[SkinnyPupp]

1) Shit typo, thanks for pointing that out. It's a 560. Obviously a 680 is going to be doing more than 40 fps, I don't know why I didn't pick that up.

2) Guess I should fix that too eh

Edit: Fixed

[GoneGuru]

Hey everyone, quick question here. I just recently upgraded my computer, and everything is working great, but it seems I have to upgrade my windows in order for it to register more ram / play latest games. I currently have windows xp 32x, and am wondering what version of windows should I buy for optimal gaming. Thanks!

[SkinnyPupp]

Windows 7 Premium x64

[Ruff Ryd@s]

dont want to start a new thread, but does anyone know approximately when the asus zenbook ux21A / ux31A is being released in canada?

kind of need a laptop now..but the new specs are just too good

[SpuGen]

I'm running a X58 Board with a i7 920.

Friend of mine wants to buy my computer, and I kinda want a new setup.

Should I go for the 3770k?
Or wait, and go for the next "tick" on the X79?

I also have 2 120gb OCZ Vertex 3 Max iops I want to use...
My board isn't gonna cut it to use them to it's full potential, so I need an upgrade.
Sata6, PCI3.0, USB3.0 preferred.

Any suggestions?

[twitchyzero]

skinnypupp...do you know any reason why reviews never address microstuttering in multi-GPU set-ups? Is it just a lack of standardization for its testing methodology because it only seems to be reported from users end only...

[SkinnyPupp]

skinnypupp...do you know any reason why reviews never address microstuttering in multi-GPU set-ups? Is it just a lack of standardization for its testing methodology because it only seems to be reported from users end only...
I think before Scott at Tech Report figured out a way to really illustrate it, nobody really knew how to put it down. But now that it's out there, I'm not sure why nobody has adopted it. Maybe because it's much easier just to run the canned benchmark and write down the numbers? Testing this way requires a bit more work. It took me several hours to test these two video cards, and Scott is up for days on end whenever he has to review a new card and re-test several competing models.

So I guess just laziness? IMO if you are aware of this article (http://techreport.com/articles.x/21516), there is no excuse not to be testing this way. If anything, it's irresponsible, especially with SLI testing. Just look at the graphs I put up for Witcher 2. EXACT same test, but if you look at the numbers differently, one does a much better job of telling you how a game actually feels when played.

It also explains why I can barely play console games anymore. If a game doesn't run smoothly, IMO it just can't be fun.

[tegz]

edit woops

[J.C]

Can anyone pick out parts for a new computer? :alonehappy::alonehappy:
I don't know that much about computers, but I have around $600-$700 after taxes to spend on building a new one.
Preferably parts from memory express so I can use their price match thing on every part :lawl:
Would prefer one with a decent/above average sound card
Mainly for gaming, music, browsing in that order.
I already have a monitor, a mouse, speakers, and a keyboard.

Thanks

[SkinnyPupp]

OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS 240GB Review (http://www.hardcoreware.net/ocz-vertex-3-max-iops-240gb-review/)

[roastpuff]

OCZ Vertex 3 Max IOPS 240GB Review (http://www.hardcoreware.net/ocz-vertex-3-max-iops-240gb-review/)

I am interested if you can compare the Max IOPS with the Mushkin Chronos Deluxe, which uses the same Toshiba toggle flash and SF controller.

I got mine for $199... which is way cheaper.

[SkinnyPupp]

Should be interesting, I'll see what I can do. I haven't reviewed a Mushkin product in probably 10 years lol

[asian_XL]

I think I will get the sandisk in my next build, but wonder what so good about toggle nand or asynchronous nand? I heard a lot of it, but don't know the real world difference.

[SkinnyPupp]

Nothing better or worse, just a different method. It is better than asynchronous since it can read and right in one tick. But so can synchronous. It generally uses less power than synchronous, but is built on 32nm right now so it evens out yet again lol.

[asian_XL]

^ FYI, crucial m4 and many big brand SSD price has dropped to $999 in HK golden mall.
Agility 3 at $849 and Adata S510 at $799

[twitchyzero]

I think before Scott at Tech Report figured out a way to really illustrate it, nobody really knew how to put it down.

read to microstutter page...could only understand half of it:okay:
appreciate the explanation though

[SkinnyPupp]

^ FYI, crucial m4 and many big brand SSD price has dropped to $999 in HK golden mall.
Agility 3 at $849 and Adata S510 at $799

At those prices I don't think it's worth getting an async drive. Crucial m4 is a beast with the latest firmware. My top recommendation and it's an awesome price

[!MiKrofT]

At those prices I don't think it's worth getting an async drive. Crucial m4 is a beast with the latest firmware. My top recommendation and it's an awesome price
Any noticable difference from say a Agility 3? Or can you only see the difference in benchmarks?

[SkinnyPupp]

Any noticable difference from say a Agility 3? Or can you only see the difference in benchmarks?
That's the question, isn't it? ;)

[twitchyzero]

quick question about the asus p8z77-v mobo trims (lx/lk/le/le plus/regular/pro/deluxe)...do they all have the same overclocking abilities? all the reviews seem to only be based on pro or the delxue...I just read the voltage regulators differ between trims from 4+1+1 all the way to 16+4 so I am assuming no?

Im looking at the asus V boards because it leaves an upgrade path for thunderbolt in the future...the only integrated ones so far are the Intel DZ77RE-75K and MSI Z77A-GD80 which im assuming is way over my $200 budget

[SkinnyPupp]

quick question about the asus p8z77-v mobo trims (lx/lk/le/le plus/regular/pro/deluxe)...do they all have the same overclocking abilities? all the reviews seem to only be based on pro or the delxue...I just read the voltage regulators differ between trims from 4+1+1 all the way to 16+4 so I am assuming no?

Im looking at the asus V boards because it leaves an upgrade path for thunderbolt in the future...the only integrated ones so far are the Intel DZ77RE-75K and MSI Z77A-GD80 which im assuming is way over my $200 budget
If the voltage regulators are different, then they are pretty much completely different boards, especially in terms of overclocking.

[twitchyzero]

would 12+4 VRM on the V Pro edge out the 8+4+2 VRM on the Sabertooth in terms of overclocking?

ASUS P8Z77-V PRO Motherboard | Hardware Secrets (http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/ASUS-P8Z77-V-PRO-Motherboard/1529/1)

the sabertooth looks bad ass but I dont want to run into fitment problems when I opt for liquid cooling with that TUF armour getting in the way.

kinda wished the V Pro had eSATA though...and can't believe neither $200 board has bluetooth even though you can buy adapters for under $5 :okay:

also overkill for the V pro to have all 4 display outputs for integrated graphics :rukidding:

[SkinnyPupp]

It depends on the actual hardware they are using. When I review a motherboard, I compare the specs of every component of the VRM, and give a total power delivery overview of the board. Some boards are good for basic overclocking, some are made for record breaking with LN2.

I rarely review Asus boards for whatever reason, is there another site that does thorough reviews? Check those.

The "12+4" and "8+4+2" means little on its own. But generally, the higher the number, the more "spread out" the load is, which means lower temperatures and better durability. Often more capacity too

[Razor Ramon HG]

Thinking of making a budget PC.

Is the A8-3870K a good purchase?

[SkinnyPupp]

AMD vs Nvidia 2012: The Best Video Card for Under $200 (http://www.hardcoreware.net/amd-vs-nvidia-best-video-card-for-200-dollars/)

[finaldestinyx]

quick question about the asus p8z77-v mobo trims (lx/lk/le/le plus/regular/pro/deluxe)...do they all have the same overclocking abilities? all the reviews seem to only be based on pro or the delxue...I just read the voltage regulators differ between trims from 4+1+1 all the way to 16+4 so I am assuming no?

Im looking at the asus V boards because it leaves an upgrade path for thunderbolt in the future...the only integrated ones so far are the Intel DZ77RE-75K and MSI Z77A-GD80 which im assuming is way over my $200 budget

I'd just save money and get a non thunderbolt board. Reason being, the mobos that support Thunderbolt aren't hot swappable like they are on a mac. Everytime you connect a thunderbolt device, you're going to have to reboot your computer which makes thunderbolt rather useless.

[!MiKrofT]

For any that care. ME has Crucial M4 128GB for $99. Only 5 left in store and no rebates to mail in.

Crucial M4 2.5in SATA III Solid State Drive, 128GB at Memory Express (http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX35603)

[twitchyzero]

I'd just save money and get a non thunderbolt board. Reason being, the mobos that support Thunderbolt aren't hot swappable like they are on a mac. Everytime you connect a thunderbolt device, you're going to have to reboot your computer which makes thunderbolt rather useless.
according to an anandtech article last week it's going to be addressed...but so little is known about TB on the asus side...ie will it be cactus ridge controller..is it even on the mobo or on the expansion card, availability and price etc..
AnandTech - A First Look at Thunderbolt on Windows with MSI's Z77A-GD80 (http://www.anandtech.com/show/5829/a-first-look-at-thunderbolt-on-windows-with-msis-z77agd80)
For any that care. ME has Crucial M4 128GB for $99. Only 5 left in store and no rebates to mail in.

shipping kind of kills it....annoying how they disable in-store pick-ups or else i'll get the noctua

[Razor Ramon HG]

Gonna buy a used 5770 for $70. Good deal?

Seems to be a good card, and it has XFX warranty.

[Recon604]

got asus essence stx sound card. my sp2500 + pc360 sound eargasmic! :fuckyea:

[!MiKrofT]

Gonna buy a used 5770 for $70. Good deal?

Seems to be a good card, and it has XFX warranty.

Why not the 6770 brand new for the around the same price

EDIT* Corrected link:

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63847&vpn=GV-R677D5-1GD&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1114

[SkinnyPupp]

Why not the 6770 brand new for the around the same price or cheaper?

