his team that even the standard GT 86 drifted properly that special tests were incorporated into the car’s development programme specifically for this purpose, ‘the first time this has ever been done on any Toyota.

The package is rumored to be in the 5 digit price. Probably an overpriced rebadge unit or something else. It's good news, showing that this car can at least be tuned to make more power. They never had anything like that for the Celica.

hk20000

12-02-2011, 09:40 AM

Celica had the Msport package in Japan with improved IHE for that extra 17bhp or so.

In other news here's a newer TV CM from Japan.... Looks like a Ridge Racer rip off haha
TOYOTA 86 Full Throttle - YouTube

While it's exciting it's a bit amateurish, but that's also part of its marketing language it should be something you don't look up to but something you will own even if you have the mentality of a 10 year old.

Onassis

12-02-2011, 10:19 AM

FYI, I already have a Panamera and GT3RS, I'm just upgrading them

I'll probably just drive the 86 for a month and sell it.

Problem?

http://i34.tinypic.com/dd1enb.jpg

twitchyzero

12-02-2011, 10:39 AM

was browsing the scion pics...TCS and sport/snow mode on a < $30k car?
http://photos.leftlanenews.com/photos/content/september2011/thumbnailsnew/scion-frs-production-16_653.jpg

gilly

12-02-2011, 10:55 AM

lets just hope that a limited scion with all options is priced just under 30k

hk20000

12-02-2011, 11:27 AM

was browsing the scion pics...TCS and sport/snow mode on a < $30k car?
http://photos.leftlanenews.com/photos/content/september2011/thumbnailsnew/scion-frs-production-16_653.jpg
VSC-like system mandatory on all cars sold in USA since 2010. And usually TCS just comes as a bonus because it's largely the same system with different algorithms. My 2010 Cube has VSC and TCS...on what's essentially a 18k USD car.

here is a picture of the fully option-ed out version doing its deed in the hands of the talented drivers of EVO UK

http://www.evo.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_964/car_photo_482332_25.jpg

It's like a new Supra actually. I like that.

jing

12-02-2011, 12:05 PM

You have to pay extra for that wing? :fuckthatshit:
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PuYang

12-02-2011, 01:10 PM

will the Subaru's BRZ also get the same supercharger? or is this a toyota/scion only thing?

supercharged boxer!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

EDIT:
nvm, apparently the TRD supercharged version is meant to COMPETE with the subaru's BRZ STI ;[

Manic!

12-02-2011, 01:20 PM

twitchyzero

12-02-2011, 02:14 PM

VSC-like system mandatory on all cars sold in USA since 2010. And usually TCS just comes as a bonus because it's largely the same system with different algorithms. My 2010 Cube has VSC and TCS...on what's essentially a 18k USD car.

good to know...does that apply to all Canadian spec cars too?

hk20000

12-02-2011, 03:25 PM

no Yaris and some other lower model cars were sold without VSC in Canada before 2011. But as of 1st Jan 2011 it's now also mandatory in Canada.

Electronic Stability Control now mandatory | Wheels.ca (http://www.wheels.ca/article/800132)

NashMan

12-02-2011, 04:14 PM

super charger big woopy frankly trds super chargers are like junk for what they are

sure a super charger installed on a truck it is good idea but for a car boooooo stuiped idea toyota way to go

plus super chargers are shittyer on gas then a turbo ):

sti turbo will end up being the choice to own over the super charger and be much more upgradeable and better on gas

shakes head oh well what can ya do

crazyazn

12-02-2011, 05:58 PM

Hmm...the shape kinda remind me of the Mitsubishi FTO :considered:

Over9K

12-02-2011, 06:26 PM

NashMan

12-02-2011, 07:10 PM

^

yes I have heard of one but umm that not what a bypass valve does there Sherlock

a clutch pulley will play's the roll of turning off supercharger so no parasitic drain is had on the motor by turning the rotors

if you have not notice if you look at the new Chevy cobalt ss they ditch the stupid super charger because it is bad idea

turbo technology is so far advanced right now it stupid to super charge in less you need low end torque asap like a truck would or Detroit diesel to powers it turbos.

but thanks for coming out

Over9K

12-02-2011, 07:15 PM

Bypass valves will minimize parasitic drain. Hit up Eaton's website and learn how it works.

Magna Charger manufacturers intercooled supercharging systems for late model GM and Ford cars, trucks and SUVs utilizing OEM quality Eaton hybrid superchargers. (http://www.magnusonproducts.com/bypass.htm) Here, read this too.

Supercharging will offer a broad torque band, what this car really needs.

Opcon's and the Eaton TVS are extremely efficient superchargers.

NashMan

12-02-2011, 08:01 PM

don't care turbos are free power and better on the environment, roots chargers are not

the only good belt driven charger that is good is the rotrex but i highly dought it will find it's way on to a toyota

shutting it off fully is the best way no if and or butts

toyota did this on the 4agze an old trick to save fuel was to run toggle switch in the cabin to fully turn the super charger off to save fuel then just drive around with no bost what so ever

plus it's going to suck when your buddie in a braz flash's his ecu and chnages some small things cheeply to up the boost higher and then walk's all over you

were as super charger can have pullie installed and a re flash and net small gain's

so all in all toyota get's a nice butt cheek clap from me

Over9K

12-02-2011, 08:34 PM

Actually, centrifugal superchargers are the worst ones out there...

/face fucking palm.

Turbo's are not free power...piston has to work harder to push the exhaust gasses out as there is back pressure in the system (turbocharger.) AKA, pumping loss.

Or you can mess with the bypass valve to increase boost... They're adjustable.

Electro magnetic clutches will eventually fail.

Datsun

12-02-2011, 10:18 PM

Not good enough people. We need more things to bitch and moan about for a car that we haven't even driven yet!

Nlkko

12-02-2011, 10:41 PM

A couple of reviews for the Subaru BROZ:

Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1112_2013_subaru_brz/)

Two days after the official unveiling of the all-new BRZ sports coupe at the Tokyo Motor Show, Subaru invited a small group of select U.S. journalists for a quick test drive of the 2013 Subaru BRZ at the Subaru Kenkyu Center (SKC) two hours north of Tokyo.

After revealing that the BRZ name stands for Boxer Rear Drive Zenith, and plying us with all manner of technical specifications, Subaru P.R. released us on a short course that included a high-speed oval, twisty handling track, and a section of broken tarmac. We were given a few 15-minute stints with two U.S.-production models: a high-spec BRZ Limited equipped with the optional six-speed automatic transmission and a base model BRZ Premium with the standard six-speed manual.

BRZ Limited with 6-Speed Automatic
When the start button mounted just ahead of the gear selector knob is pushed, the BRZ comes to life with a growl that settles into a smooth, burbling exhaust note. But when the car is opened up on the banked oval, the note coarsens into something more animalistic. However, it's not the braaap-braapp flatulence you might expect from, say, the WRX STI. This is a bit more sedate, yet pleasant in the way it resonates throughout the cockpit. Credit goes to supplier Mahle for piping the boxer engine note through the bulkhead in a manner similar to what Ford engineers did with the Mustang. At wide-open throttle, the pipe brings in a pleasing roar, loud enough that you'll be shouting to your buddy sitting next to you, "SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD, RIGHT?"

The steering wheel is small, just 14.4 inches in diameter, and the smallest of any modern Subaru. But the shape and diameter is just right - thick enough given the small size, but oversize and doughy like the ones in recent BMW M cars. The steering wheel is covered in black leather with red contrast stitching to match the dark interior. An obviously Toyota parts-bin cruise control lever hangs off the right side of the wheel, and there are no other controls, giving the wheel sanitary look that compliments the center stack and instrument panel.

Feedback from the tiller is immediate and natural, which is a relief since it is an electric power-assisted steering (EPAS) system. The feel is not as light as an MX-5, yet provides none of the artificial heft of Audi's Dynamic mode (thank goodness). It's just clean and organic-feeling. It is not as precise or direct as one of the handling targets (Porsche Cayman), but it's close enough to its boxer brethren to be mentioned in the same breath. The same cannot be said of everything else in what Subaru claims is the BRZ's competitive set: Mini Cooper S, Civic Si, Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Miata MX-5, and of course Scion FR-S.

Outward visibility is excellent, even though the driver sits low in a package not much longer than a Mazda MX-5. The FA20 engine, a 2.0-liter flat-four variant of the new Impreza FB family, is mounted as low and as far back as possible in the chassis, which improves everything from handling to outward sightlines, thanks to the low hood and cowl heights.

The optional Aisin-derived six-speed automatic trans is good enough, but surpassed in shift speed and response by today's dual clutches. Up- and downshifts are appreciably quick for an automatic via the steering-wheel-mounted paddles (metallic painted plastic) or slotting the shift lever towards you and toggling back and forth. But the car won't always give up a downshift upon demand; instead, a beep-beep warning is heard.

Still, the overarching sensation through the hands, butt, and inner ear is superb balance. To keep the center of gravity (CoG) low, BRZ engineers put lighter, higher-strength steel high up in the body. Moving from the oval to the winding track reveals the benefits of both low mass and CoG, as there is little brake or accel dive and almost zero roll when cornering.

That is not to say push is entirely absent. Apparently, for safety reasons, understeer is the default condition when you get sloppy. It's easy to induce through early turn-in, which causes the front outside tire to roll over and howl unhappily as the nose plows.
As a credit to the BRZ's balance, oversteer is a cinch to find as well. Flick the wheel while adding too much throttle, and the back end will break away in a progressive, predictable fashion. Yes, BRZ will dorifuto, but more on that later.

An early surprise is how aggressively the stability control intervenes in normal driving mode. The car has been criminally smooth until this point, but once the tail begins to get unsettled, things get a bit rough. In normal mode (all traction and stability controls left on), the primary response is the quick and noisy application of brake to the inside rear wheel. Dragging this tire helps kill the initial rotation and brings the car back in line, albeit in a noisy, staccato fashion. BRZ engineers say the secondary response is reduced throttle response, but that is harder to sense.

Traction and stability control algorithms are governed by three buttons mounted just behind the shifter in 6AT-equipped BRZs. (Manuals lose the center Sport/Snow button.) With one touch, the left button partial turns off stability control; when held down for 3 seconds, it turns off completely. As you'd expect, the latter is a must for wannabe drifters.

In automatic BRZs, pushing the sport/snow mode rocker switch forward turns on a yellow SPORT light in the instrument panel and sharpens the throttle map and shift algorithm, resulting in quicker shifts and lower gears held to higher RPMs. What sport mode doesn't affect is EPAS or throttle response. Toggling the rocker switch back to snow mode starts the transmission in second gear, reducing wheel slippage in low-grip conditions.

