[flagella]

I actually enjoyed the presentation. The guy seems very enthusiastic about sports car.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1163

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reswM4fdtKk

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1600&d=1303325701

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1603&d=1303325701

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1622&d=1303326065

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1634&d=1303326233


Press Release:

April 20, 2011 - New York - Scion unveiled the rear-wheel drive FR-S Concept sports coupe today at the 2011 New York International Auto Show. The concept, which sets out to stimulate the souls of true driving enthusiasts, will be at the Scion display through May 1. The FR-S Concept will inspire a new model coming to the Scion brand next year.

The FR-S Concept, which stands for Front-engine, Rear-wheel drive, Sport; is Scion’s definition of an authentic rear-wheel-drive sports car with compelling style, exceptionally balanced performance and handling, flexible utility and surprising MPG.

“Scion is always experimenting with new things,” said Jack Hollis, Scion vice president. “The brand is iconic with the xB, adrenalized by the tC, and groundbreaking with the iQ. The FR-S will expand the brand into yet another new dimension that I know it is truly destined for.”

The FR-S is a true “scion,” born into a lengthy history of Toyota performance cars and motorsports. The sports coupe is most inspired by the AE86 generation of the Corolla, better known as the Hachi-Roku, meaning “8-6” in Japanese. The front-engine, rear-wheel drive coupe was lightweight and well balanced, making it a solid choice for driving enthusiasts.

Inspired by the AE86, the FR-S is built around the core goal of achieving “pure balance,” which begins with the strategic placement of a flat 2.0-liter boxer engine in a front-engine, rear-wheel drive configuration. The engine’s compact size and shape allows the FR-S’ powertrain to be mounted lower and further back towards the rear, giving the car a lower center of gravity and a dynamically favorable front-to-rear weight ratio.

The FR-S’ naturally-aspirated engine is innovative, being the first boxer to incorporate Toyota’s D4-S injection system, which utilizes both direct and port injection, resulting in increased horsepower and torque throughout the entire powerband, without sacrificing MPG.

The flat-four can mate with either a six-speed manual or a six-speed automatic transmission. The manual offers quick and precise shifts with a short-throw, while the automatic transmission features aggressive, sporty shifts that are initiated by steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters. Power is distributed effectively via a limited-slip differential.

The idea of “pure balance” is further realized by the FR-S’ lightweight design and short wheelbase. The combination allows the car to be quick and nimble into and out of any corner, with dynamic maneuverability and confident stability.

“Akio Toyoda has mentioned that he is going to bring the fun-to-drive spirit back to Toyota,” Hollis said. “I know that the Scion FR-S Concept is one of the ways that he plans to accomplish that.”

The fierce exterior of the FR-S is a good reflection of its inner power. The intimidating proportions of the concept give it a dominant stance that bleeds performance. The profile, inspired by the Toyota 2000GT, reveals a hood-line that is remarkably sleek and low, made possible by the boxer’s architecture.

The low stance continues to exaggerate the FR-S’ menacing face, which is made up of sharp lines, a wide mouth and angular headlights that include bright LED clusters.

The solid panel roofline is sleek, lightweight and rigid, slotted with an aerodynamic shape that channels air cleanly over to the top.

The front fenders protrude upward, making space for the massive monoblock Five Axis 20x8.5-inch wheels, while the muscular rear fenders are widened to house the 20x10.5-inch wheels, emphasizing the FR-S’ staggered stance and rear-wheel-drive setup.

The rear fascia sits low and wide, with extensive lower treatments that surround the dual exhaust exits and contribute to excellent aerodynamics. LEDs illuminate both the edgy taillights and the bold “SCION” logo.

The concept features four-piston-caliper front brakes that clamp down on monstrous 18-inch annular carbon ceramic matrix rotors that are fixed to the wheels in a motorcycle-fashion.

The FR-S Concept is layered in rich coats of Code Red, the appropriately named color that consists of a custom blend of candy and a developmental additive from BASF called Mearlite SSQ.

Remarks from NYIAS
April 20, 2011
2011 New York International Auto Show - Scion FR-S Concept Reveal
Scion FR-S Concept Press Conference
2011 New York International Auto Show
Javits Convention Center, Galleria
Wednesday, April 20, 2011, 1:40 p.m. EDT
Jack Hollis, Vice President, Scion

Click here for Scion FR-S Concept news release

Good afternoon everyone… and thanks for coming out today.

I love coming to New York… And this show has a special place in Scion’s history.

In addition to introducing the brand here in 2002… we’ve revealed a number of significant vehicles in New York… and last year was no exception.

When I saw you a year ago… we revealed the all-new… second-generation tC.

BETTER in every possible way… it features aggressive styling and enhanced performance.
It’s a premium compact sports coupe that redefines its segment to meet the desires of an evolving buyer.

When the critically acclaimed tC reached Scion dealerships last September… it was well received by Scion owners… both new and existing.

Since its original launch seven years ago… it’s had the youngest median-age buyer in the industry… and the all-new tC continues that trend.

It enables Scion to have the youngest drivers on the road today.

The second-generation tC’s successful launch last fall continued to bring new buyers into the Toyota family… which has been a key goal for Scion since inception.

The tC immediately drove traffic to Scion dealerships… contributing heavily to sales increases for all three Scion models in the last quarter of the year.

Last year… we also showed you an exciting new vehicle that will help usher in a “New Urbanism”… the Scion iQ. When it goes on sale later this year… the iQ will appeal to a more progressive buyer whose transportation needs and desires are changing.

The iQ will be about big ideas… Concentrated. It will take a unique approach to urban mobility… beyond convenient transportation… with a blend of style and innovation.

The iQ will define a new… premium… micro-subcompact segment… attracting new urbanites who appreciate inventive transportation without sacrifice in design or features.

It will also have an emotional appeal that screams… “it’s time to have fun.”

The iQ will have all the safety and security drivers want. Vehicle Stability Control… Anti-lock Brakes… and Traction Control are among the standard-active safety features.

It’s amazing that a car this small not only has a segment best… but an INDUSTRY-best 11 standard airbags… including the world’s first rear-window curtain airbag.

Like all Scions… the iQ will represent a great value with a strong mix of standard features and benefits. I’m looking forward to seeing it navigate the streets of Manhattan… with a HUGE advantage in finding a parking spot… as well as other cities around the country.

To get them in the hands of urban owners as soon as possible… we will launch the iQ in waves… just like when we originally launched the brand. We’ll start with the West Coast… New York and the rest of the East Coast will follow. The iQ will then reach the Midwest.

While the iQ’s launch is later than we originally planned… most of you can understand why.

But you know what… our company is always about people first… and our top priority these days is to support our colleagues in Japan… their families… and the Japanese people.

It’s a tribute to their hard work and dedication… and their ability to come together under the most difficult circumstances… that impresses each and every one of us.

It’s truly an honor to be teammates with them.

The iQ and tC are more than just two new products. Together… they’re helping us usher in the “New Dimension” of Scion. While tC stretched Scion in a new direction… and iQ will too… in a BIG way… we’re NOT stopping there.

You know… Scion has always been Toyota’s lab for trying new ideas. At its core is a DNA of authenticity… community… and personalization that we’ll be expanding even further. While Scion’s been iconic with the xB… and adrenalized by the tC… and groundbreaking with the iQ.

Now… we’ll be going in a New Dimension that I know Scion is truly destined for.

It’s no secret…Toyota President Akio Toyoda loves to express his passion for driving. Whether he’s behind the wheel of the LF A at the 24-hours of Nurburgring… or just cruising around on the weekend in his IS F… it’s obvious that he knows what it means to have fun in a car.

In countless interviews and presentations… Akio has made it clear that he wants to bring that Fun-to-Drive spirit… BACK to TOYOTA.

And you know what… THIS is what he has in mind.

Ladies and gentlemen…passionate drivers… canyon carvers… auto-crossers and weekend track warriors…it is my pleasure to introduce YOU to the New Dimension of “Fun to Drive”…no scratch that…”Awesome to Drive”… also known as…the Scion FR-S Concept.

Every time I see this car…I just can’t help but smile.

You know… I’ve been having a lot of fun watching the forums and reading the comments about this car.

I’m truly impressed by the amount of passion that the enthusiasts already have for it and the volume of buzz that it’s generating. It proves that they are absolutely READY for a car just like THIS!