NCIX.com - Canada's Premier Computer Store - Online PC Discount Store, Buy Computer Accessories (http://ncix.com/search/?categoryid=0&q=radeon+6670)
1) you linked to 6670, 6770 is not cheaper than $70, more like $100 + taxes

2) 6770 == 5770. 100% identical cards, they just changed the model name

[!MiKrofT]

1) you linked to 6670, 6770 is not cheaper than $70, more like $100 + taxes

2) 6770 == 5770. 100% identical cards, they just changed the model name
Crap.. Here's the right link:

Gigabyte Radeon HD6770 775MHZ 1GB 4.0GHZ GDDR5 DVI HDMI Display Port PCI-E DIRECTX11 Video Card - Gigabyte - GV-R677D5-1GD (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63847&vpn=GV-R677D5-1GD&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1114)

[SkinnyPupp]

So you're saying it would be better to spend $99 + tax, then wait for a rebate which in 6 months would bring the price back down to just under $100, instead of just getting it for $70?

[Razor Ramon HG]

Yes, I decided to get the 5770 since the 6770 is essentially a rebadged 5770. With XFX transferable warranty, I thought I could save some cash.

But enough with the off-topic chat.. the 5770 is a great card for a budget build, yes? Or is there something else under $100 that you would recommend.

[SkinnyPupp]

The competing GeForce card would be a 450, so compare that

[!MiKrofT]

So you're saying it would be better to spend $99 + tax, then wait for a rebate which in 6 months would bring the price back down to just under $100, instead of just getting it for $70?

For a brand new card? yes I would the final difference is $20. I've never had a problem with rebates which only take 2 months at most. But then again I didn't realize the original warranty was transferable so nevermind.

Yes, I decided to get the 5770 since the 6770 is essentially a rebadged 5770. With XFX transferable warranty, I thought I could save some cash.

But enough with the off-topic chat.. the 5770 is a great card for a budget build, yes? Or is there something else under $100 that you would recommend.

For around $100 I'd also consider a 550Ti

[rk604]

Currently:
AMD 7750 Black Edition
4GB DDR2 RAM
2x 60GB Corsair R60 - Raid 0
500GB HDD
9800 GTX+


Hoping:
i5/i7 CPU from Intel Retail Edge
Z77 Motherboard
8-16GB DDR3 1600mhz RAM
Vertex 3/4 SSD 128GB

Alternative:
27" iMac Base model
128GB SSD along side the stock 1TB drive

Don't think i'll be upgrading the video card since I doubt i'll be gaming much. Reason for upgrade is because i'm using my computer for more of a server base, requiring to do a lot of transcoding and processing remotely. Really depends what the deal is going to be for the Summer Deal 2012. The alternative iMac route is the ideal route just cause the very minimal gaming that I will be doing. Performance factor I think i'll be quite happy with either or...as the Apple OS will be crazy fast with the SSD


Price aside, what do you guys think?

[Purely]

I would go for PC over mac. You said you would be doing a lot of transcoding/processing/server stuff, so won't PC suit your needs better?

[rk604]

Either or would work really...my processor is getting old and it can still do the job, i just have some extra cash i can spend at the moment, and wouldn't mind investing in a good computer. I guess in terms of performance, the PC would def suit me, but the screen of the iMac is just beautiful...2560x1440

[asian_XL]

^ buy the cinema display and hook it up with your new PC

I don't find OSX with SSD would be much faster than Win7 with SSD, I am running dual boot, feel no special at all

[Razor Ramon HG]

Fucking shit.

Bought all my parts today. Started putting it together when I realized my Zalman Z9 case didn't come with the motherboard mounting screws (fuck you Zalman QC). So I had to run to Crystal Mall and hunt down a store for them since I didn't want to go back to Memory Express. Then next thing I know, my system doesn't POST because the motherboard is dead (despite the moving fans and USB ports working). Not sure if I shocked it or wrecked it when I tried inserting the wrong screws to the standoffs. Now I gotta RMA that shit and shell out more cash for a temp motherboard. God damn.

[!MiKrofT]

Fucking shit.

Bought all my parts today. Started putting it together when I realized my Zalman Z9 case didn't come with the motherboard mounting screws (fuck you Zalman QC). So I had to run to Crystal Mall and hunt down a store for them since I didn't want to go back to Memory Express. Then next thing I know, my system doesn't POST because the motherboard is dead (despite the moving fans and USB ports working). Not sure if I shocked it or wrecked it when I tried inserting the wrong screws to the standoffs. Now I gotta RMA that shit and shell out more cash for a temp motherboard. God damn.
You probably tried this but did you check all the connections and re-seat the cpu and ram?

[SkinnyPupp]

Fucking shit.

Bought all my parts today. Started putting it together when I realized my Zalman Z9 case didn't come with the motherboard mounting screws (fuck you Zalman QC). So I had to run to Crystal Mall and hunt down a store for them since I didn't want to go back to Memory Express. Then next thing I know, my system doesn't POST because the motherboard is dead (despite the moving fans and USB ports working). Not sure if I shocked it or wrecked it when I tried inserting the wrong screws to the standoffs. Now I gotta RMA that shit and shell out more cash for a temp motherboard. God damn.
It could be SO many things. For instance with my Ivy Bridge CPU, it wouldn't work in any motherboard I tried it with.. I thought I had a dead CPU, which would have been a nightmare since I would miss deadline. Turns out, there was a piece of heatsink paste (the thick kind that comes pre-mounted on heatsinks) stuck to the bottom of the CPU. It was blocking a few pins, so it wouldn't boot.

It could be anything, especially when you have spinning fans, etc

[EndLeSS8]

I'm looking to buy an Asus G55 laptop with minor customization (RAM, Gamut screen, etc) within the next 2 months for D3.

Where is a good place to buy it customized, locally in Vancouver?
The options that I want are on XoticPC, but I'd rather buy it in person.

For NCIX, the G55 is a custom order, so I might go there
This is the first computer I've bought since 2004, so I'm not good with computer stores anymore.
Where can I get a good price? I don't mind paying in cash

Thanks in advance.

[twitchyzero]

. Really depends what the deal is going to be for the Summer Deal 2012. The alternative iMac route is the ideal route just cause the very minimal gaming that I will be doing. Performance factor I think i'll be quite happy with either or...as the Apple OS will be crazy fast with the SSD


Price aside, what do you guys think?

the deal details came out today..and it sucks..well the processor is a good deal but only if you can afford lga 2011 mobos...

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1691993

[SkinnyPupp]

Thermaltake Frio OCK CPU Cooler Review (http://www.hardcoreware.net/thermaltake-frio-ock-cpu-cooler-review/)

http://www.hardcoreware.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/thermaltake-frio-ock-review.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

If someone can get me the Retail Edge 3930K CPU, let me know! Willing to trade an SSD and/or some DDR3 for it (depends on price)

[!MiKrofT]

I'm looking to buy an Asus G55 laptop with minor customization (RAM, Gamut screen, etc) within the next 2 months for D3.

Where is a good place to buy it customized, locally in Vancouver?
The options that I want are on XoticPC, but I'd rather buy it in person.

For NCIX, the G55 is a custom order, so I might go there
This is the first computer I've bought since 2004, so I'm not good with computer stores anymore.
Where can I get a good price? I don't mind paying in cash

Thanks in advance.
I don't think anyone locally can do this for you as nobody will stock all the ASUS components needed to customize what you want. They simply order/stock the most common standard configs. They can probably order a customized version for you from a supplier but that's about it.

[Razor Ramon HG]

You probably tried this but did you check all the connections and re-seat the cpu and ram?

It could be SO many things. For instance with my Ivy Bridge CPU, it wouldn't work in any motherboard I tried it with.. I thought I had a dead CPU, which would have been a nightmare since I would miss deadline. Turns out, there was a piece of heatsink paste (the thick kind that comes pre-mounted on heatsinks) stuck to the bottom of the CPU. It was blocking a few pins, so it wouldn't boot.

It could be anything, especially when you have spinning fans, etc

Rechecked all the connections, and reseated all the components numerous times. Even tested all the components in my brother's computer (which worked). Replaced the mobo the other day and all is good.

RMA approved, so just have to send it in for now.

[freakshow]

I'm looking to buy an Asus G55 laptop with minor customization (RAM, Gamut screen, etc) within the next 2 months for D3.

Where is a good place to buy it customized, locally in Vancouver?
The options that I want are on XoticPC, but I'd rather buy it in person.

For NCIX, the G55 is a custom order, so I might go there
This is the first computer I've bought since 2004, so I'm not good with computer stores anymore.
Where can I get a good price? I don't mind paying in cash

Thanks in advance.
Why do you want to buy it locally? There are Canadian distributors if thats what you're worried about. Other than that, your best bet is to customize it yourself (RAM, HDD.. not sure about the screen)..

[EndLeSS8]

I want to buy locally so that I can see it in person before getting it.

I was tempted to get the Sager NP9150 with the 7970 video card, but apparently there is keyboard ghosting issues with the laptop - you can't press W, E, and Space at the same time.
The Sager is more powerful and less costly.

I'm undecided now between the Sager and G55, but leaning towards the G55

[terkan]

what's a good mobo for the 3930k?? i'm gonna pick one of those baby up with my friends retailedge deal for the summer :D $200 for this CPU can't go wrong except trying to find a decent mobo for it :(

[SkinnyPupp]

what's a good mobo for the 3930k?? i'm gonna pick one of those baby up with my friends retailedge deal for the summer :D $200 for this CPU can't go wrong except trying to find a decent mobo for it :(
You'll have to pay at least $300 for a mobo.

It's probably not worth getting the 3930K even for $200, unless you plan on running 4 GPUs.

[terkan]

You'll have to pay at least $300 for a mobo.

It's probably not worth getting the 3930K even for $200, unless you plan on running 4 GPUs.

hmm.. maybe i guess i might resell the cpu then

[SkinnyPupp]

PM me I'll trade you something for it

[Razor Ramon HG]

Do you guys know if there's an application out there that will auto-adjust the GPU fan on the fly as the temperatures go up?