Punching the rightmost button engages Sport VSC mode. This activates a combination of stability/sport indicator lights on the gauge cluster and lets you hang the car's tail out a touch, via steering angle, yaw rate, and lateral G sensors that forecast the vehicle's position. If that future looks too sideways, brake and throttle cut precautions engage. In practice, it's the best mode for spirited road courses like the SKC handling track. This twisty second/third-gear course had several tight low-speed turns and a couple of nasty mid-corner bumps that conspired to unsettle the BRZ. Sport VSC caught it every time, with a more progressive engagement of stability control over the normal mode.

BRZ Premium with 6-speed manual
As good as the BRZ auto is (and it's very impressive), I'm glad I drove it first, because the Premium model with the standard six-speed manual is the purist's delight.

But check your purists preconceptions at the door, because this ain't no stripper model. Perhaps as a nod to Scion's content-cramming technique, all BRZ models come standard with a limited-slip differential; cruise control; eight-speaker audio system with navigation and XM radio; leather-wrapped steering wheel, shift knob, and e-brake handle; soft-touch dash; and black fabric trim. Step up from base Premium spec to Limited, and you get leather/Alcantara seats and surfaces, 17-inch wheels with summer tires (instead of 16s with all-seasons), vented 11.6-inch disc brakes up front, and vented 11.5-inches at the rear.

But back to how it drives. Ergonomics play a bigger factor in the manual as your right hand must frequently leave the wheel to engage the six-speed trans. Shifter position and feel is excellent, lighter yet tighter, and far less rubbery than the WRX STI's hand-built gearbox (the two share the shift knob and lever arm). To be fair, the latter is built for the abuse of a much heavier, 300-hp rally racer. In terms of weighting and crispness, the BRZ is mighty impressive, though I'd still give the Mazda MX-5 the nod in terms of near-perfect positioning.

Why do we still love manuals so much? Because direct control over the transmission allows the driver to really ring out the RPMs and fill the BRZ's cabin with arguably the best exhaust note a Subaru has ever produced. It's loud and not particularly smooth, but completely beguiling and perhaps the beefiest-sounding 200-horsepower four-cylinder engine note around.

Manuals also encourage drag launches and other hooliganism. With VSC Sport on, one-two shifts near the 7400 RPM redline will loudly chirp rear tires. The two-three shift gives only the faintest pip, and not all the time (remember, there are only 150 lb-ft of torque). Wring it out all the way through sixth gear and you can enter SKC's 43-degree banking over 120 mph. At that speed, the BRZ feels stable and planted -- perhaps due to the number of aerodynamic doodads (rear diffuser, double bubble roof, deck wing [Limited only]) that help the car achieve a 0.27 coefficient of drag. We didn't attempt VMAX, but Subaru engineer say a 7450-rpm fuel cutoff limits top speed to 220 kmh -- which is approximately 136.7 mph. To be honest, that seems a bit low.

On the handling course, you can drive the manual BRZ differently than the auto -- upshifting and rev-match downshifting at will -- but you don't have to. Though relatively low on torque, the FA20 is quick to rev and pulls the 2800-pound chassis around with no real flat spots in acceleration. I left it in third gear for two laps of the road course and never felt the need to downshift, except for the tightest of hairpin corners. Staying in second meant bouncing off the 7400-rpm rev limit or repeatedly snicking the fantastic transmission.

Just before I headed out to track for my second stint in the 6MT, a BRZ engineer let slip that the lateral acceleration target is 1.0g I tried to validate this claim on a giant circular skidpad using my patented belly fat accelerometer, but gave up after about 90 degrees in favor of practicing my best Keiichi Tsuchiya impersonations.

As I said earlier, yes, the BRZ will drift, and it is a beautiful thing. The combination of low mass, low center of gravity, and rear-wheel drive creates a neutral-handling vehicle that needs only to be flicked into a corner to get the rear tires breaking sideways (no clutch kicking or other abuse needed). With just enough torque available low in the rev range, and a reasonably high redline, BRZ can keep its tires spinning while the exploratory "dabs of oppo" can be dialed in. This very different from the Miata/MX-5, which is only beginning to break sideways at the top of its rev range before you must shift and kill any sideways momentum.

But it's not quite ready for Formula D just yet. While it has the snap to transition quickly from side-to-side and drift-to-drift, the BRZ needs more power to sustain the kind of high-speed drifts that win head-to-head battles. However, it would make a killer track day or autocross racer right off the lot with just a stickier set of tires (and Subaru says you can do that by folding down the rear seats and stuffing the 6.9-cubic-foot trunk with spares and tools. Try that in your Miata.)

Final Thoughts
The BRZ delivers as promised. Handling is as sweet as Orange Tang, but far less artificial-tasting. Power is not neck-snapping, but the car has just enough to make it exceptionally responsive. My frequent Mazda MX-5/Miata references are no mistake; the BRZ is definitely in that Zoom Zoom category of vehicles that deliver grins from pinning occupants to the side bolsters rather than seatbacks. The low mass, low center of gravity, and lack of dive and roll combine with direct steering and excellent outward visibility to create an exceptionally focused and pleasurable driving experience. With the BRZ, instead of adding speed with the gas pedal, you can refrain from subtracting speed with the brakes. The car is about carrying speed and momentum, and will surely be snapped up by auto crossers and track day enthusiasts alike. Our drive was brief, but the takeaway message is that the BRZ is a scalpel in the current rear-drive knife fight.

The 2013 Subaru BRZ will be available in seven colors (black, pearl white, silver, dark grey, dark blue, world rally blue, and red) when it goes on sale in May 2012. Expected volume for the BRZ is in the neighborhood of 3600-4000 per year and the cars will be built alongside the Toyota GT 86 and Scion FR-S at Subaru's Gunma Main Plant. Prices are said to be "very close to the WRX" for base model (Premium), so expect $24,000 for Premium models and roughly $27,000 for the BRZ Limited. As precision surgical instruments go, that's a pretty good deal.

Road and Track (http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/drives/2013-subaru-brz)

We drive Subaru's new $25,000 baby.

Kuzu City, Tochigi, Japan—It’s rare we get to test a new sports car aimed directly at those who want a sports car but don’t have Porsche money in the bank.

This one is, of course, the long-anticipated Subaru BRZ, as in Boxer, Rear-wheel drive Zenith (as in peak, not the television set). Jointly developed with Toyota (and to also be sold as the Scion FR-S in the U.S.), the BRZ was mostly engineered by Subaru and mostly styled by Toyota, with companies tweaking the other’s efforts to personalize the machine somewhat.

Getting right to the driving—look out, Miata. With the exception of the brief, unfulfilled “Solstice interlude,” Mazda has owned the small sports car market and with good reason. Great car, the Miata, and Mazda has never taken its eye off the ball when it comes to keeping it pure and honest.

Strong Off the Line

Mazda finally has real competition. From the start, the 2.0-liter flat-4 pulls smoothly, and is flexible enough to drive off at 1500 rpm in 6th gear. It’s more fun, of course, to be down a few notches in the smooth, lightweight 6-speed manual transmission. The engine pulls strongly from 3000 rpm to the 150 lb.-ft. peak at 6600 rpm. Redline is 7400. Subaru says the BRZ hits 60 mph in less than 7 seconds with the manual gearbox. Along the way, you’ll find the exhaust to be as exuberant as the engine.

Considering cars of this ilk, I think of a road that connects Highway 1 with 101 in Northern California, a twisting, climbing-then-falling two-laner among the redwoods. What you want there is a machine that not only handles with ease, but also has the sort of torque character that means you aren’t shifting every other corner. In 2nd gear? No problem, stick with it. In 3rd? That’s okay too. Instead, enjoy the drive, the even turn-in—there’s just a bit of confidence-inspiring understeer—and the good balance even when the road might dip into a rut in the apex.

The ride is a proper match to the handling, isolated for both quality and sound, and yet not separating you from the driving experience. On a straight highway where exhaust sound and handling aren’t important, shift up to 6th and the exhaust falls away for a reasonably calm highway ride. Keep going and we’re told you could top out at more than 135 mph. Overall, it’s a good dual-character machine that’s fun on the weekends but won’t beat you up during the week. Early mileage estimates peg the BRZ at 30 mpg on the highway.

Do It Automatically

At risk of sounding heretical here, you can have just as much fun with the automatic. Paddle shifters are standard, and when you shift the mode from D to M for manual, the mapping tightens up. Nice rev-popping to match downshifts and, again, the torque minimizes the amount of shifting you’ll be doing.

The Miata does get points for being a roadster, where the BRZ is only a coupe. We’d put money down that at some point there will be a soft top BRZ, but don’t hold your breath.

Besides, it’s a very handsome coupe. The Subaru and Scion are basically the same design, and hint at a sort of 7/8th-scale modern rendition of the original Datsun 240Z...and we mean that as a compliment. The Subaru and Scion share the same taillights, but the Subie gets HID headlamps. Unfortunately, both designs have the non-functional grille at the tops of the front fenders. The roof is a “double bubble,” not in the classic Zagato sense, but “flat bubbles,” taller on the sides for added headroom and stiffness.

The roofline’s side curve peaks right about where the driver gets in, so entry and exit for anyone around six feet is easy. You’ll snuggle right into the well-bolstered seats, which should be as comfortable for long runs as for tight corners. Outward visibility—with a minor exception in rear view—is quite good for a car of this size.

Inside Line

In this day of hard interior plastic/low-cost interiors, Subaru has done a reasonable job of making certain everything you touch has a comfortable feel to it. There’s leather on the shift knob, emergency brake handle and steering wheel, the last adjustable for rake and reach.

Three gauges are straight ahead, the center a tach with a digital speedo, the analog speedometer to the left, fuel and temp on the right. HVAC controls are in the center stack, configured with knobs and levers that are large enough that you can easily operate them, even with gloves. No mysteries, no fiddling around.

There are two possible negatives inside. Subaru may call this a 2+2, but that’s being optimistic. It’s more like a 2+ kids. Subaru points out, howevever, that with the folding rear seatback you can fit a pair of golf bags or four racing tires, helmet and tools in back.

The other area of concern is the radio/navigational system. Kudos to Subaru for making navi standard at this price, but the system is clumsy and requires a lot of time with eyes off the road.

Tech Basics

We’ve already written about the technical basics of the BRZ. The 200-bhp, 2.0-liter, fuel-injected flat-4 that sits well back and low in the chassis, all the better to lower the center of gravity and reduce the polar moment of inertia. You can have either a 6-speed manual or the aforementioned 6-speed automatic gearbox, and a Torsen limited-slip differential is standard as are 17-in. wheels and tires. Front suspension is MacPherson struts; the rear is a double-wishbone layout with Impreza roots. Steering has electric assist with a ratio of 13.1:1 through a 14.4-in. steering wheel.

Price? Nothing final, but we believe the $25,000 sports car ball has just been lobbed into the Miata’s court.

