[Ulic Qel-Droma]

why?

[threezero]

Want to know source of the found lost hijacked plane in africa
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[StylinRed]

a 30yr+ flight experience Captain + a Fmr. Inspector General of Transportation on CNN currently are saying the data is inaccurate because the speed of changes in altitude and direction are impossible

[Harvey Specter]

I assume you're talking about Mary. She's been consistent with the notion that it was a mechanical failure rather than terrorism or sabotage.

[Harvey Specter]

FYI:

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t534/chaostheory2/772pandpcruise_zps6af921aa.jpg

[underscore]

I think he's trying to point out that the plane flew a specific flight path so that wouldn't be in line with a mechanical issue.

Exactly, that's supposed to come from pings off satellites IIRC. The red line is the planes path, the black lines are flight routes and the little triangles are waypoints.

There's also other reports that supposedly involve the planes altitude, saying that after the transponder stopping it shot up to 45,000 (41,500 is supposed to be the max a pilot is allowed to take it to) briefly and turned around, then dropped down to 30,000 or something, stayed there for a while, then dropped to 23,000 for a bit followed by a jump back up. But according to some pilots the rates of change sounded outside the realm of possibility for the airframe.

(apologies for the inaccuracies of the above, I'm running off of memory here, the page where I read that is open on a different PC)

[hud 91gt]

I don't know if it is the same data that I saw. But the radar recording I saw said the plane reached 48 000'. I'd say that is coming up on impossible, not too mention above the airplanes service ceiling. Especially with 5+ hours of fuel onboard. But I could be wrong.

[underscore]

The numbers are spitballed from memory, the important bit is that it went to a crazy altitude and made a lot of jumps, but between most of those jumps it stayed level. I'm assuming this altitude data is on a separate route from the one I posted earlier, it sounds more like something a military training flight would be doing though (the altitude jumps)

Here's the site that's been getting a tonne of posts, there's a lot of pilots on here so there's good info, but it's a lot of reading. I think the stuff on the altitude jumps was thread 20 or 21 MH370 Malaysia Airlines B772 Missing Enroute KUL-PEK Part 24 — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6024376/)

They have a very good summary at the top of every thread for those wanting a Coles Notes.

edit: found the initial altitude info

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.

Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person familiar with the data.

The radar track, which the Malaysian government has not released but says it has provided to the United States and China, then shows the plane descending unevenly to an altitude of 23,000 feet, below normal cruising levels, as it approached the densely populated island of Penang, one of the country’s largest. There, the plane turned from a southwest-bound course, climbed to a higher altitude and flew northwest over the Strait of Malacca toward the Indian Ocean.

Investigators have also examined data transmitted from the plane’s Rolls-Royce engines that shows it descending 40,000 feet in the space of a minute, according to a senior American official briefed on the investigation. But investigators do not believe the readings are accurate because the aircraft would likely haven taken longer to fall such a distance.

“A lot of stock cannot be put in the altitude data” sent from the engines, one official said. “A lot of this doesn’t make sense.”

It doesn't sound as solid as the other route tracking report tho.

edit 2: Sounds like the altitude info is along the same route as posted before. From the NYTime article http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-military-radar.html?_r=0

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b139/whyexactly/Path_zps58d3f694.png

[fliptuner]

I keep checking this thread for updates, in the hope that the plane/passengers have been located.

I have to admit that I'm kind of dumbfounded that in this day and age, something that big, carrying that many people, can be missing for this long.

[NeoDestinyZ]

First of all, they are not giving back enough information to the public nor to their Families. They identify 3 glowing objects suspended in the air while the plane was still flying for 4 hours. They obviously got abducted by extratessrials, there has been many documentaries in the past where fighter jets get abducted or encounter a UFO. The plane obviously got an EMP attack, then it obviously got transfer somewhere. The plane can't fly anymore due to low fuel. If they can't find it for 1 week, even a month. It is considered an abduction.

[multicartual]

They identify 3 glowing objects suspended in the air while the plane was still flying for 4 hours.



??????????????