One of the common rumors about this car is its name. We’ve seen people call it FR-86… FT-S… and of course Scion FT-86. All were pretty close!

FR-S stands for Front-engine… Rear-wheel drive… Sport. Pretty simple. I personally believe it should stand for Friggin’ Really Sweet…but the legal department at Toyota was NOT feeling the same way.

You may be asking yourself… why did Scion stray away from the traditional naming convention?
Well… why not?! Scion’s never been about convention… We’re always looking to be different.

And this car is SO MUCH DIFFERENT than anything Scion has in its lineup…it deserves to stand out.

Now before I get too far into where the FR-S Concept COULD go… it’s important to know where it comes FROM.

The definition of the word scion… as you already know… means to be a descendant of… or an heir to. Well… the FR-S is an excellent example of that definition. Toyota’s lengthy history of performance cars and racing heritage trickles down into the overall design of the FR-S…just one of the benefits of being in such a great family.

You’re probably already pretty familiar with cars like the Toyota 2000GT… the MR-2… the Celica All Trac Turbo… and my personal favorite…the Supra Turbo.

The FR-S Concept… however… is most closely related to… and really inspired by… the AE86 Corolla…known by its true fans as the “hachi-roku…” which means 8-6 in Japanese.

The AE86 didn’t rely on brute horsepower… but instead a remarkable combination of a lightweight design… manageable power and great balance. It made its way into almost every genre of racing from grip to drift… and from the circuit to mountain roads.

Although this concept arrives here more than 25 years later… and doesn’t share a single common part… the spirit and the heritage of the AE86 has trickled down into every single detail of this FR-S Concept. The goal was to create an authentic rear-wheel drive sports car… with compelling style… exceptionally balanced performance and handling… flexible utility… and surprising MPG. I know the FR-S Concept will achieve all of that.

How did we do it? Well… we started with an overall focus for the car…PURE BALANCE.

The balance begins with the strategic use of a flat boxer engine in a front-engine… rear-wheel drive configuration. The combination allows the FR-S’s engine and transmission package to be mounted lower… and further back toward the rear… giving the car a lower center of gravity and a favorable front-to-rear weight ratio.

The naturally aspirated two-liter engine features Toyota’s D4-S injection system… which utilizes both direct and port injection… resulting in increased horsepower and torque throughout the entire powerband. We all know that it’s not hard to make horsepower and torque…but it IS hard to do all that AND get great MPG. The FR-S Concept tackles all three.

The flat-four mates with either a six-speed manual or a six-speed automatic transmission. The manual offers quick and precise shifts with a short-throw… while the automatic transmission features aggressive… sporty shifts… initiated by steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters. Power is put to the pavement via a limited-slip differential.

The idea of PURE BALANCE is further realized by the FR-S’s lightweight design and short wheel base. The combination allows the car to be quick and nimble into and out of any corner.

Every single angle of this car bleeds performance… and it starts with this awesome red paint that I like to call… “Code Red.” The profile of the FR-S was inspired by the 2000GT… making it extremely low to the ground with a long and sleek hood.

The front bumper is aggressive… with fierce… edgy headlights. The roof has a gull-wing shape… channeling air-flow smoothly over the car. While the rear features a trapezoidal shape with unique tail lamps and center-positioned back-up light.

The FR-S Concept connects to the road via 20-inch wheels that are staggered… 8-inches wide up front and a ridiculous 10-inches wide in the rear. The wheels have a unique motorcycle-style braking system with huge 18-inch rotors that are attached to the wheels. Four-piston calipers bite down hard when the car needs to be brought to a halt.

While the FR-S you see today is a concept vehicle… we envision that the sports car physique wouldn’t stop with the aggressive exterior. The interior would share the same DNA… designed with both form and function in mind. I envision it would be the perfect daily driver AND weekend warrior. How about a 2+2 seating configuration… with a fold-flat cargo area large enough to transport a full set of race-spec tires… a floor jack and the necessary pit tools for a fun day at the track? Because you and I know that not all enthusiasts have a truck and trailer.

As you can tell… the FR-S Concept is a serious sports coupe… offering performance that hard-core driving fanatics can only find in a rear-wheel drive.

While the tC appeals strongly to a young… aspirational owner who is just starting to achieve early success… I see the FR-S Concept taking us into yet another Dimension.

It will be a sports car for someone who knows exactly what he wants… where he wants to go… and desires a car to take him there. It will have that Pure Balance to reach the braking zone… hit the apex… and accelerate on to the next conquest.

While only a concept… the FR-S shows what is possible with Scion owners’ creativity and easy ability to personalize. It’s a vehicle that will inspire a new model coming to market next year.

I look forward to showing you more… very soon.

Thanks again for joining us today.

Come on up and take a look at the FR-S Concept.

[Shorn]

so basically the ft-86 just got branded as scion?
nothing much changed.. its still a concept.

[double0seven]

so basically the ft-86 just got branded as scion?
nothing much changed.. its still a concept.

To be honest I dont really care what brand it is, toyota/scion/lexus, I just really hope they get this car in productions ASAP

Just my 0.02$ :alone:

[StylinRed]

http://www.revscene.net/forums/ft-86-ii-t638931.html


and i agree, I want it

if you go to the scion frs website you get to download the commercial etc

[Expresso]

More pictures here:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.197256140310843.37355.192672490769208

I'm liking a lot of the subtle touches like the vented hood, rear diffuser, wheel and caliper design. Would be lucky if any of these made it to production.

[optiblue]

They need to put this rear bumper and the front bumper on the FT-86!! I love the front fender vents on the FT-86, can't believe they got rid of them! I wonder if this car is faster than the 370Z

[BaoTurbo]

So Toyota FT-86 is now Scion FR-S. Progression, but still not out in production.

[PornMaster]

ummmm. This car has been in concept for like 2 years......

[HondaGuy]

Very nice design, the overall stance/look is thumbsup...

Love how the vice president talks about ae86 and the past cars that inspire toyotas/scions to move into the fr-s balance.

[Matlock]

This I am interested in.

Need price.

[koukimonst3r]

Must get this as my 2nd car.
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[rawr]

Goddamn this looks good. This > Genesis coupe

[crazyazn]

While that looks good...i doubt the production model is gonna look like that lol

[godwin]

Genesis has V6 option.

You will be only get flat-4 turbo for the new FT86.

Goddamn this looks good. This > Genesis coupe

[The_AK]

that guy is an awesome presenter, really hyped up the car. Looking forward to seeing more of this car down the road

[monkeywrench]

Hmm, I would have considered this but I still like this car when it was the early debut as the FT-86 in the first concept form.. Too many different lines going around. Too late now for me to reconsider a new car :(

[Eros250]

nice work on the presentation,, Love the hype and vibe they are giving out to the public. Hopefully the production will look nice as well. Wonder what engine its going to be in production.

[toyota86]

pretty sold on this concept. the ft86-II concept looked so horrible with its weird proportions, ugly leds and spoilers. i would prefer this to be under a toyota badge but as long as all the scion badges could be easily removed, its not a big deal. fingers crossed hoping it doesn't come with a sunroof, leather, cup holders and all that junk. i could already picture it now. 20 years into the future, on used car classified, instead of asking how bad the rust is, buyers will be asking if its an auto or stick. if auto suddenly worth 50% less.

[monkeywrench]

pretty sold on this concept. the ft86-II concept looked so horrible with its weird proportions, ugly leds and spoilers. i would prefer this to be under a toyota badge but as long as all the scion badges could be easily removed, its not a big deal. fingers crossed hoping it doesn't come with a sunroof, leather, cup holders and all that junk. i could already picture it now. 20 years into the future, on used car classified, instead of asking how bad the rust is, buyers will be asking if its an auto or stick. if auto suddenly worth 50% less.

Haha same route as the AE86? The original AE86 will never be replaced... Hopefully this new Scion thing can bring enthusiasts in the right direction

[Culture_Vulture]

oh fucking hell yeah, it looks like a poor man's LF-A :lol

[Nlkko]

^Club Lexus guys like it, too:

http://i51.tinypic.com/16abjfm.jpg

About debadging, if you see the pictures, the Scion imprint is everywhere. There's even a Scion third brake light. It's possible but it'd take some effort to debadge the whole car.

