[K-Dub]

Good pics man. Just curious if you saw how it all got started?
I just heard others on the roof say "FIGHT!!" and I turned around and started snapping. No idea of how it happened or where the guys went after.

[Ronin]

+1 to everything Ronin said. I love photojournalism, being part of it and documenting it. I'm not about to stop a riot or a fight from happening, nor would I be able to, so I'm doing what I can, which is taking pictures. If something this big is happening, I'm not gonna pass it up.

Totally. I was there but I didn't take part, I didn't cheer, I barely even spoke to anyone other than my friends. We're there to observe, not participate. Some of my friend's parents were talking to me today, saying I probably shouldn't have gone down but I told them I don't feel bad about it and I'd do it again today if there was another. Not enough people get it. I guess it's because not enough people have a hobby they're passionate enough about.

[spoon.ek9]

you can't judge whether someone had morals or whether they would riot/act like an idiot when they are drunk or in a mob of people just because they are a "cool guy". There are alot of people who are "cool" and seem "nice". Most people know how to put on a professional act in front of people they don't know/ at work, school etc. There are people who are dicks all around 24/7, but I am sure that most of the people that were involved in the riots will have family and friends that say they are shocked that they acted the way they do. I am not justifying their acts, but I am just saying that no one can really predict how someone will act if they are intoxicated if they only know them outside of their close friends.

i just want to make it clear that i'm not defending this guy in anyway either. the point i was trying to make was i only talked to the guy once and for a few mins and there was something that seemed odd about him to me back then (probably a year ago now).

i can understand your point about people being two faced with a professional appearance and a douche bag persona outside of work. we all know alcohol impairs your judgment but there is a limit to that. drunk people are aware of what they're doing in many cases and use it as an excuse to say "oh, i was drunk, didn't know that happened".

[Ronin]

Ignorant Couple on facebook!

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2623/fbriot.jpg

What an idiot.

P.S., if you are this stupid, I will probably remove you from here. We don't need pro-riot trash making REVscene any stupider than it already is.

[Harvey Specter]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5117/5838841176_630cce60b5_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5109/5838290211_2fb5530df4_b.jpg



I know I shouldn't be laughing but the guy punching that idiot with the Sedin jersey was epic, haha LOL.

[AlphaKappa]

Ignorant Couple on facebook!

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2623/fbriot.jpg

it's people like that that make me wonder why they even exist on this planet

[GodZilla]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHI869hhMB0

new vid so it didn't embed properly. Peter Chao basically goes off about Vancouver Riot Interesting how he only names three whites guys and calls them trash, but he forget Tim Kwong and the guy in the green top who lit a car on fire in the underground. Peter C your a douche.

[GodZilla]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2FtREdCFNk&feature=player_embedded#at=129Nice to see there was some good that happened on that night.

[Shades]

What an idiot.

P.S., if you are this stupid, I will probably remove you from here. We don't need pro-riot trash making REVscene any stupider than it already is.

Send this to the authorities. I hope if Buk Daa Laww or Linh Tee calls the police, fire dpt, ambulance that they reply to them "Oh, I'm sorry, you will have to wait. We don't have enough cars because so many were destroyed by rioters you support. Can your stroke wait?"

:moderatorban:

[EX-R]

What an idiot.

P.S., if you are this stupid, I will probably remove you from here. We don't need pro-riot trash making REVscene any stupider than it already is.

i think you have it all wrong...please dont assume i support pro riot comments. I was posting that conversion to expose people like Linh Tee and Buckk Daa Laww and their idiotic pro riot comments and humiliate them to fellow Vancouverites. i think people should be held accountable for what they say and that if they had the audacity to say such thing, then they should feel the heat they'll get for saying something SO disgraceful and disrespectful. and if their employers find out about this, even better.

[Gnomes]

Ronin probably missed the part where you called the couple "ignorant"

[mb_]

So fucking hard to follow this thread but the Kotylaks have fled their home :troll:

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Apologetic+rioter+family+threatened+flees+home/4972481/story.html

The family of a teen seen attempting to light a police car on fire during the Stanley Cup riot has fled their Maple Ridge home as threats against the teenager mount, their lawyer said Sunday.

Athlete Nathan Kotylak, 17, was caught holding a lighted shirt to the gas tank of a police car in a photo that circulated online following the riot.

He was quickly identified through Internet posts, and waived his rights as a young offender by going public with an apology on Saturday evening.

Kotylak turned himself into police before issuing a statement apologizing for his actions, lawyer Bart Findlay said Sunday.

Though the teen, a noted water-polo athlete, has not been charged by police, Findlay said the family has been the target of serious harassment and threats that has left them afraid to stay in their home.

“A lot of nasty things have come through on social networks,” he said. “Things like their home address posted, and people saying they’re going to come over and pay [Kotylak] a visit.”

“We can all visually see the mob mentality that took place after the game, and that seems to be perpetuating through social media.”

Police have been notified of the threats, Findlay added.

In the statement, Kotylak said he expects to face the consequences of his actions during the riot following the Vancouver Canucks’ Stanley Cup final loss to the Boston Bruins.

“What I did was dumb,” he said. “I have let my family and friends down, and I will face the consequences and take responsibility for my actions.”

Kotylak did not identify any specific actions in his statement, though Findlay said there is “clear evidence” that shows the teen was not the person who ultimately set the police car on fire.

Findlay said Kotylak feels “horrendous” about his involvement in the riot following the hockey game.

“It doesn’t represent his true character,” the lawyer said.

ssullivan@theprovince.com

twitter.com/seanpatricks



Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Apologetic+rioter+family+threatened+flees+home/4972481/story.html#ixzz1Pm6qbIBQ

[bing]

i think you have it all wrong...please dont assume i support pro riot comments. I was posting that conversion to expose people like Linh Tee and Buckk Daa Laww and their idiotic pro riot comments and humiliate them to fellow Vancouverites. i think people should be held accountable for what they say and that if they had the audacity to say such thing, then they should feel the heat they'll get for saying something SO disgraceful and disrespectful. and if their employers find out about this, even better.

I think what Ronin is getting at is that if anyone on RS is like that person in the chat that EX-R posted, he would remove them. Though I have to admit the way it was worded made it initially confusing like the OP was being targeted.

[Aleks]

it'd be even better if someone printed these and handed them out downtown hah

Honestly, im willing to do this....anyone else wanna help?

[ajei]

In some of these vids/stories i notice mentions of 'political statements' and that to an extent that the riot was preplanned by a few. If any, what kind of political statement were people trying to make??? i don't get it...or is it just an idiots excuse to destroy stuff?

[StylinRed]

So fucking hard to follow this thread but the Kotylaks have fled their home :troll:

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Apologetic+rioter+family+threatened+flees+home/4972481/story.html

not saying it didnt happen but that sounds like bs to make it look like they're being persecuted/punished. fishing for sympathy

it sounds like they're just reading online comments and feeling threatened by them; nothings actually happened @/to their home

[ajei]

not saying it didnt happen but that sounds like bs to make it look like they're being persecuted/punished. fishing for sympathy

it sounds like they're just reading online comments and feeling threatened by them; nothings actually happened @/to their home
the police should goto his house and flip/lightup his cars; and the employees of The Bay and LV should go crazy on the windows of his house :troll:

[MrGoodbar]

alot of these ppl must not have been punished as kids...
http://static.traderscity.com/board/userpix9/7142-leather-brown-belt-men-1.jpg

alot of these people probably just haven't been punished with the buckle end

[Bonjour43MA]

... From what I saw though, G20 wasn't bad compared to Vancouver at all.

G20 was nowhere as bad as this riot for the following reasons:

- the G20 rioters did not attack by-standers or random people
- the G20 rioters focused on big corporation stores (The Bay, Starbucks, etc)
- the G20 rioters were a large group of organized people that did most of the work, whereas ours had just random morons/douchebags/idiots joining in throughout the riot
- from what I could remember, very minimal looting of stores took place at the G20 riot

There were WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more police presence at the G20 protest/riot then what we had here. VPD should be glad that they were able to contain it within just a few hours... probably cuz most of these rioters are simply cowards in real life to begin with.

[Bonjour43MA]

So fucking hard to follow this thread but the Kotylaks have fled their home :troll:

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Apologetic+rioter+family+threatened+flees+home/4972481/story.html


This is what you can get with money and a good lawyer. Well played.... well played... It's sad that there's a chance that he will not get much punishment, judging by the way his lawyer and family are spinning this event; "he did not burn the car", "the fire he tried to start did not set the car on fire", "he feels sorry and embarrassed and was simply caught up in the moment"... then slowly turning public perception by releasing all these "news" evens through the media, "we are being harassed", "we don't feel safe because we're being threatened"...

WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT. Just man up, accept that you were a moron for doing what you did (not the bullshit statement like oh my fire didn't acutally burn the cop's car), and accept the consequences.

Sorry but I can't give him the benefit of the doubt just yet... anything him and his family (and his lawyer) are trying to do now is just tactics used to get sympathy from people and the crown prosecutor (in hopes that no charges will be laid).

Well played by their lawyer, but Pathetic nonetheless.

[RiceIntegraRS]

I just wanted to say the real vigilantes are still out there, the ones that went downtown strictly to cause trouble whether we won or lost the game and probably will never be caught which sucks. The people that are being caught are just people who made an error in judgement, people who just got caught up int he mob mentality and yes they should suffer the consesquences but i honestly dont believe there lives should be turned upside down cause of this.

But the positive out of this is that everyone is gonna think twice in doing something this stupid ever again and im hoping if put in the same situation again. The crowds will turn on the shitstarters instead of the defenders of the city.

[Bonjour43MA]

I also find the notion that "the fire he started didn't burn the car, therefore he was not guilty" mentality that his lawyer and supporters are trying to present. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? Just because the car didn't acutally burn up from his attemp to light it, doesn't mean that he's not guilty of the act itself.

It's like saying, "Oh, I didn't really mean to try to kill someone because I put the ammo in backwards in my gun and therefore it didn't fire when I put the gun to that person's head and pulled the trigger". Is there a charge for attempted arson? If anything he should at least be charged with that. There are other photos and videos of him setting fire to a garbage can as well... so I"m sure the VPD knows clearly on what he did and didn't do.

The biggest injustice that could come out of this is for his big money lawyer to con his way out of this whole thing and the kid is not charged with ANYTHING. Unfortunately that's probably what will happen to a lot of these people.. a slap on the wrist, some community service hours, and back to their lives as if nothing's really happened.

[kluk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHI869hhMB0

new vid so it didn't embed properly. Peter Chao basically goes off about Vancouver Riot

I fucking hate Peter Chao.

[Soundy]

In some of these vids/stories i notice mentions of 'political statements' and that to an extent that the riot was preplanned by a few. If any, what kind of political statement were people trying to make??? i don't get it...or is it just an idiots excuse to destroy stuff?

For some, I expect it's to make a "statement" against the police - if the cops stand back and try to keep things calm, they're useless and impotent... if they step up and bust heads, they're brutal and evil.

And I think some of them just wanted to cause mayhem.

I posted this on my friend's blog (http://cuntinglinguist.com/2011/06/big-brother-vancouver-my-thoughts-on-crowd-surveillance.html):

There’s a big us-or-them dichotomy happening that I think is really unfortunate, because it detracts from a big part of the underlying cause. The whole “it was anarchists/no it was just fans” thing is ridiculous — it was BOTH, of course.

I don’t recall the VPD ever claiming it was ONLY anarchists — they stated it was INCITED by a group INCLUDING anarchists, some of whom they said were the same ones who tried (and failed) to start a riot the opening weekend of the Olympics.

Nobody’s denying that it didn’t spread to “the common man”… but when you have that many people in close proximity, extreme amounts of alcohol, a heartbreaking rallying point (in this case, the loss of a championship game, but it could be anything), and enough peer pressure to crush a city… there was one big human Molotov cocktail stewing, and it didn’t take much of a spark to set it off. And THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE WITH THE SOLE INTENT OF PROVIDING THAT SPARK.

So let’s place the blame where it belongs: ON BOTH GROUPS. And maybe a little on the city and the police for being under-prepared. And honestly, a little on the media for spending the last two months speculating on the possibility of something happening, thus handily planting some seeds that had been germinating for weeks. (That leads to a whole other rant that I won’t even get into here).

[Domani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHI869hhMB0

once in a while... one would have to agree with peter chow.

[Nightwalker]

These people were probably beaten or neglected as kids honestly.

[ww]

Camille Cacnio's story.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/young-people-seek-forgiveness-after-vancouvers-stanley-cup-riots/article2067208/

Camille Cacnio didn’t set any fires on the night of the Vancouver riots. She didn’t jump on a police car or smash any windows. But when the University of British Columbia student walked over shards of glass into the smashed up Black & Lee formal wear shop and took two pair of men’s pants – some of the few items left on the store’s shelves – she became another face of the unrest that is now splashed across websites around the world.

The consequences have been swift and harsh for her and others whose actions were caught on camera during Wednesday night’s riots, even though police say they have yet to lay any formal charges related to the riot as of Sunday.

Social media has become the sheriff of this unlawful event, in essence rounding up a number of rioters by posting their pictures on the Internet and encouraging people to identify the people in them. That has led to online shaming of those named, some of whom have since turned themselves into police and are lining up to publicly apologize online.

Ms. Cacnio said in an interview that she confessed to police over the weekend, and was told they’ll deal with her case at a later date. She also lost the part-time job she held for two years as a receptionist at a Vancouver car dealership.

The biology major has also lost many friends and acquaintances, all because of what she calls one alcohol-fuelled mistake she made after getting swept up in Wednesday’s riot.

“I fully admit to my mistake now, but the way I saw it at the time was that everyone was vandalizing, everyone was burning things. … At the time, I thought, ‘This would be funny if I took a souvenir’ because this is completely out of character,” Ms. Cacnio said.

Still, Ms. Cacnio believes the online backlash has gone too far in some instances. In her case, it’s the negative publicity now surrounding the Enspire Foundation, a charity she was once involved in. She said some online postings have recommended donations be directed elsewhere.

“The whole social media thing ... it’s great that people are trying to help catch and identify people, but it has become a problem in that people are actually ruining people’s lives. The consequences are far greater than they need to be,” Ms. Cacnio said.

[Chronix]

Gotta love how these people and the JOURNALISTS who write these stories turned it around and blamed the people who picked them out. If nothing was reported, I bet that ho Cacnio would not apologize, same with the water fag guy.

[scottsman]

^

boo fucking hoo. 99% of people wouldn't turn themselves in if they didn't get caught... and I am one of them. Who the fuck would actually go to the police and admit to something there was no evidence of? The people like Camille who were caught... well that is too bad. You made the choice to get involved and unfortunately for you this is the punishment you are getting, lynched by people on social media.

[minoru_tanaka]

^

boo fucking hoo. 99% of people wouldn't turn themselves in if they didn't get caught... and I am one of them.

Shows your character

[firebird79_00]

Dont know if this has been posted already
http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Apologetic+rioter+family+threatened+flees+home/4972481/story.html

Pretty much his family has been getting threats

"Though the teen, a noted water-polo athlete, has not been charged by police, Findlay said the family has been the target of serious harassment and threats that has left them afraid to stay in their home."

[wingies]

"The consequences are far greater than they need to be,” Ms. Cacnio said.

Lol fuck that shit, the consequences for them is just starting

[shawn79]

Ignorant Couple on facebook!

Edit: Friend who showed me this forgot to mention to me that this girl's full name is Linda Tuyen

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2623/fbriot.jpg

thats too bad... i went to high school with that girl

u guys interested in pix? :whistle:

[Spidey]

thats too bad... i went to high school with that girl

u guys interested in pix? :whistle:

dooooooooooooooo it

[$_$]

^

boo fucking hoo. 99% of people wouldn't turn themselves in if they didn't get caught... and I am one of them. Who the fuck would actually go to the police and admit to something there was no evidence of? The people like Camille who were caught... well that is too bad. You made the choice to get involved and unfortunately for you this is the punishment you are getting, lynched by people on social media.

quoted in case he chose to edit

I bet your one of those faggots that love bragging to other people how "hardcore" you are. The reason you haven't got arrested yet? Because you were too pussy to actually do anything while you were there even though you wanted to.

[shawn79]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150174102662167&set=t.709315242&type=1&theater

:whistle:

[shawnly1000]

"The consequences are far greater than they need to be,” Ms. Cacnio said.

Lol fuck that shit, the consequences for them is just starting

Funny how somebody who's accused of committing a crime thinks that they have the right to weigh in on whether the punishment is too harsh.