[underscore]

CNN has yet more stupid claims, unbelievable

[Ball.J.Inder]

^ one I agreed with was General Spyder Marks's comments on why did they immediately dismiss so quickly that those Iranians were simply trying to seek asylum and why they aren't deeply looking deeper at the all passengers' profiles.

[Soundy]

Via CKNW:

A Malaysian government official has told the Associated Press the government has concluded the missing Boeing 777 was hijacked. The official told the AP hijacking is no longer a theory, but "conclusive." The official says a motive isn't clear at this stage, and it's unclear where the plane was headed.

[jpw12]

heard it was sucked into a black hole

[Harvey Specter]

^
All over twitter right now, the report was from the AP and one source said they don't know if the plane actually crashed or it landed somewhere. They also said there's 600 airports in the area that can accommodate a 777.

[CP.AR]

FYI:

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t534/chaostheory2/772pandpcruise_zps6af921aa.jpg

oh ffs RS is the last place I want to see those tables
i'm out :suspicious:

[StylinRed]

supposedly a press conference is imminent from Malaysia that will confirm its a hijacking. Am watching 20/20 and it was interrupted to report that


if it was hijacked by experts who would know how to turn off the equipment and have the skill to fly a 777 then surely they would have the knowledge of fuel levels and how far/where they could fly, so how/why would it have crashed?

a mechanical error also? (what are the odds of that?!)

shot down by Malaysia but they're keeping it secret? and wants everyone to believe it crashed?

Or have they gotten away?

[EmperorIS]

Fucking makes me sick how slow these Malaysian officials are. Took a week to figure out it's a hijack and it actually flew else where. I actually hope those people are dead. Who the hell know what kind of torutre or sex slave those people would be sold in to if they actually landed somewhere.


I also wonder if terrorist bought out one of the pilots
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[StylinRed]

press conference about to start on BBC

and its the Prime Minister who will come out to speak!

[Harvey Specter]

Link for the news conference;

CCTV News Live - P2P Live Streaming - English_CCTV.com (http://english.cntv.cn/live/p2p/index.shtml)

[trd2343]

Just throwing it out there, I think it's mentioned some where that it wasn't until 5 or more hours later till Malaysia Airline had a press release that they lost contact with the plane, which coincidentally, was the same amount of time that people are speculating that the plane was still active after disappearing from civilian radar.

I'm not sure if there are protocols as to when the airline has to release a press to alert the public of the situation.

It's a improbable and retarded theory, but it would be super crazy if the Malaysia Airline actually knew something all along.

[Soundy]

Fucking makes me sick how slow these Malaysian officials are. Took a week to figure out it's a hijack and it actually flew else where.
Let's not forget there's been at least a dozen other nations and numerous aviation authorities in on the search, as well as the plane and engine manufacturers, and who knows who else working on this in an "official" capacity, and ALL of them have been just as stumped.

[multicartual]

Hope to god that a miracle happened and the plane landed with all of those people still alive :(

[LiquidTurbo]

Where is the best source for accurate news?

[Harvey Specter]

Where is the best source for accurate news?

AP and Reuters would be the best source for the most accurate news regarding this story. WSJ has been pretty spot on as well.

[JSALES]

I don't know why but I find it hard to believe it got hijacked

[Harvey Specter]

This entire incident is getting downright eerie.

[xxxrsxxx]

live press conference going on now!

[bballguy]

Where is the best source for accurate news?

RevScene, Duh!

[underscore]

I'm watching the last bit of the press conference and the fucking guy just asked about the cell phones :rukidding:

[multicartual]

I lit a candle and put it on my windowsill


Hate how many people have been cracking jokes and trivializing this, the family members involved are going through hell. More people should pray for those people rather than opening their mouths and saying hurtful things.

[bballguy]

I lit a candle and put it on my windowsill


....:suspicious:.....

[underscore]

Allegedly the families have been told that the plane last contacted at 8:11, that's an additional hour on top of what we had before, a total of 6 hours of flying after it disappeared.

[v_tec]

Came home a tad late. The CCTV 'live' link is now just discussing about it...etc.
- the plane has flew for more than 6+ hrs
- last contact 0811

But does anyone have a link have a recap of the PM speech?