Timpo

12-03-2011, 12:37 AM

Toyota Already Planning More Powerful, Supercharged TRD 86?
By Mike Magrath | December 2, 2011

This is the rumor we've been expecting since the minute we learned that the 86, FR-S and BRZ would come to the market with a naturally aspirated, 200 horsepower boxer four: Autocar is reporting that Toyota is currently evaluating a higher-horsepower 86 and prefer supercharging.

200 horsepower was sufficient for a sports car in 1991. Sure, this one doesn't weigh a lot, but even so, 200 horsepower isn't enough to make this one fun for people who don't understand the phrase "conservation of momentum." Supercharging should fix that...

Speaking with Toyota Chief engineer Tetsuo Tada, Autocar is reporting that not only is Toyota considering a supercharged 86, but that test mules are already being evaluated by TRD.

And that's where this one goes from wild rumor to real possibility. TRD already sells supercharger kits and has since '98. The most popular being the one for the US market Tacoma which kicks power from 233 to 301. An additional 70 horsepower sure would help this little car run with the big boys even if it does add weight.

TRD offering a supercharger is a great idea, but it leaves Subaru a little behind. They'll either need to figure out an aftermarket system of their own, or offer a factory turbocharged BRZ. Subaru fanbois simply couldn't cope with the idea of a supercharged, rear-drive Subie.

http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/assets_c/2011/11/GT_86_EXT_002-thumb-717x477-107752.jpg

CP.AR

12-03-2011, 12:41 AM

Nice, return of TRD.
that means honda is going to fight back with a Type-R... hopefully done properly for the usdm market as well

Sky_High

12-03-2011, 12:43 AM

Timpo, werent you the one that originally created the new thread for "86"

It got merged........now another one just for the supercharged 86???!

:facepalm:

NashMan

12-03-2011, 12:52 AM

rotrex are better then roots this is one reason Jackson racing stopped using roots blows this is why hks uses them

speed is what increases boost thus why people use pulleys

at full song the bleed valve is shut in less cracked open a little to control traction in certain gears ect like the cobalt ss with it's lack of traction or at idel when just sitting or putting around with lots of vacuum

as for pumping action that is funny a properly balanced turbo system is by far hands down better

this is why most cars made today are all turbo and the charger's are dieing out

the only plus side of a super charger kit is dealer ship's can install them rather quick and make a buck by saveing time.

I am pretty much down explaining this there not much more to be side

Actually, centrifugal superchargers are the worst ones out there...

/face fucking palm.

Turbo's are not free power...piston has to work harder to push the exhaust gasses out as there is back pressure in the system (turbocharger.) AKA, pumping loss.

Or you can mess with the bypass valve to increase boost... They're adjustable.

Electro magnetic clutches will eventually fail.

TOPEC

12-03-2011, 12:56 AM

interesting to see a flat 4 getting supercharged

FN-2199

12-03-2011, 01:12 AM

More info: No sooner have we seen the real car at the Tokyo Motor Show, than reports emerge claiming that Toyota is working on a faster version of the 86 sports coupe. Autocar reports that Toyota is investigating a supercharger for the 86’s 2.0-liter Boxer-four engine.

The stock engine in the 86 (and, by extension, the Subaru BRZ and U.S.-market Scion FR-S) produces 197 hp and 151 lb-ft of torque. Those figures are certainly adequate for a compact coupe weighing a tad less than 3000 pounds, but Toyota still plans for more oomph.

Toyota chief engineer Tetsuo Tada told Autocar that his company is evaluating supercharged versions of the 86 engine. Developed by Toyota Racing Development, the superchargers apparently provide better throttle response than if the company used a turbocharger. The upgrade could boost the GT 86’s output figures to about 250 hp. Tada also said that Toyota is considered suspension upgrades for a hotter version of the car.

The Toyota 86 is factory-rated to run from 0 to 60 mph in 6.8 seconds, so we can safely expect a supercharged version to slip below the six-second barrier. TRD already sells aftermarket superchargers for the Toyota FJ Cruiser, 4Runner, Sequoia, Tacoma, and Tundra. For its part, Subaru has shown a concept version of a higher-performance BRZ STI with carbon-fiber parts, stiffer suspension, and other upgrades — but it’s unknown whether that car would have more power than the factory rating of 197 hp.

Read more: http://rumors.automobilemag.com/report-faster-supercharged-toyota-86-under-development-92135.html#ixzz1fSuKumeE

It’s been a long two years for Toyota enthusiasts, with the brand having initially teased its FT-86 concept way back in 2009. But the wait is almost over — after numerous concepts and pre-production cars wearing the FT-86, Scion FR-S, Subaru BRZ names, Toyota has taken the wraps off of its rear-wheel drive project with Subaru and given it an official name (at least for Europe): the GT 86.

Toyota says the name GT 86 is a nod to the brand’s GT days in Europe when the Corolla GT (or Levin) AE86, was winning British Touring Car championships and rally events in the 1980s. The GT 86 is taking the stage at this week’s 2011 Tokyo auto show, roughly two years after the first concept took the stage at the 2009 Tokyo show. At this point it’s unclear if the FT-86 name will be used at all, we’ll know more shortly.

In European-spec trim, the GT 86 outputs 197 horsepower at 7000 rpm, and 205 Nm (151 lb-ft) at 6,600 rpm from Subaru’s updated 2.0-liter Boxer four with a12.5:1 compression ratio and Toyota’s D-4S injection technology added on to help better deliver power across the rev range.

The engine will be mated to either a six-speed manual or six-speed automatic with paddle shifters and a limited-slip differential will help put the power down to the rear wheels. So far we don’t have any official performance estimates, but the car is rumored to be able to hit 60 mph in about 6.5 seconds.

Read more: Toyota Unveils GT 86 (FT-86) Before Tokyo Debut - Rumor Central (http://rumors.automobilemag.com/toyota-unveils-gt-86-ft-86-before-tokyo-debut-90593.html#ixzz1fStY3MF2)

http://strumors.automobilemag.com/files/2011/11/Toyota-GT-86-cockpit-1024x640.jpg

http://strumors.automobilemag.com/files/2011/11/Toyota-GT-86-front-and-rear-view-1024x411.jpg

http://strumors.automobilemag.com/files/2011/11/Toyota-GT-86-front-three-quarter-1024x640.jpg

satek

12-03-2011, 01:42 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B7hhG3q5CI&feature=player_embedded

!e.lo_

12-03-2011, 02:11 AM

Timpo, werent you the one that originally created the new thread for "86"

It got merged........now another one just for the supercharged 86???!

:facepalm:

which is why I merged these two.
God damn it Timpo, keep it in ONE thread.

Manic!

12-03-2011, 02:53 PM

I tired explaining this to you but you have a one tracked mind that does not want to look any furth then his own nose.
There are both pros and cons on both forced induction units

witch you have not explained at all besides jibber jabber

open you eyes and stop focusing on one point and look at it as a hole.

what bothers me the most is I bet the brz will sell more then Toyota will in both boosted and n/a models

because they look alike to much what will cause some issue's and if subru does go a head with the turbo they will have the upper hand in the tuner market

I just wish they treated it like the eclipse and talon were like and at least made them look different as possible.

ya never know I may like this car sure but I don't like how Toyota handle it to were it is now.

there is one neat thing that did come to my mind was if both units did comes this way

I would just grab both induction units and then make them into one compound setup (:

but now i am just being silly

Your missing a few points. When people think Subaru they think of tree hugging hippies and AWD cars that are good in the snow. Second thing is price. If 2 cars look alike the cheaper one will sell more, horsepower is not everything. I bet the Toyota/Scion models will outsell the BRZ.

taylor192

12-03-2011, 06:55 PM

If 2 cars look alike the cheaper one will sell more, horsepower is not everything. I bet the Toyota/Scion models will outsell the BRZ.
Matrix vs Vibe, same car, very different stories

Pontiac discounted the Vibe, and it still didn't sell as many as the Matrix. Likewise I agree with you, the Toyota will outsell the Subaru just cause its a Toyota.

Sky_High

12-04-2011, 04:56 AM

One and half year ago......

FT-86 on Display at Odaiba - YouTube!

falcon

12-04-2011, 06:59 AM

rotrex are better then roots this is one reason Jackson racing stopped using roots blows this is why hks uses them

speed is what increases boost thus why people use pulleys

at full song the bleed valve is shut in less cracked open a little to control traction in certain gears ect like the cobalt ss with it's lack of traction or at idel when just sitting or putting around with lots of vacuum

as for pumping action that is funny a properly balanced turbo system is by far hands down better

this is why most cars made today are all turbo and the charger's are dieing out

the only plus side of a super charger kit is dealer ship's can install them rather quick and make a buck by saveing time.

I am pretty much down explaining this there not much more to be side

I have a 297whp 1.6L Rotrex supercharged Miata at 15PSI. Rotrex > PD Superchargers.

RabidRat

12-04-2011, 07:24 AM

Posted on s2ki:

having driven the car more than a few times.

S owners who love their S when they finally drive the GT-86/FR-S will love the car. there's something familiar but not familiar about the car.

the engine sweetspot like i've said before all the media write ups is between 3k and 6500k, there's really no need to push it beyond 7k. in fact when i first drove it the cut-off from what i remember was at 7900-8k rpms and recently the pre-production was cutting sooner at 7600rpms. when you do feel the 2nd cam kick in at 3k its very linear and then tapers off past 7k. the car doesn't need to shift as much as the S entering and exiting into corners. powerwise how does it compare to the S? comparable, but the S is stronger up top. they could've given it a bit more power but there's a reason why it has 200hp.

cool feature that they learned from the LFA. they pumped engine noise into the cabin, at first your going to roll down the window thinking its better to hear but in actuality its better to hear it when the windows are up. the sound is like a subie at idle through 3k but not from 4-7k, weird. in fact that's the only reason the push it beyond 7k just so you can hear the engine. it sounds great on 4 to 3 to 2nd downshifts.

shifter is not S-like but what is. it's direct with a little bit of notchiness entering the gates but not like the 350z more miata like in feel. the pedals are perfect for heel and toe for my 10.5 feet. also the throttle pedal is mounted to the firewall like your pushing down a button, its not a j-arm or floor mounted like some supercars. great driving position for all drivers even for those who are above 6'3". plenty of seat travel, there's height adjustment with a tilt and telescope wheel. also even with the seats set to the lowest setting along with the wheel, my 5' 10" frame could still see perfectly out where the doors and dash wasn't above my shoulders. also, the alcantara red stitched seats are well bolstered on both the torso and thigh area. if you can get people in the back they're also treated with "rear passenger" sport bucket like seats.

the suspension is actually better than the S. driving it on LA freeways compared to the S is a lot more forgiving but you would think that would affect the handling, not! its fluid, agile, direct and super responsive to inputs. in fact a lot of people will probably hate it when they read it, its actualy a little better than the S. the best and easiest way i can say it. if you've ever driven the 3rd gen mr2 or miatas and then drove the S, that's what it feels like. the S though is a little flatter during constant left to right transitions where the FR-S has a little more body roll but not by much.

i wondered after getting in the S how the car would do if it was fitted with stickier summer tires with a staggered wheel and tire set-up, thought-thought-thought.... it will actually ruin it. it will understeer more whereas it transitions so easily and when the rear breaks loose its very progressive, unlike the S. even new rwd drivers with enough seat time will learn how to control this car right away. its off-flick-gas-opposite-super wide grin, and....... its not scary, you and it is very-very much in control. everything from the power, the chassis, the suspension and its michelin primacy mxm4 tires works in perfect harmony.

only gripes with usdm FR-S. the interior materials (dash, door sills, front seats, steering wheel) are of very nice quality and that's because it is shared with GT-86 and BRZ. the a/c controls were lifted from the corolla, tc, yaris, xb parts bin, where the GT and BRZ has digital dials with toggles. also we won't get the smart key with push button start but these features might make it with RS series. tms fought hard to keep them but we want to undercut the price of the BRZ when its avialbale stateside, and we are still negotiating final price with tmmc.

if your looking for a 2+2 S or even a car that similar to the S but you can't get a new one, the FR-S is it. another huge plus will be the price point for a lightweight fun to drive rwd coupe.