When I set it to automatic, it stays at a low RPM. But when I set it to a higher manual speed, it's constant (and fucking loud).

Another guy described the same problem as.. "Like I said, the fan speed can be set manually and works fine. And now apparently I can see that it does ramp up when set to automatic--except it doesn't seem to go up high enough; temperatures reach 90 C and the system shuts down without the fan going past 40%. That's the problem."

Should I just get a new cooler for my video card? What about these? http://ncix.com/products/?sku=15682&vpn=ZM-RHS1&manufacture=ZALMAN%20TECH

By the way, I'm doing some minor overclocking, that's why.

[SkinnyPupp]

Try RivaTuner (http://www.guru3d.com/category/rivatuner/) ?

[Razor Ramon HG]

I've been using AMD Vision Engine Control Center (which I guess is the new CCC) as well as MSI Afterburner. Is RivaTuner any better since it's outdated?

[SkinnyPupp]

Not sure, I use Afterburner and it fucking rules. Since it says "Built by RivaTuner" I thought that would be the next best thing. I haven't used RivaTuner since like 2003 I think lol

[belaud]

I got a list of parts coming in

CM Cosmos II painted sainted pearl white
16GB (4x4GB) DDR3-2400 Gskill Trident
Sabertooth Z77
Intel 3770k
Asus Direct CuII GTX680 x2
DirectCU Waterblocks
360MM rad
120mm rad
240mm rad
dual water loop

:fullofwin:

keep you guys posted when everythings good to go.

[wesamess]

I got a list of parts coming in

CM Cosmos II painted sainted pearl white
16GB (4x4GB) DDR3-2400 Gskill Trident
Sabertooth Z77
Intel 3770k
Asus Direct CuII GTX680 x2
DirectCU Waterblocks
360MM rad
120mm rad
240mm rad
dual water loop

:fullofwin:

keep you guys posted when everythings good to go.
pics or it didn't happen

[CP.AR]

Anyone using LGA2011 Boards?

Expensive boards... but which one is the best bang for my buck?
won't be doing any OC, running single video card.

[belaud]

Oh sorry, just saw the ISD, looks like im going for the gigabyte X79-UD3 to accomodate le 3930K

@amuro: the best board is the X79-UD3, overclocks like a champ, and super efficient

[EndLeSS8]

Decided that I'm going to get the Sager NP9150 with the Radeon 7970 card.
XoticPC has an option for another keyboard and the 7970 is almost twice as fast as the Asus G55 660M video card.

[twitchyzero]

Asus Direct CuII GTX680 x2
DirectCU Waterblocks

:fullofwin:

keep you guys posted when everythings good to go.

Is there a point in putting blocks on those cards? They are voltage-locked

Anyone using LGA2011 Boards?

Expensive boards... but which one is the best bang for my buck?
won't be doing any OC, running single video card.

getting LGA 2011 with a single card and no OC? what a waste!
damn these retail edge people :suspicious::concentrate:

[CP.AR]

Is there a point in putting blocks on those cards? They are voltage-locked



getting LGA 2011 with a single card and no OC? what a waste!
damn these retail edge people :suspicious::concentrate:


:fullofwin:
I don't have retail edge... but someone is hooking a brotha up so I can build a new computer for my dad that should be future proof for a good 2-3 years (all he does on it is Flight sim... currently with a Athlon 64 3000+ and a X850GTO

[SkinnyPupp]

An LGA2011 is probably less future proof than a LGA2055 system

If you are building an X79 system, the term "bang for buck" needs to be nowhere near your brain.

[lilaznviper]

:banghead::banghead::banghead:
http://i.imgur.com/qP1v1.png
:rukidding:

[rk604]

Hmm... i was thinkin of

3930K ($199)
Asus P9X79 Motherboard ($279)
Kingston DDR3-2133 Quad Channel XMP($169)

the rest of the system would be my existing setup

Corsair 60GBx2 Raid 0
500HDD WD Drive
9800 GTX+
Don't remember my PSU


Thought about it again, and i think i rather just go imac instead of doing this...i'd appreciate the display more than the actual performance as i don't use it for much gaming anymore. Oh...i'm also getting a discount on the mac from a friend who works @ apple, so thats another incentive

[SkinnyPupp]

IMO any PC that is over $500 needs to have an SSD cache installed

Crucial Adrenaline Solid State Cache Review (http://www.hardcoreware.net/crucial-adrenaline-review/)

[DOHCVTEC]

Hey guys, I am building a RAID array + work station to process/store data from my PhD experiments. I would appreciate any advice regarding my proposed setup, particularly concerning heat/reliability/performance.

Please note that I am not a computer expert, so I want to make sure I am not getting ripped off. My main use for this system will be to store about 12TB (6 + 2TB drives on RAID6) of critical data from my experiments.

Here is a quote that I got this morning. Thanks in advance.


Qty Item Description
1 Fractal Design Define XL Computer Case (Black)
1 180GB Intel® SSD 520 SERIES 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s 25nm
1 LSI 9260-8i Low Profile 8-Port internal 6Gb/s SATA+SAS RAID x8 PCIe 2.0 512MB
1 Samsung Internal 22xDVD-RW SATA Black
4 4GB 1333MHz DDR3 Non-ECC CL9 DIMM
1 PNY GeForce GT 520 1GB 64-bit DDR3 VGA DVI-I Mini HDMI
1 Intel Core i7 3770 - 3.4 GHz - 4 cores - 8 threads - 8 MB cache
1 Intel DZ77BH-55K Motherboard optimized for the Intel® -K processors
8 Seagate Constellation 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM 64MB SATA 6Gb/s
1 Zalman ATX 600W Power Supply Ultra Quiet 80 Plus ZM600-GT
1 Windows 7 Professional 64-bit OEM DVD
1 Large fan for Chassis

[eFx[A2C]]

Anyone need the 3930K from retail edge ?

[willystyle]

IMO any PC that is over $500 needs to have an SSD cache installed

Crucial Adrenaline Solid State Cache Review (http://www.hardcoreware.net/crucial-adrenaline-review/)
How is the performance of using a SSC vs SSD (OS/Apps installed)?

Sorry, didn't feel like reading through that article.

[belaud]

Is there a point in putting blocks on those cards? They are voltage-locked


new ones are not bios locked, so i'm ok.

[dygital]

How is the performance of using a SSC vs SSD (OS/Apps installed)?

Sorry, didn't feel like reading through that article.

I wouldn't bother with a cache. Although it'll make your overall drives run faster, it really can't compete with an SSD+HDD where you use the SSD as a boot drive. I just think that the SSD is a lot more useful standalone. I'd also avoid things like barracuda xt, since you can buy an SSD+HDD with that price, and if you really want to cache, you still can, and at a price that is a lot cheaper

[SkinnyPupp]

Using SSD as a boot drive, what else will you put on there? Depends on how big an SSD you can afford. But if it's just a $100 128GB drive, you won't fit much on there. Windows, maybe Office and a few other apps. Then what's your benefit? You can boot Windows really fast, and open those apps fast. Everything that is saved on the HDD will load really slow.

With a cache, everything is cached. All the programs you use the most. So if you open the same 4-5 apps every day (browser, twitter, messenger, photoshop, excel, whatever games you are playing at any given time from your 300GB worth of installs) they will load like they are on an SSD.

Or you could do what I do, have a 256GB SSD as your main Windows and gaming HDD, and have a normal HDD + cache it with another SSD :fuckyea:

[bananana]

-

[SkinnyPupp]

I'll make it worth your while if you give me precedent over him (after all I asked first ;))

[lilaznviper]

Bought the 3930k from retail edge
Cost total 215US shipped
Now which mobo to get

[J.C]

so i got a p8z68-v pro gen 3 motherboard and a gtx570 twin frozr iii power/oc edition, but my computer doesn't detect the gpu?
i tried the drivers, but they said there is no hardware detected and i'm pretty sure it is put on properly, i took it off and put it back on several times
what else can i try?

[twitchyzero]

^ did you plug the pcie power connectors in?

[J.C]

yup

[twitchyzero]

try rebooting the comp or the 2nd pcie slot on your mobo...it should show up under Device Manager in windows

[!MiKrofT]

so i got a p8z68-v pro gen 3 motherboard and a gtx570 twin frozr iii power/oc edition, but my computer doesn't detect the gpu?
i tried the drivers, but they said there is no hardware detected and i'm pretty sure it is put on properly, i took it off and put it back on several times
what else can i try?
So it sounds like you're getting video but not able to install drivers. Did you check for the latest ones from nvidia?

[J.C]

yup i tried the ones at nvidia and msi both say they can't detect the hardware.
i actually had it for a second under device manager, but it had an error saying there wasn't enough resources to run it.
after i restarted my computer, it was gone and now it only shows my integrated card

[SkinnyPupp]

Did you install the chipset drivers?

[J.C]

yes i did, and if it helps, it worked for a day before.
except my screen went black for a minute then came back and said my driver stopped working, then an hour later i got BSOD'd and it never detected it again after that
i can hear the sound on windows when i unplug my monitor from my motherboard, but when i plug it into either of the gpu slots, no sound is made when it goes in or when it comes out and both the fans on the gpu are running so i know that it is connected

[dryjesus]

Will also pay someone 50 bucks to help me get the 3930k off IRE. :) PM me!

[J.C]

so turn out my gpu was actually broken and ncix gave my money back

[!MiKrofT]

so turn out my gpu was actually broken and ncix gave my money back
Crappy. So did you buy a new video card instead?

[J.C]

not yet =/
i got a really good deal on that card too, really wanted a replacement, but they said cash only.
probably going to look around for a used one thats just as good or better

sucks how i wasted so much time playing around the the stuff to find out it was broken =/

[dygital]

Using SSD as a boot drive, what else will you put on there? Depends on how big an SSD you can afford. But if it's just a $100 128GB drive, you won't fit much on there. Windows, maybe Office and a few other apps. Then what's your benefit? You can boot Windows really fast, and open those apps fast. Everything that is saved on the HDD will load really slow.