[v_tec]

Allegedly the families have been told that the plane last contacted at 8:11, that's an additional hour on top of what we had before, a total of 6 hours of flying after it disappeared.

Does anyone recall what time MH officially declare it was missing? I think it was 8/9am too...

[StylinRed]

Does anyone recall what time MH officially declare it was missing? I think it was 8/9am too...

i think it was an hour after it was supposed to land in beijing before they made the announcement cant recall

[underscore]

Does anyone recall what time MH officially declare it was missing? I think it was 8/9am too...

I skimmed a couple older articles but none mention when the announcement was made other than after it was supposed to have landed, but the interesting part is that they initially said the plane was lost from ATC and went missing at 2:40 after two hours of flight. However, we now know that the plane was lost at 1:17 and picked up on the west coast at 2:40 (which was at first denied, and then confirmed). Considering the track record of MH so far, I'd say they knew about at least some of these pings from the start.

edit: Press conference summed up on another forum:
press conference points/confirmations:
high degree of certainty that acars was disabled.
transponder shut off.
malaysian radar had primary return of mh370.
aircraft movement is consistent with deliberate action of someone on plane.
raw satellite data confirms that the aircraft on malaysian primary radar was mh370
faa/ntsb/aaib/malaysian authorities all concur.
ending search operation in the South China Sea

last confirmed satellite communication at 8:11 AM malaysian time
satellite data cannot confirm precise location of plane when it contacted satellite.
malaysian authorities and internationoal counterpoints confirm that the final location CAN be narrowed down to one of two corridors:

northern corridor: around Kazakhstan / Turkmenistan border to northern Thailand
southern corridor: from Indonesia to southern Indian Ocean

[Harvey Specter]

You think CNN is bad with some of their theories well Fox News takes the cake by spreading rumors that the plane landed somewhere in Pakistan. They even had a Lt. general of the US army who said he believed the plane landed somewhere in Pakistan and went on to say if the hijacker(s) went through all the effort to fly the plane undetected the hijacker(s) would have known how much fuel was on board and the range they could fly. And he pointed out if the person controlling the aircraft wanted to crash the plane, they would have crashed it inland as oppose to the open sea.

For the sake of rumors I really hope they find this plane soon or otherwise this confirmation of a hijacking is going to fuel crazy conspiracy theories.

[icemiko]

Pretty good live source here: Missing Malaysia Airlines flight live: Satellites picked up 'electronic ping' from missing flight MH370 after it lost contact with ground control - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-live-3236617)

[underscore]

Guesstimate of landing area from Twitter user Flying With Fish, who apparently has some very good sources and has been providing guesstimates later confirmed by official reports. Supposedly those sources can explain how it could have gotten to this destination without detection.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiwFJokCUAET7iT.jpg

That endpoint is Esfahan, Iran. From the airliners.net threads:

I visited Esfahan a couple of years ago. For those who don't know, Iran's nuclear facilities are located just beyond the outskirts of Esfahan.

If, and this is a big if, the plane is in Iran, either those two Iranians on stolen passports are the unluckiest asylum seekers ever, or they were likely involved.

[Harvey Specter]

I guess other logical questions to ask now is why this particular flight was singled out? Was there valuable cargo on board? Or was there a passenger that was valuable enough to hijack the plane?

[underscore]

Well here's a summary of some interesting tweets from FlyingWithFish courtesy of airliners again

Rereading the FlyingwithFish tweets, a few stand out, such as:

"A Terrorist wants to spread terror and get credit. A cartel wants whatever it wants & leaves no evidence behind"

"Because it is not terrorism , it is theft or abduction with collateral damage"

"They want a who or what on that plane"

"I thought someone seated in the pointed end of #MH370 is fully complicit in whatever happened"

" Also addressed the zero cargo being screened"

"On Tuesday I started tweeting about cargo x-ray being down at KUL, now it seems only #MH370 pushed without its cargo screened"

He has been very consistent in saying it's not the plane that is wanted, but something on board, and that the plane is on the ground but unlikely to fly again.