[jungle168]

Love it!!! I hope they give you a sunroof delete option.

[baggdis300]

i fuckin' want it.


/so going to buy after i graduate!!!


so basically the ft-86 just got branded as scion?
nothing much changed.. its still a concept.

the reason they did that is so they have the youngest aged buyers reputation stays like that theres no point giving this car to toyota which has older buyers. Basically they are just wanting to make scion the younger people's awesome and affordable car.

[twitchyzero]

holy shit looks so mean with the F badge

[bcrdukes]

Toyota has been egging people on for too long. They're extremely good trolls. It won't surprise me if they decided to cancel its production.

[twitchyzero]

Toyota has been egging people on for too long. They're extremely good trolls. It won't surprise me if they decided to cancel its production.

no that's Honda...at least Toyota after like a decade finally put LFA to production.

[BaoTurbo]

Sooo much want.....if they put the price around 20g's I want to take it. Tops 20g'ish

[baggdis300]

LOL

for 20g's you get a POS plastic car...
and with the equipment they are showing, stock 20's with 18" rotor's?

you need atleast 26-30g's to have an awesome sports car.

look at the kia gensis coupe, base is around 26g's

why the hell would a scion be less than a kia?

[StylinRed]

its going to be $30gs i imagine


unless they really dumb down the concept to the point that its just a pile of crap (which im dreading)

[StylinRed]

edit: rofl thought this was the canucks thread ;)

[BaoTurbo]

MSRP was 20g for the base genesis in 2010 when it first came out. Now its 24g MSRP for base genesis. Yea I agree 26-30g for a RWD 2.0T is the most ideal price...but I just don't want to believe it :(. Sigh....I'm looking forward to this car being the best sports car for its price in the near future. Even better than the GTI.

[baggdis300]

i'd be happy with a totally loaded sports model for around 30-35,000 fully loaded with navigation full leather trim just basically what a loaded is350 has would be ideal for features one that would be cool is cooled seats, my step dads gs330 has them and in the summer its freaking awesome.

now some forced induction would be AMAZING, probably not very likely tho as they want a sports car thats VERY good on gas...

[Levitron]

LOL

for 20g's you get a POS plastic car...
and with the equipment they are showing, stock 20's with 18" rotor's?

you need atleast 26-30g's to have an awesome sports car.

look at the kia gensis coupe, base is around 26g's

why the hell would a scion be less than a kia?

:failed:

[kkttsang]

LOL

for 20g's you get a POS plastic car...
and with the equipment they are showing, stock 20's with 18" rotor's?

you need atleast 26-30g's to have an awesome sports car.

look at the kia gensis coupe, base is around 26g's

why the hell would a scion be less than a kia?

did he say kia genesis coupe? is this for real or sarcasm?

[death_blossom]

LSD as standard equipment? this car is #winning already!

I hope they don't dumb down the concept too much. if anyone paid attention, this concept has 20" rims on it haha.

[- kT]

look at the kia gensis coupe, base is around 26g's

why the hell would a scion be less than a kia?

apparently i own a kia
could've sworn it was a hyundai..guess the sideways H is how they write K in korea :troll:

[Todd Martinez]

i like that a lot. Toyota really needs to step up their game so hopefully its a sign of good things to come.

[mb_]

apparently i own a kia
could've sworn it was a hyundai..guess the sideways H is how they write K in korea :troll:

He did say gensis, not genesis :troll:
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[Adrenaline Rush]

what the FRS is supposed to sound like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oDT3dNDo2c&feature=player_embedded

[hk20000]

wtf it sounds like a neutered STi.

[double0seven]

Its okay, exhaust sound can be fixed :D

NOW PUT THE CAR INTO PRODUCTION

[Death2Theft]

It is a neutered sti as far as powerplants are concerned.

[Nlkko]

Spec confirmed (http://www.zercustoms.com/news/Toyota-FT-86-Specs.html)

Toyota confirmed today the specs of the FT-86 production version, which is getting closer and closer to its premiere day. The Toyota FT-86 will be a new model, developed in collaboration with Subaru, which will be marketed as a Scion too (the FR-S). The production version of Toyota's FT-86 will be powered by a 2.0-liter naturally-aspirated boxer engine, developed by Subaru. Toyota will add to the horizontally-opposed engine its D-4S technology, which features a direct injection system combined with port injection.

The Toyota FT-86 will be sold with a choice between a six-speed manual transmission and an automatic gearbox. For the manual version of the FT-86, Toyota promises quick and precise shifts with a short-throw, while the automatic model will come with steering wheel mounted paddle shifters.

Toyota's FT-86 will be a front-engine, rear-wheel-drive vehicle and will come equipped with a limited-slip differential.

In terms of design, the new production model will be based on the Toyota FT-86 II concept premiered at this year's Geneva auto show. Some of the styling features of the concept however, might not make it into production.

[!Yaminashi]

I like it

[twitchyzero]

LOL

for 20g's you get a POS plastic car...

you need atleast 26-30g's to have an awesome sports car.


it will probably be much sportier than your is300

[BaoTurbo]

So confirmed direct inject RWD turbo. Interesting. The tailights might not make it into production I can probably strongly assume that. Its too slim and I don't think all the necessary lights will fit into that kind of space. Might be modified a bit to be bigger. Everything else to me seems like its probable to make it to production. Really looking forward to the production release date or even finalized production. Hope I can send them something to tell them to hurry up lol :)

[gilly]

a little bit dissapointed that they will badge it as scion rather than toyota.

[Alpine]

Two new photographs of ring mules, 1 of a base model and 1 with a body kit :D

http://www.blogcdn.com/ca.autoblog.com/media/2011/05/scionfr-sn03kgped.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/ca.autoblog.com/media/2011/05/02-scion-fr-s-spy-shots.jpg

[TRDeol]

DAT SPOILER
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[dark0821]

lol was gonna say...

isnt that wing straight off a 2011 STi? xD
and Impreza Mirrors =.=

LOL... hmmm

[RevRav]

More:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1790&d=1305681474
Not a bad angle...
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1792&d=1305681474
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1793&d=1305681474
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1795&d=1305681474
Rear:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1796&d=1305681474
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1797&d=1305681474
Headlights...Projectors and maybe some LED's?:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1798&d=1305681502
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1799&d=1305681502
Exhaust:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1800&d=1305681502
Mirror:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1802&d=1305681502

[SpuGen]

http://www.blogcdn.com/ca.autoblog.com/media/2011/05/02-scion-fr-s-spy-shots.jpg
http://autosfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Toyota-Supra.jpg


Almost.

[RevRav]

The more aggressive model:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1827&d=1305719133
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1828&d=1305719133
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1830&d=1305719133
The spoiler:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1831&d=1305719133
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1832&d=1305719133
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1808&d=1305717181
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1810&d=1305717181
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1814&d=1305717181

OEM factory kit?:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1815&d=1305717240
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1817&d=1305717240
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1816&d=1305717240
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1818&d=1305717240
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1822&d=1305717240

[dark0821]

The more aggressive model:



The spoiler:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1831&d=1305719133
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1832&d=1305719133


more like

http://www.wrxtuners.com/forums/attachments/f51/4936d1288067737-having-sti-wing-wrx-lame-2011_subaru_wrx_sti_17.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4854308545_61774218e9.jpg

[gilly]

pleaseee dont make it a 2 seater

[Death2Theft]

It wont be no crx if its supposed to be able to carry a set of track wheels inside.

[K.Dubz]

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1831&d=1305719133

http://www.thedailymaverick.co.za/photo/resize/2011-05-18-forester-front-344/600/344

Looks promising

[Ronin]

The concept is beautiful. The test models...not so much.

[death_blossom]

I was also thinking the bodykit version is the STi one.

[toyota86]

im really thinking that the production model will be more in line with the ft86-II concept than the more elegant and agressive scion concept. btw, that spoiler looks really ugly.

[monkeywrench]

I was really hoping for it to be like the first concept. But these sets of spy shots look decent. I'm not liking the rear so much but we will have to see it unwrapped.
I just hope I don't feel like I regret getting myself the car I have now opposed to this FT-86 :(
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[twitchyzero]

it's a damn test mule..take it with a grain of salt

[BaoTurbo]

Later spy shots of the almost final test mule should be the best deciding factor to buy or not to buy the car :)

[twitchyzero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQmUKqD5Bp8

[BaoTurbo]

Yea and also as I would have guessed they will shrink the lights down to a more "operable" size. Tailights would be better if they were longer and thinner almost like the concept to fit the overall dimension of the car.