Enraged

12-04-2011, 08:08 AM

.......................

nice power, that must be alot of fun in a light car like a miata.

I would love to see a TRD kit for the FR-S/BRZ. Look at the kits they have for the other Toyotas, you get a perfectly fitting kit with a warranty, installed by the dealer, and can roll the cost into your purchase so it only costs you a few extra bucks per month on your payment.

granted they aren't the highest hp gains compared to aftermarket, but sometimes all you need is a simple bump in power.

Nlkko

12-04-2011, 11:24 AM

Toyota considers Supra revival (http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/toyota-considers-supra-revival-20111202-1o9pi.html#poll)

The Japanese giant is set to rediscover its sporty mojo.

Two more sports cars could be developed by Toyota, including a spiritual successor to its cult car, the Supra. The man responsible for the development of the company's new 86 sports car, chief engineer Tetsuya Tada, says there is room for a three-tier sports car line-up in the Toyota range, with one car sitting below the 86 and one above it.

If they were to be made, the three new sports cars would return Toyota to its former two-door glory days, when sports cars were as important to its line-up - and as iconic - as the LandCruiser.

''Right now the 86 will be a mid-size sports car,'' he told Drive through an interpreter.

''I would like to have one smaller and one larger. One would probably be a Supra follower. Nothing has been decided yet. It would [be] like a Supra successor.''

He said the car could be another joint venture with Subaru, which co-developed the 86 (or BRZ as the Subaru is known) but it would depend on the concept.

Subaru has a chequered history with two-door sports cars. The wedge-shaped Vortex of the 1980s and the chunky, expensive and oddly styled SVX struggled to find buyers in the 1990s.

Toyota's sports car history is more comprehensive, encompassing the Celica, mid-engined MR2 and flagship Supra. Each was successful but they have all been discontinued in the past decade. The Supra was an iconic sports car that Toyota produced from the late '70s to 2002. Powered by an in-line six-cylinder engine, it was popular in Australia in the early '90s - although it was discontinued here in 1993 - and fast became a favourite of car tuners.

Grey imports (sold through small importers, not Toyota dealers) were common and gave buyers access to relatively affordable, sleek-looking, high-performance sports cars. Even today the Supra is a popular coupe with enthusiasts and those looking for something different. Modified Supras can still fetch more than $30,000.

It's not yet known if any Supra successor would use the Supra nameplate. Many expected the new coupe to adopt the Celica label but Toyota instead chose to name the car loosely after the AE86 Corolla/Sprinter, which was a favourite of drift enthusiasts.

Heritage counts for plenty in the sports car world - Porsche's 911 is the most iconic, even leading to a buyer uprising when word spread of plans in the 1980s to shelve the rear-engine coupe and replace it with a more conventional front-engine V8 - but all-new models can also squeeze their way into a market segment that's more about image and branding than outright sales. The Audi TT is one example.

Toyota is trying to shake off its reputation for building dull but dependable cars and the 86 is a key part of the company's push to have cars that are ''fun to drive''.

Toyota adopted the catchphrase ''Fun to drive'' in the 1980s but discontinuing sports cars such as the Supra, Celica and MR2 has taken lustre off the brand in recent years. Under president and car enthusiast, Akio Toyoda, the company is looking to return to its sports car roots.

''Personally, I love the smell of gasoline and the sound of an engine, so I hope that this type of vehicle never disappears,'' he told the media at the Tokyo Motor Show this week.

''I hope that motor vehicles will continue to provide dreams and inspiration to people for all eras. I believe that if it is not fun, it is not a car.

''I truly believe that no matter how advanced cars become, it is important to retain this feeling.''

Tada said Toyoda was keen to have a Supra replacement if the numbers added up.

My guess is this project will largely depends on the success of the 86/FRS.

twitchyzero

12-04-2011, 12:05 PM

86 is considered mid-sized?:heckno:
hard to see them make anything smaller unless they wanna go after honda's EV-STER or whatever

I would like to see an improved IS-F on a new IS chassis before they think about the Supra.

CorneringArtist

12-04-2011, 12:10 PM

If the FR-S does well, and if the Supra is a success, Toyota should revive the "sport" 4-door RWD sedan in the North American market under a Toyota/Scion nameplate, ie. reviving the Chaser. The IS is still available, but I'd rather have the Chaser.

Zulu

12-04-2011, 01:25 PM

$5 says the new supra comes with a diesel/electric option ;P

CorneringArtist

12-04-2011, 01:29 PM

$5 says the new supra comes with a diesel/electric option ;P

Wouldn't doubt a Supra hybrid.

Nlkko

12-04-2011, 09:47 PM

$5 says the new supra comes with a diesel/electric option ;P

Only $5?:rofl:

Actually it was rumored to be a hybrid at first. Correct name is FT-HS concept. Toyoda seems to love old school gasoline engine though. We'll see.

Graeme S

12-04-2011, 10:00 PM

No more pissing contests. You want to argue about power curves and superchargers, make your own damned thread.

Points and/or ban depending on how I feel.

hk20000

12-04-2011, 11:14 PM

http://youtu.be/_i6-qe9S29M

Kuroki Meisa official theme song for BRZ.....unfortunately it's crappy audio quality. Anyone found the HD nice one lemme know.

Nlkko

12-05-2011, 02:16 PM

The Masters Of AWD Nail RWD (http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/05/2013-subaru-brz-first-drive-review/)

A couple of years ago we passed the point at which there were no more truly bad cars. If someone asked us, "Which car should we definitely avoid," it was hard to give a categorical answer. Sure, there were cars we didn't (and still don't) like, but no matter how personally averse we might be to even some current cars, we can't name one that's objectively awful.

Naturally, then, if everything is decent then the only place to go is... better. That's how you get to a brand like Subaru deciding to make a sports car and using, as a guide, the Porsche Cayman. And we do mean literal guide. During testing, Subaru engineers took a white Cayman on their international travels. We don't blame them. When the brief is to build "a pure handling sports car," where better to start than with the company that practically wrote and constantly revises the bible of handling, Porsche?

As a brief for a company like Subaru to have – a company not known for sports cars and that hasn't sold a two-wheel-drive car in the U.S. since the last millennium, which were front-wheel-drive wagons – that's impressive enough. What's more impressive is that they actually did it.

Subaru head of Corporate Communications Michael McHale started off his presentation with these sound bites: "The type of engine and where it is, those are the two things about the car. Everything else comes from there... The engine is as low down and far back as it can possibly be," and "We didn't start by saying it had to be rear-wheel drive, we started by saying it had to have the engine in a certain place. Handling first, RWD second."

The result, as we know by now, is the BRZ – B is for Boxer, R is for Rear-wheel drive, Z is for Zenith, as in the best. The quest was to "get a new level of driving confidence," and that resulted in traditional sports car themes: low, with short overhangs, a compact engine and a low center of gravity. The CoG is lower than a Ferrari 458 Italia, and at 18.1 inches it's also lower than the Cayman, the Mazda Miata and RX-8, and the BMW M3.

Low weight was also a priority. Subaru said the target was 2,700 pounds, and according to the numbers we were given, they beat it by about half a sack of potatoes, coming in at 2,689. Although that's 100 pounds less than a Civic SI and 600 less than a Mustang, it's better to judge the BRZ against a more natural competitor: the BRZ is 10 hp and 73 lb-ft down on the Hyundai Genesis Coupe, but is about 600 pounds lighter.

The engine is an all-new design called the FA, with a perfectly square stroke of 86x86 and a variable-valve control system that Subaru calls AVCS, for active valve control system. The FA was developed for and only used in this car, "at least for the time being." On the required premium gas, Subaru's numbers are 200 horsepower and 150 pound-feet, with reps at a loss to explain why Toyota rates the same engine – that Subaru builds – at 197 horsepower. The FA is smaller than the Impreza's FB engine, achieved with items such as a shorter and lower intake manifold, a shallower bottom on the transmission, and revised, more compact lubrication system. Subaru then placed components in different places to get the engine further back in its bay, like making the intake manifold front-facing and placing the crankshaft 60 mm lower. The induction system was shorted to reduce overhangs, and the radiator was tilted 17 degrees to improve the center of gravity. Compared to the Impreza, the BRZ's engine is placed 120 mm lower and 240 mm further back.

And that's why there's no turbo, and no plans to include one – the engine occupies the space where Subaru would normally bolt one on. They moved so many things around, we don't know why they couldn't have been just as creative with some forced induction, but the company's traditional placement of the intercooler atop the engine simply wouldn't have worked. Subaru plans a longer life-cycle for the car, six to seven years instead of four to five, and it was strongly hinted that we would see a power bump during a mid-cycle refresh – but not a turbocharged bump. We were told as well, though, that this engine will be the base of Subaru's next-generation turbocharged engine.

The engine placement necessitated changes to the front suspension: the MacPherson struts needed to be revised in order to maintain the low profile of the aluminum hood and keep the desired stroke, and the A-arms are reversed, pointing forward. The mounting point has been strengthened by adding an aluminum box section. That aluminum hood saves 15 pounds over the Impreza hood, and of the 400 materials used for the body, there is more high-strength steel on this car than on an Impreza in order to keep weight where it's wanted.

The final numbers: overall height is 50.6 inches with a ground clearance of 4.9 inches, length is 167 inches and wheelbase 101.2 inches, the width is 69.9 inches with a track of 59.8 inches in front and 60.6 inches in the rear. Balance is estimated to be around 53 percent in front, 47 percent in the rear. The company doesn't have official numbers on gas mileage but predicts 30 on the highway.