Only repeating this because some of his information has subsequently been corroborated, such as flying for 3,675 miles (or seven hours) from the last known point ... however he may be sniffing glue!

If it's true that the planes cargo was not screened then who knows what was in there. And if that is the case I'd be looking for signs of intentional tampering with the x-ray machines, and looking into anybody who had access to them. Same deal with fuel, if the x ray was intentionally damaged then just as easily could the plane not have been filled with extra fuel by paid off ground staff? Do the trucks log fuel flow for billing purposes?

Apparently smuggling US weapons tech to Iran from Malaysia is quite common, at least it was back in 2009 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aK4daf8MD.Bw

Someone also posted up a very plausible way in which someone with a bit of research and social skill could have conceivably convinced the pilot to let them into the cockpit, the amount of time it would have taken to find a pilot that this would work on might ruin the possibility though

Figure out if one of the passenger(s) "befriended" the pilot by becoming a close flight simulator pal of his, and I think you will have found your Trojan horse. What better way to get access to the flight deck, than to be flight sim buds with the captain for months/years, sharing the same passion? After gaining his confidence, you casually mention how neat it would be to be able to see a real flight deck in action, and not just on the computer simulator, and the captain agrees. He tells you when he is flying, you buy a ticket, and after takeoff, during a quite period of the flight, he invites you- as his close flight sim "buddy"- on up to check out the action. After all, it was reported on TV that he previously let some Australian girls onto the flight deck, so why not his flight sim pal?

Said person(s) has now Trojan-horsed himself onto the flight deck, takes out the captain/co-pilot,....struggles with the controls at first (it's a little different than sitting in front of the computer), shuts off all the tracking devices that he is aware of, gets the plane back under control, and takes off for who knows were, for who knows what.

It sounds a lot more likely to have been either the pilot or co-pilot though.

edit: the TL;DR is that the cargo allegedly wasn't x ray'd and that US military tech smuggling from Malaysia to Iran used to be quite common. Combine that with the possibility of the flight landing in Iran near a nuclear facility as posted above, and I'm pretty sure you can figure out the rest on your own.

[StylinRed]

otherwise this confirmation of a hijacking is going to fuel crazy conspiracy theories.

too late

[v_tec]

List of possible runways:

http://i.imgur.com/OQcO9Sz.jpg

[v_tec]

The two "Northern" and "Southern" point mentioned on the news conf
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiwRv2yCUAAbJYZ.jpg:large

[underscore]

Here's a colour one, makes the lines more obvious:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Biwdqq5CIAAQmhR.jpg:large

Jonah Fisher ‏@JonahFisher (BBC correspondent in Burma)
Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.

[skyxx]

Diego Garcia.

[1exotic]

Guesstimate of landing area from Twitter user Flying With Fish, who apparently has some very good sources and has been providing guesstimates later confirmed by official reports. Supposedly those sources can explain how it could have gotten to this destination without detection.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiwFJokCUAET7iT.jpg

That endpoint is Esfahan, Iran. From the airliners.net threads:



If, and this is a big if, the plane is in Iran, either those two Iranians on stolen passports are the unluckiest asylum seekers ever, or they were likely involved.

This is what I've assumed after finding out about the two stolen passports. This is all starting too add up. The plane turning around towards the Indian ocean makes no sense, if it crashed, it might as well of crashed on the original route..

[underscore]

Someone actually found a flight the plane could've used to hide from radar on the way to Iran as well, but it sounds like the plane eventually went more north instead of west. The only reason to go towards the Indian Ocean would be a suicide intended to be hard to find to prevent life insurance from being denied.

[v_tec]

Click on the pic for a bigger pic
http://i.imgur.com/J4Uiv9n.jpg
Runways:
http://i.imgur.com/Iwa6Ali.jpg
Jindalee Radar range overlayed:
http://i.imgur.com/doKOKkR.jpg

I'm starting to think more and more it went up North.

[underscore]

^ Based on what we know I would agree.

