[Harvey Specter]

I just hope they locate the black box before the battery dies. I believe the max is 30 days before that happens.

[Harvey Specter]

Latest:

Malaysia's military believes it tracked a missing jetliner by radar over the Strait of Malacca, far from where it last made contact with civilian air traffic control

All airlines have a control rooms that track their planes and have contact with the cockpit, seems like there's been "selective" info coming out about where exactly the plane was. Maybe the attention should turn to what does MH really know about the plane. And are they covering their tracks because they know something was mechanical wrong with the aircraft but hiding info to possibly protect themselves from legal issues.

[v_tec]

^ to add onto above:

air force chief Rodzali Daud as saying the Malaysia Airlines plane was last detected by military radar at 2:40 a.m. on Saturday, near the island of Pulau Perak at the northern end of the Strait of Malacca. It was flying at a height of about 9,000 metres (29,500 ft), he was quoted as saying.

- Pulau Perak
- 29,500 ft
- This is...1 hr 10mins AFTER the radar "lost track" of the plane

This explains why they started sending the US Navy to search the West of Malaysia yesterday already. They are definitely being selective in what kind of info they are releasing to the public...

[multicartual]

Wow, sounds like a hijacking for sure now. Maybe there is some hope that the people are still alive?

The families of the people on those planes must be going through hell. :(

[4444]

from the bbc:

"Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble said the two men had travelled from Qatar's capital Doha on their Iranian passports, and switched to stolen Italian and Austrian passports to board the Malaysia Airlines flight."

can someone explain to me why they needed to swap passports - i appreciate that being European (well, passport at least) and taking a flight to Europe (indirectly) is better, but surely the risk of flying on a stolen passport is way higher than the risk of having a temporary visa denied once you land - especially if they were looking to immigrate to the EU nations - they'd either be going legally (unlikely) or claiming asylum or something in that ilk - either way, i just don't get the need to fly on stolen passports

for the record, i'm not saying they're doing anything related to the plane, and i'm not sure how it works having an iranian passport, i've got an EU and a Cdn passport, and i appreciate having those two passports!

[4444]

^ to add onto above:



- Pulau Perak
- 29,500 ft
- This is...1 hr 10mins AFTER the radar "lost track" of the plane

This explains why they started sending the US Navy to search the West of Malaysia yesterday already. They are definitely being selective in what kind of info they are releasing to the public...

what's the source of this?

but yes, totally was lost as to why tehy were looking that side of malaysia

now, can one explain how one hijacks a plane? the cockpit is locked and security should pick up any weapons (let's assume security does it's job most of the time)

[CP.AR]

I'm really confused now. it doesn't help that the media uses the terms, radar, ATC, and "tracking" pretty much synonymously

[StylinRed]

It was already discussed days? ago that radar suggested the plane may have turned around and that's why they were already searching the strait of Malacca
Why did it turn around? There was obviously technical problems with the plane, maybe the captain decided it was closer/better to return to KUL for an emergency landing?

Also the investigators suggested (during the press conference) that there may be psychological issues with certain members of the crew / ''someone may have taken a huge insurance policy out on themselves for their family'' it wasn't certain if he was being oddly hypothetical or amazingly blunt

[Ball.J.Inder]

I know conspiracy theories aren't a welcome thing on this forum and I usually don't bandwagon the US is evil BS. But perhaps those 20 FreeScale Semiconductor employees were working on a secret government project and decided to defect to China. Maybe the 2 Iranians with stolen passports were IRGC agents trying to steal what they can before the plane made it to China or maybe the Freescale employees tried to triple cross China and piss of both China and the US by selling secrets to Iran causing either to shootdown the plane. Either that or Aliens. >_<

[donjalapeno]

^ shut your whore mouth

[Soundy]

I'm not talking about Wifi and 4G,
I know, I was just kind of filling in info :)

[Soundy]

suck it bigots

(now the bigots will call for us to not jump to conclusions and see how this turns out)

WAT?? RS NEVER jumps to conclusions!

[thumper]

wow. someone above was wondering how hijackers could have gotten into the cockpit... :

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Co-Pilot Invited Tourists into Cockpit in 'Crazy' Security Breach (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-co-pilot-invited-tourists-into-cockpit-crazy-security-breach-1439789)

[thumper]

this is creepy:

Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Passengers' Mobile Phones Ring But Not Answered (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-passengers-mobile-phones-ring-not-answered-1439560)

[thumper]

just to back up what someone else posted above:

Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast: source | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140311)

i don't get it. they knew about this and still let search teams waste time searching the wrong area???

[underscore]

Can the next person who posts about the damn phones ringing get points?

^ to add onto above:

- Pulau Perak
- 29,500 ft
- This is...1 hr 10mins AFTER the radar "lost track" of the plane

This explains why they started sending the US Navy to search the West of Malaysia yesterday already. They are definitely being selective in what kind of info they are releasing to the public...

This is also ~400 miles from where they said last contact was, going in the wrong direction and not really towards Kuala Lumpur. To top it off, according to this: Crash: Malaysia B772 over Gulf of Thailand on Mar 8th 2014, aircraft missing (http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0) they originally listed the last contact as 02:40L originally (the time of this location near Pulau Perak), and then corrected it to 01:30L.

So either the military radar isn't very dependable (which could be possible, if the planes radar systems were shut off I assume the military could only see the plane, not know which plane it is) , or some fuckheads have known the whole time that the plane was nowhere near where they said it was. :rukidding:

Disclaimer: Slightly goofy theory/question below
edit: and now I'm wondering, if they had a massive communications issue so planes radar systems are off, they can't talk to anyone (and lets assume nav systems are screwy too, they guesstimated the U turn back towards Kuala Lumpur and were off) and they show up on the military radar as a bigass jet not on a designated flight path, what would the military do? I have a hard time thinking they would just ignore that and not send a jet or something.

[fsy82]

this is creepy:

Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Passengers' Mobile Phones Ring But Not Answered (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-passengers-mobile-phones-ring-not-answered-1439560)

People are failing his post but not explaining why in the article that some calls are connecting and being hung up from the other end. Maybe a telecommunication expert on RS can explain further.

Still cannot fathom how a 777 has just disappeared.

[fsy82]

Men with Stolen Passport Identified

Interpol 'inclined' to say Malaysia Airlines disappearance not terror - CNN.com@@AMEPARAM@@video: 'world/2014/03/11/newday-brown-flight-370-passengers-identified.cnn-ap'@@AMEPARAM@@world/2014/03/11/newday-brown-flight-370-passengers-identified.cnn-ap

[Ball.J.Inder]

What exactly is considered "hung up", like someone picks up says hello and hangs up or the phone saying connected for 2 seconds and then losing connection? I bet you it's just conspiracy theorist mad that their little "phone going busy" shenanigans was debunked so now they pulling shit out of their ass.

[fsy82]

What exactly is considered "hung up", like someone picks up says hello and hangs up or the phone saying connected for 2 seconds and then losing connection? I bet you it's just conspiracy theorist mad that they're little "phone going busy" shenanigans was debunked so now they pulling shit out of their ass.

This an excerpt from the website

A man from Beijing also called his missing brother on the plane, and reported to the airlines that the phone connected three times and rang before appearing to hang up, according to Shanghai Daily. Media reports claim that the brother had called the number in the presence of reporters before informing the airline.

[underscore]

People are failing his post but not explaining why in the article that some calls are connecting and being hung up from the other end. Maybe a telecommunication expert on RS can explain further.

Still cannot fathom how a 777 has just disappeared.

It's not being "hung up from the other end", it's just not connecting. The ringing in cell phones is faked anyways, it's not like old land line to land line where the ring you heard was the other persons phone ringing, it's just there to let you know it's trying to make the call. Have you never tried calling someones cell after they misplaced it? You get ringing for a second or two before their phone starts going off. Do you really think the plane was landed somewhere within range of cell towers by people who wouldn't bother to take everyone's phones and shut them off/destroy them?

To verify that, I just tried to call my personal cell phone (which is off) from my work cell phone. I'll get ringing despite the other phone definitely not being connected.

[Akinari]

Ringing phones mean nothing. The phone on the receiver's end may not be ringing.

Malaysia Airlines Passengers' Phones Ringing? Maybe Not - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/malaysia-airlines-passengers-phones-ringing-maybe-not-n49371)

[Soundy]

Can the next person who posts about the damn phones ringing get points?



This is also ~400 miles from where they said last contact was, going in the wrong direction and not really towards Kuala Lumpur. To top it off, according to this: Crash: Malaysia B772 over Gulf of Thailand on Mar 8th 2014, aircraft missing (http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0) they originally listed the last contact as 02:40L originally (the time of this location near Pulau Perak), and then corrected it to 01:30L.

So either the military radar isn't very dependable (which could be possible, if the planes radar systems were shut off I assume the military could only see the plane, not know which plane it is) , or some fuckheads have known the whole time that the plane was nowhere near where they said it was. :rukidding:

Disclaimer: Slightly goofy theory/question below
edit: and now I'm wondering, if they had a massive communications issue so planes radar systems are off, they can't talk to anyone (and lets assume nav systems are screwy too, they guesstimated the U turn back towards Kuala Lumpur and were off) and they show up on the military radar as a bigass jet not on a designated flight path, what would the military do? I have a hard time thinking they would just ignore that and not send a jet or something.

Here's the thing: RADAR doesn't tell anyone what plane it's showing, it just shows an object. They could have picked up a different plane on a similar course and an operator mistook it for the airliner in question.

In fact, there seems to be a little confusion as to exactly how RADAR works: all it does is send out a pulse of radio waves, and IF some are reflected back, it calculates the distance the object is by the time it takes the signal to return. Speed toward or away from the array can be determined by Doppler shift; speed perpendicular to the array can be determined by position change between sweeps.

As has been already noted, civilian RADAR has an effective maximum distance of 120 miles or so - this is because radio waves disperse over distance... same as shining a flashlight on distant trees. The further the object, the weaker the signal, the less reliable it gets. You can get more range with a tighter beam, but at the expense of coverage area and only being able to scan a small area (picture a flashlight you can focus from a wide beam to a narrow spot).

The plane's own RADAR systems have nothing to do with their tracking on the ground; those are there to show the plane's crew what's around it in the sky.

[Soundy]

People are failing his post but not explaining why in the article that some calls are connecting and being hung up from the other end. Maybe a telecommunication expert on RS can explain further.
They're failing him because this has already been covered.

[underscore]

Here's the thing: RADAR doesn't tell anyone what plane it's showing, it just shows an object. They could have picked up a different plane on a similar course and an operator mistook it for the airliner in question.

<snip>

The plane's own RADAR systems have nothing to do with their tracking on the ground; those are there to show the plane's crew what's around it in the sky.

I know the basics of how it works, but I could've sworn someone mentioned earlier that the planes systems also send info to the ground IDing the plane and giving more accurate info.

edit: maybe radar isn't the correct term for the system I'm thinking of. Is there one that does what I described?

[GabAlmighty]

Here's the thing: RADAR doesn't tell anyone what plane it's showing, it just shows an object. They could have picked up a different plane on a similar course and an operator mistook it for the airliner in question.

In fact, there seems to be a little confusion as to exactly how RADAR works: all it does is send out a pulse of radio waves, and IF some are reflected back, it calculates the distance the object is by the time it takes the signal to return. Speed toward or away from the array can be determined by Doppler shift; speed perpendicular to the array can be determined by position change between sweeps.

As has been already noted, civilian RADAR has an effective maximum distance of 120 miles or so - this is because radio waves disperse over distance... same as shining a flashlight on distant trees. The further the object, the weaker the signal, the less reliable it gets. You can get more range with a tighter beam, but at the expense of coverage area and only being able to scan a small area (picture a flashlight you can focus from a wide beam to a narrow spot).

The plane's own RADAR systems have nothing to do with their tracking on the ground; those are there to show the plane's crew what's around it in the sky.

Not 100% true there Soundy. Your explanation of Radar is spot on but there are ways for it to correctly identify which plane is which. It all depends on the type of transponder that the aircraft has, be in mode A, C, or S. Mode A; if I remember correctly just fires back a target with altitude to the radar station. Mode C you'll get speed, altitude. Mode S you get pretty much errthang concerning the aircraft.

That being said, the aircraft was, 99% chance, out of any sort of radar converage. Missed a couple mandatory reporting points. Shit went down. It fell out of the sky. Errone dead. End of story.

[Soundy]

I know the basics of how it works, but I could've sworn someone mentioned earlier that the planes systems also send info to the ground IDing the plane and giving more accurate info.

edit: maybe radar isn't the correct term for the system I'm thinking of. Is there one that does what I described?

That would probably be the ADS-B system Amuro Ray referred to back on page 10. The plane gets its own position from GPS receivers, and relays that back, typically via VHF radio... basically like someone getting on the mic and saying, "Our coordinates are blah blah blah blah", but automated.

If the radio systems go down, though, then the plane has to way to transmit that information.

[fsy82]

From CNN

The Malaysian Air Force has traced the last known location of Malaysia Airlines flight 370 to Pulau Perak, a very small island in the Straits of Malacca and hundreds of miles from the usual Kuala Lumpur to Beijing flight path, according to a senior Malaysian Air Force official. The official declined to be named because he is not authorized to speak to the media.