It's a good looking car, its most poignant ornamentation being the two bulges over the front and rear wheels, its stretched (and non-functional) hood vent a nice touch. The lightweight aluminum wheels are about the only visual cue that strikes us as a little off, or rather, the 245/45 R 17 tires: They're so skinny. Other markets will be offered 16-inch wheels, but we'll only get the 17s. We were told that the BRZ can handle 18-inch, 45-aspect-ratio tires, and we won't be surprised to see them quickly bolted on. On the matter of bolt-ons, though, Subaru won't be offering much alteration to the car off the dealer floor, but we were informed that the STI division is already at work on a host of parts.

The rear wing is optional, part of a performance package that also expands the underfloor treatment. Yet another reversal on this car, the spoiler is only for aerodynamics, not to reduce lift. With the wing in place, the coefficient of drag is actually reduced by less than a point, to 0.27.

Subaru has plenty of experience making the most of black plastic, and the BRZ cabin doesn't let down, with various textures and minor bits of trim like metal-look finishing on the center console and (Legacy) door handles, and contrasting stitching on the shift boot and (Legacy) handbrake handle being enough to break things up. On top of that, the seats are excellent. Large bolsters hug the driver properly, and the canted, adjustable headrest doesn't jut into the back of your head. Specifically designed for this car, they save 2-3 kilos compared to the seats in the Impreza. Base spec will be cloth, which really means cloth bolsters with a "sporty fabric" on the facings, and leather and Alcantra, with leather being on the bolsters. Both of them are nice to behold. The BRZ is classified as a 2+2, and even the back seats are serviceable for passengers of decent height, due to the smaller, saddle-shaped fuel tank they sit atop – if you must, you can fit a front-facing child seat in the rear.

You can also lower the rear seatback, making more room for the 6.9-cubic-foot trunk. With the seats down the cargo bay will hold two standard golf bags, and with the front passenger seat down as well the BRZ can hold a set of racing tires, a helmet and basic tools. Another concession to racers: the instrument panel was designed so that a roll cage could be installed without having to cut through any metal.

We got short stints behind the wheel of both the six-speed manual and the automatic at Subaru's Test and Development Center in Tochigi prefecture, two loops on the high-speed oval (limited to the middle lane) and a couple of blasts around the handling course. The handling course, as one might expect, is tight, and so not really made to show off the BRZ, which we were told was designed for high-speed corners. There was also a short section with two different surfaces imitating American roads, one a typical highway and one a California highway.

We bemoan the lack of manuals in high-end sports cars, but this price segment is wonderfully thick with them and many are delightfully good. The BRZ is no exception. The transmission is from Aisin (the automatic, too), but 80 percent of its components were swapped to enhance feel and quicken shifts, and it was given triple-cone syncros on gears 1 and 3. It has shorter spacing and quicker throws, and runs through its six speeds smartly. Another nod to manual operation is that the pedal rake is different for either transmission, and the pedal throw is shorter on the manual to make heeling-and-toeing easier.

We pulled out onto the oval and worked up to speed. Two hundred horsepower is enough for the sub-2,700-pound coupe, with the urgent-enough grunt, plentiful road feedback and engine noises making it feel like things were happening, but we wouldn't complain about more, a fact which shouldn't surprise you (the BRZ GT's 300 hp, anyone?). We aren't alone: One of the engineers, when asked what how he might alter the coupe, said "For the handling there's nothing to do, but yes, maybe a little more power."

The MT BRZ also sounds like a sports car – it's what the English would call "rorty," with an engine note that fills the cabin whenever you call for action, getting a little help from the sound amplifier. When you get into the meat of the power band beyond 3,000 rpm, the boxer four is asking for attention, at 4,500 rpm it's intense, at 5,500 rpm it's telling you "We gotta make something happen here," and at 7,000 it's a 12-banshee wail. With one hand on the shift knob and the accompanying acoustics, you'll never wonder what gear you're in. Even so, it is mild when you're not pushing it, whether that's puttering around a parking lot or cruising at 90.

In spite of what McHale said were the two handles for getting a grip on the car – "What kind of engine and where it is" – we think the BRZ only needs this one, another McHale statement: "It's about handling." No, make that three: handling, handling, handling. Engine compactness and placement might be how they got to it, but what the BRZ meant to us was the way it dealt with the road.

The stiffness of the BRZ's body and low center of gravity allow the suspension to focus on dealing effectively with the tarmac while also not killing the ride quality. Side benefits of that stiff body, and the help it gives to the suspension, are in details like the tires, which don't need ultra-stiff sidewalls to fight cornering forces. That helps general comfort, too.

There is but a tiny amount of body roll when making quick lane changes at 70 mph, and when in the middle lane of the banked corner at 100 we felt the entire coupe settle – thanks to centrifugal force – but there was no sensation of the passenger's side taking a dive. More telling was lapping the oval in the bottom, flat lane, where we could do 100 miles an hour just as easily as on the bank. The electronic power steering is sorted, with a dash of give so you're not constantly tweaking the wheel but also not sloppy in the least; without the assistance of the banking the steering never called attention to itself. Once we had the wheel set for the radius, there was no concern about getting around at triple-digit speeds – just a hint of the suspension compressing with such little fuss that we were certain we could have gone faster.

Brake dive has also been minimized – in fact, there's practically none. The double-wishbone rear suspension uses the same components as the Impreza WRX STI, but with different geometry and detailing: pillow-ball joints replace rubber bushings on the wishbone arms (the WRX STI has pillow-ball joints on the front, not the rear, while the BRZ doesn't have them up front), hard rubber bushings are used on the trailing arm to keep the rear down, and a special valving was developed for the dampers to provide a suitable compromise between highway hop (over frequent expansion joints as on California highways), roll, maneuverability and stability. Of note, we were told that the Toyota/Scion version has softer suspension settings up front, harder settings in the rear.

The handling course had a top speed of 30 mph through the corners and 45 mph on the straights, which we're not sure if we should admit we broke, but... we did. The BRZ acquitted itself well, the zero-dive braking and turning letting one focus on timing and getting the wheels placed where we wished and keeping them there, which made it easier to get out of the corner – because with "just" 200 hp to play with, every bit of momentum you can maintain is precious gold. The eminently grippable steering wheel is the smallest Subaru makes, at 14.4 inches it's ¾-inch smaller than the next size up, and its 13:1 ratio doesn't demand much sawing to get through hairpins. Pushed as much as we could (noting the Subaru engineers posted at every corner), even with VDC off we were getting to the point of admitting "Now we're just getting crazy" before the front or back end stepped out of line. And yes, you can turn VDC completely off.

In keeping with being told that the car is meant for high-speed cornering, however, the brakes might also see some upgrades before long. They're two-piston up front, single-piston in the rear, and they get a workout even with the car's light weight. Go for broke on a turny, tight course and it won't take long to fill the air with the tangy perfume of hot discs and pads.

The only odd note here was the speedometer. It is placed to the left of the center-position tachometer, with zero at the bottom, and the needle swings clockwise. It has so many hashmarks and numbers that it took too much effort to read, so, à la any Aston Martin, we only looked at the digital speedo inside the tachometer.

Because the BRZ is about handling and does that job so well, we knew we'd be happy in the automatic-equipped version as long as it shifted properly. And ye gods, it did. The Aisin unit is a conventional autobox, reworked by 20 percent to improve its clutches, shift times, gear-holding response and even alterations to its mapping if you're driving uphill or downhill. In both normal and sport modes, it will be happy to stay in the fat of the power band, it will hold gears during cornering and rev-match on the way down. It doesn't always allow downshift multiple gears at once, but there are times when you can hop down two gears instantly depending on engine and car speed.

It has paddle shifters and a manual mode, and if you don't shift at all it will automatically upshift when you're in the overrev. Otherwise, in Sport it will upshift at about 5,500, and you get quicker shifting. The in-cabin sound amplification is set up differently on the automatic, so the cabin is quieter than in the manual. You don't notice it down low or when cruising, but push it some and it's noticeably less raucous inside. It is quick to work the gears when we wanted more juice on the oval, and it did a good job when we left it to shift on the handling course. We probably could get another 15 percent out of it during the artificially limited running, but we suffered no "Hey tranny, what are you doing?" moments. It never let the coupe down, and the package worked well enough that, taking into account its quieter cabin, we can fully admit that the auto will make perfect sense even for people who want a part-time sports car.

To you in Southern California, though, if Subaru's concrete samples were accurate, then you will find that those nasty, grooved highways like the 10 and 405 are not kind when it comes to cabin noise.

When the BRZ goes on sale next March it will come standard with navigation, the 6.1-inch display, 196-watt AM/FM/single CD stereo, iPod and USB connections and Bluetooth, and heated mirrors. Options will be few, namely convenience items like the leather and Alcantara buckets, heated seats, dual-zone climate control and keyless access.

Subaru doesn't expect high volumes for the car, just 5,000 to 7,000 per year. The Cayman comparisons aren't out of place, nor is the suggestion – again made by McHale – that Subaru built a car that feels like a sports car from 20 or 30 years ago. True, it isn't a Cayman, but it will cost easily 20 grand less than a Cayman* and yet provides easily more than seven-tenths of the Cayman's pure cornering ability, and that's probably closer to eight-tenths, but we won't know until we get more time with the car. And it does bring back happy days of yore passed on Midwestern back roads in '80s Celica Supras and Preludes and first-gen Miatas. Those were good times, and so is the BRZ.

The asterisk is because we still don't know pricing, which we were told should come sometime around next February's Chicago Auto Show, and we think price will play an exceptionally heavy role in this car's fate. We heard every number from $22,000 to "somewhere around the WRX," which is $25,595, to $28,000. Of the broad competitive set Subaru listed, a 210-hp Genesis 2.0T Coupe starts at $22,250, a 300-hp V6 Mustang is $23,105, the Mazda Miata is $23,190 and the RX-8 is $26,795.

There is no doubt about whether the car does what it was built to do – it handles terrifically, it sounds great especially if you're a fan of high-revving fours, it's a solid shifter with either transmission and a pleasant cabin. Yet Subaru hasn't played in this space before and they're expecting this to be a conquest vehicle. We think in order to give it the attention it deserves it needs to have a price that makes it impossible to ignore, at least for a test drive and serious think. Having not driven its biggest competitor and close twin yet, the Scion FR-S, we'll say for now that if Subaru can put a good sticker on the BRZ's window, then – as the engineer suggested to us – it needs nothing else.

Except maybe a little more power, because we're greedy like that.

sonick

12-05-2011, 02:28 PM

As a guy who's dream-car list as a kid included the Mazda Miata and the Datsun 240Z, I must say this car sounds better and better as these first-drive reviews start trickling in.