[drunkrussian]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150174102662167&set=t.709315242&type=1&theater

:whistle:


^some trashy looking motherfuckas. Matches the string of fb comments i suppose

[GLOW]

i love all the responses of people that take part in the riots and try to alleviate responsibility. my response would be what peter chao said:

"ru fuck wif karma, karma will fuck ru up"

:fuckyea::fuckyea::fuckyea::fuckyea::fuckyea:

now they are all :alone: and upset

http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/2/2/8/3/8/3/t2958010-15-thumb-obamam-lol-y-u-mad-tho.jpg?d=1262150055

[Bonjour43MA]

Camille Cacnio's story.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/young-people-seek-forgiveness-after-vancouvers-stanley-cup-riots/article2067208/

What a joke, this shows that she hasn't learned anything yet and STILL believes that she was innocent by hiding behind alcohol and drunkenness as her reason for stealing.

They need to be punished and be set an example of so that all other idiots out there that may have done the same will now THINK TWICE before they do anything stupid.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150174102662167&set=t.709315242&type=1&theater

:whistle:
http://i.imgur.com/Dlp2U.png

[scottsman]

Tanaka and $_$ I think you are full of shit if you say you would turn yourselves in with someone having absolutely no proof that you did it. Same goes to anyone that failed me. Which was my point; people are turning themselves in and apologizing only because of evidence against them.

quoted in case he chose to edit

I bet your one of those faggots that love bragging to other people how "hardcore" you are. The reason you haven't got arrested yet? Because you were too pussy to actually do anything while you were there even though you wanted to.


why would I edit it? BTW I haven't lived in Vancouver for over 5 years, Canada, or North America soooo... I probably didn't have anything to do with the riot. Good try though big guy....

[ecchiecchi]

Camille Cacnio's story.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/young-people-seek-forgiveness-after-vancouvers-stanley-cup-riots/article2067208/

Lol. Maybe next time she thinks of doing something morally wrong, she would think about the consequences and everything she represents.

[minoru_tanaka]

Tanaka and $_$ I think you are full of shit if you say you would turn yourselves in with someone having absolutely no proof that you did it. Same goes to anyone that failed me. Which was my point; people are turning themselves in and apologizing only because of evidence against them.



why would I edit it? BTW I haven't lived in Vancouver for over 5 years, Canada, or North America soooo... I probably didn't have anything to do with the riot. Good try though big guy....

You're not sure? You "probably didn't have anything to do with the riot"?

[spideyv2]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150174102662167&set=t.709315242&type=1&theater

:whistle:

lol i seen that buck da law guy around before, he looks hella familiar

[$_$]

Tanaka and $_$ I think you are full of shit if you say you would turn yourselves in with someone having absolutely no proof that you did it. Same goes to anyone that failed me. Which was my point; people are turning themselves in and apologizing only because of evidence against them.



why would I edit it? BTW I haven't lived in Vancouver for over 5 years, Canada, or North America soooo... I probably didn't have anything to do with the riot. Good try though big guy....

Lol. You completely missed the point. I'm not full of shit because I would've never been there in the first place; I was downtown that day, and I left because there was no reason to get in the way of the police as they were trying to deal with the problem. No one is disputing with you over the fact that they are only turning themselves only because they got caught. We are failing you because YOU are saying that you WERE there, but you haven't got caught. I'm telling you, stop acting like a hardcore faggot that thinks its "cool" to be part of the riot. Just look at all those people that posted status updates and got fired from their job regardless if they had to deal with the police or not. So you haven't lived in Vancouver for five years, but somehow "you were one of them", implying that you were part of the riot but you haven't got caught? What are you trying to say?

[Harvey Specter]

Ok, I've been calling to have some of these guys pay the price for their crimes but I think it's going too far when people start threatening family members and the suspects themselves. Let the cops and the courts deal with it, you're no different than these punks when you start this vigilante shit.

[scottsman]

@Tanaka, I have been in so many riots I often forget which ones I got involved in.

But yeah after watching the Canucks lose I decided to hop on a plane in Vietnam and some how make it back to Vancouver just in time to light some cop cars on fire. :speechless:

The riots pissed me off and I have already reported the only person I recognized in the Video. The point was that the people turning themselves in are only doing it because they were caught or know of evidence against them. The vast vast majority of people would not turn themselves in unless they knew of evidence/Video against them. I have no problem saying that I am one of them. It is absolutely ridiculous for you to sit at your computer and imply that you would turn yourself in with no evidence against you.

[scottsman]

boo fucking hoo. 99% of people wouldn't turn themselves in if they didn't get caught... and I am one of them. Who the fuck would actually go to the police and admit to something there was no evidence of? The people like Camille who were caught... well that is too bad. You made the choice to get involved and unfortunately for you this is the punishment you are getting, lynched by people on social media.

Where does it say anywhere in this that I was there? When I said I was "one of them" I meant in coming forth to the police if there was no evidence against me.

and for the last time I DO NOT LIVE IN CANADA!!!

[minoru_tanaka]

It is absolutely ridiculous for you to sit at your computer and imply that you would turn yourself in with no evidence against you.

Well this is the reason I failed you. You've never done something, left no trace but felt guilty enough to come forward and admit it. And you find it "absolutely ridiculous" that people would.

[GrapeDrink]

What a joke, this shows that she hasn't learned anything yet and STILL believes that she was innocent by hiding behind alcohol and drunkenness as her reason for stealing.

They need to be punished and be set an example of so that all other idiots out there that may have done the same will now THINK TWICE before they do anything stupid.

It's a joke how they are all using alcohol and drunkenness as a shield, like did someone force you to drink with a gun to your head? you made the choice to go downtown and get wasted and now you have to live with the consequences of that decision. I don't get why they all think claiming to be drunk will work as some get out of jail free card and everyone should just forgive them and move on lol.

[Matlock]

^Exactly. People who kill or rape while under the influence of drugs or alcohol have to live with the consequences. Rioters, under the influence or not should have to take responsibility for their actions.

[snowball]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150174102662167&set=t.709315242&type=1&theater

:whistle:

Why are they pro-riot? Look at what the riot did to their faces.

[Harvey Specter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHI869hhMB0

once in a while... one would have to agree with peter chow.

This guy needed a beat down during the riots.

RS beat down crew?

[K-Dub]

It's a joke how they are all using alcohol and drunkenness as a shield, like did someone force you to drink with a gun to your head? you made the choice to go downtown and get wasted and now you have to live with the consequences of that decision. I don't get why they all think claiming to be drunk will work as some get out of jail free card and everyone should just forgive them and move on lol.
Just a thought, riots are alcohol fueled.

No riots have ever occurred due to 420.

[Toeknee]

IMHO the punishment and consequence should somewhat be proportional to the damage/crime done by the individual. The shit that Camille Cacnio girl did was essentially shoplifting, by taking advantage of the chaos during the riot. She probably wouldn't have lost most of her friends, her job, and possibly be expelled from UBC if it was just a regular shoplift, because the media wouldn't blow it up as big as this.

The same goes for the Jason Li kid. For hitting the already-shattered glasses at BMO, he's now become a face of humiliation and his life's course has totally derailed. IMHO this is a LOT more harsh than the jail time or fines that the surrey trashes would be receiving, because this kid probably has much more to lose than those guys.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not defending the rioters/looters, and I'm glad they're being punished this way. This will make sure that kids in the future would not commit the same mistake. In the mean time, a part of me feel sorry for them, and wished they could have learned this lesson without totally fucking up their lives

[vafanculo]

IMHO the punishment and consequence should somewhat be proportional to the damage/crime done by the individual. The shit that Camille Cacnio girl did was essentially shoplifting, by taking advantage of the chaos during the riot. She probably wouldn't have lost most of her friends, her job, and possibly be expelled from UBC if it was just a regular shoplift, because the media wouldn't blow it up as big as this.

The same goes for the Jason Li kid. For hitting the already-shattered glasses at BMO, he's now become a face of humiliation and his life's course has totally derailed. IMHO this is a LOT more harsh than the jail time or fines that the surrey trashes would be receiving, because this kid probably has much more to lose than those guys.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not defending the rioters/looters, and I'm glad they're being punished this way. This will make sure that kids in the future would not commit the same mistake. In the mean time, a part of me feel sorry for them, and wished they could have learned this lesson without totally fucking up their lives

I dunno, to be honest there are times when I kinda have the same feelings as you, but then on the other hand, I think FUCK YOU (not you..the rioters), you treat our city like its a GTA game, no respect, causing and chanting on for MORE damage to our city just so you can have something to do on a weekday night.

Ontop of that, everyone who was there and not defending people/property, single handily are responsible for ruining vancouvers image, even the late night shows are making vancouver jokes now.

That wasn't a quiet in and out shoplifting, that was crime upon epic measures, and they deserve to have epic consequences.

I don't care about what punishment they get in the court of law- most of these people are not career criminals who will benefit from going to jail, some of them are scholars and athletes, im much happier they are instead publicly scrutinized for something so selfish and dumb that is making us a laughing stock.

[Ronin]

i think you have it all wrong...please dont assume i support pro riot comments. I was posting that conversion to expose people like Linh Tee and Buckk Daa Laww and their idiotic pro riot comments and humiliate them to fellow Vancouverites. i think people should be held accountable for what they say and that if they had the audacity to say such thing, then they should feel the heat they'll get for saying something SO disgraceful and disrespectful. and if their employers find out about this, even better.

No, I'm not implying YOU are stupid. I know what you're doing.

I'm saying in general. People who are pro-riot around here I will probably remove.

I think what Ronin is getting at is that if anyone on RS is like that person in the chat that EX-R posted, he would remove them. Though I have to admit the way it was worded made it initially confusing like the OP was being targeted.

Yeah, that.

[gars]

IMHO the punishment and consequence should somewhat be proportional to the damage/crime done by the individual. The shit that Camille Cacnio girl did was essentially shoplifting, by taking advantage of the chaos during the riot. She probably wouldn't have lost most of her friends, her job, and possibly be expelled from UBC if it was just a regular shoplift, because the media wouldn't blow it up as big as this.

The same goes for the Jason Li kid. For hitting the already-shattered glasses at BMO, he's now become a face of humiliation and his life's course has totally derailed. IMHO this is a LOT more harsh than the jail time or fines that the surrey trashes would be receiving, because this kid probably has much more to lose than those guys.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not defending the rioters/looters, and I'm glad they're being punished this way. This will make sure that kids in the future would not commit the same mistake. In the mean time, a part of me feel sorry for them, and wished they could have learned this lesson without totally fucking up their lives

If they ever get charged, judges will actually take that into account.

I remember this woman who lived downtown at the water. There were big trees lining the street, one that was blocking her view - so she decided to poison it, so it would die and get chopped down. Of course, she gets caught - and word spreads. And sure enough, it was the public lynching that really got her. She received death threats, she got shit (literally shit) thrown at her place.

She actually did go to court - and the judge said, you have received enough public humiliation, so I will only fine you the amount it will cost to have a new tree planted.

The woman has since moved because her neighbours would spit at her on the street.


I have a feeling this would happen to anybody who would actually get charged after this is all said and done.

[ecchiecchi]

IMHO the punishment and consequence should somewhat be proportional to the damage/crime done by the individual. The shit that Camille Cacnio girl did was essentially shoplifting, by taking advantage of the chaos during the riot. She probably wouldn't have lost most of her friends, her job, and possibly be expelled from UBC if it was just a regular shoplift, because the media wouldn't blow it up as big as this.

The same goes for the Jason Li kid. For hitting the already-shattered glasses at BMO, he's now become a face of humiliation and his life's course has totally derailed. IMHO this is a LOT more harsh than the jail time or fines that the surrey trashes would be receiving, because this kid probably has much more to lose than those guys.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not defending the rioters/looters, and I'm glad they're being punished this way. This will make sure that kids in the future would not commit the same mistake. In the mean time, a part of me feel sorry for them, and wished they could have learned this lesson without totally fucking up their lives

In a way they were kinda asking for it? Who asked them to commit such a stupid crime when the world is watching?

[Ronin]

Shows your character

No, he's somewhat right. If you knew you wouldn't get caught and no one would know, would you commit a crime? Anyone that says they wouldn't even think about it is a liar. That's just human nature and some of us are just smart enough to know to keep it under wraps.

[Ronin]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150174102662167&set=t.709315242&type=1&theater

:whistle:

Does that hair remind you of anyone?

http://www.revscene.net/forums/barber-really-ed-t647838.html

:troll:

[Osaka]

IMHO the punishment and consequence should somewhat be proportional to the damage/crime done by the individual. The shit that Camille Cacnio girl did was essentially shoplifting, by taking advantage of the chaos during the riot. She probably wouldn't have lost most of her friends, her job, and possibly be expelled from UBC if it was just a regular shoplift, because the media wouldn't blow it up as big as this.

The same goes for the Jason Li kid. For hitting the already-shattered glasses at BMO, he's now become a face of humiliation and his life's course has totally derailed. IMHO this is a LOT more harsh than the jail time or fines that the surrey trashes would be receiving, because this kid probably has much more to lose than those guys.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not defending the rioters/looters, and I'm glad they're being punished this way. This will make sure that kids in the future would not commit the same mistake. In the mean time, a part of me feel sorry for them, and wished they could have learned this lesson without totally fucking up their lives

I for one don't feel sorry at all for any of these rioters/looters. No one gives them the right to damage other people's property or steal things that don't belong to them. If they're out there roaming the streets of downtown they should have some sense of what's right and what's wrong..no excuses. They give us, Vancouverites who are against these riots a bad name and tarnish the reputation of our city. I feel no matter how big or small the crime is they must be punished to the fullest that the law allows. Hopefully it will knock some sense into people in general to think very carefully about the serious consequences before getting "caught up in the moment" and doing something stupid. They all deserve the humiliation they've brought upon themselves, no one else to blame but themselves. Imagine this: inviting someone over to watch the game, we lose or win the game/series and this person goes ape shit in your house breaking things, setting things on fire, stealing stuff from your home and leaving it in a big mess, wouldn't you be pissed? Could you really feel sorry for these kinda people afterwards?

[Nlkko]

IMHO the punishment and consequence should somewhat be proportional to the damage/crime done by the individual. The shit that Camille Cacnio girl did was essentially shoplifting, by taking advantage of the chaos during the riot. She probably wouldn't have lost most of her friends, her job, and possibly be expelled from UBC if it was just a regular shoplift, because the media wouldn't blow it up as big as this.

The same goes for the Jason Li kid. For hitting the already-shattered glasses at BMO, he's now become a face of humiliation and his life's course has totally derailed. IMHO this is a LOT more harsh than the jail time or fines that the surrey trashes would be receiving, because this kid probably has much more to lose than those guys.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not defending the rioters/looters, and I'm glad they're being punished this way. This will make sure that kids in the future would not commit the same mistake. In the mean time, a part of me feel sorry for them, and wished they could have learned this lesson without totally fucking up their lives

Sorry, no more slap on the wrist. This isn't elementary school. Thank you to rioters for apologizing and welcome to jail, assholes.

I would be mad if that water polo kid Nathan ended up getting on a national team. Would that be a fucking joke to Canada? "Former rioter and police vehicle vandal made national team". Don't know about you but I think so.

[bcrdukes]

If they ever get charged, judges will actually take that into account.

I remember this woman who lived downtown at the water. There were big trees lining the street, one that was blocking her view - so she decided to poison it, so it would die and get chopped down. Of course, she gets caught - and word spreads. And sure enough, it was the public lynching that really got her. She received death threats, she got shit (literally shit) thrown at her place.

She actually did go to court - and the judge said, you have received enough public humiliation, so I will only fine you the amount it will cost to have a new tree planted.

The woman has since moved because her neighbours would spit at her on the street.


I have a feeling this would happen to anybody who would actually get charged after this is all said and done.

I remember this. It was big news and wasn't the woman who carried out the poisoning of the trees a celebrity of some sort? Anyway, she paid quite dearly. Financially, morally, and emotionally. Those trees cost I believe $10,000 or $15,000 - each.

[spoon.ek9]

IMHO the punishment and consequence should somewhat be proportional to the damage/crime done by the individual. The shit that Camille Cacnio girl did was essentially shoplifting, by taking advantage of the chaos during the riot. She probably wouldn't have lost most of her friends, her job, and possibly be expelled from UBC if it was just a regular shoplift, because the media wouldn't blow it up as big as this.