If the Malaysian Air Force data cited by the source is correct, the aircraft was flying the opposite direction from its scheduled destination and on the opposite side of the Malay Peninsula from its scheduled route.

Previous accounts had the aircraft losing touch with air traffic control near the coast of Vietnam.

[Soundy]

Not 100% true there Soundy. Your explanation of Radar is spot on but there are ways for it to correctly identify which plane is which. It all depends on the type of transponder that the aircraft has, be in mode A, C, or S. Mode A; if I remember correctly just fires back a target with altitude to the radar station. Mode C you'll get speed, altitude. Mode S you get pretty much errthang concerning the aircraft.
I was over-simplifying, of course... but as with other methods, IDENTIFYING the plane still relies on the plane's own systems working properly. RADAR by itself can only tell you there's an object there, and some basic information about its position and trajectory.

[GabAlmighty]

ADS-B is still a looooooooong ways off from being "put into production". US isn't having it mandatory until about 2020 and the EU is saying 2017 (and only for big planes). Info taken from Wiki.

[underscore]

Thanks Soundy, you answered my question about the systems (despite me bungling up which is which)

So assuming those systems stopped working on the plane (seeing as the other people stopped receiving it), when the military radar picked up the plane at 02:40L I presume they would've just seen a big blip with none of the other info they should normally get from a jet. This explains why it took them a while to sort out that the blip they saw was the missing plane, but what I'm wondering is this: what action would the military take if they pick up a big, unidentified plane in their airspace?

[GabAlmighty]

Thanks Soundy, you answered my question about the systems (despite me bungling up which is which)

So assuming those systems stopped working on the plane (seeing as the other people stopped receiving it), when the military radar picked up the plane at 02:40L I presume they would've just seen a big blip with none of the other info they should normally get from a jet. This explains why it took them a while to sort out that the blip they saw was the missing plane, but what I'm wondering is this: what action would the military take if they pick up a big, unidentified plane in their airspace?

Very dependant upon the country. I mean look at that plane that the Russians shot down in the 80's? As a rule of thumb the military isn't going to shoot a plane down the moment it gets within its airspace without permission. If it enters the airspace they would most likely send up a couple fighters, who would then fly up alongside and try communicating with the jet (every pilot in the world must know their intercept orders, or have a copy with them). If they can't communicate then theoretically they would shoot it down.

[underscore]

Very dependant upon the country. I mean look at that plane that the Russians shot down in the 80's? As a rule of thumb the military isn't going to shoot a plane down the moment it gets within its airspace without permission. If it enters the airspace they would most likely send up a couple fighters, who would then fly up alongside and try communicating with the jet (every pilot in the world must know their intercept orders, or have a copy with them). If they can't communicate then theoretically they would shoot it down.

I know they wouldn't be likely to just shoot it down right away, but it was nighttime and the systems were most likely quite messed up. It could be pretty difficult to communicate with the passenger jet in that sort of situation, I'm not saying it definitely got shot down but I wouldn't rule out the possibility given the circumstances.

[Hondaracer]

Pilot let's terrorists into cockpit on his own accord due to them being tourists

"Tourists" take over plane turn it back towards Malaysia

Tourists make demands heading back towards major cities

Shoot down plane over water/jungle

Release info slow due to not knowing how to deal with situation
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[lowside67]

Pilot let's terrorists into cockpit on his own accord due to them being tourists

"Tourists" take over plane turn it back towards Malaysia

Tourists make demands heading back towards major cities

Shoot down plane over water/jungle

Release info slow due to not knowing how to deal with situation
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The copilot once before let two decent looking girls into the cockpit that he was flirting with on the ground before the flight. The chances he would randomly let two men from Iran into the cockpit are a lot slimmer.

[GabAlmighty]

The copilot once before let two decent looking girls into the cockpit that he was flirting with on the ground before the flight. The chances he would randomly let two men from Iran into the cockpit are a lot slimmer.

They wanted his D

[bobola]

The girls just wanted to take a peek at his cockpit

:ifyouknow:

[Soundy]

...what action would the military take if they pick up a big, unidentified plane in their airspace?

Very dependant upon the country.

Also dependent on their capabilities... did reports not say it was the Malaysian military that tracked the blip? Do they HAVE fighter jets?

[underscore]

I believe it said Malaysian, but that was only one report and they might have just assumed it was Malaysia.

[seakrait]

Also dependent on their capabilities... did reports not say it was the Malaysian military that tracked the blip? Do they HAVE fighter jets?
According to Wikipedia:

Royal Malaysian Air Force
Su-30 x18
MiG-29 x10
F/A-18 x8
BAE Hawk x13
F-5 x13

Vietnam People's Air Force
Su-30 x 24
Su-27 x12
Su-22 x38
MiG-21 x144

So yeah, enough there to deal with a "rogue" 777. Not that I believe that they would have shot down the airliner without any clear indication of danger to personal and national safety.

As for the other countries around there:

Royal Cambodian Air Force
MiG-21 x20

Royal Thai Air Force
Gripen x12
F-16A/B x54
F-5 x34
Alpha Jet x19

Myanmar Air Force
Chengdu F-7 x25
MiG-29 x26

Indonesian Air Force
Su-27 x5
Su-30 x11
F-16 x10
Hawk x23
F-5 x11
Super Tucano x4

And just for kicks:

Republic of Singapore Air Force
F-15SG x24
F-16 x74
F-5 x49


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[thumper]

It's not being "hung up from the other end", it's just not connecting. The ringing in cell phones is faked anyways, it's not like old land line to land line where the ring you heard was the other persons phone ringing, it's just there to let you know it's trying to make the call. Have you never tried calling someones cell after they misplaced it? You get ringing for a second or two before their phone starts going off. Do you really think the plane was landed somewhere within range of cell towers by people who wouldn't bother to take everyone's phones and shut them off/destroy them?

To verify that, I just tried to call my personal cell phone (which is off) from my work cell phone. I'll get ringing despite the other phone definitely not being connected.

that was my misunderstanding. when they said "hang up" i thought that meant someone actually picked up the call and then disconnected, whereas the earlier posts only mentioned the phone was just ringing.

[Razor Ramon HG]

I've been reading about this from the beginning and the best theory I've seen is that the plane was shot down by the military and the Malaysian government is covering it up, hence all the confusion and misinformation.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I've been reading about this from the beginning and the best theory I've seen is that the plane was shot down by the military and the Malaysian government is covering it up, hence all the confusion and misinformation.

Maybe it was shot down by N.Korea.

[Gumby]

I've been reading about this from the beginning and the best theory I've seen is that the plane was shot down by the military and the Malaysian government is covering it up, hence all the confusion and misinformation.
Possibly - but what was the reason for shooting it down? Was it indeed hijacked?

[Razor Ramon HG]

Possibly - but what was the reason for shooting it down? Was it indeed hijacked?

I believe it went along the lines of the airplane failing to communicate with fighter jets resulting in it being shot down on fear of it being hijacked.

But the only thing is that if it was indeed shot down, I'm sure it would've been noticed by someone.

[seakrait]

I believe it went along the lines of the airplane failing to communicate with fighter jets resulting in it being shot down on fear of it being hijacked.

But the only thing is that if it was indeed shot down, I'm sure it would've been noticed by someone.

Depending on where it gets shot down though. If it's over the middle of Malaysia, maybe no one.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Malaysia_population_density_2010b.png

For reference, Kuala Lumpur is the heavily populated purple zone on West side of the Malaysian peninsula on the left.

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[hchang]

I've been reading about this from the beginning and the best theory I've seen is that the plane was shot down by the military and the Malaysian government is covering it up, hence all the confusion and misinformation.

I agree with this.

Maybe or maybe not Malaysian but one of the governments must be involved.
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[Soundy]

Aaaaaand here we go:

snopes.com: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 (http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/malaysia.asp)

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/670/0982477751.jpg (http://easycaptures.com/0982477751)
View Screen Capture (http://easycaptures.com/0982477751)

[Razor Ramon HG]

Depending on where it gets shot down though. If it's over the middle of Malaysia, maybe no one.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Malaysia_population_density_2010b.png

For reference, Kuala Lumpur is the heavily populated purple zone on West side of the Malaysian peninsula on the left.

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That's a good point. I just wanted to bring it up since it seemed like it could've been a possible refute.

I know right now they're looking at the Straits of Malacca, and as far as I know, it's a popular trading route. I think if anything happened there, someone would've saw it for sure.

I believe with all the misinformation and with what the government is saying in press releases that they're simply designating different areas as a decoy, e.g. Gulf of Thailand -> South China Sea -> Strait of Malacca, in order to buy time.

[dangonay]

I believe it went along the lines of the airplane failing to communicate with fighter jets resulting in it being shot down on fear of it being hijacked.

But the only thing is that if it was indeed shot down, I'm sure it would've been noticed by someone.
I see no reason to shoot down a jet that's not communicating over open water. If there's no immediate danger to anyone (like a city or populated area) then why not try to keep communicating until such time that there is a risk to someone? If they refuse to change course or acknowledge and they're getting close to a populated area, then shoot them down at the last minute. In which case the chance it was visible to someone would go way up.

[Harvey Specter]

You can't visit the flightdeck during a flight even if you're a 5 year old that wants to say hi to the pilot so the chances of some randoms getting access to the flightdeck are slim to none. Now if it was a hostage situation and someone had say a knife to a flight crew or passengers neck, the pilots would have radioed for help, asked ATC for the nearest airport to land and still have not opened the door.

The other possible scenario might be is the plane lost all flight controls including backups and the pilots were trying to follow the coastline back to the mainland essentially doing a VFR flight but at night. Flying over large body of water at night will get you disoriented fast without any feedback for altitude and speed. There's so many scenario's if it was indeed a technical problem that brought this plane down.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Just to ease the tension here a bit
Snakes On A Plane trailer - YouTube

[seakrait]

I see no reason to shoot down a jet that's not communicating over open water. If there's no immediate danger to anyone (like a city or populated area) then why not try to keep communicating until such time that there is a risk to someone? If they refuse to change course or acknowledge and they're getting close to a populated area, then shoot them down at the last minute. In which case the chance it was visible to someone would go way up.

Agree. Not to mention that I'm sure the kill authority would have to come from very high up and those higher ups would have to think of the possible ramifications of needlessly killing a couple hundred citizens of your continent's largest and most-well armed country.
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[Soundy]

Just to ease the tension here a bit
Snakes On A Plane trailer - YouTube (http://youtu.be/--4iHxLJWvI)

Or...

Top 10 Airplane Crashes in Movies - YouTube

[Harvey Specter]

Yah posting videos of plane crashes in a plane crash thread really eases tension :facepalm:

[v_tec]

http://p7.storage.canalblog.com/76/72/43977/94510809.png

http://cmd0.com/images/plane.gif

:suspicious:
But honestly, it looks more like just two ships side to side...

[Ball.J.Inder]

typical stupid revscene question:

If they have so many satellites watching, why can't we see the airplane in highdef under all the clouds on googlemaps?

[RRxtar]

^
This sort of changes the fantasy idea that the US has so much secret tech that we don't know about. I actually thought the US military would have some super satellite recording where they could track the plane from take off to wherever it went. Or that they would have some kind of eye on everything in the sky.

Or maybe they do, and just haven't released it to the public yet.

Or maybe they do, but haven't released it because shenanigans. #tinfoilhat

[bballguy]

But honestly, it looks more like just two ships side to side...

l00kz like mah dih

[EmperorIS]

Man I don't know whats going on anymore... but one thing I do know is Malaysia.. You Fucked up.

[tiger_handheld]

http://p7.storage.canalblog.com/76/72/43977/94510809.png

http://cmd0.com/images/plane.gif

:suspicious:
But honestly, it looks more like just two ships side to side...

why would there be two ships side by side?

[bballguy]

why would there be two ships side by side?

Battleshitz

[StylinRed]

^
This sort of changes the fantasy idea that the US has so much secret tech that we don't know about. I actually thought the US military would have some super satellite recording where they could track the plane from take off to wherever it went. Or that they would have some kind of eye on everything in the sky.

Or maybe they do, and just haven't released it to the public yet.

Or maybe they do, but haven't released it because shenanigans. #tinfoilhat

They do have high powered imaging satellites that we've seen some imagery from already when the US made their case against Iraq/Afghanistan/North Korea/Iran and the imagery is rumored to be even more capable than what is shown to the public

But obviously they have to aim it at the area to use it which is what I was wondering before, are they willing to use those satellites to search for the airliner? or do they find those resources better utilized where they currently are?

There was also tech showcased last year that the US govt was planning/implementing that would be an 'eye in the sky' that recorded certain regions and if anything ever happened there the govt. could just playback the high resolution video (there was a thread/post in RS about this too I believe)

But I doubt the US had that region under surveillance? or if the tech is even in place (who knows)

[shenmecar]

why would there be two ships side by side?

pirates.

[rb]

why would there be two ships side by side?

US Navy Resupply ship? Watched a Nat Geo documentary on it. They're basically side by side on the open water sending things across via cranes and cables

[jepho]

nevermind.

[twitchyzero]

:suspicious:
But honestly, it looks more like just two ships side to side...

the gulf of thailand is very shallow...like 50m
so it might be possible to see a plane submerged even from the sky

[CP.AR]

http://p7.storage.canalblog.com/76/72/43977/94510809.png

http://cmd0.com/images/plane.gif

:suspicious:
But honestly, it looks more like just two ships side to side...