Here's the route for the flight it could have shadowed to hide from primary radar across India, etc. (going north sounds more likely though, in which case another flight may have worked)

http://i.imgur.com/luYRcHn.jpg

[rsx]

What's the logic of stealing cargo and landing it in Iran, Israel and the US are dying to send drones and bomb the shit out of them, why risk it? The cargo can't be that valuable to their nuclear facility. They have all the equipment to enrich uranium, don't they?

[StylinRed]

What's the logic of stealing cargo and landing it in Iran, Israel and the US are dying to send drones and bomb the shit out of them, why risk it? The cargo can't be that valuable to their nuclear facility. They have all the equipment to enrich uranium, don't they?

its just a crazy conspiracy notion someone thought up rather poorly

and if it actually panned out to be true Iran would be crazier than the world perceives the Kims of North Korea to be

[v_tec]

^ Based on what we know I would agree.

Here's the route for the flight it could have shadowed to hide from primary radar across India, etc. (going north sounds more likely though, in which case another flight may have worked)]

Thanks. But could you elaborate a little further for us noobs what it means/benefit by using another commercial flight to 'shadow' it?

1) Would radars not notice there is TWO, instead of 1 plane?
2) Would having two planes close to each other not even raise more alarm?
3) Would KLM 836 not notice another aircraft is following close behind and sneak for help / clarification?

[Harvey Specter]

Large police presence at the pilots home. They've finally entered the home so let's see if there's any clues from there search.

And I found it a bit odd that the Russian ambassador attended the PM's press conference. Not sure what interest Russia has in all this. And I've heard the Chinese are pissed and want to send their own experts to search for the plane because they're not convinced with what the Malaysians are feeding the world.

[Harvey Specter]

Thanks. But could you elaborate a little further for us noobs what it means/benefit by using another commercial flight to 'shadow' it?

1) Would radars not notice there is TWO, instead of 1 plane?
2) Would having two planes close to each other not even raise more alarm?
3) Would KLM 836 not notice another aircraft is following close behind and sneak for help / clarification?

Because you would be flying without been detected by radar. Remember the MH plane had no transponder and was probably flying under 30,000ft. If it shadowed the KLM flight than it would have looked like one plane on rader and keep in mind the KLM flight would have been at a cruise altitude which would be 35,000+ so there was plenty of space between the two aircraft's.

Drug runners are notorious for shadowing planes to get in and out of the US.

[underscore]

edt: ^ someone mentioned that KLM 836 was at 30,000, I'm not sure if that's true or not but since MH370 was known to be at 29,500 that would be a pretty ideal gap for picking them up.

What's the logic of stealing cargo and landing it in Iran, Israel and the US are dying to send drones and bomb the shit out of them, why risk it? The cargo can't be that valuable to their nuclear facility. They have all the equipment to enrich uranium, don't they?

No clue, I'm not familiar with the Iranians. If you want an even crazier theory someone could be setting up the Iranians to have Israel and the USA bomb the shit out of them.

its just a crazy conspiracy notion someone thought up rather poorly

The guy it comes from seems to have some pretty solid sources and be pretty knowledgable. IIRC he's worked in plane security for 13+ years or something.

Thanks. But could you elaborate a little further for us noobs what it means/benefit by using another commercial flight to 'shadow' it?

1) Would radars not notice there is TWO, instead of 1 plane?
2) Would having two planes close to each other not even raise more alarm?
3) Would KLM 836 not notice another aircraft is following close behind and sneak for help / clarification?

1) Radar isn't exact, by positioning MH370 near enough to the other plane (keeping the other commercial flight between MH370 and the ATC makes it even better) it's likely the ATC won't pick them up on radar.
2) Only if they get detected, which it sounds like there's a good chance they wouldn't be.
3) With the MH 370 transponder working, KLM 836 would see them and their collision warnings would likely sound. With the transponder off, they could see KLM 836, while remaining unseen themselves.

[Harvey Specter]

Jonah Fisher @JonahFisher
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Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.

[underscore]

Repost!

:p

That really narrows down the search area though, that's a pretty short border. Explains why Russia is paying attention now, that's starting to get close to their turf.

[Gnieob]

^ Based on what we know I would agree.