With a cache, everything is cached. All the programs you use the most. So if you open the same 4-5 apps every day (browser, twitter, messenger, photoshop, excel, whatever games you are playing at any given time from your 300GB worth of installs) they will load like they are on an SSD.

Or you could do what I do, have a 256GB SSD as your main Windows and gaming HDD, and have a normal HDD + cache it with another SSD :fuckyea:

Those are all valid points but here's the thing. I have iTunes on my ssd and all my songs on my HDD. iTunes loads instantly, and then if i double click, BAM the song plays. The HDD isn't SSD fast, but it IS fast enough for basic things that don't require a boat ton of small files. Things like games and etc are fine on an HDD, since (hopefully) you aren't loading up crysis 2 every day, whereas you turn your computer on everyday, so the added speed helps a lot.

and also why not just go and get a 1tb revodrive:badpokerface:

[Mining]

Those are all valid points but here's the thing. I have iTunes on my ssd and all my songs on my HDD. iTunes loads instantly, and then if i double click, BAM the song plays. The HDD isn't SSD fast, but it IS fast enough for basic things that don't require a boat ton of small files. Things like games and etc are fine on an HDD, since (hopefully) you aren't loading up crysis 2 every day, whereas you turn your computer on everyday, so the added speed helps a lot.

and also why not just go and get a 1tb revodrive:badpokerface:

You're testing speeds by playing songs?
Do you know what cache is for?

[dygital]

You're testing speeds by playing songs?
Do you know what cache is for?

I know, but I'm just providing a real world example of what might be on your hard drive. Everyday things like songs, videos,etc are perfectly fine running off a HDD. Games won't see much difference with such a small cache anyways, so it's mainly the boot time you're after with a cache which is better on an ssd. People have preferences, just that mine is with an ssd boot:)

and correct me if I'm wrong, but if you don't care about boot times, you could always just use a ramdisk as a cache instead

[SkinnyPupp]

I know, but I'm just providing a real world example of what might be on your hard drive. Everyday things like songs, videos,etc are perfectly fine running off a HDD. Games won't see much difference with such a small cache anyways, so it's mainly the boot time you're after with a cache which is better on an ssd. People have preferences, just that mine is with an ssd boot:)

and correct me if I'm wrong, but if you don't care about boot times, you could always just use a ramdisk as a cache instead

Your N=1 anecdotal subjective observations are meaningless

[SkinnyPupp]

http://img.hardcoreware.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/noctua-nh-l12-review1.jpg

Noctua NH-L12 Low Profile CPU Cooler Review (http://www.hardcoreware.net/noctua-nh-l12-review/)

[lilaznviper]

which ones should i get

Mushkin Enhanced silverline 16gb 2x8gb 9-9-9-24
or
corsair vengeance 16gb 4x4gb 9-9-9-24

any preformance advantages of getting the 2x8gb vs 4x4gb.

[SkinnyPupp]

Not necessarily, but there may be a heat advantage, and overclocking potential (since you have 2 chances to have a not-so-fast stick instead of 4)

[Hehe]

Are you running on quad channel capable mobo? (X79)

The difference is marginal better on quad setup and very app-dependent. But if performance is what you are after, go for quad.

[SkinnyPupp]

I am assuming he's on a dual setup otherwise he wouldn't be asking if 2 or 4 sticks makes a difference

[lilaznviper]

Sorry should of said that I'm running on a x79 board.

[EndLeSS8]

For laptops, Nvidia 680M video card came out this week.

Crazy expensive, but 4 gigs of laptop video memory.

:fuckyea:

[Hehe]

Sorry should of said that I'm running on a x79 board.

I'd say go for quad.

Even though the performance difference is pretty small, but the price difference between 2x8gb vs. 4x4gb is pretty small as well.

The only reason to go for 2x8gb is if you are planning to max-out your memory down the road (say, 4x8gb or 8x8gb). Otherwise, I don't see why not go quad when your system is capable of it.

[SkinnyPupp]

Sorry should of said that I'm running on a x79 board.
Well of COURSE go for quad then.

[LuHua]

Cooler Master TPC 812 on sale this week, anyone try it out yet? Personally looking at waiting for the new Eisberg series they're working on.

[Hondaracer]

whats the max for ram on a 32bit system on windows 7? 4GB?

its DDR2

[SkinnyPupp]

32bit max is 3GB.

[Hondaracer]

With that is it also dual channel or how would I know? I'm basically peicing together an old computer and have 3 1gb sticks but I'm asuming I'll still need to be running dual channel or does it depend on the MB? The comp is about 3 years old

[SkinnyPupp]

Depends on the chipset. It's most like;y dual channel. If you have 3 sticks you might as well use them though, DDR2 is probably old enough to be expensive now.

[Hondaracer]

So will it still pick up on all 3? I guess I can always just stick them in and try, although 2 of the sticks are much higher speed if i remember correctly, so will all sticks run at the lower speed?

And yea, 4gb of DDR2 is like $60 now

[SkinnyPupp]

Dual channel doesn't HAVE to run in dual mode

[Hondaracer]

Ahhh

Edit* one more thing, the two sticks of the better ram I'm pulling out of another computer came out of a computer that bit the dust, I'm pretty sure it was the power supply but I didn't spend much time trouble shooting it

Is there any risk if the ram I pulled out is bad in puting it in this new rig?

[joquio]

Been reading up on those Korean 27" 2560x1440 IPS monitors the whole week.
Any of you have one?
:suspicious:

Ready to pull the trigger over the weekend, or...today!

[!MiKrofT]

Been reading up on those Korean 27" 2560x1440 IPS monitors the whole week.
Any of you have one?
:suspicious:

Ready to pull the trigger over the weekend, or...today!
I was looking into those as well. There's quite a few guys that do them. From what I've read. Haven't pulled the trigger yet. Still deciding as I already have a 26" 1080p LED.

- avoid the glass ones
- many of them have crappy stands; Crossover has the best stand and has a metal housing
- they have no scaler so you can only run the native resolution unless your video card has the ability to do it for you. ie output 1920x1080 and upscale it to 2560x1440 before sending it to the screen
- no OSD so almost everything must be adjusted via software
- pixel perfect ones mean nothing.. can still get dead pixels although at that resolution you might not even notice

[freakshow]

Been reading up on those Korean 27" 2560x1440 IPS monitors the whole week.
Any of you have one?
:suspicious:

Ready to pull the trigger over the weekend, or...today!
link?

[joquio]

I was looking into those as well. There's quite a few guys that do them. From what I've read. Haven't pulled the trigger yet. Still deciding as I already have a 26" 1080p LED.

- avoid the glass ones
- many of them have crappy stands; Crossover has the best stand and has a metal housing
- they have no scaler so you can only run the native resolution unless your video card has the ability to do it for you. ie output 1920x1080 and upscale it to 2560x1440 before sending it to the screen
- no OSD so almost everything must be adjusted via software
- pixel perfect ones mean nothing.. can still get dead pixels although at that resolution you might not even notice


Hah! Thanks !MiKrofT. I already know about all that and I am planning to get the basic Catleap model. I like that model the best because it looks like it has the thinnest and most plain bezel. As for those crappy stands, I'm looking to get a monoprice desk stand so that should take care of the stand issue. Plus, I've read that even the Crossover's stand is not worth the extra price.

I'm mainly looking if any of you are you using it and how you like them.
If I do get one I'll make sure to post back with pictures:fullofwin:

link?

Look for ebay seller "bigclothcraft" and "green-sum" they seem to be the more popular seller and with bigclothcraft having best communication.

Edit with links here
bigclothcraft (http://www.ebay.com/sch/Monitors-Projectors-Accs-/162497/i.html?item=140729187593&pt=Computer_Monitors&autorefresh=true&hash=item20c41cfd09&_ssn=bigclothcraft&_dmpt=Computer_Monitors&Screen%2520Size=27%2522&rt=nc)
green-sum (http://www.ebay.com/sch/Monitors-Projectors-Accs-/162497/i.html?_ipg=&_from=&_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ssn=green-sum&_dmpt=Computer_Monitors&Screen%2520Size=27%2522&rt=nc)

[!MiKrofT]

^Ahh I see. Yeah I doubt most here ppl know much about or have these screens. My only concern is the scaler and monitor adjustments.

[asian_XL]

quick question: any light software to test the stability of my GPU o/c setting?
the windows experience index test good enough?

[SkinnyPupp]

quick question: any light software to test the stability of my GPU o/c setting?
the windows experience index test good enough?
No lol. Does MSI Kumbustor work on non MSI cards? If so, use that.

[roastpuff]

No lol. Does MSI Kumbustor work on non MSI cards? If so, use that.

Works on my ASUS GTX560's so yes, use that. Or Uniengine Heaven Benchmark.

[J.C]

is it possible to make my fans slow and quiet when my comp is cool and kick up to max later when its hotter without a fan controller?

[SkinnyPupp]

is it possible to make my fans slow and quiet when my comp is cool and kick up to max later when its hotter without a fan controller?
A motherboard with good fan control software. Asus Crossfire (AMD) and Rampage (Intel) are the best for this.

Crosshair V Formula Review (http://www.hardcoreware.net/asus-crosshair-v-formula-review/) check out page 4

[joquio]

is it possible to make my fans slow and quiet when my comp is cool and kick up to max later when its hotter without a fan controller?

Are you fans PWM Fans?
If so you can set it up on the software side.

[J.C]

A motherboard with good fan control software. Asus Crossfire (AMD) and Rampage (Intel) are the best for this.

Crosshair V Formula Review (http://www.hardcoreware.net/asus-crosshair-v-formula-review/) check out page 4

my motherboard (p8z68-v pro/gen3) does have that, but does the mean i have to plug every fan into the mb? im running 6 fans and i have a window and it'd look messy :/

and none of my fans are pwm

[SkinnyPupp]

my motherboard (p8z68-v pro/gen3) does have that, but does the mean i have to plug every fan into the mb? im running 6 fans and i have a window and it'd look messy :/

and none of my fans are pwm
If you want your fans to be controlled by temperature, you need a fan controller. Your motherboard has that function built in, so you can use that. Or get a third party controller. Even a manual knob that you can turn up and down would suffice.