The same goes for the Jason Li kid. For hitting the already-shattered glasses at BMO, he's now become a face of humiliation and his life's course has totally derailed. IMHO this is a LOT more harsh than the jail time or fines that the surrey trashes would be receiving, because this kid probably has much more to lose than those guys.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not defending the rioters/looters, and I'm glad they're being punished this way. This will make sure that kids in the future would not commit the same mistake. In the mean time, a part of me feel sorry for them, and wished they could have learned this lesson without totally fucking up their lives

I for one don't feel sorry at all for any of these rioters/looters. No one gives them the right to damage other people's property or steal things that don't belong to them. If they're out there roaming the streets of downtown they should have some sense of what's right and what's wrong..no excuses. They give us, Vancouverites who are against these riots a bad name and tarnish the reputation of our city. I feel no matter how big or small the crime is they must be punished to the fullest that the law allows. Hopefully it will knock some sense into people in general to think very carefully about the serious consequences before getting "caught up in the moment" and doing something stupid. They all deserve the humiliation they've brought upon themselves, no one else to blame but themselves. Imagine this: inviting someone over to watch the game, we lose or win the game/series and this person goes ape shit in your house breaking things, setting things on fire, stealing stuff from your home and leaving it in a big mess, wouldn't you be pissed? Could you really feel sorry for these kinda people afterwards?

^ i feel the same. all these people had to do was use their brains for a few seconds, realize it's wrong, and walk away. using excuses like "i was drunk" and "i got caught up in the moment" are weak, WEAK justifications for their actions. does no one have a moral compass these days? do people really have to spell out what's right and wrong for people ages 16-30? really?

[EX-R]

No, I'm not implying YOU are stupid. I know what you're doing.

I'm saying in general. People who are pro-riot around here I will probably remove.



Yeah, that.

ok! slight case of misunderstanding! we can carry on! :fullofwin:

[BlackZRoadster]

LESS DEBATING AND MORE HUMILIATING.. for the rioters :troll:
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[Ronin]

I'll make a couple more pictures maybe tomorrow. Didn't want to look at that shit today...it's depressing.

[Mr.HappySilp]

So fucking hard to follow this thread but the Kotylaks have fled their home :troll:

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Apologetic+rioter+family+threatened+flees+home/4972481/story.html

Sorry kid the only fair I say is for his family paid for the damages he caused, kick out from the canada team for good, and his car and windows of his house get smash.

[minoru_tanaka]

No, he's somewhat right. If you knew you wouldn't get caught and no one would know, would you commit a crime? Anyone that says they wouldn't even think about it is a liar. That's just human nature and some of us are just smart enough to know to keep it under wraps.

Call me a liar but plenty of times I've been in that situation and not thought about it. I don't see a window and decide to break it cause nobody's around just because nobody would know. Lot's of crimes I wouldnt commit just because I could get away with it. For the most part, laws aren't made up just for no reason. Most people innately know that it's wrong. They are essential to the survival of the human race.

If killing each other for no reason was normal we'd all have to be hermits. Or dead.

If we all neglected our children well a human baby is not going to make it.

We co-operate and help each other. Remember we evolved in Africa where every predator is stronger, faster with much better weapons and senses.

edit: anyways I was more in dispute with him saying that there isn't people that would feel guilty enough to admit committing a crime.

[spoon.ek9]

edit, wrong thread

[hiGh_RollA]

not sure if this has been posted yet but this is Camille Cacnio's full "apology"

http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/

[scottsman]

http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Rioting+teen+Nathan+Kotylak+family+face+backlash+f orced+leave+home/4972283/story.html

Happy Fathers Day? :troll:

Another article about the polo player.

I really hate how the media is portraying this guy as a victim now.

[minoru_tanaka]

http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Rioting+teen+Nathan+Kotylak+family+face+backlash+f orced+leave+home/4972283/story.html

Happy Fathers Day? :troll:

Another article about the polo player.

I really hate how the media is portraying this guy as a victim now.

The puppy dog faces are hilarious

[spoon.ek9]

not sure if this has been posted yet but this is Camille Cacnio's full "apology"

http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/

lol at this bitch trying so hard to justify her actions. what an absolute joke.

[aznsuperman]

http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/

[Razor Ramon HG]

lol at this bitch trying so hard to justify her actions. what an absolute joke.

Straight up. I commented the same thing on the post, but it says "Your comment is awaiting moderation."

:lol

[maxxxboost]

http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Rioting+teen+Nathan+Kotylak+family+face+backlash+f orced+leave+home/4972283/story.html

Happy Fathers Day? :troll:

Another article about the polo player.

I really hate how the media is portraying this guy as a victim now.

Lol, I take the media with a grain of salt and i am sure a lot of people do as well.
What has been done cannot be undone, media can portray him to be a victim all they want but the people know otherwise.

[K-Dub]

In an interesting twist, although the photo of Kotylak holding a lighter to the gas tank of a police cruiser has become one of the most unforgettable images of the riot, further video provided by a bystander appears to show he did not set the car ablaze.

Schneider said it’s an example of how individual images may not tell the whole story.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Rioting+teen+Nathan+Kotylak+family+face+backlash+f orced+leave+home/4972283/story.html#ixzz1PnmsnAuu

...
well yea, pictures can lie, but how does this lessen his act?

5 people jump 1 person.
person dies from injuries.
1 person says "my attack did not directly contribute to his final cause of death so I should receive a lesser penalty"

...wtf. who thinks like this?

[StylinRed]

wow that Cacnio bitch sure has the nerve....


its funny they mentioned Enspire i emailed them too and had a response from the charity stating that they have no connection with Ms. Cacnio; they are very disappointed in her; and she only worked with them briefly and its sad that they have had a representative act in the total opposite of their charities beliefs

I think its fair to say every organization/ group/ moral person she's involved with has separated themselves from her




Oh on a side note the police paid a visit to my neighbours today from what i gleaned it sounds like it has to do with the riots (which they told me they were there) i guess they must have participated in some way

[The_AK]

as i stated earlier, went to high school with her, lulz ensued when i saw that posted

[Ronin]

I was with that...er...I don't want to bother spelling her name...the Filipino chick named Camile or something...until she got to the part where she says "She doesn't deserve this."

Sorry, lost me after that and didn't read.

I think that some of the public shaming might be going too far when people haven't done anything particularly wrong such as posing with things but that chick stole from a store and says it's less severe. I don't buy it.

I would've been a little more sympathetic if she apologized and asked people to leave everyone else in her life alone but to try to turn this back on the social media networks that IDed her...well...I certainly know who I side with.

[optiblue]

http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/

Wow, that's a hearty response from her. In a way, everything she lost for just looting some size 42 pants is kind of harsh. But I can see how Burrard Acura doesn't want to risk business by keeping a thief as well as what customers will think when they see her. Once you have a criminal record, good luck getting a job!! I wonder if she will get expelled from UBC? Oh wells, a BSc in Biology won't get you a job anyways :troll:

Water polo guy on the other hand has lawyered up and has unlimited daddy funds. He will get off scott free just watch~

For everyone that's actually turning themselves in, I think the most credit should go to the people who stayed to get video and photos of them. I'm willing to bet that no one in their right minds would do it if there wasn't any solid evidence against them.
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[ajei]

http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Rioting+teen+Nathan+Kotylak+family+face+backlash+f orced+leave+home/4972283/story.html

Happy Fathers Day? :troll:

Another article about the polo player.

I really hate how the media is portraying this guy as a victim now.

So now his fathers out of work because of him?, i call bs; and good lawyer....
but some of these stories are getting ridiculous...someone should email the writers.
People are fishing for too much sympathy now...I hope everyone caught involved gets a harsh sentence...
You think vancouver will go further into becoming a "no fun city" because of this?

[Harvey Specter]

http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/

I read the first bit, don't care to read the rest of the novel. It's the same old story; cry a bit so in court you look remorseful. Good luck.

As for the 17 year old, he's a younger offender with no criminal record so most of the time the court will stay the charges. I think in this case he'll be made an example because too much media attention is on this story and the city and police need to make some of these people examples.

One thing I will say is I don't really understand the racist comments some idiots are spewing all over the net when 99% of the rioters were White Canadians. It's like seriously stfu already with the racist comments and other stupid ass comments, this riot is already given Vancouver a black eye and made the people in this city like retards, eventually the media will pick up on the racist BS and make a story out of it.

Fuck, what a mess this riot is becoming.

[shawn79]

camille cacnio should just stfu... if theres any hackers here pls hack that website and take it down.

[GrapeDrink]

I was with that...er...I don't want to bother spelling her name...the Filipino chick named Camile or something...until she got to the part where she says "She doesn't deserve this."

Sorry, lost me after that and didn't read.

I think that some of the public shaming might be going too far when people haven't done anything particularly wrong such as posing with things but that chick stole from a store and says it's less severe. I don't buy it.

I would've been a little more sympathetic if she apologized and asked people to leave everyone else in her life alone but to try to turn this back on the social media networks that IDed her...well...I certainly know who I side with.

ya ... you know for a second I actually felt like she had a point and almost felt sorry for her because in the grand scheme of things all she did was loot a pair of pants. But if you read on, its very clear she isn't sorry at all, she just wants the social networks to get off her case. Its a joke how she goes on and on about how she was just going with the mob mentality and trying to prove it actually exists instead of just manning up and be like I fucked up and did something stupid. She just dug herself a deeper grave now with that post I'm sure people will actually be more appalled than sympathetic after reading that hot garbage.

[Rdk1]

While I'm not as angry as I was before. Some extensive jail time + permanent criminal record THEN get exported should do justice for this girl that thinks she doesn't deserve this "because (may I remind you that) I am responsible for theft – a fairly minor action compared to vandalism and arson"

Any crime is a serious crime.
Stupid bitch.

[DanHibiki]

http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/

I have to say. Even before she posted this I kinda agreed with a lot of the stuff she was saying.

The first few days I was in super rage mode and wanted the heads of all the mobsters. But like always, I'm the type to see the reasoning behind both sides.

I agree with the mob mentality thing and how a lot of people wouldn't do what they did if it wasn't for the hundreds of people around them doing it or doing things worse than it. It's almost like peer-pressure in a way?

And after looking through her Facebook page she seemed like a good person.

I think she should get the punishment such an act entails but I do think she what is happening to her is way worse than what she deserves.

Everyone has done something bad in their life that they regret later on and everyone deserves a second chance.

I believe cases like her and the water polo kid deserve a second chance because they seem like two people who are able to do so much more for the world. I think what happened at the riot (especially for the water polo kid) is a good thing for them because it's a pretty big lesson that will be etched in their heads forever and strive to become a better person and give back MORE to the world than they have taken.

Again I don't condone these actions but I do think we should not categorize the good people who made one mistake with those who were sought out to 'cause mayhem and never change their ways because they listen to too much rap music and follow the slogan "FUCK DA POLICE!".

[Energy]

Like someone else said, what she did isn't theft. She is trying to downplay it. What she did is more like public drunkenness, unlawful entry, and looting (which is different from theft).

Its great that she admits fault and is willing to take the consequences though.

[ajei]

Her actions MAINTAINED and helped intensify the riot (no matter how petty they were independent of the riot). It let others affected by the "mob mentality" make an effort...since she didn't get caught "then", and she obviously looks like a "badass"; others easily influenced think its okay.

[AAnthony]

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[zephyrantes]

I agree with you guys on all these "apologies". Funny how they all waited until they were exposed and had social repercussions dealt on to them. Then they blame the alcohol/adrenaline/"mob mentality.

Camille's "apology" isn't an apology. It's a DEFENSE statement. Everything after "MY STORY" is all about her. I really hope that the justice system can see through her bullshit.

Say you're sorry and describe what you're going to do to atone for your mistakes. To me, that's more respectful.

[Rdk1]

Yup. Shows Camille's a true lower form of human being.

[- kT]

LOL that camille girl started a blog to spew her bullshit? please, spare the world your fake apologies. she's just trying to get some heat off her back by directing the fact that, yes she stole, but she didn't jump on cop cars or set things on fire or whatever

rioting is rioting. it doesn't matter if you throw a pebble at a police officer during a riot or a stone. if the intent is there, it's there. take that jason kid. he hit 2 pieces of glass. hell i don't even think he BROKE anything cause he's some 70lb kid. but the INTENT was there, and that's all it takes

and watch. she's just gonna filter all the comments and allow only the ones that are on her side to be posted. kind of like a petition that she'll then use when her charges go through. "oh all these people agree with what i've said!"

ratio of people who agree/see through her bullshit is probably 1/70

[DanHibiki]

Other than wanting to make it to the Stanley Cup finals again next season for obvious reasons, I would like to see what would happened in terms of rioting this time around.

Do you guys think there will be

A) no riots
B) mild riot
C) big riot

I think there will be a mild riot as most people will be afraid to get caught on tape but there would still be SOME shit going down as some kids will be bring more masks and such to hide their identity.

Hopefully the cops will be in greater numbers, no one parks downtown and all shops will be smarter and board up their windows.

[Rdk1]

Other than wanting to make it to the Stanley Cup finals again next season for obvious reasons, I would like to see what would happened in terms of rioting this time around.

Do you guys think there will be

A) no riots
B) mild riot
C) big riot

I think there will be a mild riot as most people will be afraid to get caught on tape but there would still be SOME shit going down as some kids will be bring more masks and such to hide their identity.

Hopefully the cops will be in greater numbers, no one parks downtown and all shops will be smarter and board up their windows.

What needs to happen is for the Cops to bring some actual guns, and given a fire at will order.

[StylinRed]

Why don’t I think I deserve all this treatment?

Because for one, I’ve admitted to my mistakes, two, I am ready to deal with the consequences in a judicial manner, and three, because (may I remind you that) I am responsible for theft – a fairly minor action compared to vandalism and arson. Please remember and understand that I am not responsible for the riot.

stopped right here.... rofl god... :facepalm:

[babas]

http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/

Wow. One short apology at the beginning and then an entire essay devoted to justifying her actions? Sounds totally sincere to me :rolleyes:

[TheHighImperial]

Camille sounds like a book worm who got the thrill of her life that night by stealing some random pants... No significant crime there! Some have publicly shamed her because they like the entertainment as in what thedirty.com and the Jerry Springer show are... others take these rioters seriously because they are driven by fear, fear that your unsuspecting fellow Canadian can out savage you in the event of a natural disaster lets say. You want him/her to be forever a good little citizen and obedient to the rules.
The violent offenders are the ones that people should put their energy towards... not what glass or car was damaged.
Its just funny that some of you speak of tax payer monies and what people think of our country now when we are at war for corporate interest and no ones cares.

[GrapeDrink]

I have to say. Even before she posted this I kinda agreed with a lot of the stuff she was saying.

The first few days I was in super rage mode and wanted the heads of all the mobsters. But like always, I'm the type to see the reasoning behind both sides.

I agree with the mob mentality thing and how a lot of people wouldn't do what they did if it wasn't for the hundreds of people around them doing it or doing things worse than it. It's almost like peer-pressure in a way?

And after looking through her Facebook page she seemed like a good person.

I think she should get the punishment such an act entails but I do think she what is happening to her is way worse than what she deserves.

Everyone has done something bad in their life that they regret later on and everyone deserves a second chance.

I believe cases like her and the water polo kid deserve a second chance because they seem like two people who are able to do so much more for the world. I think what happened at the riot (especially for the water polo kid) is a good thing for them because it's a pretty big lesson that will be etched in their heads forever and strive to become a better person and give back MORE to the world than they have taken.

Again I don't condone these actions but I do think we should not categorize the good people who made one mistake with those who were sought out to 'cause mayhem and never change their ways because they listen to too much rap music and follow the slogan "FUCK DA POLICE!".

yeah for sure I agree with that, I mean its quite obvious there were two different classes of rioters, you had the low lives that really live for this shit and there were those who were probably decent people that made a bad choice and hey that is life and sometimes you will fuck up and make bad decisions. I have no issue accepting that some of those people really did just make a bad choice, however its how they handled the situation after. Her "apology" is a joke, all she does is spew out more crap rationalizing and defending her bad judgment instead of actually owning up to her own bad choices.

[1creator]

not sure if this has been posted yet but this is Camille Cacnio's full "apology"

http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/

This has damage control written all over it.

All she had to say was "I'm sorry, it was stupid, I am to blame and will accept the consequences "

Instead it's got a whole lot of But's

[zephyrantes]

If I knew that I was wrong, then why didn’t I do something about it sooner?



I knew that I was going to return the pants and tell the cops that I made a mistake, but why did I wait 2.5 days instead of .5-1 day? Well, that would be out of pure nervousness…nervous to tell my parents and my sister. I was raised in a good family and I was more nervous to tell them than the cops. I had to be okay with admitting it to them before I could go out to the cops


I like this one too... amongst many others.

[Harvey Specter]

Other than wanting to make it to the Stanley Cup finals again next season for obvious reasons, I would like to see what would happened in terms of rioting this time around.

Do you guys think there will be

A) no riots
B) mild riot
C) big riot

I think there will be a mild riot as most people will be afraid to get caught on tape but there would still be SOME shit going down as some kids will be bring more masks and such to hide their identity.

Hopefully the cops will be in greater numbers, no one parks downtown and all shops will be smarter and board up their windows.