I am very, very excited for this car.

Pleasantly surprised to hear the comments on the powerband as well.

BaoTurbo

12-05-2011, 05:48 PM

So much want.

muteki

12-05-2011, 06:41 PM

http://youtu.be/_i6-qe9S29M

Kuroki Meisa official theme song for BRZ.....unfortunately it's crappy audio quality. Anyone found the HD nice one lemme know.

No streams of Breeze Out due to Sony Music copyright claims.
Download link if you want: MK - BO(720x480 SSTV).rar (http://www.mediafire.com/?01ig7d5k95187zd)

insomniac

12-05-2011, 10:43 PM

why post picture? because racecar

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvrtg6hnS91qaeqfno1_500.jpg

death_blossom

12-06-2011, 10:06 AM

^
you brought up a good point of seeing what this chasis is capable of, in the Super GT series. perhaps they'll wind up the stock engine to around 300hp in naturally aspirated form?

StylinRed

12-06-2011, 11:33 AM

http://youtu.be/_i6-qe9S29M

Kuroki Meisa official theme song for BRZ.....unfortunately it's crappy audio quality. Anyone found the HD nice one lemme know.

for those that dont wanna download

No streams of Breeze Out due to Sony Music copyright claims.
Download link if you want: MK - BO(720x480 SSTV).rar (http://www.mediafire.com/?01ig7d5k95187zd)

www.dailymotion.com/video/k51jRrw84J3zjZ2ArGM

edit hmmm dailymotion doesnt embed? :crazy2: thought it did

Sendai-shi

12-06-2011, 02:31 PM

Super GT cars do not share chassis with their road versions - they are lookalikes only.

^
you brought up a good point of seeing what this chasis is capable of, in the Super GT series. perhaps they'll wind up the stock engine to around 300hp in naturally aspirated form?

badgerx3

12-06-2011, 04:52 PM

U like?

Subaru BRZ GT300 Race Car - Tokyo Motor Show 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=174l6gEJrrw)

here is the longer version SUBARU BRZ GT300 - YouTube :megusta:

death_blossom

12-06-2011, 05:02 PM

Super GT cars do not share chassis with their road versions - they are lookalikes only.

even in the GT300 class? I always thought they all started with the original chassis as a base. I learned something today :p

badgerx3

12-10-2011, 02:46 AM

2013 Scion FR-S Track Test - YouTube

SpuGen

12-10-2011, 06:29 AM

Scion FR-S Drift in Japan with Ken Gushi - YouTube

BoySupra604

12-11-2011, 10:06 PM

Looks like a few pics of one lowered was posted on clublexus. Looks hot if you ask me and this car is tiny compared to the ae86 beside it.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7015/6488426599_613247c9b7_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6488425487_4b7c6031ca_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7001/6488424851_95e8fc1509_b.jpg
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3522&d=1323587423
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7018/6488425051_455ec19fc1_b.jpg

cctw

12-11-2011, 10:10 PM

^meh definitely needs a spoiler or at minimal a lip spoiler on the rear to make it look better

twitchyzero

12-11-2011, 10:15 PM

http://img2.moonbuggy.org/imgstore/too-much-want.jpg

only thing that could use an aesthetics improvement there is probably just complete red led taillights..and agreed maybe a lip spoiler
but as it stands...it resembles its LFA brother...but only at may be 5% of the cost

Nlkko

12-12-2011, 10:23 AM

^meh definitely needs a spoiler or at minimal a lip spoiler on the rear to make it look better

No thank you, car looks clean as is. Save me money from doing a wing delete.

Spoliers... spoilers everywhere... big ass spoilers even on FWD.

Enraged

12-12-2011, 10:58 AM

that looks fantastic in black.

SpuGen

12-12-2011, 06:00 PM

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/375193_288537374517039_185851534785624_748175_1233 379893_n.jpg

HNNNNNNNGHHHHH

BaoTurbo

12-12-2011, 06:48 PM

^
:sweetjesus::jerkit: (in white. just imo lol)

Over9K

12-13-2011, 12:33 AM

^^ Total rice...

SpuGen

12-15-2011, 12:35 AM

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/384842_180086258754232_121326461296879_333904_2137 709125_n.jpg

Culverin

12-15-2011, 01:17 AM

^^ Total rice...

Rice, but not tacky.
I think this just might be my gateway sports car.
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Nlkko

12-17-2011, 04:24 PM

TRD 86 :fullofwin:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3581&d=1324164027

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3583&d=1324164027

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3582&d=1324164027

TypeRNammer

12-17-2011, 06:41 PM

TRD model looks good!
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oinkoinkpig

12-17-2011, 07:13 PM

The concept model rear lights look better IMO

Over9K

12-20-2011, 12:18 AM

All that work gone in the engine only to be eventually swapped out for an LS1.

Zulu

12-20-2011, 01:54 AM

All that work gone in the engine only to be eventually swapped out for an LS1.

lol

badgerx3

12-20-2011, 05:32 PM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3619&d=1324399950
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3621&d=1324399950
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3618&d=1324399950

more images here!: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2972

Gridlock

12-20-2011, 06:02 PM

Did I miss it, or have they discussed pricing on these?

.Renn.Sport

12-20-2011, 06:34 PM

http://www.gtpla.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/6507730359_c5a2964d8a_z-638x358.jpg

the 86 is now available for free with the latest GT5 update!

Nlkko

12-20-2011, 07:26 PM

Did I miss it, or have they discussed pricing on these?

Approximately 25k.

BaoTurbo

12-20-2011, 09:40 PM

I will now go with the BRZ depending on the price ranges on both these cars

baldie

12-21-2011, 10:12 AM

Kinda looks like the Genesis

gwh0803

12-22-2011, 03:55 PM

will go for scion/toyota

NashMan

01-03-2012, 08:51 PM

hummmm

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/12/2011/12/59dfebd2644da412797bba31dc7d7934/original.jpg

Over9K

01-04-2012, 01:22 PM

At least it has a dipstick.

shenmecar

01-04-2012, 04:41 PM

oil changes will be a bliss. im sold.

Nlkko

01-09-2012, 06:24 PM

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-uqDOAQmJP7s/TwteAOL6XYI/AAAAAAAGVlQ/c-Qbfb_nSG8/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-1%25255B2%25255D.jpg

Scion Racing Debuts FR-S Race Car (http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases/scin+racing+debuts+fr-s+race+car.htm)

• FR-S race car will compete in 2012 Formula DRIFT series
• 'First 86' program offers chance to be among the first to own the FR-S
• FR-S will offer brand new connected audio system called BeSpoke

Scion today unveiled its Scion Racing/GReddy FR-S race car during a press conference at the 2012 North American International Auto Show. The FR-S will be competing in the 2012 Formula DRIFT series with veteran driver Ken Gushi behind the wheel.

The 600-horsepower FR-S race car is the result of a collaboration between Scion Racing and GReddy, a performance-products company that has been involved with Toyota and racing for over twenty years.

The race car is inspired by the 2013 Scion FR-S, a compact rear-wheel-drive sports car that will go on sale in the spring of 2012. The high-performance coupe is the fifth model to join the Scion family.

"First 86" Program
In response to a large volume of FR-S hand-raisers, Scion also announced that it will launch a special program called "First 86." The program will give 86 lucky people the opportunity to be among the first to own the Scion FR-S. The selected 86 owners will take delivery of their car before it goes on-sale to the general public. Starting Jan. 12 at Noon EST, FR-S enthusiasts will have 8 hours and 6 minutes to submit their request at Introducing The All New Scion FR-S | SCIONFIRST86.COM (http://www.ScionFirst86.com).

BeSpoke Infotainment Audio System
Scion also announced that its 2013 FR-S will be the first car to offer a connected infotainment audio system called BeSpoke, powered by Pioneer's Zypr™. Scion's BeSpoke aims to offer a higher level of connectivity with features that drivers have been asking for such as access to a wide variety of personalized content and services.

"Beginning last year, all Scion models come standard with Bluetooth® Hands-Free and HD Radio™ Technology," said Jack Hollis, Vice President Scion. "Scion's new BeSpoke system will take in-car technology to the next level, offering owners the ability to be more connected."

2013 Scion FR-S
The FR-S – which stands for Front-engine, Rear-wheel drive, Sport – is Scion's definition of an authentic rear-wheel-drive sports car with exceptionally balanced performance and handling, compelling style, flexible utility and surprising MPG.

"Serving as a laboratory for Toyota, Scion is always experimenting with new things," Hollis said. "The brand is iconic with the xB, adrenalized by the tC, and groundbreaking with the iQ. The FR-S will no doubt serve as the halo car, expanding Scion into a new dimension of driving performance."

Inspired by the AE86 Toyota Corolla, the FR-S is designed around the core goal of achieving "Pure Balance," which begins with the strategic use of the world's only flat boxer engine in a front-engine, rear-wheel drive configuration. The engine's compact size and flat shape allow it to be mounted mid-ship and extremely low, giving the car a dynamically favorable front-to-rear weight ratio of 53:47, and a low center of gravity comparable to some exotic supercars.

The FR-S's 2.0-liter, naturally aspirated four-cylinder engine is the result of a joint development between Toyota and Subaru. The partnership begins by combining Subaru's newly developed horizontally opposed engine and Toyota's cutting-edge D-4S injection system, which incorporates both direct and port injection. The D-4S system, partnered with a high 12.5:1 compression ratio, results in an impressive 200 horsepower and 151 pound-feet of torque.

The flat-four mates with either a six-speed manual or a six-speed automatic transmission. The manual offers quick, precise shifts with a short-throw; while the automatic transmission features aggressive up shifts and sporty rev-matched down shifts that are initiated by steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters. Power is transferred to the pavement via a limited-slip differential.

The idea of "Pure Balance" is further realized by the FR-S's lightweight design and compact size. The combination allows the car to be quick and nimble into and out of corners, with dynamic maneuverability and confident handling. The coupe's weight is kept to a minimum by utilizing an aluminum hood, a solid roof, and by featuring a trunk design instead of a hatchback.

The FR-S's interior features a 2+2 seating configuration that is designed with both form and function in mind. The front seats are mounted extremely low and are comfortable yet assertive, while the rear seat folds down flat, creating flexible space. The large center-mounted tachometer is the focus of the three-gauge cluster, keeping the driver informed of the engine's vitals. Speed is monitored by both digital and analog gauges.