[twitchyzero]

STi coupe coming to a dealership near you soon...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1920&d=1306447005
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1919&d=1306447005
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1917&d=1306447005

[death_blossom]

hmm, that Subaru version sort of looks more boring than the Toyota/Scion?

[hk20000]

thing is, the latest FR-S concept was a fiveaxxis creation (much like those concepts back then with tC iQ etc) that it was impossible that the production version would have looked like the latest version.

By the looks of the camo'd cars I'd say it'll still look largely like the original FT-86 concept aka the GT5 video shape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI6ED6z9a-g

[Nlkko]

Saw this on another forum:

Subaru Broz?

Subaru has decided to name it the Subaru BRZ (http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/23/subaru-names-its-coupe-brz-as-concept-heads-for-frankfurt/)


- FHI to display its Technology Concept at 64th Frankfurt Motor Show -

Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI), the maker of Subaru automobiles, today announced that Subaru's new rear-wheel drive sports car, which is currently under joint development with Toyota Motor Corporation, will be named "SUBARU BRZ". "BRZ" stands for "Boxer engine", "Rear-wheel drive" and "Zenith" and embodies ultimate passion for the new sports car and confidence in its distinctive trademark and core technology: the "Horizontally-Opposed Subaru Boxer engine". The start of production is planned for spring 2012.

FHI will exhibit the technology concept of the "SUBARU BRZ", named "SUBARU BRZ PROLOGUE - BOXER Sports Car Architecture II - ", at the 64th Frankfurt Motor Show in September 2011. (Press day: September 13 and 14; Open to the public from September 15 through 25, 2011)

A special site will be opened today at 12:00 on the Subaru Global Site.
SUBARU | The 64th Frankfurt Motor Show (http://www.subaru-global.com/11frankfurt/teaser/)

Under the brand statement "Confidence in Motion", Subaru brand always inspires confidence with customers through its commitment to "engineering excellence". With the core ideal of "engineering excellence", Subaru continues to provide customers with "Enjoyment and Peace of Mind" in all Subaru products.


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/08/brzweb.jpg

[twitchyzero]

I can see a lot of people opting for custom BROSKI emblems

[2damaxmr2]

Shut up and take my money.

[BaoTurbo]

Wait what? So Subaru is making a BRZ, but the Scion FRS is already in production process?

[twitchyzero]

production models are expected to debut at Tokyo Motor Show at the end of the year but actual production won't happen until next spring

[Bender Unit]

for F--K sake just start the production, Subaru or Toyota :speechless:

[AzNightmare]

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1920&d=1306447005


lol, I like how they even have a "swirly sticker" slapped right on the
steering wheel to cover up the logo.

[LuHua]

Seems like there's been another leak:

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2011/10/toyota_ft_86_top.jpg
Toyota FT-86: This is it? (http://jalopnik.com/5853832/toyota-ft+86-this-is-it)

Tail's a bit ugly imo. But I'd probably still end up buying it!

[Jackygor]

The rear looks pretty bad but a simple blacking housing of the tail lights should make it look better.

[hk20000]

could use a nice wing or something...

[Culture_Vulture]

could use a nice wing or something...

Just what I was thinking. It looks great and all but something about it seems a little underwhelming.

[Santofu]

^^^ I think it goes well with a spoiler lip like a m3.

[twitchyzero]

just a bit over a month left and we'll see if all this hype was just a major disappointment or a true entry-level sports car that's been lacking from japan for many years now

[Culture_Vulture]

Honestly? I'd rock any sports car (that could be considered a sports car) that Toyota comes out with.

[SDU]

Toyota FT-86 - Road Test First Drive - Autocar.co.uk (http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Toyota-FT-86-first-drive/259779/)

Toyota FT-86 coupe (2012) CAR review | Road Testing Reviews | Car Magazine Online (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Toyota-FT-86-coupe-2012-CAR-review-/)

[Jackygor]

sounds cool. Trouncing miata is big thing to say, however.

[Datsun]

Standard model:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2375&d=1319862672
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2377&d=1319862672
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2376&d=1319862672

New FT-86 / FR-S brochure scans - factory standard version without body kit - Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota FT-86 Forum | ft86club (http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2075)

[twitchyzero]

^ that looks much better

[.Renn.Sport]

So whats the final name for the car... Can't see it anywhere in the scans

[see.lai]

God damn, I've been waiting on this car forever... It looks so clean

[Culverin]

It's like Toyota finally got their sense of style back.
I've been disgusted with the horrible looking cars for the last decade. This looks lean and mean. At this price, it would completely destroy a Civic SI.

[optiblue]

It looks great and a finally a car for enthusiasts. It's not going to set any lap records, but that was to be expected. It looks sexy and is a classic sporty RWD. Definitely in the right direction unlike the CR-Z. If priced correctly, this could actually be a good alternative to the genesis coupe which is also a fantastic car. I love Honda, but they definitely need to look at reviving their late 90's sports cars as they currently have all their marbles in the wrong direction.
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[Onassis]

Nissan give us a S16

[monkeywrench]

Wow this new look since the first concept is really growing on me. :sweetjesus:
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[bluejays]

http://www.reece-eu.net/gallery/var/thumbs/funny/sort-of-want.jpg?m=1272645181

[Tegra_Devil]

what is this Modellista Model?

DO WANT!

engine shot:

http://www.tyandriel.de/opics/ft86nr_fax0815_01.jpg

[Culverin]

I have no idea what I'm looking at. But that looks like a lot of plastic just begging to be swapped out for aftermarket parts.

Man... if the price for this car is so low, the market for parts could get HUGE.

[twitchyzero]

interior looks like something i'd expect from a pick-up truck...
not resized
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2394&d=1319903205
modellista version
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2358&d=1319723826

[StylinRed]

It's like Toyota finally got their sense of style back.
I've been disgusted with the horrible looking cars for the last decade. This looks lean and mean. At this price, it would completely destroy a Civic SI.

you didnt like the Celica?!

[tofu1413]

centre position for tach! yay.

wonder if the motor would be tuned to run like the old 4AG blue tops.. with the TVIS noise at the last 1000rpm or so..

the interior looks like its got lots of room for aftermarket stuff.. factory din unit looks like its begging to be replaced and the space underneath.. looks like space for oil temp metres and such

[LuHua]

^I remember reading somewhere that the interior was designed to be able to take a rollcage without cutting trim pieces, I wonder if that still holds true.

[tofu1413]

^ so the hard parkers could have a relief sigh when they install their PVC piping painted cusco blue? :troll:

[Death2Theft]

Y u no have mr-s?
you didnt like the Celica?!

[twitchyzero]

i was trying to think of an affordable RWD coupe from japan within the last 10 years excluding roadsters


only rx-8 came to mind :concentrate:

[pk_volt]

lol, why oh why did they pollute such a beautiful design with a shitty brand, Scion.

They should've just kept it as TOYOTA!

Either that, or this whole "FT86" scheme is just a publicity stunt, possibly to bring Scion up to speed with other auto brands...

[hk20000]

^ not really a coupe it has 4 doors.

[death_blossom]

i was trying to think of an affordable RWD coupe from japan within the last 10 years excluding roadsters


only rx-8 came to mind :concentrate:

350z/370z is somewhat affordable? :p

in Japan, the tuning market is mostly about modding second hand cars anyways. the young folk who are really into cars can't really go and buy brand new cars for modding.

[death_blossom]

wonder if the motor would be tuned to run like the old 4AG blue tops.. with the TVIS noise at the last 1000rpm or so..

the interior looks like its got lots of room for aftermarket stuff.. factory din unit looks like its begging to be replaced and the space underneath.. looks like space for oil temp metres and suchsomething tells me that TRD will have a nice catalogue of parts for this engine. :)

[bcrdukes]

you didnt like the Celica?!

Ever since it became FWD, no.