The scale doesn't look quite right too
cabin width of a triple is something like 6m, if the scale on the map is true then the object in the picture has a width of more like 10

typical stupid revscene question:

If they have so many satellites watching, why can't we see the airplane in highdef under all the clouds on googlemaps?
That under the clouds high def stuff is aerial photography

[nah]

The thing I don't understand is why you would allow a pilot to override the transmitter beacon? That should be something that shouldn't be able to be turned off, like the blackbox recording.

[v_tec]

why would there be two ships side by side?

Refueling? There's lots of reasons.

Someone matched it with another satellite pic at 2:59am..pretty sure it's a boat.
Like Amuro Ray mentioned, the scale and width of it doesn't match a 777 either.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/members/tech1-albums-flyertalk-picture7619-notmh370.jpg

[RRxtar]

They do have high powered imaging satellites that we've seen some imagery from already when the US made their case against Iraq/Afghanistan/North Korea/Iran and the imagery is rumored to be even more capable than what is shown to the public

But obviously they have to aim it at the area to use it which is what I was wondering before, are they willing to use those satellites to search for the airliner? or do they find those resources better utilized where they currently are?

There was also tech showcased last year that the US govt was planning/implementing that would be an 'eye in the sky' that recorded certain regions and if anything ever happened there the govt. could just playback the high resolution video (there was a thread/post in RS about this too I believe)

But I doubt the US had that region under surveillance? or if the tech is even in place (who knows)
I always dreamed they had a satellite system with uber-mega-giggle pixel cameras with a pair of them HD vision glasses over the lens to record anything anywhere all the time.

[CP.AR]

The thing I don't understand is why you would allow a pilot to override the transmitter beacon? That should be something that shouldn't be able to be turned off, like the blackbox recording.

... which transmitter beacon?

[yray]

^probs talking about the transponder

[underscore]

Depending on where it gets shot down though. If it's over the middle of Malaysia, maybe no one.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Malaysia_population_density_2010b.png

For reference, Kuala Lumpur is the heavily populated purple zone on West side of the Malaysian peninsula on the left.

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Wasn't it already west of Malaysia when the military picked it up? Assuming it really was there, and still heading that direction from the last civilian contact, it was going out over what looks to be a very sparsely populated part of Indonesia and then nothing but ocean. If it crashed into that part of Indonesia chances are nobody saw it and it could get sucked up by the jungle like Soundy originally mentioned.

Agree. Not to mention that I'm sure the kill authority would have to come from very high up and those higher ups would have to think of the possible ramifications of needlessly killing a couple hundred citizens of your continent's largest and most-well armed country.
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That's assuming they were able to contact the plane. If the plane was highjacked without the pilots contacting anyone, but the military was able to contact them then shooting them down makes little sense. If the systems got screwed up all the military would see is a big plane, nowhere near a designated flight path, that won't respond to attempted contact (it's also the middle of the night).

IMO these are the best scenarios right now:
1) Plane highjacked and rerouted, either shot down OR crashed (highjackers could have been planning to attack Kuala Lumpur from the ocean side to avoid detection, passengers fight back resulting in a crash. Or the highjackers were bad pilots?)

edit: And who is to say one (or both?) of the pilots couldn't have highjacked the plane? That would explain them going silent and knowing which systems to shut off.

2) Electrical systems error, pilots attempt to do a 180 but don't get it right, end up flying off into nowhere and crash/run out of fuel OR military sees it not responding, panics and shoots it down

[skiiipi]

You can't visit the flightdeck during a flight even if you're a 5 year old that wants to say hi to the pilot so the chances of some randoms getting access to the flightdeck are slim to none. Now if it was a hostage situation and someone had say a knife to a flight crew or passengers neck, the pilots would have radioed for help, asked ATC for the nearest airport to land and still have not opened the door.
.

was this a recent rule? I remember back in 96-97 flying Canada 3000 from PEK to YVR, I was taken by one of the flight attendant to the cockpit, sat on one of the seats in the cockpit for about 15min, was given a model airplane and some other goodies. I was like 8 or 9 back then.

[Soundy]

was this a recent rule? I remember back in 96-97 flying Canada 3000 from PEK to YVR, I was taken by one of the flight attendant to the cockpit, sat on one of the seats in the cockpit for about 15min, was given a model airplane and some other goodies. I was like 8 or 9 back then.

You may remember a little incident that made the news on Sept. 11, 2001...
:suspicious:

[skiiipi]

You may remember a little incident that made the news on Sept. 11, 2001...
:suspicious:

lol i suppose that little incident changed pretty much everything about how we fly eh?

[Soundy]

:facepalm:

[Harvey Specter]

Posted on my FB feed;

There are some astonishing things you’re not being told about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the flight that simply vanished over the Gulf of Thailand with 239 people on board.

The mystery of the flight’s sudden and complete disappearance has even the world’s top air safety authorities baffled. “Air-safety and antiterror authorities on two continents appeared equally stumped about what direction the probe should take,” reports the Wall Street Journal.

WSJ goes on to report:

“For now, it seems simply inexplicable,” said Paul Hayes, director of safety and insurance at Ascend Worldwide, a British advisory and aviation data firm.

While investigators are baffled, the mainstream media isn’t telling you the whole story, either. So I’ve assembled this collection of facts that should raise serious questions in the minds of anyone following this situation.

• Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion

No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.

• Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean

Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn’t been detected at all. That’s why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to “home in” on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself — an object designed to survive powerful explosions — has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.

• Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water

In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That’s because — as you may recall from the safety briefing you’ve learned to ignore — “your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device.”

Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.

• Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature

One theory currently circulating on the ‘net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to “smithereens” — which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.

The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.

• Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery

Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed — three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.

Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They’ve seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.

• Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar

Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called “passive” radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).

Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar.
Conclusion: Flight 370 did not explode; it vanished

The inescapable conclusion from what we know so far is that Flight 370 seems to have utterly and inexplicably vanished. It clearly was not hijacked (unless there is a cover-up regarding the radar data), and we can all be increasingly confident by the hour that this was not a mid-air explosion (unless debris suddenly turns up that they’ve somehow missed all along).

The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-sounding theories across the ‘net, including discussions of possible secret military weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.

Personally, I’m not buying any of that without a lot more evidence. The most likely explanation so far is that the debris simply hasn’t been found yet because it fell over an area which is somehow outside the search zone. But as each day goes by, even this explanation becomes harder and harder to swallow.

The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won’t. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.

If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth’s nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure.

[Purely]

Letter that was received by Vietnamese officials about a poss... on Twitpic (http://twitpic.com/dy1qmm)

[Jayboogz]

Alien obduction obviously took the whole plane.

[Purely]

MH370 - what happened (http://mh370lost.tumblr.com/?og=1)

[rsx]

This thread is an example of how religions come about....people that need justification resort to supernatural/conspiracy theories...just like old sheep herders from ye olde bible times. lol.

[Obsideon]

Maybe it was a raging depression-induced alcoholic air marshall ...
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2013/01/02/Non-Stop_510x317.jpg

:pokerface:

Sorry just saw this movie ... super creeped out with the coincidence...

[underscore]

Posted on my FB feed;

That is the stupidest article I've read on this subject yet. Whatever moron wrote that has very little idea of how anything works and they clearly haven't bothered listening to the actual reports, probably because they're busy being a conspiracy theorist nutjob. How the fuck can they claim an "inescapable conclusion" of things like it being sucked up by the universe or destroyed by futuristic alien weapons after only 4 fucking days.

It amazes me that people so dumb can figure out how to use a keyboard.

[nah]

lol i suppose that little incident changed pretty much everything about how we fly eh?

:rukidding:

And when the US dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima, that was a LITTLE incident too...

[CP.AR]

MH370 - what happened (http://mh370lost.tumblr.com/?og=1)

so many holes in that explanation I'm not even going to bother entertaining it

[nah]

Put your tinfoil hats on everyone...

The hijacking and shoot down theory makes a lot of sense right now...

1. The transponder was turned off
2. Communication was cut off but plane was still flying
3. Plane was hundreds of miles off course in the Strait of Malacca
4. Seems to be a cover up happening from the Malaysian government. The military would have told them right away that their radar picked up the plane in the Strait of Malacca instead of letting the world believe the plane crash by Vietnam.

Ever remember taking something as a kid and then feeling bad about it, then pretending to find it when people are looking for it? I feel that's the situation here with the Malaysian government, it took 3-4 days to release the fact that military radar picked it up by the Strait of Malacca.

[multicartual]

This thread is an example of how religions come about....people that need justification resort to supernatural/conspiracy theories...just like old sheep herders from ye olde bible times. lol.


Uhhh... there is plenty of evidence for the existence of ghosts. I am totally willing to fund a road trip to a haunted location and setup an investigation to scare the shit out of a few staunch skeptic Revsceners this summer. :)

[multicartual]

Put your tinfoil hats on everyone...

The hijacking and shoot down theory makes a lot of sense right now...



I think we can all agree that the public is being kept in the dark about what really happened until all sources can agree on what information they will release

[StylinRed]

Put your tinfoil hats on everyone...

4. Seems to be a cover up happening from the Malaysian government. The military would have told them right away that their radar picked up the plane in the Strait of Malacca instead of letting the world believe the plane crash by Vietnam.

I feel that's the situation here with the Malaysian government, it took 3-4 days to release the fact that military radar picked it up by the Strait of Malacca.

it was actually less than 24hrs before the news reported that they were also looking on the West Coast of Malaysia (in the strait) because radar suggested they may have turned around

that snippet was even posted in here a day after the thread started

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I always dreamed they had a satellite system with uber-mega-giggle pixel cameras with a pair of them HD vision glasses over the lens to record anything anywhere all the time.

paranoid uptight egotistical privacy rights types would have their panties all in a knot.

they have something like that, i saw a video of... some drone that could circle the skies for prolonged periods of time recording everything in super HD. It was posted on RS a while ago, maybe under the skynet/robotics thread.

[underscore]

it was actually less than 24hrs before the news reported that they were also looking on the West Coast of Malaysia (in the strait) because radar suggested they may have turned around

that snippet was even posted in here a day after the thread started

Exactly. It took them a while to release the info that they had picked it up with the military radar in the opposite direction, I'm guessing they didn't want to release that until it was confirmed. Of course that supports the theory that the plane wasn't communicating properly since presumably they would've known right away which plane they were picking up if the plane was functioning properly.

[v_tec]

Maybe I need to post this again in bold and red for those that's having trouble following up with the factual events, or just failing to read.

Allegedly released by RMAF 11 Mar:

OFFICIAL STATEMENT BY CHIEF OF ROYAL MALAYSIAN AIR FORCE ON
BERITA HARIAN NEWS ARTICLE DATED 11th MARCH 2014 ON SEARCH AND RESCUE OPERATIONS IN THE STRAITS OF MALACCA

1. I refer to the Berita Harian news article dated 11th March 2014 on Search and Rescue Operations in the Straits of Malacca which (in Bahasa Malaysia) referred to me as making the following statements:

The RMAF Chief confirmed that RMAF Butterworth airbase detected the location signal of the airliner as indicating that it turned back from its original heading to the direction of Kota Bahru, Kelantan, and was believed to have pass through the airspace of the East Coast of and Northern Peninsular Malaysia.

The last time the plane was detected by the air control tower was in the vicinity of Pulau Perak in the Straits of Malacca at 2.40 in the morning before the signal disappeared without any trace, he said.

2. I wish to state that I did not make any such statements as above, what occurred was that the Berita Harian journalist asked me if such an incident occurred as detailed in their story, however I did not give any answer to the question, instead what I said to the journalist was “Please refer to the statement which I have already made on 9 March 2014, during the press conference with the Chief of Defence Force at the Sama-Sama Hotel, Kuala Lumpur International Airport”.

3. What I stated during that press conference was,

The RMAF has not ruled out the possibility of an air turn back on a reciprocal heading before the aircraft vanished from the radar and this resulted in the Search and Rescue Operations being widen to the vicinity of the waters of Pulau Pinang.

9 Mar: "What we have done is actually look into the recording on the radar that we have and we realized there is a possibility the aircraft did make a turnback," Rodzali Daud, the Royal Malaysian Air Force chief, told reporters at a news conference.

The flight carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew was presumed to have crashed off the Vietnamese coast on Saturday, after losing contact with air traffic controllers off the eastern Malaysia coast. -Courant
4. I request this misreporting be amended and corrected to prevent further misinterpretations of what is clearly an inaccurate and incorrect report.

5. Currently the RMAF is examining and analyzing all possibilities as regards to the airliner’s flight paths subsequent to its disappearance. However for the time being, it would not be appropriate for the RMAF to issue any official conclusions as to the aircraft’s flight path until a high amount of certainty and verification is achieved. However all ongoing search operations are at the moment being conducted to cover all possible areas where the aircraft could have gone down in order to ensure no possibility is overlooked.

6. In addition, I would like to state to the media that all information and developments will be released via official statements and press conferences as soon as possible and when appropriate. Our current efforts are focused upon on finding the aircraft as soon as possible.