And... because race car:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-7VT6z74KwW4/Twtd5mZyYjI/AAAAAAAGVkA/voZTND_e-TQ/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-12%25255B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-IX3RsD2lOOo/Twtd68CwfSI/AAAAAAAGVkQ/ohEENO-wNgI/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-13%25255B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/-l6oUimNKP7o/Twtd8cVcXDI/AAAAAAAGVkg/MdqdH4rq82c/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-14%25255B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-bMlb1MPZr-I/Twtd9iNxI6I/AAAAAAAGVkw/4pKHctGLPj4/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-10%25255B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-jQMYORuTzwY/Twtd-0gJqBI/AAAAAAAGVlA/tCViULdWRhQ/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-11%25255B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-seqPvh_lWqY/TwteBG0zKKI/AAAAAAAGVlg/CkxUzmY8Eyk/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-2%25255B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/-7QBvwKenhgo/TwteCanqMKI/AAAAAAAGVlw/4Vy8FzT85NY/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-3%25255B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-AffnxdVnwxY/TwteDh-awCI/AAAAAAAGVmA/MWTahC18Fnc/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-4%25255B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/-e6tKPjLe5Ts/TwteGnYXirI/AAAAAAAGVmQ/JGmiSonHTe4/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-5%25255B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-HvOL0Rygh9o/TwteHpdinSI/AAAAAAAGVmg/t9g-tGADZAE/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-6%25255B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/-sgO1DWGYM08/TwteKE0pAzI/AAAAAAAGVmw/NUorX9Tqtz8/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-7%25255B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-3E3fVl1F2_0/TwteLNmAhXI/AAAAAAAGVnA/VKVluMFe9uQ/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-8%25255B2%25255D.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/-crqUEjBEvIM/TwteMRQAivI/AAAAAAAGVnQ/ye6rN845xWQ/s1600/Scion-FR-S-Grredy-9%25255B2%25255D.jpg

twitchyzero

01-09-2012, 07:41 PM

DAT DIGITAL TACH

if i'm not mistaken i thought greddy went out of business years ago?

4doorVIP

01-09-2012, 08:36 PM

I thought GReddyUSA went bankrupt but not TRUST/GReddyJapan - same with HKS

shenmecar

01-13-2012, 08:29 AM

coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

86 TRD Performance Line | TRD (http://www.trdparts.jp/english/2012_conceptcar/86performanceline.html)

Nlkko

01-13-2012, 11:28 AM

^Also BRZ Black edition: (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/01/subaru-brz-black-edition-by-prova-2012-tokyo-auto-salon.html)

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/489462-2/_MG_1590.JPG

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/489510-2/_MG_1599.JPG

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/489526-2/_MG_1601.JPG

TRD 86

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GXaG0iA2Hto/TxA8bZqghMI/AAAAAAAGbLo/ARWczgU5BoI/s1600/TRD-Toyota-86-7.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QojfcT-vV40/TxA8aCO0kSI/AAAAAAAGbK0/ht85piOktiI/s1600/TRD-Toyota-86-3.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-l36oJo9KQus/TxA8bPYAkTI/AAAAAAAGbLY/fREa3NB6_Fc/s1600/TRD-Toyota-86-6.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9TM8Q2ri75I/TxA8ZMeRW7I/AAAAAAAGbKY/8aCstuNTJww/s1600/TRD-Toyota-86-1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XBNYw4CKNuk/TxA8ZPBv5fI/AAAAAAAGbKo/PAA4GKbCAtk/s1600/TRD-Toyota-86-2.jpg

And Modelista FRS (Modelista of Toyota is equivalent to Novitec of Ferrari)

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/489664-2/_MG_1492.JPG

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/489712-2/_MG_1499.JPG

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/489720-2/_MG_1500.JPG

TjAlmeida

01-28-2012, 04:49 AM

Trd 86>black brz

NashMan

01-28-2012, 04:05 PM

^Also BRZ Black edition: (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/01/subaru-brz-black-edition-by-prova-2012-tokyo-auto-salon.html)

And Modelista FRS (Modelista of Toyota is equivalent to Novitec of Ferrari)

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/489664-2/_MG_1492.JPG

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/489712-2/_MG_1499.JPG

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/489720-2/_MG_1500.JPG

And Modelista FRS best looking one so far still hate the rear tail lights

EmperorIS

01-28-2012, 11:39 PM

are steering wheel controls that distracting that they have to not include it

toyota86

01-29-2012, 08:16 AM

^loving the fact that it does NOT have steering wheel controls.

Kaolinite

02-02-2012, 09:09 PM

Toyota held a media event yesterday for the new 86 at Makuhari Messe and the festivities included a tandem drift demonstration by Nobuteru Taniguchi and Manabu Orido.

New86 Twin Drift

jing

02-02-2012, 11:15 PM

Rather see NOB in this:

http://ra64freddy.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/nob_aristo035.jpg?w=800

hk20000

02-03-2012, 08:38 AM

no steering control = Toyota/TRD can make different sized wheel rim that incorporate factory airbag for you to swap around.

StylinRed

02-03-2012, 09:52 AM

is the modellista a kit for sale? or a special edition car for sale?

BaoTurbo

02-03-2012, 10:12 AM

Toyota held a media event yesterday for the new 86 at Makuhari Messe and the festivities included a tandem drift demonstration by Nobuteru Taniguchi and Manabu Orido.

New86 Twin Drift (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAHFQnyX0C0&feature=player_embedded)

Wheel alignment looks really wide like the G35

Nlkko

02-03-2012, 10:39 AM

is the modellista a kit for sale? or a special edition car for sale?

Same concept with Celica's Tsunami.

Datsun

02-06-2012, 03:59 PM

BRZ accessory catalog is out:

Subaru BRZ STI Accessories JDM Brochure Released - Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 GT 86 Forum | AS1 Forum - FT86CLUB (http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3609)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4591&d=1328572421

Tofu delivery package in that link too:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4584&d=1328572368

CorneringArtist

02-06-2012, 04:32 PM

Did someone say tofu delivery?
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/430672_10150678558840809_125281815808_11225860_454 644833_n.jpg

badgerx3

02-06-2012, 11:25 PM

that is a pretty cool looking baby seat

monkeywrench

02-07-2012, 05:47 AM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4589&d=1328572368

Lol that battery clamp looks just like the tower bar

NashMan

02-07-2012, 02:32 PM

lol both companies have the same mods pretty much but toyota has the upper hand with there trd door catches thou

slap's head

vyrospec

02-08-2012, 11:42 AM

The Toyota FT-86, GT-86, Scion FRS - Chris Harris On Cars - YouTube

:sweetjesus:

Sky_High

02-27-2012, 09:31 AM

2013 Scion FR-S Price Set at $27,500 – in Canada | AutoGuide.com News (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/02/2013-scion-fr-s-price-set-at-27500-in-canada.html)

$27,500??? :fuckthatshit:

Glove

02-27-2012, 10:07 AM

30 grand,

200hp

Z3guy

02-27-2012, 10:40 AM

^ if that is all you consider, this car isnt for you.

RWD + Toyota build quality = a very fun base car to mod!

BaoTurbo

02-27-2012, 12:56 PM

2.0T Base Hyundai Genesis is $25,000. Was $20,000 when it first came out too. Compared to the FRS in size and such, I would have thought the proce would be similarily close or somewhat

godwin

02-27-2012, 01:25 PM

Not to mention current exchange rate is hurting Japanese manufactured goods right now.

2.0T Base Hyundai Genesis is $25,000. Was $20,000 when it first came out too. Compared to the FRS in size and such, I would have thought the proce would be similarily close or somewhat

Phat_R

02-27-2012, 02:03 PM

2013 Scion FR-S Price Set at $27,500 – in Canada | AutoGuide.com News (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/02/2013-scion-fr-s-price-set-at-27500-in-canada.html)

$27,500??? :fuckthatshit:

The Acura Integra Type R was 31K with 200hp in 1999

27,500 is a good price

toyota86

02-27-2012, 06:15 PM

corolla-gts in 85 was roughly $12,000. thats roughly $23,500 today. damn i was really hoping it would be 25k tax in out the door.

hongy

02-27-2012, 06:18 PM

The Acura Integra Type R was 31K with 200hp in 1999

27,500 is a good price

However acura is their luxury marquee in north America so it makes sense for the rsx to have a higher price. With that said I don't think the price is that bad. Have they shown what's going to be standard equipment? Or avaliable packages.
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RabidRat

02-27-2012, 07:32 PM

2013 Scion FR-S Price Set at $27,500 – in Canada | AutoGuide.com News (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/02/2013-scion-fr-s-price-set-at-27500-in-canada.html)

$27,500??? :fuckthatshit:

Really?

Honda Civic Si: $26,000
VW GTI: $29,500
Hyundai Genesis Coupe: $25,000 (but $31,000 to get the LSD)

I dunno, the pricing seems fair considering what else is in the segment.

twitchyzero

02-27-2012, 07:36 PM

However acura is their luxury marquee in north America so it makes sense for the rsx to have a higher price. With that said I don't think the price is that bad. Have they shown what's going to be standard equipment? Or avaliable packages.
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$31k for ITR is actually not bad...honda claimed they were selling them at a loss...dont know if that's actually true for north american market or only in japan.

but I remember the RSX Type S went for around 32K ish as well? now that was overpriced...yet they still populate the streets of vancouver.

$27k for the fr-s sounds very reasonable to me

BaoTurbo

02-27-2012, 07:37 PM

Price seems fair but it could have been cheaper. I'm sure there's still some room since the genesis is around $25,000. Don't forget this is the first Toyota RWD in years, I'm sure they should have at least priced it stable and fairly cheap lower than the average sports car market because they are just coming back in. Besides, the Scion car line and popularity is not very welcomed, at least not locally considering they are FWD 4 cycl sports looking cars.

I just....thought...it could be cheaper. Does this mean Subaru is going to price it higher than Scion though?

RabidRat

02-27-2012, 07:53 PM

!Aznboi128

02-27-2012, 07:59 PM

but the itr and rsx-s are both "top of the line" models 27k is to start, wonder how much the high end version is going to be ....

CorneringArtist

02-27-2012, 08:07 PM

I wonder if they're going to offer the stripped out version here.

Didn't they release pics of a model with steelies, unpainted trim pieces, and barebones interior? That could probably go for $25,000.

They did, but who knows if that would fly with consumers here knowing they're driving an "incomplete" car. It would work for people like us who actually intend to modify the car, but for Joe Schmoe who's trying to save money by buying it stripped down just so they can have one might not be too pleased about it.

TjAlmeida

02-29-2012, 05:16 PM

It says on the website that price is still unofficial

The car resembles a small sport compact car that is light weight, rear wheel drive, plenty of hatch space, and can drift and autocross out of the box quite well it seems.

No point in hating on the price of a car that is not even out yet to test drive, never mind compare to other vehicles in its class just based on youtube clips.

death_blossom

03-02-2012, 12:24 AM

30 grand,

200hp

what other RWD sporty car has more than 200hp for less than 30g? Genesis Coupe is the only one I can think of.

Nightwalker

03-02-2012, 12:50 AM

what other RWD sporty car has more than 200hp for less than 30g? Genesis Coupe is the only one I can think of.