[lilaznviper]

got a tracking number for my i7 3930k
coming on tuesday hopefully:fullofwin:

[SkinnyPupp]

Damn someone please get one for me!

[lilaznviper]

got a tracking number from UPS today as well... so now i have 2 shippments of the cpu coming haha mite end up with 2 cpus

[nsmb]

anyone have a h100? mine crapped out after a week :suspicious:

[roastpuff]

anyone have a h100? mine crapped out after a week :suspicious:

6 months and going strong for mine.

[Shinj0]

Hey guys I am a noobie when it comes to building a gaming computer, so I did a bit of research and asked a couple friends and this is what we came up with. :)

- Antec 100 One Hundred Lite Mid-Tower ATX Gaming Case Black

- ASUS Radeon HD 6850 DirectCU 790MHZ 1GB 4.0GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI DisplayPort HDMI PCI-E Video Card

- Kingston KHX1600C9D3B1K2/8GX 8GB Kit 2X4GB 1600MHz DDR3 240PIN DIMM Unbuff Hmp HyperX CL9

- Corsair TX650 V2 650W ATX 12V Single Rail 53A 24PIN ATX Power Supply Active PFC 80PLUS Bronze

- Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA3 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Dual Proc Hard Drive

- NCIX Bundle Deal Intel Core i5 3570K Unlocked Quad Core CPU & Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H Motherboard

Please let me know how this build is for gaming, and if there are any parts I should switch out. My budget is about 8-1000. Just copy and pasted all the parts from NCIX lol.

[3klipze]

quick question: any light software to test the stability of my GPU o/c setting?
the windows experience index test good enough?

I use FurMark.
FurMark: VGA Stress Test, Graphics Card and GPU Stability Test, Burn-in Test, OpenGL Benchmark and GPU Temperature | oZone3D.Net (http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/)

anyone here use their SSD for caching?

[SkinnyPupp]

I use FurMark.
FurMark: VGA Stress Test, Graphics Card and GPU Stability Test, Burn-in Test, OpenGL Benchmark and GPU Temperature | oZone3D.Net (http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/)

anyone here use their SSD for caching?
I do. Works great

[3klipze]

I do. Works great

Wondering if i should switch from RAID0 to caching, but will need to get an SSD

[SkinnyPupp]

It will be noticeably faster. RAID0 is faster than a single drive, but still not as fast as an SSD cached drive.

Get a 128 GB when it goes on sale, and use it as a 64 GB cache. Or just get a 64GB Crucial M4. It won't be as fast as a 128GB but almost. That is assuming you have an Intel Z68 or Z77 chipset. If not, you'll need something like the Crucial Adrenaline (http://www.hardcoreware.net/crucial-adrenaline-review/).

[CP.AR]

HELP!!!

Just finished my system, but for whatever reason it fails to boot in Triple Channel or Quad Channel memory mode (by fail to boot... no picture, just turn on for 10 seconds, off, back on, cycle

I have 4 sticks of this stuff Mushkin Enhanced Silverline Stiletto 16GB 4X4GB PC3-10666 DDR3-1333 9-9-9-28 Quad Channel Memory Kit - Mushkin Enhanced - 993770 (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65760&vpn=993770&manufacture=Mushkin%20Enhanced)

Put into slots 1,3,5,7 (per MB instructions), no boot, just turns on for 10 seconds and shuts off.

Put into slots 1,3 (just 2 sticks - dual channel setup), boot perfect
Put into slots 1,3,5 (MB instructions for triple channel), no boot, same as above

Put into slots 1,2,3,4 (dual channel setup), boots fine.

Put into slots 1,5 (dual) boots fine

I'm thinking faulty MB? In compatible/faulty RAM?

CPU: 3930K
MB: MSI X79A-GD45 (8D) MSI X79A-GD45 (8D) X79 ATX LGA2011 DDR3 5PCI-E16 1PCI-E1 SATA3 USB3.0 SLI CrossFireX Motherboard - MSI/MicroStar - X79A-GD45 (8D) (http://ncix.com/products/?sku=68220)
Edit: Updated BIOS to latest version - still a no-go

[Hehe]

^

Have you tried with a different set of ram? I have had those rare occasions where the mobo was simply too picky on ram. After switching a set, everything ran just fine.

[CP.AR]

^ my ram is actually listed as certified to work with the board as per MSI's website...

I'll give that a shot though - the ram is in a snap packaging and should be easy enough to return. (but NCIX Return policy is balls sometimes)

do you think I should just exchange for the same set, or should I go with something else completely?

[SkinnyPupp]

I'll help you if you change your avatar

[joquio]

Been reading up on those Korean 27" 2560x1440 IPS monitors the whole week.
Any of you have one?
:suspicious:

Ready to pull the trigger over the weekend, or...today!



So I did pull the trigger over the weekend and it's on the DHL truck for delivery today!!!
Super fast shipping. Shipped on Tuesday from Korea and arriving today:ahwow:

Anyway, will report back once I have it set up tonight after work.

[CP.AR]

I'll help you if you change your avatar

:okay:

[Hehe]

^ my ram is actually listed as certified to work with the board as per MSI's website...

I'll give that a shot though - the ram is in a snap packaging and should be easy enough to return. (but NCIX Return policy is balls sometimes)

do you think I should just exchange for the same set, or should I go with something else completely?

What I usually do is to *borrow* a set of different brand with lower CAS rating or higher speed rating from my friend to test.

usually mobo has problem with ram because the ram in question can't run at default setting correctly. Performance ram OTOH tend to have more tolerance toward different settings.

I'm mainly pointing to ram because I have very rarely come across a faulty mobo. And if a mobo is to have problem, it wouldn't work in any setting.

[J.C]

planning to get a bitfenix shinobi and diy window mod, i don't like the oem one:alonehappy::alonehappy:

[belaud]

^

Have you tried with a different set of ram? I have had those rare occasions where the mobo was simply too picky on ram. After switching a set, everything ran just fine.

These days, every set of RAM works with every board, because in reality, theres really only 18 different types of RAM, just all rebranded :fuckthatshit:

[SkinnyPupp]

:okay:
First thing I would do is test each stick of ram individually. See if they all boot. Then once you have cleared all 4 sticks, test each RAM slot individually, see if one in particular is causing problems.

[CP.AR]

First thing I would do is test each stick of ram individually. See if they all boot. Then once you have cleared all 4 sticks, test each RAM slot individually, see if one in particular is causing problems.

Did that... all sticks boot.
Also ran memtest on them last night and they all checked out fine.

Called up Intel tech support this morning and they said it doesn't sound like the MB but could either be a faulty CPU, or RAM conflicting with the CPU's memory controller... (apparently I'm not the only one to call about this issue? :suspicious:)

oh well, buddy needs some DDR3 for his build anyways, so I guess I'll just try it out with some new ram...

I've actually never heard of incompatible ram before...unless mac

[lilaznviper]

went to pick this up today from ups :fullofwin:
http://i.imgur.com/pggBE.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Did that... all sticks boot.
Also ran memtest on them last night and they all checked out fine.

Called up Intel tech support this morning and they said it doesn't sound like the MB but could either be a faulty CPU, or RAM conflicting with the CPU's memory controller... (apparently I'm not the only one to call about this issue? :suspicious:)

oh well, buddy needs some DDR3 for his build anyways, so I guess I'll just try it out with some new ram...

I've actually never heard of incompatible ram before...unless mac
You tried all the slots on the mobo one at a time?

Incompatible ram is not uncommon btw

[CP.AR]

You tried all the slots on the mobo one at a time?

Incompatible ram is not uncommon btw

tried all the primary slots...

BTW: got it to kick into triple channel last night after playing with it for a while.... I'm starting to think more and more that the ram is acting up.
Quad channel is still a no-go.

Triple Channel worked ONLY when I used DIMM 1,2,3,7 or 1,3,5,6, but not 1,3,4,7, or 1,3,5... didn't try other combos since it was too much pushing and pulling for one night... and wanted to wait for new ram before I started screwing around more


for the compatibility issue... with your testing experience have you seen a problem like mine where it just refuses to start under certain channels?

[twitchyzero]

i cant decide between the top mid-range z77 boards..both the exact same price and warranty.

Asus P8Z77-V Pro
pro:
better VRM (12+4) although maybe measured differently from diff mfg
slightly higher memory OC support
thunderbolt upgrade path (although the cards are rumored to cost almost as much as the mobo itself)
better UEFI BIOS
better fan control
better reliability track record
con:
no eSATA and mSATA
no BT
only 1 Gigabit LAN
slightly worse audio chip

Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H-WB
pro:
BT
eSATA & mSATA...and extra SATA3 port
better audio chip
user comments seem to have better RMA experience in recent years
2 Gigabit LAN
con:
UEFI BIOS not as easy to use
not put in the same regard as asus reliability

[CP.AR]

Ram was incompatible...

all good now

[SkinnyPupp]

Ram was incompatible...

all good now
I've seen ram that is intended to be used with Intel systems not play well with AMD systems. Even though technically they should.

[Hehe]

i cant decide between the top mid-range z77 boards..both the exact same price and warranty.

Asus P8Z77-V Pro

Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H-WB


I'd personally go with Asus... just had an overall better experience with them.

[SkinnyPupp]

In my experience, GB for Intel builds, Asus for AMD builds. But that was when GB was using analog PWMs. They use digital now, and I am in the middle of testing one (Z77X-UD3H). I don't expect much from this $160 board though.

Gigabyte's UEFI is pretty much the same as the text based one, only more cumbersome and slower to use.