Well the question is will the city do a similar event? I think if they do they'll most likely have multiple sites around the city so they don't have one area with 100,000 people. And it's a tough call for the city because large crowds = tons of money for local businesses so a lot of businesses would want some sort of event to attract people to the core but for the city it means risking another riot and deploying tons of cops which costs money and take up resources.

[Culverin]

Other than wanting to make it to the Stanley Cup finals again next season for obvious reasons, I would like to see what would happened in terms of rioting this time around.

Do you guys think there will be

A) no riots
B) mild riot
C) big riot

I think there will be a mild riot as most people will be afraid to get caught on tape but there would still be SOME shit going down as some kids will be bring more masks and such to hide their identity.

Hopefully the cops will be in greater numbers, no one parks downtown and all shops will be smarter and board up their windows.


Here are my predictions:
Well, next year, when we make the finals, the city will smarten up. If you want to get into the viewing venues, you're going to get searched, just like at a concert. Regardless of that, some idiots will want to start some shit after big wins or losses. Then everybody else will kick the shit out of them so bad, the'll be sent to the hospital.

[Rdk1]

Here are my predictions:
Well, next year, when we make the finals, the city will smarten up. If you want to get into the viewing venues, you're going to get searched, just like at a concert. Regardless of that, some idiots will want to start some shit after big wins or losses. Then everybody else will kick the shit out of them so bad, the'll be sent to the hospital.

to be honest, i'd rather just have them dead. don't want to waste our money into caring for those lowlifes.

[Ronin]

As far as I'm concerned, she's just adding more Google results for her name that will point to her part in the riots for her future prospective employers. Having your full name in the URL of the website = great SEO. :IDL

Where do we draw the line for second chances? What if the kid did light that car on fire? Would he get a second shot then? Or what if a guy is a fucking scumbag but didn't really do much in the riot except take a picture of himself beside a fire and steal a pair of pants?

[StylinRed]

I have to say. Even before she posted this I kinda agreed with a lot of the stuff she was saying.

The first few days I was in super rage mode and wanted the heads of all the mobsters. But like always, I'm the type to see the reasoning behind both sides.

I agree with the mob mentality thing and how a lot of people wouldn't do what they did if it wasn't for the hundreds of people around them doing it or doing things worse than it. It's almost like peer-pressure in a way?

And after looking through her Facebook page she seemed like a good person.

I think she should get the punishment such an act entails but I do think she what is happening to her is way worse than what she deserves.

Everyone has done something bad in their life that they regret later on and everyone deserves a second chance.

I believe cases like her and the water polo kid deserve a second chance because they seem like two people who are able to do so much more for the world. I think what happened at the riot (especially for the water polo kid) is a good thing for them because it's a pretty big lesson that will be etched in their heads forever and strive to become a better person and give back MORE to the world than they have taken.

Again I don't condone these actions but I do think we should not categorize the good people who made one mistake with those who were sought out to 'cause mayhem and never change their ways because they listen to too much rap music and follow the slogan "FUCK DA POLICE!".


You've just fallen into the typical mentality of the masses where they see a wealthy person or a girl or both and they automatically want to forgive or feel sorry for them ("seem like two people who are able to do so much more for the world")
but if they were poor/down on their luck etc you'd be like "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS"

the shit they pulled doesnt fly and you're just falling for their bs

[RevYouUp]

That Camille girl is no different from a Surrey jack lol..She wouldn't be doing all this crap if she wasn't caught on camera..

[DanHibiki]

You've just fallen into the typical mentality of the masses where they see a wealthy person or a girl or both and they automatically want to forgive or feel sorry for them ("seem like two people who are able to do so much more for the world")
but if they were poor/down on their luck etc you'd be like "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS"

the shit they pulled doesnt fly and you're just falling for their bs

Maybe. But I like to look at my own life as an example. I believe I am a good person (without going into details). But I have done some things that i regret and know I never should have done. But doe that mean I deserved to be ridiculed and have my life ruined forever? I don't believe so. I have learned from the past and become a better person.

I believe she deserves the fine, jail time, or community service that she is going to get. I also believe she deserves some public shame. But I don't believe that her entire life from here on should be completely ruined to the point she cannot graduate or find a job or whatever.

I'm sure there are many great people who contribute a lot of good to society who have done some wrong in their past before. Imagine if we never gave them a second chance? We may never have seen the greatness they have brought.

What if the Water Polo kid becomes the Olympic star that he has the potential to become? becomes a model athlete who can teach kids of the mistake he made. Maybe become a spokes person for some charities and help raise money? Is that not a good trade off for setting a car on fire?

Also you may be right about the wealthy/girl vs poor/down on their luck point. But could you really put Camille and Dustin Anderson in the same category?!?! Which one do you think learned their lesson from the punishment she gets and which one do you think will EMBRACE the punishment and may even use it to brag about? One will continue volunteering, the other will continue believing that the police is the scum of the universe.


Anyways You do have a point. I am the type of person to feel bad for those wrong do-ers. I would sometimes hate an opposing hockey team like crazy but after we beat them I would feel a bit sorry for them (except Chicago, no sympathy for them). I have hated people in my life and wish bad things upon them. But once I see them go down , I start to feel a little sorry for them.


But I am also the type of person who deserves in second chances. So I just hope we do enough damage to these people that they really learn their lesson, then stop and no go overboard. I think thew Water Polo kid's family having to move their house is a bit excessive.

[static]

...
well yea, pictures can lie, but how does this lessen his act?

5 people jump 1 person.
person dies from injuries.
1 person says "my attack did not directly contribute to his final cause of death so I should receive a lesser penalty"

...wtf. who thinks like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._v._City_of_Sault_Ste-Marie

[lgman]

What pisses me off is people who get caught try to lie their way out of it and never own up and admit to what they have done..

Also the people who defend the rioters either ;
1. you are a rioter.
2. you are a friend of the rioter.
3. you are a douchebag.
4. go back to 1 and go down the list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4HxlVtrmHc&NR=1
Anyone know these guys??

[Culverin]

Well done Vancouver.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/06/19/bc-stanley-cup-riot-charges.html

Make those idiots pay.

[bing]

While I'm not as angry as I was before. Some extensive jail time + permanent criminal record THEN get exported should do justice for this girl that thinks she doesn't deserve this "because (may I remind you that) I am responsible for theft – a fairly minor action compared to vandalism and arson"

Any crime is a serious crime.
Stupid bitch.

Judging from some of your comments made, it is understandable they were made out of anger, but it is entirely NOT reasonable. That is not how criminal justice professionals have to look at it according to the legislative framework. I would agree with you if you said that committing a crime is committing a crime, but I have to point out that there are differing degrees of seriousness (this is highlighted by the crime severity index) and also by the type of charges she will be facing (summary conviction-less serious, or indictable offenses-more serious). I cannot recall at the moment what theft falls under.

The Canadian justice system also believes in a restorative justice approach that sees offenders being reintegrated into society as best as possible, and judges take mitigating and aggravating factors into sentencing. From what I remember, it cost 80,000/yr to house people in jails (I also read stats that showed $154/day in provincial jails versus $299/day in federal jails) compared to 20,000/yr for supervised probation. Let's be realistic here, that punishments have to fit the crime.

[hillmar]

Maybe. But I like to look at my own life as an example. I believe I am a good person (without going into details). But I have done some things that i regret and know I never should have done. But doe that mean I deserved to be ridiculed and have my life ruined forever? I don't believe so. I have learned from the past and become a better person.

I believe she deserves the fine, jail time, or community service that she is going to get. I also believe she deserves some public shame. But I don't believe that her entire life from here on should be completely ruined to the point she cannot graduate or find a job or whatever.

I'm sure there are many great people who contribute a lot of good to society who have done some wrong in their past before. Imagine if we never gave them a second chance? We may never have seen the greatness they have brought.

What if the Water Polo kid becomes the Olympic star that he has the potential to become? becomes a model athlete who can teach kids of the mistake he made. Maybe become a spokes person for some charities and help raise money? Is that not a good trade off for setting a car on fire?

Also you may be right about the wealthy/girl vs poor/down on their luck point. But could you really put Camille and Dustin Anderson in the same category?!?! Which one do you think learned their lesson from the punishment she gets and which one do you think will EMBRACE the punishment and may even use it to brag about? One will continue volunteering, the other will continue believing that the police is the scum of the universe.


Anyways You do have a point. I am the type of person to feel bad for those wrong do-ers. I would sometimes hate an opposing hockey team like crazy but after we beat them I would feel a bit sorry for them (except Chicago, no sympathy for them). I have hated people in my life and wish bad things upon them. But once I see them go down , I start to feel a little sorry for them.


But I am also the type of person who deserves in second chances. So I just hope we do enough damage to these people that they really learn their lesson, then stop and no go overboard. I think thew Water Polo kid's family having to move their house is a bit excessive.

This isn't going to ruin their lives forever..... People have completely lost everything before and got back up and made something of themselves. And people that started with completely nothing (not even a education) worked their ass off and made something of themselves. At the moment, it doesn't look good for them, but if they really don't mind the hardwork.... people in society will look past this incident and they WILL get their life back in gear.
Example- 2~5 years of volunteering work, speaches at public schools of what they did wrong, showing remorse and asking if their is anything she can do for that Tuxedo store by asking their head office ( in the case of the girl) etc.... the list goes on and on.

[sonick]

lol Camille Cacnio's apology blog... http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/

5% of it is the actual apology, the rest is just pandering.

[drunkrussian]

^arrogant essay about why psychologically there was nothing wrong with what she did. Any pity i had for her is now completely gone, as she isn't sorry at all and is just doing her best to not get sued and not get fined/prosecuted.

[RacePace]

lol Camille Cacnio's apology blog... http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/

5% of it is the actual apology, the rest is just pandering.

That's a lot of excuses, too bad none of it matters

[Spidey]

^ she should have stopped after her formal apologies.. The first thing people notice when they realize you are not truly "sorry" for you actions is rationalization.

[Death2Theft]

Sorry from the videos I saw from the yellow shirt guy to the punk that got beat when he tried to jump some guy 10-1. It seemed like there is at least 50% brown participants in the fighting part of it, maybe not the looting part.

One thing I will say is I don't really understand the racist comments some idiots are spewing all over the net when 99% of the rioters were White Canadians. It's like seriously stfu already with the racist comments and other stupid ass comments, this riot is already given Vancouver a black eye and made the people in this city like retards, eventually the media will pick up on the racist BS and make a story out of it.

Fuck, what a mess this riot is becoming.

[Death2Theft]

They need to hire 3 camera men on every block corner of DT that way if someone goes after one, another will have them caught on film. Also need police at the skytrain stations checking bags for bandanas/molotovs etc just like they do at the fireworks.
Other than wanting to make it to the Stanley Cup finals again next season for obvious reasons, I would like to see what would happened in terms of rioting this time around.

Do you guys think there will be

A) no riots
B) mild riot
C) big riot

I think there will be a mild riot as most people will be afraid to get caught on tape but there would still be SOME shit going down as some kids will be bring more masks and such to hide their identity.

Hopefully the cops will be in greater numbers, no one parks downtown and all shops will be smarter and board up their windows.

[7seven]

Anyone using alcohol and getting caught up in "mob mentality" is an idiot and just using it as a cop out. I was watching the game on the patio of Jimmys Taphouse at Robson/Homer, the entrance of the CBC fanzone with Blum2001 and a few other friends. We were drinking from 11am to 3am, a heavy mix of beers, highballs and shots, but did any of us get involved in the riot, no. So to use alcohol as an excuse is just fucked.

After Jimmys, we walked through the idiots to another bar in Yaletown to meet up with a few girls we know that were getting of shift early at the bar they worked at, the girls had been drinking and they decided to they wanted to take a walk to see what was going on, so rather than let the girls go alone, we went too. Only a couple block in we see a dumpster on fire at Homer/Nelson and at that point I told the group no point being on the street and we walked back to Yaletown to another bar. All of us had been drinking and had to walk through the idiot crowd, did any of us get caught up in the mob mentality and participate in the riot, no. Having to walk through the idiot crowd twice, non of us after heavy drinking got involved or caught up in this magical mob mentality bullshit.

Alcohol and mob mentality is just a bullshit excuse. These idiots that are losing their jobs, suspended from school, losing friends and being publicly shamed deserve every last bit of it. They showed their true nature by participating in the riot, they showed they are immature, lack character and have horrible decision making abilities.

[dangonay]

Don't know if it's been suggested, but I think they should let these fuckers spend only one day in jail.........while a prison riot is taking place.

[spoon.ek9]

Alcohol and mob mentality is just a bullshit excuse. These idiots that are losing their jobs, suspended from school, losing friends and being publicly shamed deserve every last bit of it. They showed their true nature by participating in the riot, they showed they are immature, lack character and have horrible decision making abilities.

100% bang on. QFT! the best thing these idiots can do is apologize and accept all consequences. justifying your actions with these weak ass excuses will only make things worse.

[b0unce. [?]]

Don't know if it's been suggested, but I think they should let these fuckers spend only one day in jail.........while a prison riot is taking place.

i'd rather these fucking goofs lose their jobs, expelled from school (assuming it was a post secondary school), or do some community service, on top of paying out of their pockets to pay for damages.

[Ch28]

Alcohol and mob mentality is just a bullshit excuse. These idiots that are losing their jobs, suspended from school, losing friends and being publicly shamed deserve every last bit of it. They showed their true nature by participating in the riot, they showed they are immature, lack character and have horrible decision making abilities.

:werd:

[terryjai]

i say dumb excuse = lock/jail up =)

[MrGoodbar]

http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/

Apology not accepted. What the fuck did she fucking learn from her "volunteering"? Probably just to puff up the resume. Bitch, I am disappoint. Ingenuine apologies are worthless.

Take a visit to Canuck Place or BC Children's Hospital and find out what a real reason for volunteering is. I swear, after seeing some of the things children live with, I know that volunteering doesn't entitle me to anything except a more gracious view of what I have.

This bitch is using volunteering as a way to plea to justify what she did. It makes me sick to have "volunteers" like this who are self-absorbed.

[greenlantern1]

http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/

Apology not accepted. What the fuck did she fucking learn from her "volunteering"? Probably just to puff up the resume. Bitch, I am disappoint. Ingenuine apologies are worthless.

Take a visit to Canuck Place or BC Children's Hospital and find out what a real reason for volunteering is. I swear, after seeing some of the things children live with, I know that volunteering doesn't entitle me to anything except a more gracious view of what I have.

This bitch is using volunteering as a way to plea to justify what she did. It makes me sick to have "volunteers" like this who are self-absorbed.

Exactly what we should do with these people. She may be calling out all the name callers but is still dodging the questions.

Ask her if she didn't get spotted what she would do.

Ask her why she would get caught up if she knows better.

So let's just keeping asking them questions until they truly are apologetic and not arrogant. :D

[Oleophobic]

Anyone using alcohol and getting caught up in "mob mentality" is an idiot and just using it as a cop out. I was watching the game on the patio of Jimmys Taphouse at Robson/Homer, the entrance of the CBC fanzone with Blum2001 and a few other friends. We were drinking from 11am to 3am, a heavy mix of beers, highballs and shots, but did any of us get involved in the riot, no. So to use alcohol as an excuse is just fucked.

After Jimmys, we walked through the idiots to another bar in Yaletown to meet up with a few girls we know that were getting of shift early at the bar they worked at, the girls had been drinking and they decided to they wanted to take a walk to see what was going on, so rather than let the girls go alone, we went too. Only a couple block in we see a dumpster on fire at Homer/Nelson and at that point I told the group no point being on the street and we walked back to Yaletown to another bar. All of us had been drinking and had to walk through the idiot crowd, did any of us get caught up in the mob mentality and participate in the riot, no. Having to walk through the idiot crowd twice, non of us after heavy drinking got involved or caught up in this magical mob mentality bullshit.

Alcohol and mob mentality is just a bullshit excuse. These idiots that are losing their jobs, suspended from school, losing friends and being publicly shamed deserve every last bit of it. They showed their true nature by participating in the riot, they showed they are immature, lack character and have horrible decision making abilities.

Amen to that.

Those people deserve everything they have coming to them. Losing their jobs, public humilation, friends/employers/organizations severing ties with them, etc. The only exception I think is the harassment they are getting: Phone calls, death threats, etc. I don't believe it should reach the point where they are fearing for their own safety.

Any scumbag harassing camille/nathan or any rioter for that matter also deserves to go to jail for harassment or any other related crimes they are guilty of IMO. Do what you can to expose them, but let the courts handle the rest. I guess that's the only part of camille's 'apology' I agree with. I agree the rest is just bullshit rationalization.

[Liquid_o2]

http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/

Apology not accepted. What the fuck did she fucking learn from her "volunteering"? Probably just to puff up the resume. Bitch, I am disappoint. Ingenuine apologies are worthless.