Ford Mustang. 305hp V6

Over9K

03-02-2012, 01:21 AM

Not to mention the Stang will be a lot more fun to drive and be cheaper to maintain.

swfk

03-02-2012, 07:56 AM

I'm doubting that they'll release the stripped out version in North America. I read somewhere that quite a high % of car owners in Japan attend track days or some sort of motorsport event like gymkhana. It's just like the Evo RS or the stripped EK9 etc that came with steelies and such

mos_skeeto

03-02-2012, 09:45 AM

Not to mention the Stang will be a lot more fun to drive and be cheaper to maintain.

Fun to drive because of HP or handling?

RabidRat

03-02-2012, 10:34 AM

Not to mention the Stang will be a lot more fun to drive

Yeah I doubt that.. this is the V6 you're talking about. At 3450 lbs, seats that belong on a bus, and suspension like a camry, I don't think it'd be much in the way of fun.

I don't see how it'd be any cheaper to maintain either.

godwin

03-02-2012, 11:21 AM

I wonder if this applies to Canadian buyers? (I doubt it)

First 86 Scion FR-S Buyers Get The Royal Treatment (http://jalopnik.com/5890002/first-86-scion-fr+s-buyers-get-the-royal-treatment)

First 86 Scion FR-S Buyers Get The Royal Treatment
The first 86 Scion FR-S buyers are getting all sorts of special perks, as we were first to report. We just didn't know what the perks were until now. If you're not one of the first 86 buyers you may not want to keep reading.
In addition to being able to boast about being one of the first Scion FR-S owners in America, which is already cool even if you were just lucky, there's an all-expenses-paid trip to Long Beach, California for you and a guest this April.

Why would you want to go to Long Beach in April? Why, for Formula Drift of course. All owners (and their guests) will get front-row seats for the show. There's also a tour of the Toyota Motor Sports National HQ and the Toyota Automobile Museum.

Frankly, we wish more automakers would do this. Scion has no enthusiast history in this country, but Toyota does and they're smartly building on that foundation.

There's also dinner with Scion VP Jack Hollis where you'll be able to ask him any question you want. Any in the world. Like what he puts in his hair. He must use a lot of product. How else does he get it to stand up straight like an anime character?

Ok, so it doesn't technically say that in the invitation. But he's always answered our questions in the past. You should ask. Just don't blame us if you end up with a purple automatic FR-S. That's on you.

Over9K

03-02-2012, 11:49 AM

Yeah I doubt that.. this is the V6 you're talking about. At 3450 lbs, seats that belong on a bus, and suspension like a camry, I don't think it'd be much in the way of fun.

I don't see how it'd be any cheaper to maintain either.

The Mustang has a much bigger aftermarket support, and domestics are always cheaper to maintain.

The 4.6 makes the same amount of power as the new V6...hella fun to drive.

TjAlmeida

03-02-2012, 12:16 PM

The Mustang has a much bigger aftermarket support, and domestics are always cheaper to maintain.

The 4.6 makes the same amount of power as the new V6...hella fun to drive.
I bet they would be close to each other in a straight line stock just because of the weight difference. And the frs would probably take it in the corners. and it won't take long at all for there to be lots of aftermarket parts for the frs.

just my thoughts but if I had a choice I would take a Japanese car over an American car.
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RabidRat

03-02-2012, 02:25 PM

The Mustang has a much bigger aftermarket support, and domestics are always cheaper to maintain.

Right, yes I know that's the conventional wisdom but seriously how is it going to be cheaper for maintenance?

In the last three years I've had my s2k the only maintenance items have been engine oil / filter every 5k, transmission fluid and diff fluid once a year, brake pads, brake fluid, and rotors every 18 months, one set of tires, a valve adjustment after 2 years, and the cabin air filter when I feel like it. Now compared to my old Mazda3, all of these maintenance items cost the same, maybe a couple bucks more in some cases (we're talking like $25 more for a set of brake pads). And I bet you it would've cost the same on a Mustang, or an FR-S.

Imo what people really mean by "domestics are cheaper to maintain" is that when shit breaks, parts come cheaper. But you're talking about the new V6 Mustang, and the FR-S is released this year, so both of them are going to have powertrain warranties for the next 5 years and bumper-to-bumper for the next 3. So purely on the basis of literally "maintenance", again I really don't see how the Mustang would be any cheaper. This would be a whole other story if the FR-S was some euro car that needed special tools for everything.

The 4.6 makes the same amount of power as the new V6...hella fun to drive.

I guess this is really subjective but the 4.6L V8 didn't feel all that quick when I drove one - probably it's the gearing and weight. And this new V6 makes 45 lb-ft less torque too so I can't imagine it being any better. And really the quickness is all it has going for it right? I mean seriously have you sat in a V6 mustang? I'm not kidding when I say the seats belong on a bus. And I suppose Camrys aren't SO bad in the twisties either..

68style

03-02-2012, 05:07 PM

RabidRat

03-02-2012, 06:28 PM

^
Honestly I see no point in comparing the 2 cars, they exist because there are markets for both of them I don't really see them as competitors........ but it does sound like you might be basing your opinions on an old Mustang you sat in years ago. The new ones handle well, the seats are not from a bus, and the current gen V6 is very powerful.... or should feel quick stepping out of an S2k just on a power below 5k basis (don't get me wrong, I love the S2k, but it's not a powerful car)

I still wouldn't buy one personally, but I just don't like the way the car feels... or the fact it is so heavy. I'm more excited about the FR-S/BR-Z............... but no way would I buy one new... Toyota always releases the best of their cars in the last years of production... one day! :D

This is all regarding Over9k's suggestion that a V6 Mustang would be "a lot more fun to drive" than an FR-S though. Sure there have been big improvements in handling over the outgoing model but it's still over 3400 lbs, and massive in comparison. Physics is physics. I mean you don't see Chris Harris raving about the driving experience of a V6 Mustang. A Boss 302 maybe, but the base V6??

Yes, the 4.6L V8 felt quick stepping out of my S2000, absolutely. But that wasn't going through my mind when I got to drive one. When you get into a Mustang GT, you're more inclined to recall the C63 you drove last year, or that 350z from a couple weeks ago, or your buddy's Trans Am. Point is, when I get in a Mustang I expect to be throw into the seat because that's what it's for, in the same way that you expect an S2000 to be slow but carve through a hairpin like you wouldn't believe. Had to be gearing because a stock STI with the same kind of power will put a grin on my face 10 times out of 10.

Anyway imo, the target market for V6 Mustangs is people who love the look and heritage of a Mustang but don't actually need the power and handling of the GT. That's fine. But you aren't going to find these people at the track or at an autocross that's for sure. I maintain that it's ridiculous to be suggesting that it'd be "a lot more fun to drive" than an FR-S.. seriously if that ends up being true, the FR-S is going to be a pretty massive failure.

Over9K

03-05-2012, 07:42 PM

Not many people take their cars to the track, I doubt more than 10% FRS/BRZ sold are going to be taken to the track.

Most people just have fun on the streets (not that I condone street racing), hence why I say the pony will be much more fun to most people.

Death2Theft

03-05-2012, 08:11 PM

Yet you throw a base gt v8 model in there and it is slower than the m3 by 1-2 seconds per lap? Hmmm
Yeah I doubt that.. this is the V6 you're talking about. At 3450 lbs, seats that belong on a bus, and suspension like a camry, I don't think it'd be much in the way of fun.

I don't see how it'd be any cheaper to maintain either.

RabidRat

03-05-2012, 10:03 PM

Okay I don't want to be banned like taylor :lol. So yeah sorry, the V6 Mustang is absolutely way more fun to drive than an FR-S. The MX-5 starts at $29,000 and it makes only 167hp so that's clearly a zero on the fun meter.

Edit: Actually in all seriousness I just checked ford.ca, these V6 Mustangs are $21,000. That's actually really crazy. Corolla money for 305hp lol.

Teknique

03-06-2012, 07:26 AM

falcon

03-06-2012, 08:33 AM

Email Subaru in Kelowna. They are known for their exceptional service. If you're willing to take the drive out there too, most of the time better prices as well.

death_blossom

03-09-2012, 09:27 PM

I sent an email to Richmond Subaru and Don Docksteader Subaru politely asking about some information about the availability of the Subaru BRZ. Neither of them replied :(

I wonder if car dealerships are based more on face-to-face interactions rather than newer forms of communication. Stuck in their ways perhaps?

that's cuz dealerships and the sales people that fill the showrooms are mostly more clueless about what's coming down the pipe line compared to an enthusiast. at best, they know just as much as we do.

Datsun

03-09-2012, 10:00 PM

ilvtofu

03-09-2012, 10:36 PM

Yet you throw a base gt v8 model in there and it is slower than the m3 by 1-2 seconds per lap? Hmmm

Lol on the M/T article the Pro driver barely beat the GT (less than half a second) but when the "not-so-pro" driver set times on both cars the GT actually beat the M3 by a good 1 or 2 seconds, surprising results IMO thinking that the GT would be a handful for a less experienced driver

The price on the BRZ is a little steep for those of us who would consider buying used, and FWIW I think the used car prices will be pretty high too for the first 2/3 years, there are just too many fun to drive used cars under 20k for me to even consider the BRZ for the time being.

BaoTurbo

03-11-2012, 12:31 AM

Yea but under 20k in today's market with someone like me, who has a criteria of a car having stock turbo, RWD, and modern interior is pretty hard to find

Death2Theft

03-11-2012, 10:40 AM

What the hell made you think stock turbo? :P

RabidRat

03-11-2012, 11:18 AM

What the hell made you think stock turbo? :P

Hahaha I was thinking that too, wth?

busdriverman

03-11-2012, 11:45 AM

it would be really hard for to decide between the frs/brz and a used s2000

Datsun

03-21-2012, 03:10 PM

twitchyzero

03-21-2012, 03:51 PM

lol people in that thread are complaining that's too high...americans have it too easy
that's on par with the Civic Si

death_blossom

03-21-2012, 07:29 PM

2013 Scion FR-S Priced at $24,200 - Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 GT 86 Forum | AS1 Forum - FT86CLUB (http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4328)

6253 6MT FA20 $24,200
6252 6AT FA20 $25,300

all in USD, I'm assuming.
but man, that pricing is fantastic news. that would place the CAD pricing around 28-29k?

68style

03-22-2012, 11:09 PM

Boourns on me.....

That's not too bad I think... not sure what you get, just says it on the annoucement email I received... I remember in 2000 when the Celica came out, I bought a GT for $23,850 incuding the $500 option for the spoiler... and that was only 140hp... and the GT-S with 180hp was like $29,000+ fees

RabidRat

03-23-2012, 12:17 AM

^ Holy shit that's a smoking deal.

Was it a reliable source?