[SkinnyPupp]

Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H Motherboard Review (http://www.hardcoreware.net/gigabyte-z77x-ud3h-review/)

[freakshow]

Just got my G55.. can finally run D3 on high settings.. :sweetjesus:

[lilaznviper]

finished my build... just need a new case now. Any recommendations? I want to do a full water cooled system.
http://i.imgur.com/vmhNd.jpg

[dygital]

Silverstone Temjin/Raven if you have the $$, Corsair 800D for a step down, 650D, 600T :)

[SkinnyPupp]

Hands down NZXT Phantom 410 (http://www.hardcoreware.net/nzxt-phantom-410-gunmetal-review/). Or get the Switch 810 if you need more space

Here's a nice clean build in the Switch. You can do the same with a Phantom

http://i.imgur.com/2R6no.jpg

[lilaznviper]

I think I'm going to get the NZXT Switch 810

[Datsun]

Switch is more WC friendly than the Phantom by a mile. I've got a Phantom and you would need to cut out a lot of it to fit rads in.

600T would be an interesting build though, with a 200mm up front, 240 up top, 120 in back, and maybe something on the case floor.

found a pic

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6010/5885794539_c0c6fd8e12.jpg

[J.C]

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac258/Jiepo/51cf0770.jpg

just swapped my case for a 550d, now i need to find some good silent fans

[lilaznviper]

Switch is more WC friendly than the Phantom by a mile. I've got a Phantom and you would need to cut out a lot of it to fit rads in.

600T would be an interesting build though, with a 200mm up front, 240 up top, 120 in back, and maybe something on the case floor.

found a pic

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6010/5885794539_c0c6fd8e12.jpg

that looks awesome but i have too many hard drives to do that so it will looked crammed up like what i have right now

[Fuhrër-Z]

I'm new and useless to this stuff... Was wondering if anyone have thoughts on this:
How-to: Build a killer gaming PC for under $1,000 | The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/19/2639968/how-to-build-gaming-pc)
Using it as a guideline, but seems dated now...
Also, is this worthwhile looking into? http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_3570K_Z77XUD3H Seems like a good deal.

[J.C]

anyone have any experience with the scythe 1850rpm gentle typhoons?
i plan on putting 2 on my hyper 212, but i'm not sure how loud they'll be on max

[CP.AR]

this is what my new computer (well... built it for my dad) looks like :)

Gonna re-manage the cables when I get some proper sized zipties
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/s720x720/208829_10151040547731974_1711032438_n.jpg

[J.C]

^ how are the noctuas?

[CP.AR]

^ how are the noctuas?

really good, nice and quiet and comes with a vibration mount too (if you are just mounting to case)

One complaint though is that the wire gets in the way of the screws since they are not flat, but rather wrapped.

Real good flow, it's set up for push+pull right now thru the H70's radator. my 3930K is not OC'd (not yet) and it keeps it at a cool 38-40 degrees under load.

[G-spec]

hey guys I'm kind of a noob to this PC building world, spent all my years since high school building my cars, but since I'm done with that, wanna pick up a new hobby and this PC stuff really interests me. Always been buying laptops or those pre assembled desktops from best buy and future shop etc, wanted to try and build my own for a change.

I have one question I wanted to ask you, do sealed air conditioned cases exist at all ? basically a case that's dust free and a regulated air temperature inside the case at all times via some kind of air conditioning unit ?
I know liquid cooling the CPU and GPU does away with most of the heat, but what about from the hard drives and motherboard ? and I despise dust and uncleanliness so I guess not buying a case with a front intake fan that sucks air into the case ??

I wanna approach this PC building using the same tendencies I had when building cars, I don't think it's too different really, for example one of my first modifications to every car I've owned is to make it breathe as well as possible, headers exhaust intake, and keep it super cool, radiators, coolers, etc....
makes sense for PC's too, with fans and liquid coolers, etc...

[dygital]

They do make peltiers, but they're really expensive and hard to get in a computer and most people don't bother using them, since using liquid is much easier to assemble and acquire. It should be fairly easy to watercool a system using filtered fans on the radiators to prevent dust. My personal rig is totally air cooled and there is almost no dust on the inside.

Hard drives usually don't need to be cooled since they don't get hot enough, but a single fan near a hard drive should be okay, and even then, that's probably overkill. Motherboard's generally don't need to be cooled (unless you're overclocking on the X79, where the voltage regulators get hot). But they do make waterblocks for various motherboards, usually high end ones.

[G-spec]

^ hmm thanks for the useful info, I'll keep doing more research on the subject before I build, so just liquid cool everything I can, and get a good aluminum case a good start like you said

just realized ironically now that I'm about to get into PC building, is I always built my cars to be fast but never raced them or even drove them fast.... and now with PC's it's gonna be the same thing, since Madden, NBA 2K and Grand Theft Auto is like 99% of my gaming, that's not enough to even test a higher end PC let alone push it, haha...

so what else can I do instead of game to put a PC through it's paces just to see how it performs, what do you guys do ?

[Hondaracer]

is that corsair radiator using the noctua fans?

[dyan]

^ hmm thanks for the useful info, I'll keep doing more research on the subject before I build, so just liquid cool everything I can, and get a good aluminum case a good start like you said

just realized ironically now that I'm about to get into PC building, is I always built my cars to be fast but never raced them or even drove them fast.... and now with PC's it's gonna be the same thing, since Madden, NBA 2K and Grand Theft Auto is like 99% of my gaming, that's not enough to even test a higher end PC let alone push it, haha...

so what else can I do instead of game to put a PC through it's paces just to see how it performs, what do you guys do ?



You can always run benchmarking programs to see how your PC performs. To put it into car perspective, it's like a dyno.

To name a few would be : Passmark, Futuremark

[Datsun]

this is what my new computer (well... built it for my dad) looks like :)

Gonna re-manage the cables when I get some proper sized zipties


How do you like the Z11 so far?

[J.C]

i turned my gpu fans down to 40% and now my comp is nearly silent, but every now and then i hear a high pitched whine, i think its coming from my psu :suspicious:

and my gpu makes weird clicking noises at 60%+ fan speeds, but at 100% its fine

[lilaznviper]

stress tested the cpu with H60 cooler and fan at max speed
http://i.imgur.com/L7309.png

now I just have to wait to get switch 810 case + all the water cooling parts to see how much cooler it will get

[bobola]

i turned my gpu fans down to 40% and now my comp is nearly silent, but every now and then i hear a high pitched whine, i think its coming from my psu :suspicious:

and my gpu makes weird clicking noises at 60%+ fan speeds, but at 100% its fine

I get this too..

But then I just slap the case a few times and it stops

[TOPEC]

I get this too..

But then I just slap the case a few times and it stops

is it a new build? if not, then it could be dust build up on the fans causing it to be unbalanced while spinning

[dygital]

for anyone building a system soon, I'd wait and acquire these
Noctua's noise-canceling PC fan gets tested, drops twenty decibels -- Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/11/noctuas-noise-canceling-pc-fan-gets-tested-drops-twenty-decib/)
looks pretty cool, and should probably be even quieter than the nh d14s

[LuHua]

for anyone building a system soon, I'd wait and acquire these
Noctua's noise-canceling PC fan gets tested, drops twenty decibels -- Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/11/noctuas-noise-canceling-pc-fan-gets-tested-drops-twenty-decib/)
looks pretty cool, and should probably be even quieter than the nh d14s

Those are over a year away, no point in waiting that long. They look promising at 2500rpm with what looks like a similar design to the nf-f12s, but in the end they're still a 120mm fan from the looks of it. They should do alright on rads, maybe on an air cooler, but for air I doubt that whatever you put it on can beat the nh-d14 just because of the size of the bloody thing.

[lilaznviper]

had sometime to put my build into a new case. There is so much room! thanks to Skinny for the recommendation.

http://i.imgur.com/DGjNn.jpg
NZXT Switch 810 next to the Antec P182
http://i.imgur.com/cRw4J.jpg
Top view... thinking of putting a triple rad up there in the near future
http://i.imgur.com/ZCnKh.jpg
side view
http://i.imgur.com/Ge9n9.jpg
back side view... love the fan controller on the back
Don't like how there is not enough room on the back. haven't attempted to put the side panels back on yet

[SkinnyPupp]

Looking good

[tarobbt]

Anyone on here have any problems with liquid cooling? I don't know if I should finally drop money on one, any problems such as leaks?

If not I'm going to pick up the phantek, i hear it knocked the d14 off the throne :fullofwin:

ncix finally carries it :)

[SkinnyPupp]

Anyone on here have any problems with liquid cooling? I don't know if I should finally drop money on one, any problems such as leaks?

If not I'm going to pick up the phantek, i hear it knocked the d14 off the throne :fullofwin:

ncix finally carries it :)
Liquid is only worth it as a hobby. Those enclosed systems are good, but if you have the space I'd rather use a D14

[SkinnyPupp]

Anyone on here have any problems with liquid cooling? I don't know if I should finally drop money on one, any problems such as leaks?

If not I'm going to pick up the phantek, i hear it knocked the d14 off the throne :fullofwin:

ncix finally carries it :)
I'll be receiving a Phantek by next week, I'll let you know how it goes. I'll be comparing it directly to a D14

[Psykopathik]

@lilaznviper

dat case

[twitchyzero]

i need some troubleshooting help

long story short my new card came in but i wanted to test it before i get my new system by putting it in my old system (just in case it's a dud..i could return it in 7 days)

I didn't get the beep/POST or video signal through DVI
i put in the old card...same problem
put in a spare brand new PSU..nadda
i've also tried resetting cmos/taken out the battery..ive made sure all the power connectors are on properly...only thing left for me to try is reseat the CPU heatsink and try the 2nd pcie slot...

any ideas? if i killed my mobo through static electricity i wouldve noticed it right?

[Hehe]

Does anything smell burnt?

If static electricity would come to play, it would have to short some circuit when you turn the power on and you would most likely smell something burnt. That's my past experience at least.

If not, when resetting the cmos, did u disconnect the power, take out the battery and wait for a few minutes? it has to lose power completely for the cmos to reset to factory.