Here's the route for the flight it could have shadowed to hide from primary radar across India, etc. (going north sounds more likely though, in which case another flight may have worked)

http://i.imgur.com/luYRcHn.jpg

you will have to be extremely close to the other aircraft in order to be able to "hide" under it's shadow, especially when you are a 300t aircraft - not a Cessna Baron or Citation that drug runners use

So close it would activate the TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System) on the KLM Aircraft, in which the pilots would call the ground to ask about the other aircraft trailing them. (keep in mind too that the aircraft would show up as a blip on the KLM Aircraft's ND)

[underscore]

The TCAS relies on the transponders, which we already know was shut off on the MH plane. I'm not familiar with what an ATC sees on their screens, but presumably the transponder info is the main thing. Even if they do get a hit on radar extremely close to the other plane, with no transponder data they may just pass it off as glitch or something. Especially if they have other planes taking off and landing, they might be inclined to not pay as much attention to a plane just passing through their airspace. This is just speculation though, I'm not familiar enough with what ATC systems show you or what their protocols might be.

Either way, it sounds like the plane went north-northwest, not northwest, assuming the latest info given to the media is correct.

[StylinRed]

Not sure what interest Russia has in all this. And I've heard the Chinese are pissed and want to send their own experts to search for the plane because they're not convinced with what the Malaysians are feeding the world.

if you recall there were some terrorist bombings just before the olympics and that issue with the chechens has been going on for some time


No clue, I'm not familiar with the Iranians. If you want an even crazier theory someone could be setting up the Iranians to have Israel and the USA bomb the shit out of them. I could see that being less crazy than Iran doing it but even then i think Iran would notice an unidentified aircraft entering their airspace (hell they shot down us drones even a stealth one)



The guy it comes from seems to have some pretty solid sources and be pretty knowledgable. IIRC he's worked in plane security for 13+ years or something.


that may be but flight/national security are still two different things.
Common sense would suggest Iran would have to have gone batshit crazy to green light an attack on them in such a way with how they've been tiptoeing so intensely already with their enrichment it would be :fulloffuck: for them to just throw that all out the door and do something so stupid

iran doesnt need any nuclear tech anymore they've got the capability to make a nuke, hell its rumored they may already have a nuke (according to some in the US military and israel) the only thing stopping them from doing it out in the open isn't the tech, its because they'll be bombed when they accelerate their enrichment

I'm not saying his idea is 100% impossible i'm just saying it seems to be pretty close to it

[hud 91gt]

Shadowing a flight seems really far fetched, but I suppose not impossible. I still think they were whale watching 100 feet off the deck on their way to their favourite island destination with a 7000' strip. Mind you this would kill their airspeed/efficiency and their range would not be nearly as far.

As for blips on the radar. Birds can show a return on a radar screen, so erroneous returns do happen.

[underscore]

The full transcript of the Malaysian PM's statement if anyone is interested

Seven days ago Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared. We realise this is an excruciating time for the families of those on board. No words can describe the pain they must be going through. Our thoughts and our prayers are with them.

I have been appraised of the on-going search operation round the clock. At the beginning of the operation, I ordered the search area to be broadened; I instructed the Malaysian authorities to share all relevant information freely and transparently with the wider investigation team; and I requested that our friends and allies join the operation. As of today, 14 countries, 43 ships and 58 aircraft are involved in the search. I wish to thank all the governments for their help at such a crucial time.

Since day one, the Malaysian authorities have worked hand-in-hand with our international partners – including neighbouring countries, the aviation authorities and a multinational search force – many of whom have been here on the ground since Sunday.

We have shared information in real time with authorities who have the necessary experience to interpret the data. We have been working nonstop to assist the investigation. And we have put our national security second to the search for the missing plane.

It is widely understood that this has been a situation without precedent.

We have conducted search operations over land, in the South China Sea, the Straits of Malacca, the Andaman Sea and the Indian Ocean. At every stage, we acted on the basis of verified information, and we followed every credible lead. Sometimes these leads have led nowhere.

There has been intense speculation. We understand the desperate need for information on behalf of the families and those watching around the world. But we have a responsibility to the investigation and the families to only release information that has been corroborated. And our primary motivation has always been to find the plane.