Thank You

GENERAL TAN SRI DATO’SRI RODZALI BIN DAUD RMAF
Chief of Royal Malaysian Air Force

Released On:

11 March 14
Kuala Lumpur

TL;DR: The military NEVER said they spotted the plane over by the Strait of Malacca

[bballguy]

Uhhh... there is plenty of evidence for the existence of ghosts. I am totally willing to fund a road trip to a haunted location and setup an investigation to scare the shit out of a few staunch skeptic Revsceners this summer. :)

y34h 0k4y br0

[rsx]

Supposedly villagers heard an explosion

Villagers heard explosion, fishermen net life raft | Free Malaysia Today (http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/03/12/villagers-heard-explosion-fishermen-net-life-raft/)

Also fishermen found a life raft with the words "boarding" upon trying to retrieve it, the MMA lost the raft and it sank.

[nah]

Maybe I need to post this again in bold and red for those that's having trouble following up with the factual events, or just failing to read.



TL;DR: The military NEVER said they spotted the plane over by the Strait of Malacca

Ever heard of this term "backpeddling" before?

Of course he's going to deny saying that as the countries that have helped are now pissed off at them for not divulging the information earlier.

China, Vietnam fume over slow reverts, wrong readings | FMT Borneo Plus (http://www.fmtborneoplus.com/category/opinion/2014/03/12/china-vietnam-fume-over-slow-reverts-wrong-readings/)

[Brad Fuel]

I'm sure China and Vietnam militaries get their information direct from Malaysia military, not from news articles. Who knows how their conversations really went down

[Harvey Specter]

Wonder if the plane was a "ghost plane" were everyone on board was dead and basically crashed when the fuel ran out.

[RRxtar]

You may remember a little incident that made the news on Sept. 11, 2001...
:suspicious:


2 of my friends have had their kids in the pilots seat during flight within the last year. These were Canadian domestic flights, but it still happens

I commented on one of the pics of a 3 year old on fb "terrorist" and got a huge PM from the parents and got unfriended lol
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[Raid3n]

Wonder if the plane was a "ghost plane" were everyone on board was dead and basically crashed when the fuel ran out.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJ0NdiM7PKfmz6OaRFLqzwELTIVQVMZ g_ZQtz9Cyi85FM77HJUqQ

[Drow]

5 bux that the passengers on the plane are now in a "Lost" scenario

[thumper]

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJ0NdiM7PKfmz6OaRFLqzwELTIVQVMZ g_ZQtz9Cyi85FM77HJUqQ

i think he's referring to this: Helios Airways Flight 522 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Gazorcoop]

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[underscore]

Maybe I need to post this again in bold and red for those that's having trouble following up with the factual events, or just failing to read.

You're talking abut people not reading, yet the first words in that quote are

Allegedly released by RMAF 11 Mar:

:facepalm:

2 of my friends have had their kids in the pilots seat during flight within the last year. These were Canadian domestic flights, but it still happens

I could see it happening in other countries as well, not everywhere is as crazy about airport and airplane security as the US. In the statements about the girls being let into the cockpit, it doesn't state that it was illegal or against flight regs to do so, only that it was against company policy.

[Gumby]

i think he's referring to this: Helios Airways Flight 522 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522)
Wow, so many things went wrong on that flight... :failed:

[4444]

Wow, so many things went wrong on that flight... :failed:

human error - 50% of accidents are caused by us squishy, stupid parts of the planes

[supremematt85]

Another possible scenario is that China, using their newest biological weapon, the Beijing Smog, inadvertently sent some of its weaponized smog to south of Thailand, where, during night time, the plane was traveling on auto pilot.

The auto pilot, as it is American made, realized the dangers and military might of the Chinese when it encountered the smog, it suddenly turned tail and turned off its radio as to remain stealthy and not be seen by Chinese communist communications, unfortunately it was already tagged by a chinese frigate who were dumping dead chinese bodies off the coast of thailand (which someday will become part of China as well because chinese heritage was dumped here). When the Russian made chinese radar realized the American plane has turned tail and was leaving its missile range, the chinese frigate fired Russian made Ship to Airplane Missiles and took down the clearly inferior made American plane. The pilot was talking actively to the co-pilot about the co-pilot's wife, and how he teared her on the weekend to notice the RWR blinking, signalling it's time to release the chinese made Chaff and activate the CIWS.

Meanwhile, Malaysia, noticing that their human trafficking scheme of stealing passports and giving it to other people is in peril, erased some data about the flight so it might give them some time to re align their schemes.
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[gilly]

^ wtf

[lowside67]

2 of my friends have had their kids in the pilots seat during flight within the last year. These were Canadian domestic flights, but it still happens
I really find this hard to believe. The doors to cockpits on commercial flights within North America are closed, locked, and alarmed. Private flights, sure, all bets are off, but I have been on 46 flights in the last two years, most of which were up front and with a good view of the cockpit door, and I have NEVER so much as even seen the door opened for a split second while in flight.

There was one flight which was an international flight on a 747-400 and what they did was when the pilot had to come out to use the bathroom, they had a locking metal gate that closed off the hallway to the rest of the plane which allowed the pilot to get from the opened cockpit door to the bathroom without anybody else having access to that area, if that makes sense.

Mark

[Tegra_Devil]

domestic flights don't always have their doors shut. Ive been on a few domestic flights where the pilots had the doors open the whole flight and I could see all their lights blinking and such

[lowside67]

Hmm, I only fly on AC and only on the big wide body planes, is it possible that this is Westjet or another carrier? I am kinda curious now as I'd love to see that but I've never seen it in real life...

[underscore]

2 of my friends have had their kids in the pilots seat during flight within the last year. These were Canadian domestic flights, but it still happens

Wait, was the plane in the air, or still on the ground? I see the doors open before takeoff and after landing, but this is on little planes, not big jets. I'm guessing the rules for a Dash 8 and a 747 are gonna be different? Since I doubt the smaller planes have that gate should the pilot need the bathroom.

[adambomb]

Don't know if this has been posted or not. But an oil rig worker sent the following email...

TORONTO – An oil rig worker claimed he saw the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 crash while working off the south coast of Vietnam, according to a report.

Bob Woodruff, an ABC News correspondent, obtained a copy of an email the man said he sent to his employer stating he witnessed the crash.

http://vipmedia.globalnews.ca/2014/03/letter.jpg


Oil rig worker saw Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 go down: report - National | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1202910/oil-rig-worker-saw-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-go-down-report/)

[jmvdesign]

I really find this hard to believe. The doors to cockpits on commercial flights within North America are closed, locked, and alarmed. Private flights, sure, all bets are off, but I have been on 46 flights in the last two years, most of which were up front and with a good view of the cockpit door, and I have NEVER so much as even seen the door opened for a split second while in flight.

There was one flight which was an international flight on a 747-400 and what they did was when the pilot had to come out to use the bathroom, they had a locking metal gate that closed off the hallway to the rest of the plane which allowed the pilot to get from the opened cockpit door to the bathroom without anybody else having access to that area, if that makes sense.

Mark

I've seen a flight attendant use the trolley cart to block the entrance of the galley when they let the pilot out to use the bathroom. She would also stand behind the trolley to enforce it as a precautionary measure.

[westopher]

domestic flights don't always have their doors shut. Ive been on a few domestic flights where the pilots had the doors open the whole flight and I could see all their lights blinking and such
On 100+ flights in my life I have NEVER seen that happen. Not even on the shitty little prop planes that Air Canada uses for short hop flights.

[twitchyzero]

Another possible scenario is that China, using their newest biological weapon, the Beijing Smog, inadvertently sent some of its weaponized smog to south of Thailand, where, during night time, the plane was traveling on auto pilot.

The auto pilot, as it is American made, realized the dangers and military might of the Chinese when it encountered the smog, it suddenly turned tail and turned off its radio as to remain stealthy and not be seen by Chinese communist communications, unfortunately it was already tagged by a chinese frigate who were dumping dead chinese bodies off the coast of thailand (which someday will become part of China as well because chinese heritage was dumped here). When the Russian made chinese radar realized the American plane has turned tail and was leaving its missile range, the chinese frigate fired Russian made Ship to Airplane Missiles and took down the clearly inferior made American plane. The pilot was talking actively to the co-pilot about the co-pilot's wife, and how he teared her on the weekend to notice the RWR blinking, signalling it's time to release the chinese made Chaff and activate the CIWS.

Meanwhile, Malaysia, noticing that their human trafficking scheme of stealing passports and giving it to other people is in peril, erased some data about the flight so it might give them some time to re align their schemes.
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logged into RS just to thank this post :thumbs:

[m3thods]

Another possible scenario is that China, using their newest biological weapon, the Beijing Smog, inadvertently sent some of its weaponized smog to south of Thailand, where, during night time, the plane was traveling on auto pilot.

The auto pilot, as it is American made, realized the dangers and military might of the Chinese when it encountered the smog, it suddenly turned tail and turned off its radio as to remain stealthy and not be seen by Chinese communist communications, unfortunately it was already tagged by a chinese frigate who were dumping dead chinese bodies off the coast of thailand (which someday will become part of China as well because chinese heritage was dumped here). When the Russian made chinese radar realized the American plane has turned tail and was leaving its missile range, the chinese frigate fired Russian made Ship to Airplane Missiles and took down the clearly inferior made American plane. The pilot was talking actively to the co-pilot about the co-pilot's wife, and how he teared her on the weekend to notice the RWR blinking, signalling it's time to release the chinese made Chaff and activate the CIWS.

Meanwhile, Malaysia, noticing that their human trafficking scheme of stealing passports and giving it to other people is in peril, erased some data about the flight so it might give them some time to re align their schemes.
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This is Best Adapted Screenplay Oscar material right here. Amazing.

[EmperorIS]

Another possible scenario is that China, using their newest biological weapon, the Beijing Smog, inadvertently sent some of its weaponized smog to south of Thailand, where, during night time, the plane was traveling on auto pilot.

The auto pilot, as it is American made, realized the dangers and military might of the Chinese when it encountered the smog, it suddenly turned tail and turned off its radio as to remain stealthy and not be seen by Chinese communist communications, unfortunately it was already tagged by a chinese frigate who were dumping dead chinese bodies off the coast of thailand (which someday will become part of China as well because chinese heritage was dumped here). When the Russian made chinese radar realized the American plane has turned tail and was leaving its missile range, the chinese frigate fired Russian made Ship to Airplane Missiles and took down the clearly inferior made American plane. The pilot was talking actively to the co-pilot about the co-pilot's wife, and how he teared her on the weekend to notice the RWR blinking, signalling it's time to release the chinese made Chaff and activate the CIWS.

Meanwhile, Malaysia, noticing that their human trafficking scheme of stealing passports and giving it to other people is in peril, erased some data about the flight so it might give them some time to re align their schemes.
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Where are the Aliens?

[Manic!]

Breaking news on CNN. China releases a satalite image of 3 large floating objects. The objects are near the oil rig were a worker says he saw a fire ball.

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/5320c8636bb3f7d844d16440-324-473/china%20satellite%20images.jpg

[hud 91gt]

You will not find any major carrier with an open cockpit door in Canada. If your flying on a Beech 1900, on Central Mountain Air, or Georgian into Cranbrook or Red Deer. You might be right. because there is no door. The only time the door is open is when they have to use the can, they are getting fed or just need to chat up the F/A's.

Any 705 (Airline - 19 seats and up if I remember the regs correctly) operator, whether a Dash 8 or an A380 must have the door closed and locked from the second the main cabin door is closed, and technically until it is opened (Although many times it gets opened when parked, and the cabin door is still closed).

The only time I could see this happening, is if the pilots own kid is on the flight, or a really close friends child. Completely illegal, but I could see it happening if the pilot wanted to put his job on the line to make a kid smile. Idiot. lol

[shawnly1000]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BijcYCeIgAAnh1l.jpg

[underscore]

On 100+ flights in my life I have NEVER seen that happen. Not even on the shitty little prop planes that Air Canada uses for short hop flights.

But how often would you have looked up there? Most of the time I just sit there watching the screens in the seats or doing my own thing.

[Hondaracer]

Flying from YVR to cabo with sunwing I was sitting first row isle seat

There was at least two times the cockpit door opened where if I had just jumped up and took three steps I could have been in the cockpit with little resistance

I found it somewhat disconcerning lol
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[underscore]

Don't know if this has been posted or not. But an oil rig worker sent the following email...




Oil rig worker saw Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 go down: report - National | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/1202910/oil-rig-worker-saw-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-go-down-report/)

For starters he sent it from a hotmail account to a gmail account (good job blurring out his info, stupid media), how many companies running oil rigs use gmail? He goes into all kinds of detail but then doesn't disclose an exact time, he just says "the timing is right". As much as it would be helpful if this is true, it wouldn't surprise me if this is fake.

[EmperorIS]

For starters he sent it from a hotmail account to a gmail account (good job blurring out his info, stupid media), how many companies running oil rigs use gmail? He goes into all kinds of detail but then doesn't disclose an exact time, he just says "the timing is right". As much as it would be helpful if this is true, it wouldn't surprise me if this is fake.