If you turn your computer on without anything except CPU and ram, does it post or at least gives you any signal? (it depends on the mobo)

And unplug everything (down to the memory) and reconnect again. I have had experience where the connector just wasn't plugged hard enough or the ram IIRC became loose somehow when I was swapping components.

[tarobbt]

I'll be receiving a Phantek by next week, I'll let you know how it goes. I'll be comparing it directly to a D14

in on results :) think im going to stay away from water cooling, apparently the d14 performs better than even the H80 which is on sale for 100 bucks.

[twitchyzero]

thanks for the tips hehe
swapping the ram into different slots seemed to do the trick even though it originally loaded as cmos failed...its odd because the original configuration of my memory worked fine for years :suspicious:

now I have trouble seating the HSF to my C2D conroe properly with the stupid push-pins so I'm getting idle temps in the high 60s low 70's :okay:

[Hehe]

now I have trouble seating the HSF to my C2D conroe properly with the stupid push-pins so I'm getting idle temps in the high 60s low 70's :okay:

Maybe take the whole thing off and apply a new layer of thermal paste in the same time?

[twitchyzero]

yeah had to seat it without the fan on first because i couldnt access the push pins..i still dont think one of them are in fully locked position because the plastic is all warped now...but temps are good now

[!MiKrofT]

I didn't even bother with the push pins. I immediately bought an after market cooler that used backplate mounting.

[J.C]

anyone might know some reasons why my cpu is so hot?
its a 3570k oced to 4.32GHz 1.2V on a p8z68-v pro/gen3
i'm using a hyper 212+ with a stock fan pulling and a scythe 1900rpm pushing, and my temperatures at idle range from 32min - 57max, i can't even run prime 95, during the first 5 seconds it reaches 97 degrees and i stop it right away, the voltage isn't even high yet
i read around and people have WAY lower temperatures with higher clocks with the same heat sink

[LuHua]

anyone might know some reasons why my cpu is so hot?
its a 3570k oced to 4.32GHz 1.2V on a p8z68-v pro/gen3
i'm using a hyper 212+ with a stock fan pulling and a scythe 1900rpm pushing, and my temperatures at idle range from 32min - 57max, i can't even run prime 95, during the first 5 seconds it reaches 97 degrees and i stop it right away, the voltage isn't even high yet
i read around and people have WAY lower temperatures with higher clocks with the same heat sink

Check your heatsink contact patch, did you bolt it on properly with the backplate? What thermal compound are you using? And also double check your voltages, CPU-Z works for that.

Also, which scythe fan are you using?

My 2500k at 4.5 is only capping at 60-70 with a 120mm jyuni pwm and a hyper 212+, so something's definitely wrong with yours. My bets are on a bad contact with the heatsink though, if it's that bad.

Also, run Intel Burn Test for testing instead, it's overkill cause it exceeds the load that anything else would put on it but that's what we want.

[J.C]

using the stock thermal compound that came with the 212
i have the jyuni ultra high flow with 110cfm
and the highest voltage that it hits from what i saw is 1.34

i'll check the other things later

and 60-70 under load or idle?

[LuHua]

Actually, I've heard Ivy Bridge chips run hotter than Sandy Bridge, try dropping the oc to 4.0 and see how it is. Otherwise try remounting the hs with MX-4 thermal paste. Read guides on mounting the hyper 212+, the base has an annoying feature to consider when applying paste.

Edit: the 2500k was at 60-70C running the burn test, it's back to stock now and doesn't break 50C. But then Ivy's made with a different process, I don't know how it reacts to overclocking on what is really a budget cooler, albeit a very good one. Yours is doing pretty much what mine did when I tried a 5.0 oc so it could be the hs can't transfer that much heat away from the CPU.

[Datsun]

For Hyper 212+, apply the paste like so:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/images/articles/Best_Thermal_Paste_Application_Methods/HDT_TIM_Application_Two_Lines.jpg

Note how the cracks are filled in, and the main paste application are the 2 (or in the case of the 212+, there's 3 to make) lines. I think for the EVO the gaps are closed now, but see if you can fill them in. And like others are saying, make sure its tightly bolted down.


As for the second fan, remove it. There are tests that show the stock single Blademaster on the 212+ is best performing and best for your money (that means adding a second Blademaster isn't really worth it).

EDIT: how are you connecting the second fan, btw? If its getting too little voltage (from the mobo and not via a Y-splitter) it'll be extra turbulent in the HS.

[tarobbt]

Ivy Bridge apparently runs hotter because Intel switched from a solder to a thermal paste compared to the Sandy Bridge.

This is under the heatspreader btw, not heatsink to cpu contact

[LuHua]

Ivy Bridge apparently runs hotter because Intel switched from a solder to a thermal paste compared to the Sandy Bridge.

That's one of the reasons alright, they cheaped out on us there.

AnandTech - Undervolting and Overclocking on Ivy Bridge (http://www.anandtech.com/show/5763/undervolting-and-overclocking-on-ivy-bridge)

Another reason being because of the shrunken die, you're trying to leech off more concentrated heat, it's coming from a smaller area.

Looks like you're stuck with a lower oc, a better, more expensive cooler (though the chip'll probably still run hot) or backing up to Sandy Bridge if you're dead set on a high oc. That said, do you really need the extra processing power? I'm more than happy with mine at stock speeds and a stable temp (40-50C idle or load).

[Hehe]

Haven't built an IB based PC yet, but can't you remove the thermal paste off by removing the cover somehow and just apply something on your own?

I think as long you secure the die, it should be pretty safe.

[.Renn.Sport]

Just ordered a couple of Xeon 1230 V2 off taobao

just a few hundred mhz slower than the 3770, but a hell lot cheaper!

[!MiKrofT]

Its not an easy task to remove the metal cap. Doing so would also void your warranty.

[J.C]

hmm, ap-15s on nf-f12s for heatsink/radiator fans?
leaning towards the f12s

[Hehe]

Its not an easy task to remove the metal cap. Doing so would also void your warranty.

I will try to remove it when my buddy gets me some IB freebies from their R&D lab.

As for warranty... the freebies are all ES... fuck warranty. :fuckthatshit:

[tmc22]

Is paying $880.50 worth it for the Lenovo T430s thinkpad? Here are the specs:

Intel Core i7-3520M Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz)
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit)
14.0" HD+ (1600 x 900) LED Backlit Anti-Glare Display, Mobile Broadband Ready
Intel HD Graphics 4000 with Intel Core i7-3520M Processor
4 GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (1 DIMM)
UltraNav multi-touch touchpad & TrackPoint
500GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
DVD Recordable
6 Cell Lithium Battery T81+
None
ThinkPad 1x1 b/g/n
Mobile Broadband upgradable
1 Year Depot/Express Warranty

BTW, this laptop would be used for school, not gaming.

[LuHua]

hmm, ap-15s on nf-f12s for heatsink/radiator fans?
leaning towards the f12s

I personally favor the ap-15s, they're very good for the price in terms of airflow, static pressure, and noise. That said, the Noctuas do have PWM control which is a consideration, but I recall them being a little worse noise and performance wise. Which hsf/radiator are you planning to use them on? Difference mainly being between air and watercooling; great for rads but average for heatsinks.

[tarobbt]

Just picked up the Scythe Mine 2 for 30 bucks from memoryexpress :ahwow:

Going to compare it to the Zalman CNPS9900 MaxB.

Same twin tower radiator design as the D14 and Silver Arrow. It should be close.

Test results will be with 2 Scythe Slip Stream 140mm 1700 rpm fans in a push pull setup.

Total setup $45 :fullofwin:

[J.C]

I personally favor the ap-15s, they're very good for the price in terms of airflow, static pressure, and noise. That said, the Noctuas do have PWM control which is a consideration, but I recall them being a little worse noise and performance wise. Which hsf/radiator are you planning to use them on? Difference mainly being between air and watercooling; great for rads but average for heatsinks.

for now a hyper 212, but a friend is upgrading to custom water cooling soon and i'm probably going to buy his h80

[!MiKrofT]

Is paying $880.50 worth it for the Lenovo T430s thinkpad? Here are the specs:

Intel Core i7-3520M Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz)
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit)
14.0" HD+ (1600 x 900) LED Backlit Anti-Glare Display, Mobile Broadband Ready
Intel HD Graphics 4000 with Intel Core i7-3520M Processor
4 GB PC3-12800 DDR3 (1 DIMM)
UltraNav multi-touch touchpad & TrackPoint
500GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
DVD Recordable
6 Cell Lithium Battery T81+
None
ThinkPad 1x1 b/g/n
Mobile Broadband upgradable
1 Year Depot/Express Warranty

BTW, this laptop would be used for school, not gaming.
Decent deal. Looks like the one from rfd. Anyways Lenovo are good for build quality. However the problem with most of the thinkpad line is that the screen sux. Horrible viewing angles and low contrast. They're designed for business use so they don't put much emphasis on the screen.

[LuHua]

for now a hyper 212, but a friend is upgrading to custom water cooling soon and i'm probably going to buy his h80

Then yea, go for either. Make sure you have voltage control on the motherboard if you want to control fan speed on the ap-15s though, or you might need a fan controller. And try to pricematch...I see 2 for 20 or 2 for 30 deals on occasionally, and I got mine for 12 each (ap-15)

[J.C]

the bundle for them atm is save $2 on the ap-15s :okay:
i'll wait a bit

[J.C]

just bought 4 :D
$30 for 2 on sale right now at NCIX

[twitchyzero]

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg834/scaled.php?server=834&filename=img20120630182001.jpg&res=landing
my 1st SLI setup
christmas in june :alonehappy:

[belaud]

Preeeeeetty

[trd2343]

I'm looking for a HDD just to store important documents and camera photos. Since I don't have too too much, I would put reliability > size. I'm looking for something under $100. Do you guys have any recommendations?

In addition, any recommendations for a graphics card under $50?

[!MiKrofT]

SSD's would be good since they're shockproof. Although for $100 you're probably only getting around 128gb.