[FS1992EG]

is it me or does this fr-s look similar to a hyundai tiburon?:pokerface:

[Datsun]

Full tech spec and options: :eek:

Scion FR-S / FT-86 / Subaru BRZ Full Specs and Options Revealed! 200hp / 151 lb-ft tq - Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota FT-86 Forum | ft86club (http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2096)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2416&d=1320075926


Is that a tofu delivery edition in the bottom left with the steelies?!
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2412&d=1320070604

[mos_skeeto]

Hmm interesting. I was wondering if they will get into the HP wars with the Genesis Coupe/370Z with a second trim that produced more power. But being 200hp means this will probably be below $30,000 which means I can afford it :)

[gilly]

crz has 4 seats?

[hk20000]

Bottom Left says "Customize grade" which means it's a version catered to people who are immediately gonna rice their cars out with aftermarket parts so it rolls off the factory with unpainted bumper, basic white paint and steelies. Possibly released for future competition builds.

If that grade makes it across the pond it'd be quite a media stir no? It's like a Lancer N1 base chassis but for Toyota.

[BaoTurbo]

The scion brand doesn't bother me much. Once I buy it, changes badges to Toyota. You can change frs to ae86 too if you want
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[Manic!]

crz has 4 seats?

In Japan yes.

[Tegra_Devil]

so i see so many people talking about a 4cyl turbo in this thread..............................but this is N/A.............why is a turbo coming up in conversation or am I totally missing something?


also, is this a new 2.0L suburu engine......or something out of a previous model?

[cococly]

V4 Hybrid for the CR-Z on that spec sheet :seriously:

[Jackygor]

looks like a really fun car to customize!!

[StylinRed]

Y u no have mr-s?
cuz no1 liked the mrs. lol
Ever since it became FWD, no.

:okay:

[Datsun]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YLaSgckX4IU/Tq9DahoIVjI/AAAAAAAFY1w/uJIVkMtU-MY/s1600/FT-86-7.jpg

[CorneringArtist]

so i see so many people talking about a 4cyl turbo in this thread..............................but this is N/A.............why is a turbo coming up in conversation or am I totally missing something?


also, is this a new 2.0L suburu engine......or something out of a previous model?

BR-Z is going to be turbo, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a TRD turbo kit down the line. As for the engine itself, I'm not sure if it's a new one, but it is using Toyota's direct injection system.

[Nlkko]

BR-Z is going to be turbo, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a TRD turbo kit down the line. As for the engine itself, I'm not sure if it's a new one, but it is using Toyota's direct injection system.

No turbo version in development for the Toyota version (http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Toyota-FT-86-coupe-2012-CAR-review-/)

BR-Z is also no turbo. (http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/259648/)

The BRZ will make close to what the Scion is making which is maybe 230ish. Not 300, not without a turbo.

[SpicyToFu]

The real question is whether this would be as much fun to drive as my ae86

On one hand it has a boxer engine, but this new "toyota" seems to weigh more

[.Renn.Sport]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YLaSgckX4IU/Tq9DahoIVjI/AAAAAAAFY1w/uJIVkMtU-MY/s1600/FT-86-7.jpg

Nice, a stripped out model so that I could throw out all the crap and replace it with aftermarket stuff

at 1200KG the car is very light for a modern car....

[toyota86]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YLaSgckX4IU/Tq9DahoIVjI/AAAAAAAFY1w/uJIVkMtU-MY/s1600/FT-86-7.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Toyota_Corolla_SR5_hatch_front.jpg/800px-Toyota_Corolla_SR5_hatch_front.jpg

reminds me of this. its a good thing. haha SR5!!

[tofu1413]

that base one reminds me of the spec C wrx and those evo RS'es

[Sky_High]

Being Canada, we might not even get the stripped down model to choose from.

But if we do...I really hope it's somewhere in the 22-24g range.
I'll buy one right away :fuckyea:

[Culverin]

you didnt like the Celica?!

The latest celica? ish?
It think it looks ok, but stylewise, it's no NSX, Supra or RX-7.

[Tegra_Devil]

man the BRZ looks hella hot.......better than the FT-86

PRICING

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/edmunds-announces-pricing-estimates-for-subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-40006.html

OK, we promise this is the last time we talk about these cars… for today at least. We don’t really know why, but the case for the trio of sportscars is getting very clear very fast, and we can’t wait to get our hands on one in order to find out what it’s like.

Earlier today, we learned that the Toyota FT-86 and presumably the Scion as well will only have 200 horsepower going to their back wheels. That might not sound like a lot, but the Big T has promised use a true performance machine, with a low slung center and reduced mass.

Now, thanks to Edmunds.com, we can put a price on very promising imperfection. The MSRP for the Scion, which is coming in the Winter 2012, should be $24,995. The Subaru BRZ will be only slightly more expensive at $25,300.

There’s no point in extrapolating these prices to the Euro or Japanese Yen, as these will be much different, but it’s clear Toyota wants to undercut even hothatches.

[twitchyzero]

http://www.topgear.com/uk/assets/cms/8480a90a-bdf8-4c8e-b2e0-14f9e33b6e4e/Large%20Image.jpg?p=111101_12:33

+1 for gold BBS with WRB

how much does the STI go for? $45k in Canada? I doubt they'll price it under $33K for the BRZ
probably a great deal to import used from US

[mb_]

Looks nice. Wing needs to grow on me though.

[twitchyzero]

Hmm interesting. I was wondering if they will get into the HP wars with the Genesis Coupe/370Z with a second trim that produced more power. But being 200hp means this will probably be below $30,000 which means I can afford it :)

considering it has a 300kg weight advantage this will most definitely be in direct competition with the Gen coupe 2.0T

i doubt the stripped trim will come to NA

[Glove]

so 25k US,

which means it will be around 35k msrp here in canada

it would be worth it to import it from the states for sure,

I am going to wait for a turbo model though, or wait until someone comes out with a turbo kit for it,

200hp is weak as shit, probably wont even make the car fun to drive

[Over9K]

200HP and 151 ft pounds of torque at 6600 RPM's.

That engine better be putting 150.99 ft pounds at 2000...

The scion brand doesn't bother me much. Once I buy it, changes badges to Toyota. You can change frs to ae86 too if you want
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I see you haven't talked to any Scion owners, or been in the states.

When someone asks you what car you drive, and you say "Scion FR-S", most people will not look further than the word Scion.

A Scion is a typical douche bags car, especially in the states. Usually a high school student in their senior year that thinks their car is the best thing ever.

I recommend that you fly down there and meet the Scion kids.

[Datsun]

I see you haven't talked to any Scion owners, or been in the states.

When someone asks you what car you drive, and you say "Scion FR-S", most people will not look further than the word Scion.

A Scion is a typical douche bags car, especially in the states. Usually a high school student in their senior year that thinks their car is the best thing ever.

I recommend that you fly down there and meet the Scion kids.

Seeing as we have to FLY to a different place to understand the douchebag image associated with owning a Scion, I'd say we're safe over here.

If youre really that insecure over a few badges, maybe you should ask yourself WHO you're buying the car for. Take a look at Miata owners, do you think they would give up their affordable/light/agile car so their feelings wont get hurt by some redneck yelling HURF DURF GAY CAR?

[Tegra_Devil]

a TRD supercharger would be awesome for this car!

put it around 260hp.......that would be nice............:sweetjesus:



and it better come in white

[Energy]

I wonder what the torque curve will look like? Seems like a low torque but high redline type of engine.

Weight is nice too.

[Tegra_Devil]

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2432&d=1320112109

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2427&d=1320112109

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2428&d=1320112109

[pinoy.solsi]

anybody wanna translate that ^^^^

[Datsun]

satin white pearl
Sterling silver metallic
Lightning red
Orange met
Dark grey met
Crystal black met
Galaxy blue
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[BaoTurbo]

I see you haven't talked to any Scion owners, or been in the states.

When someone asks you what car you drive, and you say "Scion FR-S", most people will not look further than the word Scion.

A Scion is a typical douche bags car, especially in the states. Usually a high school student in their senior year that thinks their car is the best thing ever.

I recommend that you fly down there and meet the Scion kids.

That's what they said to Hyundai, until now.

[Nlkko]

200HP and 151 ft pounds of torque at 6600 RPM's.

That engine better be putting 150.99 ft pounds at 2000...





I see you haven't talked to any Scion owners, or been in the states.

When someone asks you what car you drive, and you say "Scion FR-S", most people will not look further than the word Scion.