@BobWoodruff
.@ABC spoke with Richard Beaton w/Japanese Idemitsu Oil & Gas Co who hired Songa Mercur to drill & confirms email of Michael Mckay is real

[hud 91gt]

Flying from YVR to cabo with sunwing I was sitting first row isle seat

There was at least two times the cockpit door opened where if I had just jumped up and took three steps I could have been in the cockpit with little resistance

I found it somewhat disconcerning lol
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I believe that 100%. But as per the rules, the doors stay shut while not in use.

[lowside67]

I believe that 100%. But as per the rules, the doors stay shut while not in use.
I could see it on a charter flight maybe... while they are subject to the same rules, I find that they are not nearly as focused on them as the mainline carriers are.

[Rich Sandor]

Federal regulations are usually less stringent than company policy. Company policies also vary from carrier to carrier, and even vary between types of ac within the same carrier. There are various reasons for this..
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[inkcognito]

Another possible scenario is that China, using their newest biological weapon, the Beijing Smog, inadvertently sent some of its weaponized smog to south of Thailand, where, during night time, the plane was traveling on auto pilot.

The auto pilot, as it is American made, realized the dangers and military might of the Chinese when it encountered the smog, it suddenly turned tail and turned off its radio as to remain stealthy and not be seen by Chinese communist communications, unfortunately it was already tagged by a chinese frigate who were dumping dead chinese bodies off the coast of thailand (which someday will become part of China as well because chinese heritage was dumped here). When the Russian made chinese radar realized the American plane has turned tail and was leaving its missile range, the chinese frigate fired Russian made Ship to Airplane Missiles and took down the clearly inferior made American plane. The pilot was talking actively to the co-pilot about the co-pilot's wife, and how he teared her on the weekend to notice the RWR blinking, signalling it's time to release the chinese made Chaff and activate the CIWS.

Meanwhile, Malaysia, noticing that their human trafficking scheme of stealing passports and giving it to other people is in peril, erased some data about the flight so it might give them some time to re align their schemes.
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What the fuck did I just read...:suspicious:

[westopher]

But how often would you have looked up there? Most of the time I just sit there watching the screens in the seats or doing my own thing.
In an entire flight? Maybe a few hundred times. My eyes wander A LOT when I'm on a plane and bored as fuck.

[multicartual]

In an entire flight? Maybe a few hundred times. My eyes wander A LOT when I'm on a plane and bored as fuck.


I take so much ativan whenever I fly but I still can never sleep... just sort of zombified!

[underscore]

In an entire flight? Maybe a few hundred times. My eyes wander A LOT when I'm on a plane and bored as fuck.

You look up at the cockpit door that often? Interesting, I'm guessing you only pick aisle seats near the front then.

[v_tec]

You look up at the cockpit door that often? Interesting, I'm guessing you only pick aisle seats near the front then.

Obviously you never been in first class or upper deck business :troll:

[underscore]

Obviously you never been in first class or upper deck business :troll:

No :okay:, but most of my flights have been on planes too small for those classes. I get the WestJet Plus seats for all my work flights tho?

[westopher]

I only sit aisle. Gives me room to scan for open seats if I'm stuck beside someone who is either fat or stinky.

[EmperorIS]

^^
air flow is better too

[rsx]

^ and that leg space can't beat stretching your one leg out. I'm an aisle guy all the way.

[underscore]

That's four for aisle, when I get a choice. I also like the headroom when you stand up.

[vafanculo]

I go for emergency exit rows...dat extra leg room
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[rsx]

dat responsibility do.

[CP.AR]

Obviously you never been in first class or upper deck business :troll:
I sit there most flights :whistle:

[Infiniti]

I sit there most flights :whistle:

Obviously you never been in first class or upper deck business :troll:

http://images.tek-city.co.uk/ebay/other/n7407.jpg

[RRxtar]

Ill only sit window when Im flying into somewhere that I want to see. Vegas the first time was definitely window. Aside from that, aisle all the way because even if you have a fatty beside you, at least the other side is open, not the wall, so you're not so boxed in

[EmperorIS]

UPDATE [12.07pm]: Vietnam says the area where Chinese satellite images show what might be debris from MH370 has been thoroughly searched in recent days. Read it here.

UPDATE [11.17am]: A senior Chinese aviation official said authorities could not confirm any link between the floating objects captured on Chinese satellite images to MH370. Details here.

UPDATE [9.52am]: Malaysia is sending a search aircraft to the possible crash site identified by a Chinese government website, says an air force official. Full story here.


I'm just going to say its aliens and move on.

[RRxtar]

Malaysian government has called in a Shaman to help locate the plane

http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_11/246141/140312-plane-ritual-01_6452e41693b4376f480807f0b683a975.nbcnews-ux-640-440.jpg

[Harvey Specter]

I could see it on a charter flight maybe... while they are subject to the same rules, I find that they are not nearly as focused on them as the mainline carriers are.

Oops, just relized right now I failed you. I was trying to quote you from my phone before it died out.

I was going to say, all airplanes have the same rules. The doors to the cockpit are suppose to be shut during the flight and you'll also notice that the doors have been beefed up and I think on US carriers they're bulletproof so once locked it's very hard to just kick the door open and get into the cockpit.

[Infiniti]

Wall Street Journal is now reporting that Rolls Royce engine monitoring data (which is transmitted live from the aircraft) reveals the aircraft was airborne for 5 hours...

http://tinyurl.com/m7jnd8x

[Harvey Specter]

And the term "ghost plane" isn't conspiracy nonsense.

Like posted below my original post, it basically means the flight crew and passengers were incapacitated possibly by a sudden decrease in cabin pressurization which would have resulted in rapid decrease in oxygen or temperature drop essentially freezing everyone on board within seconds. This would result in a ghost plane because everyone was dead and the aircraft was flying solo on whatever course and settings in the AP until the fuel ran out and the plane crashed.

[Ball.J.Inder]

Ill only sit window when Im flying into somewhere that I want to see. Vegas the first time was definitely window. Aside from that, aisle all the way because even if you have a fatty beside you, at least the other side is open, not the wall, so you're not so boxed in

I go for emergency exit rows...dat extra leg room
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That's four for aisle, when I get a choice. I also like the headroom when you stand up.

^ and that leg space can't beat stretching your one leg out. I'm an aisle guy all the way.

^^
air flow is better too

I only sit aisle. Gives me room to scan for open seats if I'm stuck beside someone who is either fat or stinky.

I like sitting beside the window. I usually try and take a nap but that never works, so I listen to music for a bit. It's also good when they have good movies to choose from. The best part about flying is getting drunk before your destination.

[jepho]

And the term "ghost plane" isn't conspiracy nonsense.

Like posted below my original post, it basically means the flight crew and passengers were incapacitated possibly by a sudden decrease in cabin pressurization which would have resulted in rapid decrease in oxygen or temperature drop essentially freezing everyone on board within seconds. This would result in a ghost plane because everyone was dead and the aircraft was flying solo on whatever course and settings in the AP until the fuel ran out and the plane crashed.

Very plausible, though I believe they said it was supposed to be a 6ish hr flight and the plane had enough fuel for 7.5 hrs. So I dot think it would have run out of fuel...

Wall Street Journal is now reporting that Rolls Royce engine monitoring data (which is transmitted live from the aircraft) reveals the aircraft was airborne for 5 hours...

http://tinyurl.com/m7jnd8x
that info from Rolls Royce engine monitoring data sure is crazy

I found this statement from the link particularly interesting..
"At one briefing, according to this person, officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted "with the intention of using it later for another purpose.""

[underscore]

"Ghost plane" sounds like a phantom plane or some kinda horror movie thing, I think people got confused by the term (I know I did).

Very plausible, though I believe they said it was supposed to be a 6ish hr flight and the plane had enough fuel for 7.5 hrs. So I dot think it would have run out of fuel...
But if it was in fact airborne for 5 hrs the scenario you stated is what I would assume.

It had the fuel, but what would the autopilot be doing? IIRC there are scenarios that kick the plane back into manual control as well, but if the plane was up for ~5hrs as alleged wouldn't that be roughly the amount of the flight that the plane would be in AP for? After that, what does the system do? Any of our helpful pilots care to chime in?

[StylinRed]

Obviously you never been in first class or upper deck business :troll:

I sit there most flights :whistle:

i prefer the upper deck business and if im ever in sight of the flight deck the captain/co-captain gives me the :suspicious: look when im watching them speak on the intercom :lol

with security concerns you'd think they'd be able to do that with the door closed

[rsx]

flew for around 4 more hours? gaddamn..what's going?

[jaguar604]

This is just get more and more mysterious. I hope they find out what happened soon so that the families can get closure. I can't imagine what they are going through right now.

[Manic!]

So if the engines are sending back data ever 30 minutes why can't they also send GPS coordinates well.

[ilovebacon]

If the people that were on the plane still alive, i hope they know how to make a sos signal out of fire

[Mr.Money]

I like sitting beside the window. I usually try and take a nap but that never works, so I listen to music for a bit. It's also good when they have good movies to choose from. The best part about flying is getting drunk before your destination.



NO....i pissed myself drunk & passed out on the way to tokyo

[bballguy]

NO....i pissed myself drunk & passed out on the way to tokyo

ummm......

[Gnieob]

"Ghost plane" sounds like a phantom plane or some kinda horror movie thing, I think people got confused by the term (I know I did).



It had the fuel, but what would the autopilot be doing? IIRC there are scenarios that kick the plane back into manual control as well, but if the plane was up for ~5hrs as alleged wouldn't that be roughly the amount of the flight that the plane would be in AP for? After that, what does the system do? Any of our helpful pilots care to chime in?

note: I don't know if these all apply to the 777, I'm not rated on that aircraft, but on a similar type. Also, I speak with experience from my own experience, each airline has different operating procedures.

Most Medium/Long Haul flights will take off without the arrival procedures (ILS and STAR if you want terms) programmed into the computer, as doing so is practically useless as conditions at the destination airport can change in 6-12 hours. That being said, if the aircraft arrives at a point of which is has nothing to follow anymore, it will simply maintain the heading and altitude or hold (Goes into HDG HOLD and ALT HOLD as opposed to LNAV and VNAV if you're keen), and keep going until someone does something to it - though not too sure, as it's not something I've personally done before; but it will definitely not "GIVE UP" so to say.

In Boeing aircraft (at least on mine), the Autopilot will not be "kicked out" unless the following occurs:
- You turn it off (duh)
- Autothrottle will turn off with an engine failure in certain engines (RR engines do this)
- Kicking of the rudder pedals
- Flight Director kicks out at Low airspeed (approaching stall)
- Over speed
- AP Failures (but there's 3? I think, on a 777)
and some others, but depressurization - no matter how quick or how slow, will not cause it to disengage

However, no matter what you do with the autopilot on, once it enters an area of radar coverage it will be picked up, and assuming that nobody has touched the transponder ident code (commonly referred to as squack code), it will remain as MH370 on the radar scope.

Fun note: everything on airplanes nowadays are fail "safe". meaning if a component fails for whatever reason it will fail in the position that favours the situation rather than make it worse.

[underscore]

^ thanks, that's kind of what I figured. It gives some possibility to the "depressurization knocking out the pilots" theories, but if it did then somebody would have picked it up on radar. I've been doing some reading on a pilots forum as well, and apparently the gap in between the contact with ground crews would be very small, so small that if it was highjacked the person(s) doing it were either really, really goo, or the pilots had to have been involved to know when thy were in that gap. edit: According to a National Post article, the plane disappeared only 3 minutes after Malaysian ATC told the pilots they were being handed over to the Vietnamese ATC.

Also after reading that forum, I learned that it's possible someone could have disabled the systems without accessing the cockpit, if they were familiar with that airplane and able to get into the circuit breaker maintenance panels. Of course I have no idea where those are in this type of plane and how easily someone could get to them, but supposedly this happened on SilkAir Flight 185 which crashed in 1997 (only the data recorder were shut off though).

Wall Street Journal is now reporting that Rolls Royce engine monitoring data (which is transmitted live from the aircraft) reveals the aircraft was airborne for 5 hours...

http://tinyurl.com/m7jnd8x

I just read the whole thing, from the sounds of it they've gone to the home of at least one of the pilots, the engines may have been running for another 4 hours (or possibly up to 2200nm), and they're now downplaying the whole "picked up by military radar" bit. As well they're considering the possibility that someone stole the plane and is basically hiding it somewhere for future use.

And to think, some of you were brushing off the "landed at a secret airstrip" theory.

[Xu.Vi]

MalaysiaAirlines executive tells skynews that Rolls Royces engines stopped transmitting their routine 'health updates' when contact lost.
Though this doesn't mean it couldn't have continued.
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[StylinRed]

Malaysia Press Conference on currently says the news of RR engine/flight information is inaccurate according to Malaysia and the Rolls Royce techs assisting with the search in Malaysia

[4444]

jesus christ! with all this what seems to be legit news and then denial, we almost need a list of what is 'officially confirmed' and what is just rubbish.

now there's talk about those chinese images from yesterday being nothing... the word that sums up this whole situation is definitely 'unprecedented' - but i would also like to say, i think someone somewhere is fucking up big time, either something related to the plane or with the search effort - it just seems so poorly organized. well, given it's unprecedented, i'll allow some leeway, but still, how have we not found the craft yet?

[underscore]

^ the problem is the officials seem to be BSing everything, they won't confirm or deny things at all.

Allegedly the pilot had a very elaborate flight simulator set up in his house, how elaborate I don't know but I'd be curious to know what kind of flying he had been doing with it.