For myself I store everything on a Network Attached Storage that has 2x 3TB mirrored as well as a USB 3.0 2.5" Enclosure housing a WD Black 500GB

[LuHua]

SSD's would be good since they're shockproof. Although for $100 you're probably only getting around 128gb.

For myself I store everything on a Network Attached Storage that has 2x 3TB mirrored as well as a USB 3.0 2.5" Enclosure housing a WD Black 500GB

Wow that's a lot of money right there, over $500 for the NAS setup?

[!MiKrofT]

Wow that's a lot of money right there, over $500 for the NAS setup?
The NAS setup was about $450 after tax. Its great since I store everything on it and can access it with anything easily. I previously had it installed on my desktop as RAID but finally moved it out a month ago when the NAS went on sale so now its separate and doesn't rely on my desktop being on all the time.

[Narayan]

Current rig is 2 years old and has the following parts

CPU: Intel Core i5 750
GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 460
MoBo: Gigabyte P55A=UD3
RAM: G.Skill RipJaws 4GB DDR3
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB
Case: CoolerMaster HAF 932
PSU: Corsair TX-750

I need a new video card as the current one I have always cuts out and I need to restart the PC. I'm wanting more RAM as 4GB just isnt cutting it right now.

So my question is should I just upgrade my RAM to 16GB and upgrade my video card to something like GTX 570 or Radeon 7870? or should I just bite the bullet and buy a new rig?

The reason why I'm asking is with the new Ivy Processors out... do they make a huge difference? What about adding SSD? There are a few games coming in in the next 3-4 months (GW2, Dishonored etc) that I want to be able to play at decent resolutions.

Trying to weigh the cost of $1500-2000 for new rig or $400-500 for a few parts...

[TOPEC]

The NAS setup was about $450 after tax. Its great since I store everything on it and can access it with anything easily. I previously had it installed on my desktop as RAID but finally moved it out a month ago when the NAS went on sale so now its separate and doesn't rely on my desktop being on all the time.

what nas r u using?

[twitchyzero]

Current rig is 2 years old and has the following parts

CPU: Intel Core i5 750
GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 460
MoBo: Gigabyte P55A=UD3
RAM: G.Skill RipJaws 4GB DDR3
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB
Case: CoolerMaster HAF 932
PSU: Corsair TX-750

I need a new video card as the current one I have always cuts out and I need to restart the PC. I'm wanting more RAM as 4GB just isnt cutting it right now.

So my question is should I just upgrade my RAM to 16GB and upgrade my video card to something like GTX 570 or Radeon 7870? or should I just bite the bullet and buy a new rig?

The reason why I'm asking is with the new Ivy Processors out... do they make a huge difference? What about adding SSD? There are a few games coming in in the next 3-4 months (GW2, Dishonored etc) that I want to be able to play at decent resolutions.

Trying to weigh the cost of $1500-2000 for new rig or $400-500 for a few parts...
get another 8-12GB of RAM, 7870 or gtx 660 when they come out this month, and maybe a SSD if you have money to spare and that will serve you well for another 2-3 years (assuming you dont play at resolutions above 1920x1200)

no need to dump $1000+

[!MiKrofT]

what nas r u using?
Netgear ReadyNAS Duo v2

Should still be on sale at NCIX for $119. I PM with ME to get it down to $99

[J.C]

hey i was wondering, i'm clocked at 4.6ghz @1.365vcore on my 3570k with max temps hitting 80 on aida64.
if i get a better cooler like the nh-d14 over my current 212+, would i be able to keep the same clock at a lower voltage and be stable?

[LuHua]

hey i was wondering, i'm clocked at 4.6ghz @1.365vcore on my 3570k with max temps hitting 80 on aida64.
if i get a better cooler like the nh-d14 over my current 212+, would i be able to keep the same clock at a lower voltage and be stable?

In my experience a better cooler will only get you lower temps, which is good for the cpu, or let you o/c a bit higher. Won't or shouldn't affect how well your oc scales with voltage, that's more on luck with how good of a chip you've gotten.

How did you get your temps down? Thought they were hitting 90+ or was that someone else?

Man I'd love a d14 but I can't help but feel it's going to snap my board in half =.= That, and I don't need a better cooler yet.

[J.C]

yeah that was me, i switched over to aida64 from prime and the temps were much lower
apparently you weren't supposed to use prime95 with ivy bridge cpu's anyways

i'm planning to get a d14, but do you think i can switch the 2 noctuas out for 2 of my gentle typhoons and use the noctuas as case fans?

i don't think my chip is that good or i'm doing something wrong

for 4.4ghz i need 1.26vcore -> 4.5ghz 1.305vcore -> 4.6ghz 1.365vcore -> and 4.7 wasn't stable even at 1.4vcore
a lot of people have been getting 4.8ghz+ with 1.4

[Narayan]

get another 8-12GB of RAM, 7870 or gtx 660 when they come out this month, and maybe a SSD if you have money to spare and that will serve you well for another 2-3 years (assuming you dont play at resolutions above 1920x1200)

no need to dump $1000+

The Radeon 7950 is only 30-$50 dollars more then the 7870... Thinking that is the better route to go?

What would be better? http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=71304&vpn=67NPH6DV6KXZ&manufacture=Galaxy%20Technology&promoid=1382 or http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=67546&promoid=1223

I dont mind spending the extra $40 if the 670 kills the 7870..
..
Also I have the following Motherboard... http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128412

Can I put in 1600mhz ram? manual says DDR 2200/1333/1066/800 but I have 1600mhz ram already in the thing... Looking at adding this http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=57953&vpn=F3-12800CL9D- 8GBXL&manufacture=G%2ESkill&promoid=1223 or http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=44267&vpn=F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL&manufacture=G%2ESkill&promoid=1223

not sure the difference but under the compatability list it shows the P55A mobo

[twitchyzero]

if your mobo already has DDR3-1600 then it shouldn't have any compat issues
7950 has a great overclocking potential but even at that the GTX670 is pretty much a clear winner.
BTW there's a MSI one that's $50 cheaper than your galaxy one...smaller factory OC but great deal.
MSI N670GTX OC GeForce GTX 670 2GB PCI-E w/ Dual DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort at Memory Express (http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX39319)

[Mining]

I'm looking for a HDD just to store important documents and camera photos. Since I don't have too too much, I would put reliability > size. I'm looking for something under $100. Do you guys have any recommendations?

In addition, any recommendations for a graphics card under $50?

Since SSD's are most reliable,
I think NCIX has corsair GT series 120gb for $85. Which is what I'm using and it's great.

[Manic!]

Since SSD's are most reliable,


:suspicious:

[Hondaracer]

what is a good memory test to run? need to check on my ram with some boot issues

[ddr]

i've always just used memtest86+

[Verdasco]

i had boot issues with my old ram and appearantly, it was not compatible with my motherboard. I had to overclock the ram + voltages for it in order to work. used memtest 86 and no errors, thus no reboots :D

[twitchyzero]

noob question
what's the best way to run surround triple 1080p monitors all in landscape?

all connectors to 1st card or 1 DVI to 1st card and 2 DVI to 2nd card?

My 3rd monitor still on the way so cannot test it out yet...so if it's the former I'll have to buy a displayport cable or DVI to HDMI

[J.C]

got my d14 in today
its super big, you can see it almost covers my ram
4 ap-15s, 1 nf-p12, 1 nf-p14 and it's actually pretty quiet
now the only thing left is an ssd and i'm done :D
also used ic diamond thermal compound
together, my load temps dropped around 10 degrees on load over the 212+ with 2 ap-15s in push/pull

http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac258/Jiepo/fc6628cc.jpg

[LuHua]

Nice! How would you say the D14 compares to the 212 in terms of weight? Does it seem like it's stressing the motherboard?

[J.C]

feels around double the weight, doesn't seem like its stressing mb

[lilaznviper]

my watercooling list
swiftech Apogee HD CPU Block
swiftech MCRx20-XP triple rad
swiftech MCP655 water pump
swiftech MCRES Micro Rev2 Reservoir

Anyone with water cooling experience can let me know which compression fittings i need to get to work with all this as well as the tubing... i don't get the measurements that shows on the tubing and fittings.:okay:

Anyone know where i can get this stuff locally... i know ncix doesn't stock some of these parts...

havn't decided on video card as i will be switching the current crossfire 6950 cards

[Hondaracer]

the brackets included with the D14 hold it in there so secure, i didnt have any concerns at all when installing it, didnt even think of taking the weight into account actually

[belaud]

D14. :fuckthatshit:

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/298900_10150380377500449_878420499_n.jpg

Scythe Susanoo :heckno:

80c @ 5.4ghz 1.525v w/ 189CFM NZXT fan on the side.

[J.C]

i saw you in esther's vid

makes the d14 look like a pussy cooler

[LuHua]

That cooler...wtf?! You can't even reach your motherboard with that in place ahaha...

Just wondering though, anyone here work with the xspc rasa kits before? For the price it looks like it's worth it. The other's the Switftech kits that're double the price...

[twitchyzero]

had to look that up
1.5kg?
won't that mess up your mobo over time

[SkinnyPupp]

:fullofwin:

http://i.imgur.com/qIBYD.jpg

[Hehe]

CPU heatsink nowadays are fucking hideous... all because of the stupid heatpipe. :fuckthatshit:

They should develop minimalist watercooling instead if the CPU are generating too much heat for air-based heatsink to handle.

[J.C]

lol i think i applied my thermal paste improperly
im getting 33, 37, 25, 20 on my cores on idle
is it normal to have such a big temperature difference

[LuHua]

Might be the system putting the load on only 1 or 2 cores, check your task manager and see the load on the graphs.

[J.C]

even at full load they're 56,59,51,45

[LuHua]

You MIGHT have missed a spot with the TIM, or maybe it's not evenly spread, but there shouldn't be an issue. Core temps usually vary a bit anyways, and you're in a safe range.