Take a visit to Canuck Place or BC Children's Hospital and find out what a real reason for volunteering is. I swear, after seeing some of the things children live with, I know that volunteering doesn't entitle me to anything except a more gracious view of what I have.

This bitch is using volunteering as a way to plea to justify what she did. It makes me sick to have "volunteers" like this who are self-absorbed.

Her apology makes it seem like she is the victim.

[chunk_stir]

Tim Kwong's apology (already posted but here it is again for reference)



A RESPONSE FROM A ST. PAUL's E.R. NURSE (to Tim Kwong's apology)



Hope this isn't a repost

There are two kinds of apologies: 1) One kind, you do because you realize the consequences of your actions to yourself and to your well-being. 2) The second kind, you do because you realize the consequences of your actions to others and their well-being.

Not too many of the latter being seen so far... I wonder if we will ever see any.

[ecchiecchi]

Her apology makes it seem like she is the victim.

I replied but I doubt it's gonna be published.

"The first step to making your apology more sincere is to not make any excuses."

[jaemc]

Camille was let go from Burrard Acura on Saturday. Needa look for a new receptionist for Saturdays now!

[Culture_Vulture]

Judging from some of your comments made, it is understandable they were made out of anger, but it is entirely NOT reasonable. That is not how criminal justice professionals have to look at it according to the legislative framework. I would agree with you if you said that committing a crime is committing a crime, but I have to point out that there are differing degrees of seriousness (this is highlighted by the crime severity index) and also by the type of charges she will be facing (summary conviction-less serious, or indictable offenses-more serious). I cannot recall at the moment what theft falls under.

The Canadian justice system also believes in a restorative justice approach that sees offenders being reintegrated into society as best as possible, and judges take mitigating and aggravating factors into sentencing. From what I remember, it cost 80,000/yr to house people in jails (I also read stats that showed $154/day in provincial jails versus $299/day in federal jails) compared to 20,000/yr for supervised probation. Let's be realistic here, that punishments have to fit the crime.
Theft under $5000 is not indictable.

While I might reconsider putting her in jail (because I get the feeling a lot of people are making rash judgments, on top of the obvious reasons to point a finger at her), a permanent record and some real community service are unavoidable.

[MrGoodbar]

"To those who know me and have turned their backs on me, please delete me from Facebook and disassociate yourself from me as much as possible because I don’t want to have anything to do with you."

Does this demand from Camille sound apologetic?

[blum2001]

I was watching the game on the patio of Jimmys Taphouse at Robson/Homer, the entrance of the CBC fanzone with Blum2001 and a few other friends.

I was severely drunk.
Drank too many shots
Drank too many Gin/Tonics
Was as drunk as I could be before passing out.
I was totally fueled by alcohol.

But...

I didn't riot, break windows, steal tuxedo's.
I walked home after.

Media's 'Fueled by alcohol' is a complete joke.


My liver still hurts.
that is all.

[blum2001]

There are two kinds of apologies: 1) One kind, you do because you realize the consequences of your actions to yourself and to your well-being. 2) The second kind, you do because you realize the consequences of your actions to others and their well-being.

Not too many of the latter being seen so far... I wonder if we will ever see any.

Agreed. None of these apologies are sincere yet now they're playing the victim. If anything these apologies we're seeing are making everyone more outraged because it lacks the understanding of what they did wrong. Camille's apology was 1 paragraph, then justification. I wanted to ream the bitch out but I know none of her comments on her wordpress page will be approved "unless" it sides on her side. Maybe that's why there's no comments.

I hope the book is thrown at her. HARD.

[terryjai]

"On any regular day I would not condone looting.

However, at the time of the riot everything just seemed so right."

....speechless to that statement.....so i guess it's okay to do bad things as long as "everything just seemed so right"

so if there's a car accident...it's OKAY for me to hit/damage the car again coz "just seemed so right" coz it's damaged anyways?....

....she's a R-TARD and she goes to UBC....hmmmmmmm G.P.A of i dont even know....coz poo probably has more....

[ecchiecchi]

"On any regular day I would not condone looting.

However, at the time of the riot everything just seemed so right."

....speechless to that statement.....so i guess it's okay to do bad things as long as "everything just seemed so right"

so if there's a car accident...it's OKAY for me to hit/damage the car again coz "just seemed so right" coz it's damaged anyways?....

....she's a R-TARD and she goes to UBC....hmmmmmmm G.P.A of i dont even know....coz poo probably has more....

Under the same mentality- it's ok to stab someone just because everyone else is doing it.

[illcrashandburn]

I want to shed light onto the thought process that was in my head so that maybe you can all get a little bit of an understanding and sympathize for people like me, who made wrong decisions but have now become victims of this social media form of mob mentality :stfu:

The fact that she is playing victim and is trying to deliberately elicit sympathy from others is pretty infuriating and makes me less 'sorry' for her than before. She should have finished her post at the 'my apologies' section before getting into victim mentality mode.

[Roach]

I guess I'm in the minority in thinking that some of this public shaming is going too far. Especially when racist comments & death threats are being levied against the parties involved.

I would have preferred the police and judicial system take on the situation from there as opposed to the general public administering their own punishment. As we witnessed with the riot itself, the general public is full of idiots. And now, in some ways I think the social media groups have created their own mob in trying to imbue their beliefs of justice onto the parties involved in the riot.

Kev

[Mananetwork]

I guess I'm in the minority in thinking that some of this public shaming is going too far. Especially when racist comments & death threats are being levied against the parties involved.

I would have preferred the police and judicial system take on the situation from there as opposed to the general public administering their own punishment. As we witnessed with the riot itself, the general public is full of idiots. And now, in some ways I think the social media groups have created their own mob in trying to imbue their beliefs of justice onto the parties involved in the riot.

Kev

I was just thinking about this today.

We're creating a little mob of our own. I suggest sending the photos, calling them out and letting the police handle it instead of stirring up a bigger problem with hate mail and threats.

[RiceIntegraRS]

I think people are "imbueing" there own justice cause they dont have faith in our justice system and i dont blame them. But i think its gone alil too far imo.
Posted via RS Mobile (http://www.revscene.net/forums/announcement.php?a=228)

Edit* i also believe we created a mob against a mob but, if your gonna do something stupid, theres gonna be a retaliation or some sort.

[Vale46Rossi]

Fuck... I just finished reading Camille Cacnio's Wordpress.

She should shut the fuck up.

She is trying to make us feel bad in fucking her over in her job and life.

Fucking dumbass bitch.

If you can't face the consequences. Don't do the crime. It's as simple as that.

" I am prepared to do community work, pay fines, and if worst comes to worst, even a criminal record."

Shut the fuck up, she needs to go to jail and learn. I don't care if she only stole "a little" and blamed it on Alcohol.

If you can't handle alcohol simply don't drink.

Fuck her she needs to be used to set a precedent, Throw her in jail so when if we have another riot everyone will think twice and remember this bitch went to jail for stealing shit she doesnt need.

Also for fuck sakes " (a natural response after seeing people repeatedly trying to – successfully – ruin your life) "

I don't even need to reply to that. She still sounds like a fucking bitch with no remorse what I read was...

blah blah blah I fucked up blah blah blah but you guys fucked me over in worst blah blah blah you guys should be ashamed of yourself blah blah blah its none of your fucking business.

I don't buy in to that shit.

[7seven]

With over a million photos/names/videos sent to them, sounds like it'll take a while for VPD to get to everyone, but in the meantime...

News1130radio News1130
Turn yourself in or we'll arrest you at work. That's from VPD Chief Jim Chu for people caught in the act on video/photos during the riot.

[Toeknee]

I originally felt sorry for her and hoped that she would make it out of this mess and rebuild her life. After reading that shit... I don't know

Most of us here ARE aware that the "mob mentality" or "intoxication" MIGHT have had something to do with her actions. She doesn't seem to understand that we are angry at her despite these "excuses", because there are no excuses to committing a crime. Instead she acts as if she's a lawyer and talking down on us with lecture and quotes... jesus christ what a retard.

I have a feeling that she's going to be the most-harrassed and griefed rioter in vancouver. that apology just made everything so much worse for her.

In the meantime, I'm still waiting on how the Jason Li kid would come out of this. Hope he's different than this retarded bitch and actually makes his way out of this mess. His face will forever be a meme though haha

[Toeknee]

With over a million photos/names/videos sent to them, sounds like it'll take a while for VPD to get to everyone, but in the meantime...

:fuckyea: Jim Chu is badass hahaha

[tool001]

not sure if posted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K46l1rKzR44&feature=player_embedded#at=77

[MrGoodbar]

It's not even the fact that she stole; that's petty. It's her intent. This is the meat of what I responded to her dumb fucking post:

You, as a university student do not belong there as you’ve shown your inability to think critically of the situation. Your understanding of the gravity of the situation is at best a 5 year-old’s understanding of what you actually did. Did the police not make it clear that if you stayed you’ll get arrested? (they did cite the riot act) Was it not clear that you actively participated in a riot which is criminal? Were your actions not encouraging the continuation of an on-going riot? Trousers aren’t even the issue at hand anymore; it is your intent to promote anti-social behaviour. You are in no position to be making any demands to the public. How dare you justify your actions. You openly defied Canadian Law. I feel no sincerity in your piss-poor plea for mercy.

Fact is that she participated in A FUCKING RIOT. Trousers that she stole that she had no use really isn't even the issue anymore.

[Zoidberg]

You know what I'd think would prevent another riot from happening again next year if we make the finals? A sh*load of riot police on the streets BEFORE the game. I'm quit disappointed in the VPD in general in how passive they were during the last game. I remember seeing on CTV one of the chief VPD officers was getting interviewed right after the game, and he was asked if there was going to be a riot or anything similar to the one that happened a while ago. He said "No, this is just another day and it can't get any worse." Meanwhile, people are burning cars everywhere, beating each other up, and looting from stores all over Downtown.

VPD needs to do whatever they can to step it up. If we can't stop the stupidity, we might as well try our best to prevent these idiots from giving our city a horrible name.

And when I say step it up, this means G20ing every fucking intersection like this:

http://www.psiopradio.com/wp-content/uploads/G20.jpg

[Energy]

I guess I'm in the minority in thinking that some of this public shaming is going too far. Especially when racist comments & death threats are being levied against the parties involved.

I would have preferred the police and judicial system take on the situation from there as opposed to the general public administering their own punishment. As we witnessed with the riot itself, the general public is full of idiots. And now, in some ways I think the social media groups have created their own mob in trying to imbue their beliefs of justice onto the parties involved in the riot.

Kev

I believe that public shaming is a good thing that will teach those who participated in the riot a lesson they will never forget.

When people say that those posting comments online have a mob mentality we should know that most of them/us just want justice as opposed to the those who wanted our city to burn.

I do agree with you that venting with hateful, racist, discriminatory messages and threats is uncalled for. In that regard public shaming has gone too far because we can vent without any of those but its the nature of the internet for idiots with anonymity to pop up here and there (we see the same on revscene sometimes).

Overall, I think that sites like http://publicshamingeternus.wordpress.com/ should stay up.

[rsx]

I'm blown away at how bitchy that "apology" was. It was essentially an excuse filled rant.

[7seven]

You know what I'd think would prevent another riot from happening again next year if we make the finals? A sh*load of riot police on the streets BEFORE the game. I'm quit disappointed in the VPD in general in how passive they were during the last game. I remember seeing on CTV one of the chief VPD officers was getting interviewed right after the game, and he was asked if there was going to be a riot or anything similar to the one that happened a while ago. He said "No, this is just another day and it can't get any worse." Meanwhile, people are burning cars everywhere, beating each other up, and looting from stores all over Downtown.

VPD needs to do whatever they can to step it up. If we can't stop the stupidity, we might as well try our best to prevent these idiots from giving our city a horrible name.

And when I say step it up, this means G20ing every fucking intersection like this:

http://www.psiopradio.com/wp-content/uploads/G20.jpg

While that would be ideal, the G20 is a little different as the security budget was handled on a Federal level and each country's heads of states also brought in their own security details as well. The VPD should've anticipated the situation better but even if they had, the VPD had no resources as City Hall and our Mayor wouldn't approve the extra budget and finances for the necessary resources.

On a daily basis, the VPD is already really short on budget to hire the necessary number of officers for our growing city. Someone early in this thread posted an article showing how under financed the VPD is not having enough vehicles for it's existing officers that they had to use taxis and their own personal vehicles to perform police work.


Update from VPD

RIOT INVESTIGATION – FACT SHEET

June 20, 2011
Vancouver Police have received approximately 3500 emails, including tips, from the public at robbery@vpd.ca.

Some of these emails include:

53 with videos attached
676 with links to YouTube
708 with images attached
1011 with hyperlinks to other social media sites other than YouTube (mostly Facebook)
344 emails contain only text
280 Crime Stoppers tips received
900 additional emails have been received by the VPD Public Affairs Section. These will be reviewed for content and those with tips or information will be forwarded to robbery@vpd.ca
To date, 12 people have turned themselves in to Vancouver Police and three others to police in outside jurisdictions.

Charges

A total of 117 people have been arrested for a variety of offences, including breach of the peace, public intoxication, breach of probation, assault, mischief, theft, possession of stolen property and obstructing a peace officer.

Many charges are pending, however, formal charges have been recommended in the following cases:

Twenty year-old Edgar Ricardo Garcia of Burnaby is charged with aggravated assault stemming from an incident where two men were stabbed in the 700 block of Hornby Street on June 15.
Twenty-seven year-old Joshua Lyle Evans of Calgary is charged with possessing a weapon dangerous to the public peace. This stems from the same incident in the 700 block of Hornby Street.
A 21 year old man from Ladner with no previous criminal convictions is facing charges of mischief and participation in a riot. He is alleged to have broken a rear tail light and rear window of a green pick-up truck parked in the 300 block of West Georgia Street.
A 19 year old man from Surrey, with no previous criminal convictions, is facing charges of break and enter, theft and participation in a riot, stemming from an incident in the 700 block of West Georgia Street. It is alleged that he entered the Hudson’s Bay Company and stole a Coach purse.
A 17 year old youth from Maple Ridge with no previous criminal convictions is facing charges of participation in a riot and of arson for allegedly lighting a police car on fire in the 100 block of West Georgia.
An 18 year old man from Delta with no previous criminal convictions is facing a charge of mischief and participating in a riot for allegedly kicking a hole through the window of the Budget Rental Car office located in the 400 block of West Georgia.
A 20 year old man from Maple Ridge with no previous criminal convictions is facing charges of mischief and participating in a riot after allegedly breaking a window of the Bank of Montreal located at Homer and West Georgia.
A 22 year old man from Burnaby, with no previous criminal convictions is facing charges of assaulting a peace officer, break and enter, mischief and participation in a riot stemming from an incident at Library Square where he allegedly threw a water bottle at the police, broke a window and then entered a building.

http://vpdreleases.icontext.com/2011/06/20/riot-investigation-fact-sheet/

[Mercy]

It's not even the fact that she stole; that's petty. It's her intent. This is the meat of what I responded to her dumb fucking post:

I feel no sincerity in your piss-poor plea for mercy.

Fact is that she participated in A FUCKING RIOT. Trousers that she stole that she had no use really isn't even the issue anymore.

Don't worry I'm not giving in. I will not help her!!!
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[Ronin]

Anyone using alcohol and getting caught up in "mob mentality" is an idiot and just using it as a cop out.

Actually, now that I think about it...I had quite a few beers before I went downtown. I remember I started drinking when it was 2-0...

[Ronin]

Theft under $5000 is not indictable.

While I might reconsider putting her in jail (because I get the feeling a lot of people are making rash judgments, on top of the obvious reasons to point a finger at her), a permanent record and some real community service are unavoidable.

Theft under $5000 with no previous criminal record will probably end up being something like 100 hours of community service and you have to attend a counseling session or a seminar.

I have no problem with that if someone that steals a pair of pants or something. A decent punishment.

[marksport]

Some pages back, there was a post about how he/she no longer feels safe knowing how many crazy people are out there after these riots. Many of them are normal regular people, but under the right condition, they become the monsters we have seen. If you felt that it was safer before, may be you should get out more or check out the news. Did you miss the gang wars, robberies, mugging, assaults that were going on? Those would make me feel less safe because they occurred anywhere and there were innocent bystanders that were caught in the miđdle which some did die. No one died in this riot fortunately. The biggest loss from this riot is civic pride, not so much monetary value. Taxes aren't going to be raised from this as we are paying a lot of taxes on everything as it is. ICBC rates aren't going to go up as the claims resulting from this riot in total will still be small compared to the overall claims for 2011. And doesn't ICBC still have a large surplus for a non-profit corporation? At worse, I could see home and business insurance going up since that has to be bought from for Insurance companies such as Dominion.
The police presence was good from what scarce resources available to them. Thumbs up to the RCMP and municipal forces for coming to help out VPD. A friend of mine who volunteers with Abbotsford PD told me many were off duty who volunteered to go even as APD had extra officers on shift. They sent 1/3 of the entire force and it still takes an hour to get there even on code 3. Consider that the last riot was in '94 and there are more people during the Celebration of Lights, I think there will be more outdoor city events in the future. Some ask why there wasn't the same police presence such as the olympics, each day of the olympics costs over $50 million and involved CSIS, the Armed Forces, RCMP and many officers from across Canada. That is nearly 1/4 of VPD annual budget. It would be like Homer Simpson becoming the Sanitation Commissioner. Of course some of those agencies would not need to be involved but the budget is still not available.