[CP.AR]

I really don't know what to believe now

[Harvey Specter]

There's also rumors started from a Australian media outlet that the younger co-pilot had invited women into the cockpit a couple years ago during a flight from Phuket but so far there's been to one to collaborate the story or any incident report.

And sounds like the pilot had a home cockpit, there pretty common amongst the flight simming community. Good examples over at avsim.

I agree, don't know what to believe anymore. There's so many theories floating around, the RR engine data one was struck down by Malaysian officials but supposedly US officials say it's valid info and they're looking into it. There's also radar experts that flew in with US officials and they're going to use radar plots to see if they can track the plane.

And personally I don't trust the Malaysian officials, something seems to be off about this entire crash. Feels like someone is covering up information, whether it be a hijacking or shoddy maintenance on the plane that went down there's information that isn't been forthcoming. Just remember that Malaysia airlines is owned by the Malaysian government and the airline has been going through a financial crisis.

[hud 91gt]

The RR info is interesting. I've heard airlines do have this information, but I really have no information about it.

The home cockpit thing I find a little strange. The guy has enough experience to be a captain of a 777. No small feat. Yet he has one at home to practice on as well? Either, incompetent, or just plane crazy. Ok, this comment was probably not needed.

Wait and see, but there is no doubt, this shit is getting crazy.

[v_tec]

The home cockpit thing I find a little strange. The guy has enough experience to be a captain of a 777. No small feat. Yet he has one at home to practice on as well? Either, incompetent, or just plane crazy. Ok, this comment was probably not needed.

Incompetent is probably one of the last word you would use to describe this particular pilot. Have some respect.

[Hehe]

The RR info is interesting. I've heard airlines do have this information, but I really have no information about it.

The home cockpit thing I find a little strange. The guy has enough experience to be a captain of a 777. No small feat. Yet he has one at home to practice on as well? Either, incompetent, or just plane crazy. Ok, this comment was probably not needed.

Wait and see, but there is no doubt, this shit is getting crazy.

I don't see why it has anything to do...

The BF of a friend is a pilot for our air force... and he has a very crazy flight sim setup at home, in which he always jokes about he prepares the job he would do once retiring from the air force (becoming a commercial pilot)

[StylinRed]

Allegedly the pilot had a very elaborate flight simulator set up in his house, how elaborate I don't know but I'd be curious to know what kind of flying he had been doing with it.

they showed it on tv the other day it looked like it was just a joystick and his computer monitor similar to this

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/270967_f260.jpg

nothing fancy from the looks of it


The home cockpit thing I find a little strange. The guy has enough experience to be a captain of a 777. No small feat. Yet he has one at home to practice on as well? Either, incompetent, or just plane crazy. Ok, this comment was probably not needed.

I know several pilots of varying skill (1 airliner pilot, 1 military jet fighter, 3 small aircraft pilots) almost all of them have a simulator at home and all of them play with remote controlled planes/choppers
I think they're just passionate about flying is all and its seemingly a trait they all have

[v_tec]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BinILccIYAA7THY.jpg

[Hurricane]

they showed it on tv the other day it looked like it was just a joystick and his computer monitor similar to this

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/270967_f260.jpg

nothing fancy from the looks of it

While I don't think it necessarily tells us much...

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2014/03/12/1226852/557155-1bd22bd4-a983-11e3-9a89-1de6a43f024e.jpg

I would hardly call that a plain old joystick and computer monitor.

[4444]

While I don't think it necessarily tells us much...

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2014/03/12/1226852/557155-1bd22bd4-a983-11e3-9a89-1de6a43f024e.jpg

I would hardly call that a plain old joystick and computer monitor.

ur right, it's a plain old joystick and 5 monitors!

[Skittlez160]

The best part about flying is getting drunk before your destination.

Gotta love free alcohol during overseas flights. :thumbsup:

[m3thods]

I go for emergency exit rows...dat extra leg room
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Thought that once. Figured "score!" when I was asked to move before a flight back to Van from Hawaii. But then found out on the plane that the seats don't recline. No more emergency row for me.

Malaysian government has called in a Shaman to help locate the plane

http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_11/246141/140312-plane-ritual-01_6452e41693b4376f480807f0b683a975.nbcnews-ux-640-440.jpg

It's amazing how this story is unfolding. The bottom line fact that "planes just don't disappear is just mind-bottling".

And I quoted that picture because, just for a short second, I was thinking "man, that Asian achieved a high-top fade..." :thumbs:

[multicartual]

http://i.imgur.com/dDqOA26.jpg


Not sure if this has been posted yet, I thought it was really touching

[shawnly1000]

White House says recent information has opened possibility of a new search area in Indian Ocean for missing airliner.

[Gnieob]

many pilots, no matter commercial, military or recreational do what they do because they love all that is aviation. I don't see how having a flight sim setup at home is indicative of anything other than the fact that the person is an aviation nut. Hell I have one at home.

to add to the pictures... here's one a bit more local that I found on Facebook

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/q85/s720x720/1912193_10152110802889760_1020324057_o.jpg

Let's just hope the EUS at UBC has a bit of heart in their drunken minds to let this sit for a while

[Soundy]

So if the engines are sending back data ever 30 minutes why can't they also send GPS coordinates well.

Because the engines don't have GPS receivers?

[Soundy]

jesus christ! with all this what seems to be legit news and then denial, we almost need a list of what is 'officially confirmed' and what is just rubbish.
I think the only thing that's "officially confirmed" so far is that the plane is missing and nobody has the first fucking clue what happened to it.

The problem with issuing any sort of "official statement" is that the media (including social) will jump all over it and extrapolate all sorts of stories based on things they know nothing about, then when something changes that contradicts anything people think they already "know", it's played out as officials either being incompetent, or covering something up.

now there's talk about those chinese images from yesterday being nothing... the word that sums up this whole situation is definitely 'unprecedented' - but i would also like to say, i think someone somewhere is fucking up big time, either something related to the plane or with the search effort - it just seems so poorly organized. well, given it's unprecedented, i'll allow some leeway, but still, how have we not found the craft yet?

Consider their position: they're dealing with something that's never happened before in exactly this way - in decades of commercial air travel, millions if not billions of flights, and thousands of crashes, never has a plain simply disappeared without a trace this way.

But instead of letting experts and authorities just sit back and try to figure it all out, they have to fend off media, armchair (or office chair) quarterbacks, looky-loos of all sorts... and then they have to address all manner of speculation and rumours constantly being circulated as fact. Someone overhears something, tells his buddy, who tells his buddy who's a reporter, and next thing you know, something completely imagined is being splashed across the headlines.

The main ones fucking up, frankly, are the rubberneckers who keep confusing things with sketchy information.

[EmperorIS]

#MH370: KLIA 'bomoh' stunt spawns parodies (http://my.news.yahoo.com/-mh370--klia--bomoh--stunt-spawns-parodies-120112621.html)

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/X5kQKmor.wCdWs.Z3qOiqw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_MY/News/themalaysianinsider.com/bomoh-ibrahim_mat_zin-klia-SHAMAN-120314-TMI-AFIF.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bilau8aCcAAixxZ.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiitIi7CcAAWKTQ.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BimNHV1CUAA5rhA.jpg

[Manic!]

Because the engines don't have GPS receivers?

Well they do have equipment to measue altatude speed engine RPM and other things. One of the reasons they claim the plane does not sent GPS info via satilite is the cost. But if they are already sending out engine info why can't they sent out 12 numbers along with it.

[lowside67]

Well they do have equipment to measue altatude speed engine RPM and other things. One of the reasons they claim the plane does not sent GPS info via satilite is the cost. But if they are already sending out engine info why can't they sent out 12 numbers along with it.
I would expect it is not about the cost of the data, but rather the cost of implementing the GPS device. Keep in mind that development costs for aviation are HUNDREDS of times what it would normally cost due to the incredible testing and approval process required for FAA certification. You already have a device and a backup that transmits GPS data from the plane, there is no reason to duplicate this in the engine. The engine transmits information that isn't duplicated elsewhere - operating information - for the purposes of optimizing operations.

Mark

[dvst8]

Imagine this was some Marketing plan for a new season of LOST
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070303221756/lostpedia/images/1/16/Lost-season1.jpg

[Manic!]

I would expect it is not about the cost of the data, but rather the cost of implementing the GPS device. Keep in mind that development costs for aviation are HUNDREDS of times what it would normally cost due to the incredible testing and approval process required for FAA certification. You already have a device and a backup that transmits GPS data from the plane, there is no reason to duplicate this in the engine. The engine transmits information that isn't duplicated elsewhere - operating information - for the purposes of optimizing operations.

Mark

But nothing was transmitting GPS data from the plane. It somthing was we would know where the plane is. According to someone on CNN it would cost $2800 per flight to have real time data from the plane via satalite. I still have know idea why a piliot is able to turn off the transponder.

[lowside67]

But nothing was transmitting GPS data from the plane. It somthing was we would know where the plane is. I still have know idea why a piliot is able to turn off the transponder.
I realize this, but the plane is not designed to ever have that transmitter turned off. If that is not supposed to be able to be turned off, there is no reason to believe why the ones from the engine wouldn't also be able to be turned off.

It doesn't actually fix anything to just add more transmitters if they can be turned off, and if they are going to be added and not able to be turned off, why not skip adding them and just make the main transmitter unable to be disabled?

Either way it doesn't fix anything to simply add more transmitters...

Mark

[Manic!]

I realize this, but the plane is not designed to ever have that transmitter turned off. If that is not supposed to be able to be turned off, there is no reason to believe why the ones from the engine wouldn't also be able to be turned off.

It doesn't actually fix anything to just add more transmitters if they can be turned off, and if they are going to be added and not able to be turned off, why not skip adding them and just make the main transmitter unable to be disabled?

Either way it doesn't fix anything to simply add more transmitters...

Mark

The transponders can be turned off by the piliot by hitting a switch on the cockpit. CNN just showed the switch. The system that sends engine data can't be turned off by the piliot.

[multicartual]

I loved the first few seasons of Lost, it got pretty whacky later on though.

[underscore]

I would assume there are valid reasons why a pilot may need to turn off the transponder, otherwise they wouldn't go through the cost and effort to add that switch.

they showed it on tv the other day it looked like it was just a joystick and his computer monitor similar to this

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/270967_f260.jpg

nothing fancy from the looks of it

I know several pilots of varying skill (1 airliner pilot, 1 military jet fighter, 3 small aircraft pilots) almost all of them have a simulator at home and all of them play with remote controlled planes/choppers
I think they're just passionate about flying is all and its seemingly a trait they all have


Good point, to the average media person (especially if they're looking to add drama) they're gonna call that an "elaborate" setup. They would likely say the same about anyone with a Logitech wheel setup for Gran Turismo. And when you think about it, I'm pretty sure most of you would prefer to be flown by a pilot who is very passionate about flying.

[lowside67]

The transponders can be turned off by the piliot by hitting a switch on the cockpit. CNN just showed the switch. The system that sends engine data can't be turned off by the piliot.
Okay. So my point is that GPS data is considered to be essential to the safety of operating the plane to the point of considering adding it to the engines without the ability to turn it off, then it makes much more sense to just remove the switch to turn the regular GPS off rather than add a secondary GPS transmitter.

Another way to think about it is if there is some legitimate benefit to being able to turn off the GPS - privacy, whatever, that's fine. However, it's totally useless to have one GPS that can be turned off if there is a secondary one in the engines that can't be turned off. Does that make sense?

[underscore]

To get GPS data with the engine stats I think they would need to add a GPS system to the engines, since the engines and their system are built by RR and not Boeing. Even if they were able to do this, it wouldn't help in this case because from what I have read this airline is getting the bare minimum maintenance reporting (presumably as they are having financial issues, or perhaps they didn't see any added value) and it wouldn't have been sending any reports during flight.

[Manic!]

To get GPS data with the engine stats I think they would need to add a GPS system to the engines, since the engines and their system are built by RR and not Boeing. Even if they were able to do this, it wouldn't help in this case because from what I have read this airline is getting the bare minimum maintenance reporting (presumably as they are having financial issues, or perhaps they didn't see any added value) and it wouldn't have been sending any reports during flight.

The engines comunicate with the rest of the plane. How else do you think they get altatude and plane speed. Right now when a plane is over the ocean there is no way of tracking it. There should be.

[Harvey Specter]

Ha, I have the same controls for FSX and P3D.

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/270967_f260.jpg

[lowside67]

The engines comunicate with the rest of the plane. How else do you think they get altatude and plane speed. Right now when a plane is over the ocean there is no way of tracking it. There should be.
The engine has nothing to do with the plane measuring altitude or speed for the plane. And on the other hand, the plane does not pass this information to the engines either. The only information the engines transmit is basic operational information about whether they are running and some vital stats - nothing about the plane itself. (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304914904579434653903086282)

You are right that the engine does communicate with the plane, but it has nothing to do with altitude and speed.

Mark

[RRxtar]

Why the shit can I go buy a SPOT global GPS satallite transmitter for under a couple hundred bucks, but putting a GPS system in a commercial airliner costing 300 milliion dollars, is not in the budget?