In the first phase of the search operation, we searched near MH370’s last known position, in the South China Sea. At the same time, it was brought to our attention by the Royal Malaysian Air Force that, based on their primary radar, an aircraft – the identity of which could not be confirmed – made a turn back. The primary radar data showed the aircraft proceeding on a flight path which took it to an area north of the Straits of Malacca.

Given this credible data, which was subsequently corroborated with the relevant international authorities, we expanded the area of search to include the Straits of Malacca and, later, to the Andaman Sea.

Early this morning I was briefed by the investigation team – which includes the FAA [US Federal Aviation Administration], NTSB [US National Transportation Safety Board], the AAIB (Uk Air Accidents Investigation Branch), the Malaysian authorities and the acting minister of transport – on new information that sheds further light on what happened to MH370.

Based on new satellite information, we can say with a high degree of certainty that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) was disabled just before the aircraft reached the East coast of peninsular Malaysia. Shortly afterwards, near the border between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic control, the aircraft’s transponder was switched off.

From this point onwards, the Royal Malaysian Air Force primary radar showed that an aircraft which was believed – but not confirmed – to be MH370 did indeed turn back. It then flew in a westerly direction back over peninsular Malaysia before turning northwest. Up until the point at which it left military primary radar coverage, these movements are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane.

Today, based on raw satellite data that was obtained from the satellite data service provider, we can confirm that the aircraft shown in the primary radar data was flight MH370. After much forensic work and deliberation, the FAA, NTSB, AAIB and the Malaysian authorities, working separately on the same data, concur.

According to the new data, the last confirmed communication between the plane and the satellite was at 8:11AM Malaysian time on Saturday 8th March. The investigations team is making further calculations which will indicate how far the aircraft may have flown after this last point of contact. This will help us to refine the search.

Due to the type of satellite data, we are unable to confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact with the satellite.

However, based on this new data, the aviation authorities of Malaysia and their international counterparts have determined that the plane’s last communication with the satellite was in one of two possible corridors: a northern corridor stretching approximately from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan to northern Thailand, or a southern corridor stretching approximately from Indonesia to the southern Indian ocean. The investigation team is working to further refine the information.

In view of this latest development the Malaysian authorities have refocused their investigation into the crew and passengers on board. Despite media reports that the plane was hijacked, I wish to be very clear: we are still investigating all possibilities as to what caused MH370 to deviate from its original flight path.

This new satellite information has a significant impact on the nature and scope of the search operation. We are ending our operations in the South China Sea and reassessing the redeployment of our assets. We are working with the relevant countries to request all information relevant to the search, including radar data.

As the two new corridors involve many countries, the relevant foreign embassies have been invited to a briefing on the new information today by the Malaysian Foreign Ministry and the technical experts. I have also instructed the Foreign Ministry to provide a full briefing to foreign governments which had passengers on the plane. This morning, Malaysia Airlines has been informing the families of the passengers and crew of these new developments.

Clearly, the search for MH370 has entered a new phase. Over the last seven days, we have followed every lead and looked into every possibility. For the families and friends of those involved, we hope this new information brings us one step closer to finding the plane.

[PeanutButter]

Can someone explain civilian radar? If they disappeared from civilian radar, did they use military radar to figure out the changes in altitudes?
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[underscore]

Public posts from the pilots FB page indicate that he was unhappy with the Barisan Nasional, who won the Malaysian elections last May (apparently they have been in power for quite a while). He also posted saying that it was going to be his last post on FB shortly before going to vote. The day before the plane was highjacked the main leader of the political opposition (supported by the pilot) in Malaysia was convicted on sodomy charges.

This provides potential motivation for the pilot to either act alone or to work with another group who have their own motivations, he could make the current government look bad by being unable to locate the missing plane, seeing as its not rocket science to know they would be leading the SAR effort.

[Ball.J.Inder]

The fact that the Malaysians seem to be hiding something and if it indeed was hijacked, it could be possible that the Malaysians possibly overreacted when the systems began turning off and then the plane went off course. Could the Malaysians have possibly shot down the plane?