A Scion is a typical douche bags car, especially in the states. Usually a high school student in their senior year that thinks their car is the best thing ever.

I recommend that you fly down there and meet the Scion kids.

That's what Scion caters to, younger adult. Hello Project Genesis? You've got problem with the car because of the badge? Loosen up a little.

It's only your perception that "most people will not look further". Most people could give a fuck what car you drive unless it's some exotic.

Anyways.

Subaru spec leaked. (http://www.autoevolution.com/news/subaru-brz-specs-leaked-to-be-priced-at-eur30000-40038.html)


While searching the Internet for something new on the most important trio of sportscars to arrive in a long time, we came across this magazine scan on the FT-86 Club forum. While the image you see is very close to an actual production form of the Subaru BRZ, it’s just a very good rendering, but what’s really interesting is that German publication Auto Bild seems to have had a test drive with a prototype and it got a four star rating.

According to the car magazine, the BRZ will hit European showrooms in May next year and will sell for €30,000, which is a lot more than the $25,300 that it’s expected to cost in the US. However, there aren’t any real competitors that offer a rear-wheel drive focused chassis for that kind of money, and we’re also confident it will sell well.

Auto Bild says the biggest downside to the 2+2 coupe is that the interior quality isn’t all that great, and the materials look cheap. However, the most important facts they revealed is that the BRZ has 209 HP, not 200 like the FT-86, despite using the same 2.0-liter boxer engine. The unit also produces 230 Nm of torque at 4,000 rpm, and we think this has something to do with the difference between US and European versions of the car, not just between Toyota and Subaru.

The 213 HP is apparently enough to push the BRZ from 0 to 100 km/h in just 6.0 seconds (yes, that’s six seconds flat) and on to a top speed of 225 km/h (140 mph). That sounds a bit like next-gen hothatch performance, but the developers of the car did say the were fed up with the top speed war and were focusing on driving feel instead.


http://www.autoevolution.com/images/news/subaru-brz-specs-leaked-213-hp-top-speed-225-km-h-40038_1.png

[Death2Theft]

Sounds like you own a euro. Who cares what the people in the states think unless you plan on living there?
200HP and 151 ft pounds of torque at 6600 RPM's.

That engine better be putting 150.99 ft pounds at 2000...





I see you haven't talked to any Scion owners, or been in the states.

When someone asks you what car you drive, and you say "Scion FR-S", most people will not look further than the word Scion.

A Scion is a typical douche bags car, especially in the states. Usually a high school student in their senior year that thinks their car is the best thing ever.

I recommend that you fly down there and meet the Scion kids.

[death_blossom]

I haven't seen any written info on the braking set up? looks like it might be a standard 2-pot brake caliper set up on the front, and TRD is making 4-pot calipers available.

[hk20000]

^ for a 1200kg car that's plenty generous. Look at my 1400kg Accord with single front piston and rear drum brakes. :heckno:

[Lomac]

Sounds like you own a euro. Who cares what the people in the states think unless you plan on living there?

x2

Who cares what other people think in general? Buy and drive a car because you like it, not because someone told you to.

[Nlkko]

Spec leaked:

* 460mm from ground to the center of the crank/gravity (low CG)
* 53:47 F/R weight split
* 0.27 Cd (coefficient of drag)
* D-4S DI engine tech (direct injection pairs with secondary EFI)
* 1,998cc Displacement
* 200 HP
* 151.2 ft-lbs torque
* 7400rpm redline
* 12.5:1 Compression ratio
* 86mm x 86mm bore/stroke
* Mcpherson front suspension / Double wishbone rear
* Rear seats fold (as one unit)
* Cup holders can slide / be removed
* Can carry 4 tires in rear


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2505&d=1320266607

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2506&d=1320277924

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2508&d=1320278973

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2509&d=1320280202

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2510&d=1320281743

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2512&d=1320283753

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2513&d=1320284210

[Over9K]

12.5 Comp ratio.

Nice, that throws F/I out the window unless you're going to be swapping out the internals.

[ShadowBun]

sht.
just started reading this thread

looks nice.
whens the est for American release?

[Death2Theft]

Yes master of mechanical genius. You are correct had they gone for something more reasonable like 9:1 in NA form would have been much better right?
12.5 Comp ratio.

Nice, that throws F/I out the window unless you're going to be swapping out the internals.

[Glove]

that doesnt make any sense, how can a 2 litre with direct port injection and 12.5 compression,

make less horsepower than a 1.8 litre 11.5 compression itr motor?

something almost seems off?

also that means we will hafto use premium fuel,

I very much like the body style and concept of this car,

if the motor and horsepower output werent such shit I would buy one,

[Energy]

Yup, scans say it needs premium for those of you that care

[hk20000]

I like how they already have simulations of carrying 4 drift tires in the back in case you need to. LOL.

[dark0821]

that doesnt make any sense, how can a 2 litre with direct port injection and 12.5 compression,

make less horsepower than a 1.8 litre 11.5 compression itr motor?

something almost seems off?


i really think the extra revs of 9000 rpm has to do with the max engine output when comparing the ITR to the FR-S...

but ya lol... already showing you that it can carry an extra set of tires....

[Tegra_Devil]

high compression with 2.0L......minimal horse power and torque and needs premium :heckno:

am i missing the pro's here?

[Over9K]

Yes master of mechanical genius. You are correct had they gone for something more reasonable like 9:1 in NA form would have been much better right?

Thinking more like 10.5:1.

200HP N/A out of a 2.0L is very possible with that ratio, and low boost friendly as well.

[shenmecar]

they even considered "tire transport for track days"!?

im sold!

[mos_skeeto]

Looks pretty good:
LA Live: Subaru BRZ Concept- STI (http://www.leftlanenews.com/subaru-brz.html)

Again it's just a concept so not everything will make it into production. I hope the STI comes with more power.

[death_blossom]

that doesnt make any sense, how can a 2 litre with direct port injection and 12.5 compression,

make less horsepower than a 1.8 litre 11.5 compression itr motor?

something almost seems off?
high compression with 2.0L......minimal horse power and torque and needs premium :heckno:

am i missing the pro's here?

let's remember that this is Toyota that is making the engine here. Toyota always designs their motors very conservatively. I am betting that the ECU programming and camshaft profiles are dialed back for reliability and longevity. with the exception of a few engines, Toyota always builds engines that are non-interference. that means they have mild cam durations, so that always prohibits big power numbers from the factory.

cars like the ITR and other VTEC sports cars by Honda are all out sporty. they have aggressive cam profiles that definitely make good power on the high end, and make very good use of the high compression ratios.

I'm looking forward to see what the tuner market can do for the FT86. what does this engine have in terms of variable valve timing? or varible cam timing?

[twitchyzero]

stolen off friend's fb
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/314326_10150544435248222_122604953221_11698520_945 190332_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/381443_10150543998358222_122604953221_11696504_854 995872_n.jpg

from the images posted above the rear is seriously agressive as fuck
http://photos4.leftlanenews.com/photos/content/september2011/thumbnailsnew/la-subaru-brz10_653.jpg

[cctw]

subaru version looks hotter than toyota's!

[Glove]

I just want a garage or company to try and turbo the thing, to see what the rear end limits are like,

im sure the motor is nice and stout, but if the rear frame will twist under like 400whp, then the car is useless,

but if the reviews turn out that everything on the car can handle huge horse numbers without breaking, il probably buy one

[Nlkko]

It's supposed to be tuner friendly, like the Civic. That's the selling point of the car. That's why the entry price is so low and the N/A motor only pissing out 200 horses. We shall see though.

Videos:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo2ehNLueoE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8aJQhWPWW8

[RabidRat]

I just want a garage or company to try and turbo the thing, to see what the rear end limits are like,

im sure the motor is nice and stout, but if the rear frame will twist under like 400whp, then the car is useless,

but if the reviews turn out that everything on the car can handle huge horse numbers without breaking, il probably buy one

I think I'd be more worried about how much power the tranny and diff will take before blowing up, than whether the frame will twist. The car would have to be pretty under-engineered to do that.

[NashMan]

I wounder how long it will take for some to stuff a 2jz into one


you all know it will happen

[hamhead]

the car looks tiny next to the guy on the stage

[hk20000]

the car looks tiny next to the guy on the stage

It is supposed to be about the size of a Mini Cooper.... which is a tad shorter than the original AE86.... :suspicious:

[dark0821]

^ ^ Small car is a good thing.... Hehehe

[Nlkko]

It's a tiny car, Miata tiny.