[EmperorIS]

Why the shit can I go buy a SPOT global GPS satallite transmitter for under a couple hundred bucks, but putting a GPS system in a commercial airliner costing 300 milliion dollars, is not in the budget?

Hire someone to maintain it
Hire someone to implement it
Hire someone to monitor it
Hire someone to plan it
Hire someone to research it
Hire someone to program it to work with the plan
Hire someone to teach others how to use it

I'm sure the equipment is cheap, but as you can see the process is not.

[StylinRed]

according to cnn the us is saying the plane did fly for several hours and they're searching the indian ocean

differences between us/uk media

cnn is saying its certain the plane tunred back based on the radar blip even though the blip is not identified and the malaysian investigation is a clusterfuck

bbc is saying the radar blip doesn't identify the plane as MH370 but simply an unidentified object and no one really knows whats going on as this is unprecedented and malaysia cant be blamed really

overview of 6 theories
6 theories on what happened to Malaysia Flight 370 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/13/theories-malaysian-plane/6378025/)

[EmperorIS]

It almost sounds like they are all just using this as an excuse to mobilize and map in to the pan-pacific area

[hud 91gt]

they showed it on tv the other day it looked like it was just a joystick and his computer monitor similar to this

http://s2.hubimg.com/u/270967_f260.jpg

nothing fancy from the looks of it



I know several pilots of varying skill (1 airliner pilot, 1 military jet fighter, 3 small aircraft pilots) almost all of them have a simulator at home and all of them play with remote controlled planes/choppers
I think they're just passionate about flying is all and its seemingly a trait they all have
I assumed a full flown 777 setup. I said it myself, the comment was uncalled for. If he had a 777 sim, I still find it weird. If it was a different type of aircraft I could understand. That would make him "plane crazy" like I described. I still agree, uncalled for, especially if the guy isn't around anymore :(
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[RRxtar]

Hire someone to maintain it
Hire someone to implement it
Hire someone to monitor it
Hire someone to plan it
Hire someone to research it
Hire someone to program it to work with the plan
Hire someone to teach others how to use it

I'm sure the equipment is cheap, but as you can see the process is not.
All of this can be had, in a low volume civilian-developed and funded package, for $99/year


You're telling me no one has developed a system to implement into commercial airliners that sends an automated GPS signal thru a satellite to a data center, that costs less than an unreasonable amount?

[underscore]

^ you don't fall out of the sky if the things fucks up something else though. Sort out how much it would cost to test this device with every other critical system to ensure it doesn't cause interference, and for what? How many planes have been lost and never found in the last 5 years?

Why the shit can I go buy a SPOT global GPS satallite transmitter for under a couple hundred bucks, but putting a GPS system in a commercial airliner costing 300 milliion dollars, is not in the budget?

I've gone over this before, it's not as simple as just tossing it in there. If it's done wrong, it makes the plane unsafe and kills more people. Even if they do it right, it just makes it easier to very, very rarely find a crashed plane where everyone is already dead anyways.

[RRxtar]

Im not saying take the SPOT system, and shove it in an airplane. But if they can privately develop that system, market it, and sell it to the public for a profit, why can't the aviation industry come up with something?

GPS tracking/transmitting is not some outrageous science fiction idea. It exists in seriously low cost, and wide spread varieties. Everywhere.

I mean, just think all of the magic that happens with shoving 400 people inside an aluminum tube, and shooting it thru the sky at over 500 miles an hour across the world. If we can figure out how to do this so affordably that a billion people do it every year, why cant we figure out how to track those tubes. Seriously, think about that. lol

edit:

you can even download a free app on your phone that will track and map a bunch of rednecks in 4x4s in the middle of the desert running the King of the Hammers race, in real time, for no reason other than so rednecks at home can follow along.

[jepho]

I would be interested in seeing the data from the engines if they did in fact run for another 4 hours after contact. If they are transmitting performance, speed, altitude etc like stated, one could go over the data to determine if the plane eventually decelerated...descended...etc in a controlled fashion. As if coming in for a landing... or falling out of the sky.

[underscore]

Im not saying take the SPOT system, and shove it in an airplane. But if they can privately develop that system, market it, and sell it to the public for a profit, why can't the aviation industry come up with something?

GPS tracking/transmitting is not some outrageous science fiction idea. It exists in seriously low cost, and wide spread varieties. Everywhere.

I mean, just think all of the magic that happens with shoving 400 people inside an aluminum tube, and shooting it thru the sky at over 500 miles an hour across the world. If we can figure out how to do this so affordably that a billion people do it every year, why cant we figure out how to track those tubes. Seriously, think about that. lol

They could, but again they would have to test it with everything else to make sure it doesn't screw something up (and even then there's still a chance it could mess up). Even if it does pass that test, what good is it? Okay so you know the position of every plane, how often is that required? One plane is missing, one single plane, and you want a multimillion dollar system to be developed and tested. Now even if they go ahead and do that, what benefit is it? You now know where the one destroyed plane is a little bit sooner, and everyone is still dead.

And even after all that, the system can still fail. If the transponder for the ATC can fail/be shut off, this could be too.

[Phozy]

Will be on a flight tomorrow :badpokerface:
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[JD¹³]

New reports are that communications systems were systematically shutdown very soon after takeoff, and that the engines were feeding data to satellites for four hours after the airliner went dark on radar. They're starting to search the Indian Ocean now, good luck.

My bet is a hijacking gone bad.

[Soundy]

GPS tracking/transmitting is not some outrageous science fiction idea. It exists in seriously low cost, and wide spread varieties. Everywhere.
This was addressed several pages back: http://www.revscene.net/forums/693369-malaysian-airline-loses-contact-passenger-airline-9.html#post8432695

you can even download a free app on your phone that will track and map a bunch of rednecks in 4x4s in the middle of the desert running the King of the Hammers race, in real time, for no reason other than so rednecks at home can follow along.
And how does it do that? Over 3G/4G. Which you don't have on a plane.

Next?

[Soundy]

My bet is a hijacking gone bad.
As opposed to a hijacking gone good? :suspicious:

[yray]

guess I'm a potential hijacker too

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/650_140394295566_7638476_n.jpg
:pokerface:

If you're pilot, you won't mind messing around on a sim for hours during your days off. I have a feeling that one of the pilots helped developed pmdg 777 or atleast was a beta tester.

[JD¹³]

As opposed to a hijacking gone good? :suspicious:
At least with most hijackings in the past there has been an ability to negotiate or the opportunity for passengers/authorities to attempt to retake control either in the air or on the ground. With the Ethiopian Airlines scenario at least some people survived the ditch. When noone survives it's a truly worst case scenario. No hijacking is obviously good; poor choice of words on my part.

[bballguy]

As opposed to a hijacking gone good? :suspicious:

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[LUUUUUUUU]

Malaysia Airliner Communications Shut Down Separately: US Officials Say - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-officials-malaysia-airline-crashed-indian-ocean/story?id=22894802)

[CP.AR]

turning off a transponder doesn't make it disappear from the radar scope... it just hides the name; think of it as taking your name tag off. People can still see you, they just don't know what your name is

[Soundy]

gIf you're pilot, you won't mind messing around on a sim for hours during your days off. I have a feeling that one of the pilots helped developed pmdg 777 or atleast was a beta tester.

Well here's the other problem with this whole theory that the pilot was using a 777 simulator because he planned to hijack the plane: dude is already a 777 pilot... presumably fully trained, lots of stick time on the real thing... so why would having the simulator make taking over the plane any easier?

:facepalm:

[Harvey Specter]

guess I'm a potential hijacker too

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/650_140394295566_7638476_n.jpg
:pokerface:

If you're pilot, you won't mind messing around on a sim for hours during your days off. I have a feeling that one of the pilots helped developed pmdg 777 or atleast was a beta tester.

What you flying? FSX? Are you on vatsim?

[yray]

@ soundy: because you can do things on the sim without raising suspicion ie: rehearsing his plans, messing around with the FMS. Even I think the pilot hijacking plans are BS, but its possible.

@Lord disick: This was like 7 years ago, fs9, didn't flew on vatsim back then since my comp was laggy as fuck. Lost my 150gb fs9 file when I got a new comp, don't fly as much nowadays.

[Soundy]

@ soundy: because you can do things on the sim without raising suspicion ie: rehearsing his plans, messing around with the FMS.
.

You mean flight sims let you turn off your transponder and radio? :pokerface:

[yray]

^yep, you can do TCAS test too :troll:

PMDG 777 RELEASE WEEK - First Impressions - YouTube
cockpit starts at 9:00

[Gnieob]

As already stated before in this thread by other people, technologies do already exist for automatic GPS position reporting. This is called ADS-B. (Automatic Dependent Surveillance Mode B) On flight tracking websites such as flightaware or even apps like Flight Radar 24, when an aircraft is out of radar range ADS-B positioning information is used. Though not all aircraft are required by law to have the equipment installed, more and more are being equipped as it is now a requirement to fly in Australia and in the US and (I believe) the EU within the next 5 years. ADS-B cannot be turned off as it is hardwired on. The only option for pilots is to turn it into "emergency mode".

The media is as usual, taking things out of context. Turning off an aircraft's transponder does NOT "turn off a radar". If this happened then why would the US, Chinese, EU, and Russian militaries spend billions in developing radar invisible aircraft? The transponder's sole job is to insert a tidbit of data into the radar's return signal, which includes Altimetry, and a code that we call a "SSR Code". The code's only use is to match it up to the radar controller's database and put a name next to the aircraft's "blip" on the radar screen. As stated above by Amuro Ray, transponder malfunctions are not uncommon, and when it fails or is turned off the aircraft still appears on radar, just without it's "name tag".

With the Rolls Royce Engine Data, I know the following gets transmitted, among other things.
Engine N1, N2, N3 RPM, Exhaust gas temperatures, oil temps and pressures, vibration readings, fuel flow - basically the same information pilots have access to in their aircraft, but with more detail.
I'm sure other things get transmitted but keep in mind these are SNAPSHOTS ONLY. They are not real time information, and nobody looks like them unless the airline wants to look at them.

"communications systems" cannot be shut down, only ignored or tuned out. Think of your home phone. Keep in mind too that in the cruise very little communications occur the aircraft and anyone else. Aircraft nowadays fly so accurately and on pre-planned routes (which are filed with all the aviation authorities they pass thru) that we don't make any other calls than knock on the door to basically tell them we are here, and when we expect to leave their airspace.
Note: in the event of a complete communications failure, most country's regulations call for the aircraft to fly it's pre-planned route.

[Rich Sandor]

The RR info is interesting. I've heard airlines do have this information, but I really have no information about it.

The home cockpit thing I find a little strange. The guy has enough experience to be a captain of a 777. No small feat. Yet he has one at home to practice on as well? Either, incompetent, or just plane crazy. Ok, this comment was probably not needed.

Wait and see, but there is no doubt, this shit is getting crazy.

Pretty much every pilot I know, including myself, practices at home on the simulator. Some are more hardcore into it than others. My experience is that those who are hardcore into it with the full cockpit are the most competent and technically knowledgeable of all pilots.

Fuck, my best friend sent me a pic of him flying an A320 over Peru on Xplanes on his laptop, while he was flying a REAL A320 in the same area!!

[Rich Sandor]

I realize this, but the plane is not designed to ever have that transmitter turned off. If that is not supposed to be able to be turned off, there is no reason to believe why the ones from the engine wouldn't also be able to be turned off.

It doesn't actually fix anything to just add more transmitters if they can be turned off, and if they are going to be added and not able to be turned off, why not skip adding them and just make the main transmitter unable to be disabled?

Either way it doesn't fix anything to simply add more transmitters...

Mark

Pretty much every system on an a/c can be somehow disabled via the circuit breakers. It has to be. If an electrical component starts drawing too much power it can start a fire. That's why you have circuit breakers or fuses. They need to be able to be replaced or reset in flight. That means they can also be pulled on purpose. I don't see any way around this.

[Gumby]

Fuck, my best friend sent me a pic of him flying an A320 over Peru on Xplanes on his laptop, while he was flying a REAL A320 in the same area!!
Ok that is pretty nuts! :lol

[Harvey Specter]

I really don't see a big deal about the pilot flying at home on a homemade flight simulator. He was flying since the early 80's so I doubt he would need a simulator to sharpen his skills, I'm sure he knew flight controls like the back of his hand. Now if he had been flying on a actual simulator outside of work than I guess you could question why he was doing that.

[hud 91gt]

Edited. Car forum, getting off topic! lol

[Soundy]

Did they say whether he had an actual 777 sim running on his home setup? Maybe he liked flying a Cessna sim to unwind?

[hud 91gt]

Some one said it was just one of those computer joystick things, so I can assume is was Microsoft Flight Sim, or whatever the latest gadgetry was. Could be any aircraft his heart desires.

[Selanne_200]

Pretty much every system on an a/c can be somehow disabled via the circuit breakers. It has to be. If an electrical component starts drawing too much power it can start a fire. That's why you have circuit breakers or fuses. They need to be able to be replaced or reset in flight. That means they can also be pulled on purpose. I don't see any way around this.

But they can easily get around this problem by having a dedicated circuit just for the transmitter therefore the circuit could never be over loaded, no?