[Ronin]

not sure if posted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K46l1rKzR44&feature=player_embedded#at=77

The couple seen here have already been identified. Go check out Captain Vancouver.

[Ronin]

To be fair to the VPD for their lack of presence during the game, they had stated previously that other outdoor viewings have been very peaceful with few incidents. I was down there after game 2 and 5 and the worst thing that happened was a guy climbing up a lamp post and getting a stern finger wagging from the police and a big ass traffic jam.

They thought that we had matured enough that we could just enjoy this for what it was but some people were intent on rioting regardless and they weren't prepared for that. I'm slightly disappointed that they weren't ready but I'm not going to blame the VPD for this one because for weeks, Canucks fans showed NONE of what happened on Wednesday.

[Greenstoner]

Camille was let go from Burrard Acura on Saturday. Needa look for a new receptionist for Saturdays now!

good luck, i hope you guys find a better looking one

[MrGoodbar]

Lol Camille, just erased 90% of her post leaving just her apology....I won't be an ass and post her fail blog on here

[Ronin]

That's what she should've just posted in the first place. If she did, we might all sympathize but she made a huge load of excuses.

It's like a speeding ticket. Your best chance for just a warning is just to admit that you might have been speeding and don't make excuses.

[seakrait]

http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/

Not sure what's up but her current blog apology got cut short. Not sure if she deleted some of the more idiotic things she said or why i can see the longer post on my iphone but not on my desktop but here's the full version:


http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/

Dear City of Vancouver and all its residents,

Yes, this is me in the picture above.
Yes, this is me in the 1:30-1:33 mark of this youtube video.

I am not proud of my actions and have made a visit to the Vancouver Police Department, over the weekend to turn myself in. This blog will serve as a public apology to those that I have offended with my actions, to clarify certain issues, and to address a few peripheral issues that I take as a concern.

My Apologies

I apologize to the City of Vancouver for participating in this riot.
I apologize to the residents of Vancouver for having to deal with the consequences of the event.
I apologize to my friends and family that have been affected by my actions.
I apologize to the Canucks for reacting in a way that is unsportsmanlike.

I apologize to Black & Lee, its employees, and all the customers who have been affected by my actions.

I apologize to Burrard Acura, my managers, my coworkers and its customers.$ In no way, shape or form does Burrard Acura condone this type of violence or misconduct. It is not necessary to associate my actions with the good reputation of Burrard Acura.

I apologize to Enspire Foundation, its’ volunteers, sponsors and supporters. Enspire Foundation is a reputable non-profit organization that does not condone violence or misconduct behaviour in any way, shape or form. To additionally make things clear, I have not been active with Enspire for quite some time now, so there is no need to associate my actions with the integrity of Enspire Foundation.

I apologize to UBC Athletics and Recreation and to the UBC Rowing Team, the coaches, the athletes, my coworkers and manager, its other employees, its participants and its clients. In no way, shape or form does UBC Athletics or the UBC Rowing team condone violence or misconduct, and should thus not be associated with my actions. To additionally clarify, I have not been a part of the UBC Rowing Team at all during the last term.

Lastly, I apologize to the Faculty of Science. The faculty of science in no way, shape or form condones violence or misconduct. My actions should not be reflective of the good research and work that they have performed.

My Story

I know a lot of you don’t believe me, but the truth is that I take full responsibility for my actions and am sincerely apologetic for what I did.$ What I did was completely out of character for me, but I did it because I was influenced by mob mentality. I want to shed light onto the thought process that was in my head so that maybe you can all get a little bit of an understanding and sympathize for people like me, who made wrong decisions but have now become victims of this social media form of mob mentality.

Why don’t I think I deserve all this treatment?

Because for one, I’ve admitted to my mistakes, two, I am ready to deal with the consequences in a judicial manner, and three, because (may I remind you that) I am responsible for theft – a fairly minor action compared to vandalism and arson. Please remember and understand that I am not responsible for the riot.

I did not vandalize any buildings.
I did not set fire on anything.
I did not break any glass.
I did not instigate the riot.
I did not physically harm anybody.
I did not jump on any cop cars.
I did not even plan on being in the riot.

On any regular day I would not condone looting.

However, at the time of the riot everything just seemed so right.

At the time, being a part of the riot was simply to fulfill the adrenaline rush I was looking and hoping for – an adrenaline rush that I previously got from post-winning games: hugging randoms, dancing on the streets, honking car horns non-stop, and high-fiving just about everybody.$ In the same way that everybody enjoyed collectively showing pride in our team, it was enjoyable to express my disappointment in a collective manor.

I had no intentions of defiling the city.$ I love Vancouver as much as you do – I’ve lived here since I was 7 months old.$ But in my immature, intoxicated perspective all I saw was that the riot was happening, and would continue happening with or without me, so I might as well get my adrenaline fix.

And what was going on my head about the stealing?

As bad as it sounds, the stealing was purely fun for me.$ I had no intentions with the product. I just wanted to get a souvenir at the time. I took two sized 42 mens dress pants. I’m a woman’s size 6-8.$ I don’t have any brothers, cousins, boyfriends, fathers, grandfathers or anything else of the like that are size 42 in mens. I did not plan on selling them either.

*FYI: The pants will be returned, but are not yet returned because the cops want to schedule an appropriate time and date to do so.

I’m a UBC student, and an adult. Shouldn’t I know the difference between wrong and right?

Well yes, I should…but in certain circumstances our perspectives get seriously skewed. It was extremely hard to see the consequences in taking a couple pants, when around me people were lighting up cars, smashing windows and inflicting physical pain on one another. My train of thought at this point was that “the place is already broken into, most of the contents of the store have already been stolen, so what difference does it make if I take a couple things?” Not convinced? Maybe Christopher Schneider, assistant professor of sociology at UBC, can convince you. In his recent quote in the Vancouver Sun he states:

“When the riot started unfolding …you have a lot of law-abiding citizens hanging around downtown who otherwise would’ve got out of Dodge…When you have a mob or riot-like activity, individual accountability tends to go out the window. People see other people setting fires and they think, ‘I’m going to set a fire too, and I won’t get caught.’ These types of people typically wouldn’t set a fire on their own.”

But still, a lot of you don’t find credibility in the theory of mob mentality

I’ve heard people discredit the theory of mob mentality in the case of the 2011 Vancouver Riot. People say that it is clearly possible not to be influenced by others, because for one, majority of people left downtown right away and didn’t participate. And further, that many people who stayed didn’t do anything but watch/take pictures/film. Therefore anybody who tries to reason out by citing the theory of mob mentality is just finding a scape goat. Not true. I would know. John Tauer, physiology professor of the University of St. Thomas would probably also know. In a Minnesota newspaper he states that “many factors…create a mob mentality — though emotion and alcohol do top the list.”

And that’s really what it was for me. I was immature, intoxicated, full of adrenaline, disappointed in the loss, filled with young rage, and have a “go-out-and-do-it” kind of personality. It had nothing to do with anarchy because I am definitely not an anarchist.$ I am a law-abiding citizen that has had a clean slate criminal record before this night.$ I had no intentions on harming the law, the city, any businesses or any people. It was a spur of the moment kind of thing and I just got caught up in the chaos.

As soon as I left the riot I knew that what I did was wrong.

As soon as I left the riot I knew that what I did was wrong. My levels of alcohol and adrenaline in my blood had seriously died down, and I was no longer surrounded by the mob. It’s a little funny to me that that was so, because this is exactly what Schneider was explaining earlier: that people lose their individual accountability when in a mob.

If I knew that I was wrong, then why didn’t I do something about it sooner?

I knew that I was going to return the pants and tell the cops that I made a mistake, but why did I wait 2.5 days instead of .5-1 day? Well, that would be out of pure nervousness…nervous to tell my parents and my sister. I was raised in a good family and I was more nervous to tell them than the cops. I had to be okay with admitting it to them before I could go out to the cops.

The infamous smile

And still, a lot of people will never find remorse for me because I had a huge smile on my face. But like I said earlier, it was fun at the time. I thought it was pretty funny because this is the only time that I would ever do something like this.$ The smile on my face was an “I’m such a badass I can’t believe I’m doing this!” kind of look.

If you still don’t believe I’m a good person, here’s a little side story for you:

As many of you already know, I am majoring in Conservation Biology at UBC. I strongly belirve in ecological conservation and sustainability. That night, I saw a few$ people that were trying to knock trees down. So what did I do? I yelled at them, saying “Pleaaseee, not the treees!!!!” And what did they do? They stopped. And I felt like a hero.

The “21st Century Witch Hunt?”

In social media sites such as facebook and twitter, we have seen the following actions regarding the riot:

mass amounts of people acting in ways that they would not normally act
people thinking its okay to harm others because everybody else is doing it as well
ensuring that peoples’ lives are destroyed, by making sure everybody collectively e-mails, phones and spams their families, their jobs, their schools, and all others that they are associated with (do it for your country! no wrath! vengeance is ours! the lives of others are miniscule the actions that they have mistakenly done!)
trying to ruin the reputation of all organizations that they are associated with
threatening associations to ruin their reputation if they do not disassociate themselves with that person
exaggerating what that person did in order to make their actions seem completely unforgivable
Does this sound a little bit familiar?$ I don’t know about you, but to me this sounds like people are trying to retaliate by yet another form of mobbing – the thing about this form of mob mentality that astounds me is that this time they’re doing it sober.$ As Beer writes in a recent blog that I ran into, “Let’s hope the guilty are found and punished, but also try to make sure the online search for them doesn’t devolve into a 21st century witch hunt.”

Furthermore, the VPD does not support the negative behaviour that has been so prevalent online.$ In fact, many of you should even be careful of what you say online, because everything that you say online is basically written in stone.$ And anything that you say can and will likely be used against you in court.$ If not in the judicial court, then in this new-aged social media court that everybody seems so happy and willing to partake in.

The judicial court is designed to give accused individuals the punishment that they deserve based on the actions that they have made, and protect them from punishments that they do not deserve.$ It is made up of people that have received years of education and training.$ This new social-media court that we see is made up of people who likely know very little about rightful punishments.$ They make decisions based on emotions and try to incriminate individuals in harsh ways that are extremely unnecessary.$ We need to leave the decision making to the experts, who can separate themselves from emotional decisions provide just punishments.

The VPD defined harassment for me the other day: that it is multiple attempts of unwanted communication.$ They further advised me to file harassment on anybody who did not leave me alone.

A Peripheral Aside: Notes on Feminism & Racism

There are a few things that I have seen on social media sites that have come across to me as a major concern.$ First off, a little bit about racism:

Since I am a Canadian citizen, I am aware of my rights.$ Let me show you a little insert from the Canadian Charter of Rights:

Equality Rights

EQUALITY BEFORE AND UNDER LAW AND EQUAL PROTECTION AND BENEFIT OF LAW / Affirmative action programs.

15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

Racism is not accepted in my country, so to the following people, and all others of the like, if you are going to make racist remarks, then maybe you should leave our country.


@Mo Hill, I’m glad you own a colour TV.$ I suggest also owning a time machine.$ That way you can go back to the 1960′s, when colour TVs first started selling in large numbers…and when racist remarks like yours were much more appreciated. Also, Mr. I’m-so-Canadian, learn how to spell colour right.$ In Canada we spell colour with a ‘u‘.$ It’s because we are part of the British Commonwealth.$ Were you aware of that?$ If not, try reading up on it on Wikipedia.$ (PS, that is what people in the kom-pyu-ter-world call a hy-per-link – sound it out, it’s not too hard!)$ You can click on it and it will direct you to the Wikipedia page I was talking about.$ You can also find other important information on there, such as, articles on stupidity, imbeciles and mental retardation. $ Hope that helps, xox!!!).

Here’s another thing that bothers me: why is everybody so surprised that a female partook in the riot?$ What is with this attitude that females are incapable of doing what men can do?$ Maybe it takes an event like this to show you misogynists that woman are fully capable of anything you can do.$ And if my actions lead to that revelation in your obscure little heads, then maybe it’s a good thing that I partook in this event.

My Theory & Thoughts on the situation

What do I think of this whole situation?
I think it has been completely blown out of control.
I think that people are all over my case for several reasons:

1) I’ve lived here all my life so I am bound to have made a few enemies along the way.$
It seems abnormal how passionate some people are at trying to ruin my life.$ Well you know what?$ I think it’s sad how much you all want to ruin my life and how I have become the centre of your worlds.

2) I’m a UBC student that works two jobs, volunteers and am athletic.
Well guess what folks?$ People who work hard make mistakes too.$ And to the guy who called me a “disrespectful spoiled little bitch,” you are completely wrong.$ I was raised by hardworking parents and was taught to work hard for myself.$ I work hard to pay for my own rent, my own groceries, my own bills, and my hobbies.$ I have additionally also been fully responsible for financing my own education.$ I have been working since I was 14 years old – as soon as I was legally able to do so.$ I have been responsible for obtaining my volunteer opportunities and my work opportunities.$ So please people, find it in your humane hearts to let the cops deal with the rest of this.

3) I have been dehumanized.
Nobody has sympathy for a picture.$ I have been painted out as a criminal, and not the person that I really am.$ Everybody associates me with all the bad things that have happened in the riot.$ I do not agree at all with how far the riot went.$ If you must know, I wasn’t even at the riot when it was at its peak.$ And to the girl that messaged my sister on Facebook, I sincerely apologize that your boyfriend got stabbed, but I had nothing to do with that.$ I wish him the best and I hope he gets better.$ But please separate me, and especially my family from these horrible things that have been done.$ Remember, the only thing that I did was take a couple things from a store.$ It’s fairly minor compared to the rest of the acts that were done.

4) People don’t know how else to vent their anger
I honestly think that the reason why people are so strongly targeting people like me is because people are upset.$ They are drunk off of emotions, and want to do everything they can to fix their city.$ I completely understand that and like I said, am not proud of myself!$ Collaborating to clean up the city?$ Excellent way to remediate the mess.$ IDing people?$ Very helpful for the VPD – saves time and money for the cops and in the end for our city.$ Harassing people, ruining their lives, and finding unlawful punishments?$ Not at all helpful.$ It gives the cops more things to deal with, and is in a way a form of anarchy.$ The laws were made for everybody to follow: criminals and spectators alike.$ So for you to disregard the laws makes it seem like you are an anarchist…starting a mob…based on social media…starting to get the picture yet?

Anyways, long story short, venting your anger on people does not make the situation better, so feel free to ID people and help in ways that you can, but don’t ruin our lives!

My Requests:

In the Canadian society that we all know and love, we are taught to be righteous individuals, to stand up for our rights, and to be loyal to society.$ Well great, props to everybody for being loyal to society by IDing people.$ They (we) will get what they (we) deserve.$ But you guys are completely forgetting that we have rights as well.$$ It is completely unrighteous to be spending your entire day(s) contacting us, re-posting our pictures, and having everybody collaborate to ruin our lives.$ Not even the VPD spend that much time on us, so please simmer down a tad bit.

Not only that, but Canada prides itself in being a peaceful country.$ We Canadians are loved around the world because we know how to handle ourselves and we avoid war as much as possible.$ The actions that I have seen on social media sites are embarrassing to our country and our reputation.$ These actions do not reflect the kindness that us Canadians are all known and loved for.

So please, give me, my family, my friends, my school, my employers, and everybody else or everything that I am or was associated with a break.$ It’s called mistakes.$ I learned from my mistake, I am not proud of my mistake, and I will make sure not to be influenced by people as easily as I was.$ I will make sure to make proper judgements on all my decisions in life.$ I am prepared to do community work, pay fines, and if worst comes to worst, even a criminal record.$ The same goes for Nathan Kotylak, Sienna St. Laurent, Jason Li and all the others who deserve a break.

As angry as this blog is (a natural response after seeing people repeatedly trying to – successfully – ruin your life), I am again very sorry for my actions. I have reported to the VPD, will return the pants when they want me to, and am currently waiting to see what I will be punished with.