Just to give you a general idea:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/jordanab/FT-86/FT_IIvsGenCvsStangvsMX5.png

[68style]

I don't pretend to be keeping totally up to date on this whole thing... but isn't it using an already available (in other countries) Subaru motor? Should be lots of info already...

[tonyzoomzoom]

miata tiny = good !!

[flagella]

that's a pretty good size. I hate heavyass cars.

[NashMan]

that's a pretty good size. I hate heavyass cars.



See the guy was right it does share thing from all the other toyota sport cars


gonna big tiny ass rear seats just like the supra.

[RabidRat]

Wow. I wasn't expecting it to that small from the pictures.

[StylinRed]

It's a tiny car, Miata tiny.

Just to give you a general idea:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/jordanab/FT-86/FT_IIvsGenCvsStangvsMX5.png
edit: whoops wrote down the wrong gen celica lol

just in case anyones wondering its about the same length as the 7th gen celica

which is 4330mm



edit2 Its the same length as the 370z which is 4240mm according to wiki

[BBMme]

I will probably buy it just because I give props to toyota for finally pulling the trigger....
even though I do like the subaru design a lot more eh

[Tegra_Devil]

I will probably buy it just because I give props to toyota for finally pulling the trigger....
even though I do like the subaru design a lot more eh

I, on the other hand will probably not buy it, and end up just buying a 06-07 WRX STI.......aspen white.....:sweetjesus:

[Glove]

I hope the sales do well enough so that they continue production into further years, and then they come out with a turbo model.

also first thing im gonna do when I get one is re-badge it to toyota,

scion?:fuckthatshit:

[68style]

So lame they badge it a Scion... other than being associated with college kids, it automatically makes the car depreciate WAY faster than it would if it had a Toyota badge... boooo

[death_blossom]

I don't pretend to be keeping totally up to date on this whole thing... but isn't it using an already available (in other countries) Subaru motor? Should be lots of info already...

no, it's a new design with direct injection and blah blah blah...

[CorneringArtist]

Not sure if this was posted, but there's an interactive website up in Shinjuku connected to a Livestream so you can see live tweets go up on the board.

FT-86 FASTEST PAINTED WEBSITE (http://fpw.toyota-digital.com/)

[Nightwalker]

So lame they badge it a Scion... other than being associated with college kids, it automatically makes the car depreciate WAY faster than it would if it had a Toyota badge... boooo

Awesome, cheap used cars!

Scion is their sporty brand, makes sense to me.

[twitchyzero]

exactly...if you aren't someone that switches cars frequently that just means you can be able to afford one a little faster from the used market
probably at an awesome value 5 years from its debut as an US import

[68style]

exactly...if you aren't someone that switches cars frequently that just means you can be able to afford one a little faster from the used market
probably at an awesome value 5 years from its debut as an US import

5 years after? You mean... right when you're probably getting married and having kids and have no room in your life for a 'sports' car? lol ;)

[Datsun]

The real deal is here!


Toyota GT-86
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_961/car_photo_480985_25.jpg
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_961/car_photo_480988_25.jpg

Toyota GT86 revealed | News | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/275758/toyota_gt86_revealed.html)


Subaru BRZ

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2823&d=1322332525
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2824&d=1322332525
Official Production Subaru BRZ Photos Revealed?! - Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota FT-86 Forum | ft86club (http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2342)

[LuHua]

Seems the Toyota version's to be called the GT 86, not bad. Now if they could just guarantee that the North American version's not going to be a Scion...

[NashMan]

what the fuck is going on with this car


I hate to say it but I not liking this stupid Colon car car shit remind me of stuiped shitty dsm

Toyota has really never shared a plat forum why the hell start now

and there looking so close to being the same



I am still holding my breath on this car so far every thing people liked about this car is getting chopped off or getting too drab


am I the only one that is on this boat

[Bender Unit]

WTH :pokerface:

"Toyota has revealed that the car will start from nearer to £30,000"

That's almost $49000 CAD

[CorneringArtist]

WTH :pokerface:

"Toyota has revealed that the car will start from nearer to £30,000"

That's almost $49000 CAD

Shit in the UK almost always costs more, don't hold that article to the NA prices.

[Nlkko]

150lb/ft. Figured. Expensive, torqueless wonder just like the Celica. That engine better response well to mod or Toyota might as well close up shops and stop trying to make sports coupe.

Price is around 25k-30k Euro. Isn't that Mustang GT/Boss territory. They're smoking serious cracks man.

I like the look but not sure if I can respect the power... at that price tag.

[Onassis]

I pray to lord that Nissan releases an S16 to fight this.

[Nlkko]

Production Prototype Spec:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3VgThmAR9Mg/TtGtYlCvUKI/AAAAAAAF6nE/McUbHOyXLQE/s1600/Untitled-1.jpg

[koukimonst3r]

I pray to lord that Nissan releases an S16 to fight this.

Now an S16 would be fricking awesome :sweetjesus:

[tofu1413]

puts the jukes turbo motor to good use
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[Glove]

it should be about 30k canadian from what I can gather,

but I wouldnt pay that much for a car that makes less horsepower than cars that came out in the 90's

[asian_XL]

it needs at least 50 more hp to become attractive to buyers.
why would someone buy a sports car with 200hp nowaday. A hyundai genesis coupe > this AE86 wannabe.

[.Renn.Sport]

The JDM name will just be "86"
TMC to Exhibit '86' Sports Car at Tokyo Motor Show | TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION GLOBAL WEBSITE (http://www2.toyota.co.jp/en/news/11/11/1127.html)

[.Renn.Sport]

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More info

[Nlkko]

Toyota GT 86 Driving Scenes - YouTube

Test driving toyota 86@fuji speedway oct 2011 - YouTube

Also reportedly capable of delivering 40mpg.

[Timpo]

Not prototype, actual production model.

http://sankei.jp.msn.com/images/news/111127/biz11112711070002-p1.jpg
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/images/news/111127/biz11112711070002-p5.jpg
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/images/news/111127/biz11112711070002-p6.jpg

[Timpo]

http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/383227.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/383222.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/383216.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/383209.jpg

[s300ae]

not a big fan of the rear, but id do her

[Bender Unit]

That's crazy loud exhaust for stock NA 4banger motor.
Did they record it from the engine bay on 2nd clip ?

[Teriyaki]

has anyone else noticed the ugly steering wheel yet?

[Timpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPeHaDb36PM

[Paradise240]

Has a really crappy stance for something sporty...

[EmperorIS]

the entire design team in toyota and honda needs to be shot

[TjAlmeida]

I like the brz better

But the wing on the navy blue 86 fills out the car better. And what is with the stock 4x4 stance.
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[keifun]

damn thats some massive fender gap. Needs to be lowered immediately!

Other than that, it looks nice. Something fun out of the Toyota lineup.

[Skyline350gt]

hmm I actually think this is sick!

The navy one reminds me of a supra hah.

[AVS_Racing]

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/13081191/images/1291858531736.jpg

[Over9K]

So.....why do people refer this to an 86?

[tofu1413]

i dont mind the engine noise.. but it seems wrong that a toyota sounds like a scooby...

2002 Subaru Impreza WRX Commercial - YouTube


at least itll sound right in the BR-Z.

KT AE86 drift show - YouTube

too bad it wont sound like a 20v swapped ae86.... those 4AG's sing a nice song in the high revs...

[jaemc]

not sure if want those tail lights

[Culture_Vulture]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/302142_262262867157340_106576446059317_796694_1157 764756_n.jpg


hmmm.... I can dig it

it does have that slick compact sporty look to it...and the taillights remind me of the Celica...which isn't necessarily a bad thing

[mercyboy]

let see Takumi Fujiwara ae86 can beat the new one.....hahah ill be seeing this on initial d battle stage or arcade very soon!!! lol lmao:fuckyea:

[.Renn.Sport]

Can't wait for mine to arrive.... Should be the first shipment to arrive in Hk! Now just need Toyota to announce the JDM pricing.... I'm expecting the car to cost around the same as the FD2-R

My frds at Revozport will be launching a whole line of carbon fiber stuff for the 86 and BRZ

[Sky_High]

Can't wait for mine to arrive.... Should be the first shipment to arrive in Hk! Now just need Toyota to announce the JDM pricing.... I'm expecting the car to cost around the same as the FD2-R

My frds at Revozport will be launching a whole line of carbon fiber stuff for the 86 and BRZ

:sleepingzz::sleepingzz:

[Lomac]

Ehhh... don't like it. It's missing something that I can't quite put my finger on it.