[underscore]

^ In theory if everything functions properly then the max load required by the system will be below what the breaker is set for (ie if you have something that can pull up to 9A you may put in a 10A breaker). From what I gather all the major systems already get their own breaker, but if they have a wiring fault or happen to malfunction, they can end up tripping that breaker. There's no way to have a circuit that could "never be over loaded", under proper working circumstances no circuit should be able to be overloaded.

Well here's the other problem with this whole theory that the pilot was using a 777 simulator because he planned to hijack the plane: dude is already a 777 pilot... presumably fully trained, lots of stick time on the real thing... so why would having the simulator make taking over the plane any easier?

:facepalm:

Well if he was going to be attempting any funky flying or memorizing a route he wouldn't exactly be able to practice those maneuvers while working, so enter the sim. This is just a random example so I make no claims that any of this would be plausible, but if he was going to be doing something like say descending as fast as possible then levelling out as low as possible to avoid radar he could run through the sim to see how far he can push the plane.

[Rich Sandor]

But they can easily get around this problem by having a dedicated circuit just for the transmitter therefore the circuit could never be over loaded, no?

It's not about overloading the circuit by having too many electrics on. It's the fact that any single component can fail internally and overheat the circuit and start a fire.

Even if a GPS transmitter is on it's own circuit powered by an external windmill, if something goes wrong and the transmitter starts pulling too much power, it can overheat and start a fire. It still needs a fuse or circuit breaker. Unless this is hidden from the crew during flight, it will be able to be disabled.


I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the aircraft had a major onboard failure which precipitated into an onboard fire, which caused the aircraft to crash into the ocean. I believe the email that has been going around that the oil rig worker saw a plane go down. I can't imagine anyone writing an email like that for shits and giggles. Considering the way it is structured.. I believe it is the most simple, and most likely explanation.

[Harvey Specter]

Keeps getting stranger by the day...

MH370 deliberately flown to Andaman Islands, sources say

KUALA LUMPUR, March 14 — Military radar-tracking evidence suggests a Malaysia Airlines jetliner missing for nearly a week was deliberately flown across the Malay peninsula towards the Andaman Islands, sources familiar with the investigation told Reuters yesterday.

Two sources said an unidentified aircraft that investigators believe was Flight MH370 was following a route between navigational waypoints — indicating it was being flown by someone with aviation training — when it was last plotted on military radar off the country’s northwest coast.

The last plot on the military radar’s tracking suggested the plane was flying toward India’s Andaman Islands, a chain of isles between the Andaman Sea and the Bay of Bengal, they said.

Waypoints are geographic locations, worked out by calculating longitude and latitude, that help pilots navigate along established air corridors.

A third source familiar with the investigation said inquiries were focusing increasingly on the theory that someone who knew how to fly a plane deliberately diverted the flight, with 239 people on board, hundreds of miles off its intended course from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

“What we can say is we are looking at sabotage, with hijack still on the cards,” said that source, a senior Malaysian police official.

All three sources declined to be identified because they were not authorised to speak to the media and due to the sensitivity of the investigation.

Officials at Malaysia’s Ministry of Transport, the official point of contact for information on the investigation, did not return calls seeking comment.

Malaysian police have previously said they were investigating whether any passengers or crew had personal or psychological problems that might shed light on the mystery, along with the possibility of a hijacking, sabotage or mechanical failure.
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A woman wearing a mask against the haze walks past a board saying ‘Pray for MH370’ in front of the Kuala Lumpur City Centre (KLCC) March 14, 2014. — Reuters pic

The comments by the three sources are the first clear indication that foul play is the main focus of official suspicions in the Boeing 777’s disappearance.

As a result of the new evidence, the sources said, multinational search efforts were being stepped up in the Andaman Sea and also the Indian Ocean.

Last sighting

In one of the most baffling mysteries in modern aviation, no trace of the plane nor any sign of wreckage has been found despite a search by the navies and military aircraft of more than a dozen countries.

The last sighting of the aircraft on civilian radar screens came shortly before 1.30am Malaysian time last Saturday (1730 GMT Friday), less than an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur, as the plane flew northeast across the mouth of the Gulf of Thailand. That put the plane on Malaysia’s east coast.

Malaysia’s air force chief said on Wednesday an aircraft that could have been the missing plane was plotted on military radar at 2.15am, 200 miles (320 km) northwest of Penang Island off Malaysia’s west coast.

This position marks the limit of Malaysia’s military radar in that part of the country, a fourth source familiar with the investigation told Reuters.

When asked about the range of military radar at a news conference on Thursday, Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said it was “a sensitive issue” that he was not going to reveal.

“Even if it doesn’t extend beyond that, we can get the cooperation of the neighbouring countries,” he said.

The fact that the aircraft — if it was MH370 — had lost contact with air traffic control and was invisible to civilian radar suggested someone aboard had turned its communication systems off, the first two sources said.

They also gave new details on the direction in which the unidentified aircraft was heading — following aviation corridors identified on maps used by pilots as N571 and P628. These routes are taken by commercial planes flying from Southeast Asia to the Middle East or Europe and can be found in public documents issued by regional aviation authorities.

In a far more detailed description of the military radar plotting than has been publicly revealed, the first two sources said the last confirmed position of MH370 was at 35,000 feet about 90 miles (144 km) off the east coast of Malaysia, heading towards Vietnam, near a navigational waypoint called “Igari”. The time was 1.21am.

The military track suggests it then turned sharply westwards, heading towards a waypoint called “Vampi”, northeast of Indonesia’s Aceh province and a navigational point used for planes following route N571 to the Middle East.

From there, the plot indicates the plane flew towards a waypoint called “Gival”, south of the Thai island of Phuket, and was last plotted heading northwest towards another waypoint called “Igrex”, on route P628 that would take it over the Andaman Islands and which carriers use to fly towards Europe.

The time was then 2.15am That’s the same time given by the air force chief on Wednesday, who gave no information on that plane’s possible direction.



The sources said Malaysia was requesting raw radar data from neighbours Thailand, Indonesia and India, which has a naval base in the Andaman Islands. — Reuters
- See more at: MH370 deliberately flown to Andaman Islands, sources say | Malaysia | The Malay Mail Online (http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/mh370-deliberately-flown-to-andaman-islands-sources-say#sthash.JpdOpIor.dpuf)

[Manic!]

This was addressed several pages back: http://www.revscene.net/forums/693369-malaysian-airline-loses-contact-passenger-airline-9.html#post8432695


And how does it do that? Over 3G/4G. Which you don't have on a plane.

Next?

You have satellite communication on a plane and it's already used to send back engine data. A US army drone can fly anywhere in the world but is controlled by bass in the US. The drones send back all types of info in real time including video. An expert on CNN was talking about F-16 fighter planes, they have a floating black box. If the plane crashes the box floats to the top and starts sending out a radio signal. He said they need that on commercial planes.

[Manic!]

......

[Soundy]

It's not about overloading the circuit by having too many electrics on. It's the fact that any single component can fail internally and overheat the circuit and start a fire.
Another reason is protection of the wiring itself. When I was doing car audio, the one thing we always did with amp installs, where a separate power wire was run to the battery, was put a fuse right at the battery, despite there also being one on the amp... why? Because if the wire's insulation gets worn through or otherwise damaged anywhere along its route, and grounds to the body, the entire section from there to the battery will get very hot, very fast.

[underscore]

I'm intrigued about the Andaman islands report, but if there's one thing I've learned during this it's that everything has been semi-denied by somebody at some point. The only thing anybody agrees on is that the plane isn't where it's supposed to be, and that the guys with stolen passports likely weren't terrorists.

Even if a GPS transmitter is on it's own circuit powered by an external windmill, if something goes wrong and the transmitter starts pulling too much power, it can overheat and start a fire. It still needs a fuse or circuit breaker. Unless this is hidden from the crew during flight, it will be able to be disabled.

And if it's hidden, it also can't be reset by the crew. Generally speaking, the likelihood that the crew need to reset a breaker is far greater than the crew using it to disable something.

[Gucci Mane]

CNN is speculating that the plane was brought down by lithium batteries heating up and catching on fire... They seriously just need to stop already.
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[lowside67]

Do the 777s even have those problems? I thought that was limited to the new 787s. I agree CNN's idea of the day needs to die in a fire.

[m3thods]

Do the 777s even have those problems? I thought that was limited to the new 787s. I agree CNN's idea of the day needs to die in a fire.

This. I've never heard of a 777 having lithium battery issues. At least not to the extend that the 787s seem to be having them.

[hud 91gt]

787 has a huge amount of lithium ion batteries, creating massive amounts of heat. This is the issue we hear on the news lately. But I wouldn't doubt the triple has a couple stashed away in the electrical bay, it's possible for these to have issues too. I'd say it's more likely someones laptop of iPhone's lithium battery caught on fire though :p

[Gucci Mane]

Sorry should have specified. The batteries were in the cargo bay..

I only have 2 theory's about the matter. 1) the plane flew into a black hole and is gone forever. 2) it was flown to Sudan or something like in Lord of War and it was stripped right down. Lol
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[underscore]

It sounds like that report of it flying west and north is fairly solid, in which case I'd guess either the plane was landed on crashed on the way to being landed someplace other than its intended destination.

If it did land, it could have taken off again, and after a week it could be damn near anywhere by now.

[Harvey Specter]

CNN's new theory is the cargo manifest which MH I believe hasn't released or they have but it's not been made public. That been said, most of the "aviation" experts believe the plane crashed somewhere in the Indian ocean and is most likely in a section of the ocean which is very deep which is why they can find any beacons. And they're all pointing towards a mechanical event rather than a terrorist event occurring aboard the plane.

[underscore]

A mechanical event that followed routes? CNN is a bit ridiculous.

http://airinfodotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/capture-d_c3a9cran-2014-03-14-c3a0-11-55-54.png

[jepho]

Context to that map you posted?
What am i lookin at, other than possible flight path

[Harvey Specter]

Context to that map you posted?
What am i lookin at, other than possible flight path

I think he's trying to point out that the plane flew a specific flight path so that wouldn't be in line with a mechanical issue.

[Harvey Specter]

Now reports that in fact the plane might have been hijacked or possible sabotage because of erratic altitude changes before the plane disappeared. Not sure what they mean by "at least one person involved" because they didn't specifically mention any one name unless they have a suspect but holding back until they can confirm this scenario.

[StylinRed]

A mechanical event that followed routes? CNN is a bit ridiculous.

http://airinfodotorg.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/capture-d_c3a9cran-2014-03-14-c3a0-11-55-54.png

It's not certain that that unidentified radar blip is mh370 though

Now reports that in fact the plane might have been hijacked or possible sabotage because of erratic altitude changes before the plane disappeared. Not sure what they mean by "at least one person involved" because they didn't specifically mention any one name unless they have a suspect but holding back until they can confirm this scenario.

isn't it possible that turbulence/mechanical issues and pilots trying to save the plane cause erratic altitude shifts?

[Harvey Specter]

It's not certain that that unidentified radar blip is mh370 though



isn't it possible that turbulence/mechanical issues and pilots trying to save the plane cause erratic altitude shifts?

I'm assuming there must be a pattern of erratic attitude shifts which hasn't been reported to the media for authorities to suspect something other than mechanical. One scenario I heard on CNN is that sources are saying that there might have been some sort of struggle in the cockpit which would explain these shifts.

Again, nothing has been confirmed so it's hearsay for now.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

wild guess out of my ass

well planned heist:

plane was high jacked, flew low out of radar, landed in burma somewhere. executed all the passengers and crew (unless some crew were in on it). planned well in advance and had in-depth knowledge of everything so they could disable or remove or whatever all those technicalities of being tracked. and of course they have the knowledge to maintain and operate the jet.

they'll lay low for 6-12+ months and let this blow over and then the plane will be used locally within some nation (somewhere in SE asia, or if they can get it to africa). and the plane will just be maintained and stored and used to ferry illegal products within their territory.

africa is an ideal place. but it's kinda far. so maybe they'll just keep it within burma. but SE asia is full of mountains and its dangerous to fly that low.

anyway, the plane will be used to transport tons of drugs, weapons and slaves and whatever else back and forth through different illegal ports, they'll just fly low all the time and out of radar.

i duno why but either i read it somewhere or it was mentioned somewhere. but in africa didn't they find a highjacked jetliner that was highjacked decades ago? it was being used for such purposes.

or maybe it was a fictional story somewhere.

but anyway. just an idea.

edit: actually, more like execute all the males, and will use the females as sex slaves... but the less risky thing to do is just to kill em all.

[Harvey Specter]

wild guess out of my ass

well planned heist:

plane was high jacked, flew low out of radar, landed in burma somewhere. executed all the passengers and crew (unless some crew were in on it).

the plane will be used locally within some nation (somewhere in SE asia, or if they can get it to africa). and the plane will just be maintained and stored and used to ferry illegal products within their territory.

africa is an ideal place. but it's kinda far. so maybe they'll just keep it within burma. but SE asia is full of mountains and its dangerous to fly that low.

anyway, the plane will be used to transport tons of drugs, weapons and slaves and whatever else back and forth through different illegal ports, they'll just fly low all the time and out of radar.

i duno why but either i read it somewhere or it was mentioned somewhere. but in africa didn't they find a highjacked jetliner that was highjacked decades ago? it was being used for such purposes.

or maybe it was a fictional story somewhere.

but anyway. just an idea.

No possibility of the scenario above.