I want to save this last paragraph to my friends and family who have supported me through this difficult time.$ Without your help I may have lost my mind already.$ To those who know me and have turned their backs on me, please delete me from Facebook and disassociate yourself from me as much as possible because I don’t want to have anything to do with you.

Thank you ever so kindly for your time.

Sincerely,

Camille Cacnio
AKA: “Looter”, “Flip”, “Anarchist”, “Criminal”, “disrespectful spoiled little bitch”, “skank”, “lowlife”, “disgrace”, “POS”, “troglodyte”, “scum of the earth”, and much much more.
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[marksport]

While that would be ideal, the G20 is a little different as the security budget was handled on a Federal level and each country's heads of states also brought in their own security details as well. The VPD should've anticipated the situation better but even if they had, the VPD had no resources as City Hall and our Mayor wouldn't approve the extra budget and finances for the necessary resources.

On a daily basis, the VPD is already really short on budget to hire the necessary number of officers for our growing city. Someone early in this thread posted an article showing how under financed the VPD is not having enough vehicles for it's existing officers that they had to use taxis and their own personal vehicles to perform police work.


Update from VPD



http://vpdreleases.icontext.com/2011/06/20/riot-investigation-fact-sheet/


I agree with you on this, no money for extra people. At G20, they knew that a riot was inevitable and had the budget/manpower to deal with it. Looks like there are more riot cops in that pic that VPD had at the beginning of the game. The VPD fact sheet shows that so far all those whom have formal charges against them are males.

[Sid Vicious]

went to hs with her hahah

whata garbage, self serving apology.

looks to immediately deflect blame by showing all the people who said "racist" things to her

it wasn't my fault, it was the mob mentality!!!!!!!!!

some people just need to shut the fuck up and take whats coming to them

[MrGoodbar]

Not sure what's up but her blog apology got cut short. Not sure if she deleted some of the more idiotic things she said but:


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you know she's not fucking sorry if she's taking shit back when people lash back at her.

[Ronin]

The racist and homophobic comments in this case are not necessary. We want to get these people behind bars or some other sort of punishment. By calling people chinks or fags or whatever, we're just giving the public reason to sympathize with them and perhaps holes in the case against them.

I know we joke about this stuff on RS all the time but I've kept my chatter mostly clean during this incident for exactly this purpose. Give them nothing to doubt our purposes.

[JD¹³]

I say step it up, this means G20ing every fucking intersection
I have to disagree with that statement. That many police causes issues like we saw at the G20 with excessive force and wrongful imprisonment.

The VPD could have handled the rioters we had with greater show of force. As soon as the first car was lit up they should have been in there with their shields boxing in the trouble and hauling them all away. Guys throwing Molotov Cocktails and other items at Police: nail them with rubber bullets, box them in, and haul them away.

I guarantee had the Police treated the first rioters like they should have, as criminals instead of just trying to intimidate them out of downtown, the chaos would not have spread. Most of the people who partook in the riots would have checked out at first sight of the Police actually taking control of the situation. Instead the Police literally let them do whatever they wanted and just told them to go home until they finally did.

[Toeknee]

edit...

[van_driver]

im gonna get failed for this but am i the only one that thinks VPD handled it perfectly fine?

I mean sure they could've used more force and tazed or shot rubber bullets at people but the VPD already has such a bad rep that it would probably only create lawsuits against the VPD. I say good job VPD, only property was damaged and no one was killed or seriously injured (that i know of).

I can guarantee, if they used even a bit more force, it would probably turn into "vancouver police assault people all the time" bullshit

[Energy]

^ Nope, I agree with you. The police were very professional that night.

[SB7]

"Here’s another thing that bothers me: why is everybody so surprised that a female partook in the riot?$ What is with this attitude that females are incapable of doing what men can do?$ Maybe it takes an event like this to show you misogynists that woman are fully capable of anything you can do.$ And if my actions lead to that revelation in your obscure little heads, then maybe it’s a good thing that I partook in this event."

LOL defensive bitch with flawed logic doesn't get the point at all.

[lgman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znxxrXeeGiI&feature=player_embedded

My response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11_xf7K0C1k

[wingies]

Anyone see the other riot sites if they have that fucking bitch camille's unedited version of her "apology" letter?

We can't let her get away with her edited version, its like we all proofread it for her lol

[DanHibiki]

It's like she's lurking revscene andraking all your suggestions!

[SB7]

Anyone see the other riot sites if they have that fucking bitch camille's unedited version of her "apology" letter?

We can't let her get away with her edited version, its like we all proofread it for her lol

go back a page, someone posted the full version

[bing]

im gonna get failed for this but am i the only one that thinks VPD handled it perfectly fine?

I mean sure they could've used more force and tazed or shot rubber bullets at people but the VPD already has such a bad rep that it would probably only create lawsuits against the VPD. I say good job VPD, only property was damaged and no one was killed or seriously injured (that i know of).

I can guarantee, if they used even a bit more force, it would probably turn into "vancouver police assault people all the time" bullshit

I think they did a great job as well.

People just have unrealistic expectations about the police. They may have been a bit unprepared but that's about it. I doubt a lot of the people criticizing the police for other reasons have the education, experience, and training to handle these types of situations.

[sonick]

im gonna get failed for this but am i the only one that thinks VPD handled it perfectly fine?

I mean sure they could've used more force and tazed or shot rubber bullets at people but the VPD already has such a bad rep that it would probably only create lawsuits against the VPD. I say good job VPD, only property was damaged and no one was killed or seriously injured (that i know of).

I can guarantee, if they used even a bit more force, it would probably turn into "vancouver police assault people all the time" bullshit

Agreed, the officers themselves did as well as they could considering the situation.

However, the VPD were ill-equipped and undermanned for the event. There should've been far more police presence before, during and after.

[Toeknee]

where can i upload a full-size 1100x7300 pixel image? I copied camille's original apology lol

[Vale46Rossi]

where can i upload a full-size 1100x7300 pixel image? I copied camille's original apology lol

use imageshack!


thanks so much! I want that one

[pizzaMR2]

That's not even close to an apology! She stated she's wasn't part of the riot, yet her theft was. Then she goes on and tries to blame people for putting her on the blast, saying it's all in writing etc.

WTF!


also, not even going to touch the Charter issue because she's THAT retarded!

[pamplemousse]

http://thestanchionapology.blogspot.com/

spoof of camille's apology lol

[terryjai]

^^ lol
6660....

[RacePace]

http://camillecacnioapology.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/dear-vancouver-i-am-sorry/




Did she edit everything after the apology?

Fuckin lol

[Toeknee]

use imageshack!


thanks so much! I want that one

Here it is lol

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/2083/camilleapology.png

I have a feeling that she's going to get as much abuse as jessica slaughter. She did it to herself so... she done goofed

[Vale46Rossi]

Here it is lol

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/2083/camilleapology.png

I have a feeling that she's going to get as much abuse as jessica slaughter. She did it to herself so... she done goofed

reposted it for you


http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/2083/camilleapology.png

[jtroung]

http://therealcamille.wordpress.com/

[spoon.ek9]

bitch is getting what she deserves for trying to hold her nose up looking down on us like she's the one who's right. bitch, you don't get to dictate your punishment. that's self entitlement at a whole different level. best thing she can do is stfu, accept the consequences and try to move on and do good with her life.

yes, the mob mentality has swung the other way but that's to be expected. it isn't acceptable in some cases but rioting is not acceptable in any case or form.

[Liquid_o2]

This girl is getting owned for her continued stupidity.

I don't care if she goes to jail or even does community service. Just having her name tarnished is good enough for me.

[Osaka]

She's one of those stupid people who'd jump off a bridge if she saw others doing it. Mob mentality my ass!! She should take a long look in the mirror and figure out who really fucked up and deserves all the humiliation.

[dasani604]

I feel bad for her....because she's gonna get fucked in the ass :fuckyea:

There should be absolutely no sympathy to the people who physically and verbally participated in these riots. A bit of leeway can be given to those who just stood around not doing anything because even I would feel a bit scared to do something with a huge mob of uneducated asshats around me.

Hopefully these people get their just desserts.

[Meowjin]

ubc students = smrt

[MrGoodbar]

"It seems abnormal how passionate some people are at trying to ruin my life. Well you know what? I think it’s sad how much you all want to ruin my life and how I have become the centre of your worlds."

HAI GAIZ YOU ARE ALL NOW REVOLVERINGING AROUND HER!! SHE IS NOW THE CENTRE OF YOUR WORLD!!! How fucking stuck up is this bitch?

[Energy]

She took down the passage about the trees!! How could she do that!??!

[MrGoodbar]

She took down the passage about the trees!! How could she do that!??!


She took down the passage about the trees!! How could people know she's a hero now?!

oh wait... http://therealcamille.wordpress.com/

[DanHibiki]

http://thestanchionapology.blogspot.com/

spoof of camille's apology lol

I was having a bad day and feel sad but this cracked me up like crazy.

Thanks!

[tool001]

http://news.ca.msn.com/top-stories/vancouver-police-shift-blame-for-riot-1

Vancouver police shift blame for riot


Vancouver police are no longer focusing blame on just a core group of people who came prepared to cause trouble for the riot that swept through the city last week.

On Monday, police said their investigation has revealed more details about the background of the rioters that police were not aware of immediately following the riot.

"Based on the best information we had the following morning, we stated that the instigators among the mob were 'criminals, anarchists and thugs who came to town bent on destruction and mayhem' regardless of the outcome of the game," said police Chief Jim Chu.

"While we are still standing by that observation about the instigators, we are learning that most of the people that joined in the riot and that have now been charged represent a wider spectrum of young people, many of whom do not have criminal records."

The riot broke out after the Vancouver Canucks lost the final game of the Stanley Cup to the Boston Bruins on Wednesday night. More than 100,000 people were downtown to watch the game on giant screens set up in the streets by the City of Vancouver and outside CBC.

117 arrested and 2 charged

Police say 117 people have been arrested in connection with the riot, including roughly 100 people who were arrested during the riot on Wednesday for breach of the peace. About a dozen people also turned themselves in to the Vancouver police and three to other police agencies.

Just two people have been charged, but police have recommended charges against six other men for various offences and those are currently awaiting approval by Crown counsel.

"Edgar Ricardo Garcia, 20, of Burnaby, has been charged with aggravated assault in connection with an incident where two men were stabbed in the 700 block of Hornby Street," said a statement released by Chu on Monday.

"Joshua Lyle Evans, 27, of Calgary, has been charged with possessing a weapon dangerous to the public peace in connection with the same incident," said the statement.

Unique investigation raises challenges

Chu said a team of investigators is checking the mass of information on social media websites and in videos and photographs submitted to police, which is posing unique opportunities and challenges for investigators.

"The sheer volume and speed of the information is overwhelming," said Sgt. Dale Weidman.

"In a routine case we have a clear crime and then take steps to identify the suspect and compile evidence. In these cases, we have names of suspects before we know exactly what they did and where they did it. Obtaining that information quickly is the challenge as we work backwards from the end point to the beginning," said Weidman.

The Integrated Riot Investigative Unit, which was formed to handle the unique investigation will expand to more than three dozen officers and civilian analysts over the next few days, said Chu.

Police have received about 3,500 email tips from the public including:

- 53 with videos attached.

- 280 Crime Stoppers tips received.

- 344 emails containing only text.

- 676 with links to YouTube.

- 708 tips with images attached.

- 1,011 with hyperlinks to other social media sites other than YouTube (mostly Facebook).

"We may not be able to respond to everyone as quickly as we would prefer but we are committed to getting back to every single person who contacts us as soon as we can. In the meantime, I would ask everyone to not destroy any evidence they may have already sent us," said Chu.

The Vancouver police are urging those who were caught in the act on video and in photos to come forward and turn themselves in.

"If you come in voluntarily, you can do so discreetly and at a time that is convenient for you," said Chu.

"If you wait until we find you — and we will find you — we will arrest you in a public manner suitable to the public crimes you have committed."

Violence was predictable: poll

Meanwhile, a new survey of 906 British Columbians by AngusReid found 90 per cent of those polled said they felt disgust about the riot.

According to the poll, which was conducted last Thursday and Friday, 73 per cent of British Columbians disagreed with statements by officials that there was no way to know that the crowd assembled in downtown Vancouver would become violent.

The poll found 79 per cent of British Columbians agreed that the riot was caused by a small group of people and 66 per cent of British Columbians agreed with the way Vancouver police handled the riots.

However 94 per cent said there needs to be a larger police presence for crowd control in the future. The poll concludes alcohol sales should be banned on the day of a sporting event.

About 60 per cent of those surveyed supported the creation of a single police force that would oversee the entire Lower Mainland.

Pollster Mario Canseco said the online survey of a representative group has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.3 per cent.

[Mancini]

I was re-reading the thread where the guy wrecked his BMW by driving it into a lamp pole and then asked revscene to help him get away with it and avoid all responsibility for the damages and the danger he left behind. In that case he was only trying to get out of paying an insurance premium surcharge, which isn't a huge price to pay in the grand scheme of things.

http://www.revscene.net/forums/totaled-car-need-t645309.html?t=645309

A number of the outraged people in this thread were supporting the OP's criminal behavior in the other thread. Or, they were criticizing and/or failing the poster(s) who were in favor of reporting him to authorities.

Talk about double standards.

[Meowjin]

so apparently im going to be in tomorrow's 24 newspaper. Somoene keep an eye out for my name (andreas)

[Harvey Specter]

I remember posting this guy right after the riots, lol.

http://thedirty.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/96.jpg
http://thedirty.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Untitled-230.jpg
http://thedirty.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/9999.jpg

http://thedirty.com/2011/06/ashamed-of-my-people/

[shawn79]

so apparently im going to be in tomorrow's 24 newspaper. Somoene keep an eye out for my name (andreas)

what happened?

[victorbravo]

http://www.gigapixel.com/image/gigatag-canucks-g7.html

Pick out your favourite rioter

[anl27]

anyone work out at the ubc birdcoop?

pretty sure the camille chick works at the front desk there ...

[Meowjin]

what happened?

I dunno, my manager came and informed me that I will be in tomorrows 24. I think it's for carrying the guy to the hospital.

[optiblue]

How dare she change her story!
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[Hondaracer]

halfer girls usually look hot/unique

halfer guys look weak/timid lol

[lgman]

http://virtualtours.northstudio.com/vancouverriot2/#/Vancouver%20Riots/

360 video from within the riots. I don't know how they did this but good job!

[Greenstoner]

http://virtualtours.northstudio.com/vancouverriot2/#/Vancouver%20Riots/

360 video from within the riots. I don't know how they did this but good job!

the waldo guy was fun, brings back my memory

[RiceIntegraRS]

heres a couple fights from the riot i dont think ive seen in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKwyyQzabxc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcZNRznFXqE

[$_$]

im gonna get failed for this but am i the only one that thinks VPD handled it perfectly fine?

I mean sure they could've used more force and tazed or shot rubber bullets at people but the VPD already has such a bad rep that it would probably only create lawsuits against the VPD. I say good job VPD, only property was damaged and no one was killed or seriously injured (that i know of).

I can guarantee, if they used even a bit more force, it would probably turn into "vancouver police assault people all the time" bullshit



Think about it this way. Judging by the sheer amount of people that ignored the riot act (that includes our own RS members; you heard them too), there was just too many people that was not part of the riot that stayed as part of the crowd to either document or to live in the moment. Imagine if police used water hose on everyone as many have suggested; how many of you would have damaged equipment- phones, cameras, that would not be happy with the VPD. Shooting rubber bullets or rushing into the crowd with the riot police? Nah, a lot more would be angry at the police and might not even want to turn in the evidence they collected. The police did the absolute right thing this time, and only because of how technology evolved. They were calm in not aggravating the majority of the crowd, and then collect and use the information by the public afterwards for prosecution.

[Greenstoner]

heres a couple fights from the riot i dont think ive seen in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKwyyQzabxc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcZNRznFXqE

nice video, this brown guy watches a lot of UFC .. haha

[fliptuner]

nice video, this brown guy watches a lot of Bieksa .. haha

fix'd

[SkinnyPupp]

im gonna get failed for this but am i the only one that thinks VPD handled it perfectly fine?

I mean sure they could've used more force and tazed or shot rubber bullets at people but the VPD already has such a bad rep that it would probably only create lawsuits against the VPD. I say good job VPD, only property was damaged and no one was killed or seriously injured (that i know of).

I can guarantee, if they used even a bit more force, it would probably turn into "vancouver police assault people all the time" bullshit
The VPD themselves did a great job, considering the situation they were put it. The problem is, the PLAN ITSELF was horrible, and they were put into a shitty situation. Like I said a few pages back, they needed to have a HUGE presence during the game, and should have been EVERYWHERE to encourage people to go home. Make arrests on every little incident, before it escalates, and it probably would have gone a bit smoother.