As for the wheel gap, it's likely due to a cheap workaround to fixing side collision ratings. You can either get a super high door panel like the 300, or you simply raise the suspension up a bit so that the cage is more in line with bumpers.

[StylinRed]

eh.... what are design teams smoking between concept and production? :/

edit: maybe they're just funny pictures.... the other thread has some nicer ones....

i dunno it feels different from the concept but when you compare the concept pics it looks pretty much the same..... getting a different vibe tho :crazy2:

[StylinRed]

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7049/8f6060a4.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5606/f8565752.jpg

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9453/a4b28042.jpg

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2632/800494ef.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6992/42c4ea41.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8783/6dc3562e.jpg

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4803/3aa91d09.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/472/58270fa7.jpg

click for wallpaper size


liking it the more i see it (we should have the threads merged....)


wonder if they'll make a celica if this does well a AWD one mmm

[Gridlock]

I don't how how I feel on that...its there, kind of but I agree, its missing a little something.

It's like the design is too complicated for it to be simple, but not complex enough to not to be simple?

What are the specs? HP torque...turbo'd out of factory? I'm assuming front wheel drive...its a toyota.

[Gridlock]

Hmm...just went and looked it up...200 hp and rear wheel drive. Who cares what it looks like, we can fix that. .

Nicely done.

[FerrariEnzo]

they should have left the iconic AE86 to rest in peace...

this looks heavy and big...

[tofu1413]

funny how they named it the 86...

mightve been better to name it the GT-S or Toyota Sprinter Trueno or smth like that.

im guessing the chassis code is forced to be FT86.



wonder if theyll make a low budget SOHC model... FT85 :troll:

[cressydrift]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/166935_10150965709575371_536225370_21309797_169395 1136_n.jpg

Looks better than the Hyundai IMO, and not as bulky as the 370z. Only problem is that I think its under powered.

[Glove]

il tell you what its missing,

100 hp

[dhari]

it seems like one person designed the front and a different person designed the back. then they met in the middle. looks very awkward. do not like

[Timpo]

Hmm...just went and looked it up...200 hp and rear wheel drive. Who cares what it looks like, we can fix that. .

Nicely done.

2.0L turbo and only 200hp? fuck that shit.

Honda had 220hp with 2.0L NA engine more than a decade ago.
or 250hp out of 2.0L NA for S2000 back in 1999.

Also Nissan Silvia had 250hp out of 2.0L too...it was way more than a decade a go. Like 15 years ago??

It needs at least 300hp for today's standard.

[donjalapeno]

euro style tailights... :fulloffuck:



Can't wait for mine to arrive.... Should be the first shipment to arrive in Hk! Now just need Toyota to announce the JDM pricing.... I'm expecting the car to cost around the same as the FD2-R

My frds at Revozport will be launching a whole line of carbon fiber stuff for the 86 and BRZ


stfu, you said you placed a order for a 2013 3series sport too.

[Energy]

I think it looks good actually. Its a modern FR. Classic shape with modern touches but not overdone like the front of the new genesis coupe.

It's really light too (I think ~2,500lbs) and has a low center of gravity so even with just 200hp you can have lots of fun with it.

[Dinan3]

I think this car will look really good after lowering it an inch or two. Finally Toyota is coming out with something sporty. This car has way better styling than a Civic Si (coupe or sedan).

[see.lai]

I am really not digging the back lights, and the subaru style steering wheel. It looks really cramped at the back as well. The concept photos looked better when it was a year ago.

[DirtySanchez]

Have to see in person to be 100% sure if i like it, but its not too bad from pics.

[Nlkko]

2.0L turbo and only 200hp? fuck that shit.

Honda had 220hp with 2.0L NA engine more than a decade ago.
or 250hp out of 2.0L NA for S2000 back in 1999.

Also Nissan Silvia had 250hp out of 2.0L too...it was way more than a decade a go. Like 15 years ago??

It needs at least 300hp for today's standard.

It's an N/A engine. There's more to a car than straight line power. You should compare this to an MX-5 because it's just as small (weigh about 200lb more) and I don't see anybody complaining about the MX-5.

Bolt-ons tubos isn't out of the question though.

[donjalapeno]

its obviously a race to see who can make the best 2.0T....first it was vdub then hyundai and now toyota.....i wouldnt be suprised if nissan and honda played too.

[death_blossom]

it needs at least 50 more hp to become attractive to buyers.
why would someone buy a sports car with 200hp nowaday. A hyundai genesis coupe > this AE86 wannabe.

I think the price will be the key thing to attract buyers. I think with the horsepower that it has, this car is likely to start at $25,995 or something.

let's also note that this car is smalllll. it's only 1~2 inches longer than the original AE86.

[TjAlmeida]

Is there any news on price range in Canada?
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[bcrdukes]

Not sure why everybody is doubting this car.

The original AE86 was never fast but it has a capability of out-handling so many other cars. The chassis was rigid and perfect for drifting or track racing. And that 4A-GE's redline isn't exactly low. It's quite up there. If you don't drive the car beyond 3000rpm, you should have no say.

And let's not forget cars like the Toyota MR-S. People think it's slow (yeah it sort of is) but will outhandle most of your cars and its braking abilities are amazing. Throw in a 2ZZ-GE and you've got some competition with other cars in its class.

Oh yeah, everybody laughed at the Miata. Everybody is jumping on the bandwagon buying one now. Every other car or two at AutoX is now a Miata. :rolleyes:

[Adrenaline Rush]

I think it looks good actually. Its a modern FR. Classic shape with modern touches but not overdone like the front of the new genesis coupe.

It's really light too (I think ~2,500lbs) and has a low center of gravity so even with just 200hp you can have lots of fun with it.

It seem to be tough finding the official weight of the car - some say it's higher at 2700-2800 lbs. I'll be quite surprised if they can get it down to 2500..

[eurochevy]

diggin the sti style interior though, but everything else including engine specs is meh

[Ludepower]

atleast I'll give props to Toyota for coming out with a new sporty model. Usually they dont make the company any money and more so for their image.

Honda killeded the type R, prelude, rsx, s2000, NSX all for the sake of money.

[hk20000]

I'm rather surprised that it's going to be straight up called the "86" tbh....Coz that's what I reckon they should do if they were to resurrect the AE86 when it was like 2003 when the first news of Toyota's plan to resurrect the car was on BestCar or some bs Japanese mags.... Something along the line of "why don't they just call it the 'Toyota Hachiroku' LOL"

And lo-and-behold there it is.

[BEEB]

Once Subaru drop in the STI engine into this thing, it will sell like hot cakes ! And you will easily see this thing with 350hp (stage II map) zooming in Richmond and end up in ditches !

[dangonay]

Light weight (if they meet their targets) and RWD make this an automatic winner. Getting sick of FWD only cars or AWD cars made from FWD cars.

[0112358]

so when is this coming to Canada / US if ever?

[0112358]

http://image.motortrend.com/f/34629497+w786+ar1/2013-Subaru-BRZ-prototype-front-three-quarters.jpg

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201111/toyota-gt-86-4_600x0w.jpg

so what's the deal ... is it going to be the same car from both subaru and toyota? subaru is promising 300hp though...

[Timpo]

so when is this coming to Canada / US if ever?


It'll be coming to the US as Scion FR-S

http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/325727.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/325719.jpg
http://response.jp/imgs/zoom/325721.jpg

[.Renn.Sport]

stfu, you said you placed a order for a 2013 3series sport too.

I change cars faster than you changing your dirty under wear

I also happened to ordered a Panamera GTS, GT3 RS 4.0, Still thinking if I should get the upgraded 2012 GTR

I should be getting at least 4 new cars in the 1/4 of 2012

[bcrdukes]

For fuck sakes, hyde! :facepalm:

[SpuGen]

Can't we just ban him from VAC?