The Chief said things went well because the riot only lasted 3 hours.

http://carlrules.com/images/seriously.jpg

If that's really what they considered a success, then Vancouver was fucked to begin with.

[SkinnyPupp]

While that would be ideal, the G20 is a little different as the security budget was handled on a Federal level and each country's heads of states also brought in their own security details as well. The VPD should've anticipated the situation better but even if they had, the VPD had no resources as City Hall and our Mayor wouldn't approve the extra budget and finances for the necessary resources.

On a daily basis, the VPD is already really short on budget to hire the necessary number of officers for our growing city. Someone early in this thread posted an article showing how under financed the VPD is not having enough vehicles for it's existing officers that they had to use taxis and their own personal vehicles to perform police work.


Update from VPD



http://vpdreleases.icontext.com/2011/06/20/riot-investigation-fact-sheet/

Charges

A total of 117 people have been arrested for a variety of offences, including breach of the peace, public intoxication, breach of probation, assault, mischief, theft, possession of stolen property and obstructing a peace officer.

Many charges are pending, however, formal charges have been recommended in the following cases:

Twenty year-old Edgar Ricardo Garcia of Burnaby is charged with aggravated assault stemming from an incident where two men were stabbed in the 700 block of Hornby Street on June 15.
Twenty-seven year-old Joshua Lyle Evans of Calgary is charged with possessing a weapon dangerous to the public peace. This stems from the same incident in the 700 block of Hornby Street.
A 21 year old man from Ladner with no previous criminal convictions is facing charges of mischief and participation in a riot. He is alleged to have broken a rear tail light and rear window of a green pick-up truck parked in the 300 block of West Georgia Street.
A 19 year old man from Surrey, with no previous criminal convictions, is facing charges of break and enter, theft and participation in a riot, stemming from an incident in the 700 block of West Georgia Street. It is alleged that he entered the Hudson’s Bay Company and stole a Coach purse.
A 17 year old youth from Maple Ridge with no previous criminal convictions is facing charges of participation in a riot and of arson for allegedly lighting a police car on fire in the 100 block of West Georgia.
An 18 year old man from Delta with no previous criminal convictions is facing a charge of mischief and participating in a riot for allegedly kicking a hole through the window of the Budget Rental Car office located in the 400 block of West Georgia.
A 20 year old man from Maple Ridge with no previous criminal convictions is facing charges of mischief and participating in a riot after allegedly breaking a window of the Bank of Montreal located at Homer and West Georgia.
A 22 year old man from Burnaby, with no previous criminal convictions is facing charges of assaulting a peace officer, break and enter, mischief and participation in a riot stemming from an incident at Library Square where he allegedly threw a water bottle at the police, broke a window and then entered a building.

http://i.imgur.com/QwC3d.png

[Spidey]

The VPD themselves did a great job, considering the situation they were put it. The problem is, the PLAN ITSELF was horrible, and they were put into a shitty situation. Like I said a few pages back, they needed to have a HUGE presence during the game, and should have been EVERYWHERE to encourage people to go home. Make arrests on every little incident, before it escalates, and it probably would have gone a bit smoother.

The Chief said things went well because the riot only lasted 3 hours.

http://carlrules.com/images/seriously.jpg

If that's really what they considered a success, then Vancouver was fucked to begin with.

You can blame the mayor for this one.. tree hugger robertson would rather spend money on hippy bike lanes than to protect the actual city from this type of shit.

A caller on the team 1040 the next day said his neighbour is VPD. His neighbour got home at 5am the day after being a part of the riot control and admitted they were way understaff due to one reason: The VPD requested permission to have more officers work game 7 (or maybe even the whole final run) but they were DENIED BY ROBERTSON due to budget reasons.

So the VPD did what they could with what they had. Instead of having enough officer presence during the whole event, they had to bring in cops from all over the lower mainland when it was already too late. I hate how the VPD basically have been biting their tongue, covering for the Happy Planet loser, Robertson.

[Spidey]

http://i.imgur.com/QwC3d.png

So EIGHT of the 100+ weren't from Vancouver.. doesn't show much... People from vancouver have to stop being so ignorant that there were a ton of people that were involved in the riot were vancouverites as well.

[SkinnyPupp]

So EIGHT of the 100+ weren't from Vancouver.. doesn't show much... People from vancouver have to stop being so ignorant that there were a ton of people that were involved in the riot were vancouverites as well.
8 of the 8 formally charged are not from Vancouver... we'll see where the rest of the 100+ come from, I guess. Obviously not everyone is from the suburbs.

I just thought it was an interesting observation, that's all.. not saying much about it :)

[Spidey]

i think when most people say they are from "vancouver" they mean metro vancouver, which means every township/city that is listed in the 8 that were formally charged...

[Nlkko]

Think about it this way. Judging by the sheer amount of people that ignored the riot act (that includes our own RS members; you heard them too), there was just too many people that was not part of the riot that stayed as part of the crowd to either document or to live in the moment. Imagine if police used water hose on everyone as many have suggested; how many of you would have damaged equipment- phones, cameras, that would not be happy with the VPD. Shooting rubber bullets or rushing into the crowd with the riot police? Nah, a lot more would be angry at the police and might not even want to turn in the evidence they collected. The police did the absolute right thing this time, and only because of how technology evolved. They were calm in not aggravating the majority of the crowd, and then collect and use the information by the public afterwards for prosecution.

There should have been more officers including undercover ones in the crowd when the game began. There was no excuse for them not being there. They didn't need to do shit. Their presence alone would have been enough.Failing to do that alone is an F minus.

For the tiny little force they have after shits already went down, they did an ok job I give it that. Doesn't really matter though. Downtown Vancouver was doomed before the game was even began.

[HansonBoy]

heres a couple fights from the riot i dont think ive seen in this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcZNRznFXqE

Hahaha you see the brown kid in the Sedin shirt get socked in the back of the head in this vid!! The pic sequence was a few pages back.

[Spidey]

There should have been more officers including undercover ones in the crowd when the game began. There was no excuse for them not being there. They didn't need to do shit. Their presence alone would have been enough.Failing to do that alone is an F minus.

For the tiny little force they have after shits already went down, they did an ok job I give it that. Doesn't really matter though. Downtown Vancouver was doomed before the game was even began.

Did you not read my post just above?

[Harvey Specter]

Hahaha you see the brown kid in the Sedin shirt get socked in the back of the head in this vid!! The pic sequence was a few pages back.

LOL, I mentioned the same sequence you're talking about a few pages back. I can't stop laughing every time I watch that clip, haha.

[gars]

Reports say there was an estimated 400-500 officers downtown. But experts have said, even if there were 1000 officers downtown - with a crowd size of 100'000 - if things suddenly go sout (like it did that night), 1000 officers would not have been enough to quiet it down quickly. They would still have had to redeploy (like they did) in riot gear. Having 1000 officers already in riot gear within a giant crowd like that would just be asking for trouble.

People don't understand what it's like for the police to try to handle a massive riot. Going up against the few who are causing the most amount of damage is useless. All you will do is just rile up the crowd, causing more violence and more agitated rioters. lets say you have 100 cops deployed together, but you're going against 1000 rioters - you will definitely be overwhelmed very, very quickly.

It's almost like a battle - they disperse the crowd, so they get put into smaller crowds, where hopefully, people disperse. You can't just right away say, "they lit that car on fire, we need to stop that right now", but there are thousands of people surrounding it, watching it.

[Tapioca]

Dustin Anderson is going to turn himself in, but not without taking a few jabs at the Fire Department:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/06/20/bc-riot-anderson-prochazka.html

[Harvey Specter]

Think about it, say 5% of the 100,000 were rowdy and trouble markers that's basically 5,000 thugs and criminals that the cops have to deal with. No way in hell would even 1000 cops make a difference. Like someone already said, trouble was brewing well before the game started. Biggest mistake was allowing that many people in a such a small area. Multiple sites might have worked better.

[gars]

I think having a location further away from businesses would be better. I understand that it'd be harder for the general public to get to, but being in the middle of nowhere means that the crowd would disperse a bit better. and like Jah Dean said, multiple sites is the key.

And honestly, I'm hoping that the GVRD as a whole pays for the costs - not just City of Vancouver.

[DanHibiki]

^Stanley Park?

[gars]

^Stanley Park?

I could see that working - or maybe PNE as well? like a big outdoor screen there?

but there isn't mass transit at that area. Problem is we only have 2 lines (2.5 lines) of mass transit....

[Mercy]

Dustin Anderson is going to turn himself in, but not without taking a few jabs at the Fire Department:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/06/20/bc-riot-anderson-prochazka.html


Wouldn't anyone agree that punching someone is worse then breaking some windows? Who does he think he is.
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[GodZilla]

I could see that working - or maybe PNE as well? like a big outdoor screen there?

but there isn't mass transit at that area. Problem is we only have 2 lines (2.5 lines) of mass transit....Did you see the trash left behind on the nights where there was no trouble? The park would get trashed and if it did I can see people having a fit and looking for blood. I know I would.

[drunkrussian]

Dustin Anderson is going to turn himself in, but not without taking a few jabs at the Fire Department:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/06/20/bc-riot-anderson-prochazka.html

wow. yet another rioter who a) surrenders only out of fear and b) uses the
"at least i wasnt as bad as that othee guy" excuse.

so fuckig pathetic. grow somw fucking balls and own up to your actions.
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[StylinRed]

I was re-reading the thread where the guy wrecked his BMW by driving it into a lamp pole and then asked revscene to help him get away with it and avoid all responsibility for the damages and the danger he left behind. In that case he was only trying to get out of paying an insurance premium surcharge, which isn't a huge price to pay in the grand scheme of things.

http://www.revscene.net/forums/totaled-car-need-t645309.html?t=645309

A number of the outraged people in this thread were supporting the OP's criminal behavior in the other thread. Or, they were criticizing and/or failing the poster(s) who were in favor of reporting him to authorities.

Talk about double standards.

totally missed that thread what the fuck....

lol @ all the fails on SoulCrusher because he forwarded it to the rcmp wtf?? lol

[drunkrussian]

I could see that working - or maybe PNE as well? like a big outdoor screen there?

but there isn't mass transit at that area. Problem is we only have 2 lines (2.5 lines) of mass transit....

they need to build a super state of the art screen in surrey and a humble one in vancouver. then send 75% of police to the surrey one lol
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[Harvey Specter]

Dustin Anderson is going to turn himself in, but not without taking a few jabs at the Fire Department:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/06/20/bc-riot-anderson-prochazka.html

What a joker.

The firefighters came into fight the car fire and get the fuck out and as cruel as it sounds they weren't obligated to help anyone that was injured because not only were they in direct danger but also the fire truck was a nice big shiny target for the rioters.

[Death2Theft]

Lets just say from a budgeting standpoint Robertson would much rather have insurance pay out than to have to pull money out of his ass to staff that many cops.
You know what I'd think would prevent another riot from happening again next year if we make the finals? A sh*load of riot police on the streets BEFORE the game. I'm quit disappointed in the VPD in general in how passive they were during the last game. I remember seeing on CTV one of the chief VPD officers was getting interviewed right after the game, and he was asked if there was going to be a riot or anything similar to the one that happened a while ago. He said "No, this is just another day and it can't get any worse." Meanwhile, people are burning cars everywhere, beating each other up, and looting from stores all over Downtown.

VPD needs to do whatever they can to step it up. If we can't stop the stupidity, we might as well try our best to prevent these idiots from giving our city a horrible name.

And when I say step it up, this means G20ing every fucking intersection like this:

http://www.psiopradio.com/wp-content/uploads/G20.jpg

[drunkrussian]

Reports say there was an estimated 400-500 officers downtown. But experts have said, even if there were 1000 officers downtown - with a crowd size of 100'000 - if things suddenly go sout (like it did that night), 1000 officers would not have been enough to quiet it down quickly. They would still have had to redeploy (like they did) in riot gear. Having 1000 officers already in riot gear within a giant crowd like that would just be asking for trouble.

People don't understand what it's like for the police to try to handle a massive riot. Going up against the few who are causing the most amount of damage is useless. All you will do is just rile up the crowd, causing more violence and more agitated rioters. lets say you have 100 cops deployed together, but you're going against 1000 rioters - you will definitely be overwhelmed very, very quickly.

It's almost like a battle - they disperse the crowd, so they get put into smaller crowds, where hopefully, people disperse. You can't just right away say, "they lit that car on fire, we need to stop that right now", but there are thousands of people surrounding it, watching it.

i agree: the police are not at fault and from what i hear did a good job of surrounding thr douchebags into one small area. thr problem wws that everyone knew there would be a riot and nothing was done to plan appropriately in terms of limitig the crowds downtown. the "well game 6 and 5 were ok" excuse doesnt fly because nobody riots in game 6 or 5. as shitty as it is, for events of this size there needs to be some sort of filter. either have several big enclosed and policed venues within which to watch (like durin the olympics) and charge up the ass to get rid of the trash or dont have anything public at all, at least not downtown. i think the latter is more realistic. hate to say it, but we dont deserve a public space anymore...2/2 times idiots rioted. there are obviously too many assholes in this city that the choice for the rest of us is either to give up on some of these priviledges or pay money to clean up the dipshits' mess each time
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[seakrait]

IIRC, both the City and the Province were asked for funds/more staffing by the VPD. Both Gregor and Christy Clark said no. In fact, Christy Clark said the Province would pay for the parade. Pffft, way to put your cart before the horse.

The VPD only has a finite number of officers as well (around 1300). Not all of them are frontline officers. The VPD won't state how many were at the Live Site but keep in mind that you can't have all 1300 officers there. There still is the rest of Vancouver to patrol. There are still robberies to solve, murderers to track, rapists to catch. Also, there'll be officers that'll be going off shift and trust me, although overtime money is good, you can only keep going for so long.

So really, the VPD were up shit creek without a paddle. They were left high and dry by the City and the Province and they did the best with what they had. Only when the riot started did the necessity of more officers to protect life and property become so important that cost stopped being a factor. Then Abby PD and Surrey RCMP and other detachments sent in some officers to back up the VPD. Don't recall seeing any RCMP officers dealing directly with rioters though. I think they were there mostly for containment.

[RevYouUp]

that Zac Chan dude looks like Patrick Chan lmaooo. I bet you that Camille chick is a hardcore bandwagoner..she joined in on the riot to fit in, like how she started watching hockey to fit in.

[Munny]

Geez, I sure hope people don't completely forget the poor public image the VPD had before this riot.

:whistle:

[RRxtar]

250,000 people were downtown for the olympics on that saturday and sunday. not only was there no riot, but there werent even any incidents or fights or anything. i dont think there woulda even if we lost the gold. the reason? the idiots got shunned in the first week of the olympics, and everyone downtown in the 2nd week, and last weekend, was there to have a good time. people went downtown for game 7 planning on rioting regardless of the outcome of the game. shit, even my friends in kelowna here were joking around game 5 saying "we should head to vancouver for the riots, win or lose, for game 7". EVERYONE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

[gars]

250,000 people were downtown for the olympics on that saturday and sunday. not only was there no riot, but there werent even any incidents or fights or anything. i dont think there woulda even if we lost the gold. the reason? the idiots got shunned in the first week of the olympics, and everyone downtown in the 2nd week, and last weekend, was there to have a good time. people went downtown for game 7 planning on rioting regardless of the outcome of the game. shit, even my friends in kelowna here were joking around game 5 saying "we should head to vancouver for the riots, win or lose, for game 7". EVERYONE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

Like Jim Chu said, the demographics was very different as well. the people out on the street had a much larger range in backgrounds and ages, while for Game 7, it was mostly a younger crowd. I knew tons of families who didn't want to deal with the crowds so they stayed home to watch.

[GodZilla]

This one wins for youngest at the riot. Where are there parents. :facepalm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l18hGKf6rmA&feature=autoplay&list=ULxq5ctWEBnnc&index=2&playnext=2

[vash13]

^^ He obviously never got the belt from his parents yet.

[RevYouUp]

parents are probably surrey jack/jacktress

[Harvey Specter]

^^ He obviously never got the belt from his parents yet.

Belt is weak, Indiana Jones' whip would work better.

[spyker]

^^ He obviously never got the belt from his parents yet.

It's not too late,he's still at the young tender age where he can still recieve a good ass whooping with a belt.

Shit,if his parents won't do it,I will gladly whip his ass for them.

[pure.life]

This one wins for youngest at the riot. Where are there parents. :facepalm:

cooking curry back in surrey and blaming Canadians for being racists while their son trash the city with a bunch of other kids

[Smapti]

Hi everyone. I've been reading this forum since the beginning of the riots as its been a great source of info. I thought I'd share a video of the supporters of the Whitecaps who displayed their love for Vancouver this last Saturday. Great job everyone.

http://youtu.be/BmOb51ibG8A