[Mr.HappySilp]

The fact that the Malaysians seem to be hiding something and if it indeed was hijacked, it could be possible that the Malaysians possibly overreacted when the systems began turning off and then the plane went off course. Could the Malaysians have possibly shot down the plane?

If the Malaysian gov did it to prevent terrorist attacks they would have said it by now. And the fact that now terrorist organization have take responsibility yet that's unlikely.

Maybe hijacked by the ploit?

[xpl0sive]

Large police presence at the pilots home. They've finally entered the home so let's see if there's any clues from there search.

And I found it a bit odd that the Russian ambassador attended the PM's press conference. Not sure what interest Russia has in all this. And I've heard the Chinese are pissed and want to send their own experts to search for the plane because they're not convinced with what the Malaysians are feeding the world.

And what interest do the Americans have in the search...?

I'm starting to think that maybe the plane flew South West into the middle of the Indian Ocean and crashed. I just don't see any other explanation how a plane and 200+ people just vanish in today's Global information network. I don't exactly know how far the South West the search effort has gone, but I think if the plane had enough fuel to go North West all the way to Iran, it could have just as easily gone South West into the middle of the ocean.

[underscore]

Reading on other forums I find it interesting how people continue to think the plane flying over India is impossible, that the plane being landed is impossible, the plane not being seen is impossible, that the pilot highjacking it is impossible, when things initially thought to be very unlikely are now most likely true (like crossing Malaysia unnoticed). Hell, prior to 9/11 most people would have said that highjacking multiple planes to slam them into buildings is impossible.

At this point, I would say it's foolish to discount anything within the physical and technological capabilities of the plane and only the plane.

Maybe hijacked by the ploit?

To date, excluding 9/11, apparently 30% of the hijackings at cruise have been done the pilot or first officer. With the timing of the disappearance, the way in which the systems were disabled, and the route it looks like was taken, it's looking pretty likely to have been one of those two.

[underscore]

And what interest do the Americans have in the search...?

I'm starting to think that maybe the plane flew South West into the middle of the Indian Ocean and crashed. I just don't see any other explanation how a plane and 200+ people just vanish in today's Global information network. I don't exactly know how far the South West the search effort has gone, but I think if the plane had enough fuel to go North West all the way to Iran, it could have just as easily gone South West into the middle of the ocean.

Why couldn't it vanish? The areas that the satellite has narrowed it down to are hardly high tech, there's a whole pile of sweet crap all in most of that region. Do you think some rural farmer is gonna go contact the authorities just because he saw a plane fly by early in the morning? It wouldn't say it would be terribly difficult to hide 240 people in the desert in the middle of nowhere. It's not like they're saying it flew over New York and landed somewhere in central park.

[xpl0sive]

Why couldn't it vanish? The areas that the satellite has narrowed it down to are hardly high tech, there's a whole pile of sweet crap all in most of that region. Do you think some rural farmer is gonna go contact the authorities just because he saw a plane fly by early in the morning? It wouldn't say it would be terribly difficult to hide 240 people in the desert in the middle of nowhere. It's not like they're saying it flew over New York and landed somewhere in central park.

I wasn't talking about someone seeing a plane fly by. I'm talking about landing the plane in Iran or wherever and hiding it there. Do they execute 200+ people and then just hang onto the plane for future use? It sounds like pulling off something like this would take quite a bit of planning and everything would have to go right. What's the reward? A Boeing 777?
You'd think if someone is willing to do all that work they would do it for something a little bit more valuable. I don't know how much a plane costs nowadays... price list from Boeing suggests they are $300mil? What's it worth on the black market... $50mil?
I mean $50mil is a ton of money, but in the grand scheme of things, highjacking a plane and killing 200+ people over it doesn't sound plausible.

http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/prices/

[hud 91gt]

I'd agree with the above, i'm going along with the theory of pilot interception. The fact the radio transmissions were clear and calm before hand. Then right at transfer of control from one controller to another, all communications stop. That is huge in my mind. Then the plane disappears. They knew what they were doing.

[Gucci Mane]

man this story is going to make for a good fucking movie in the near future.

[hud 91gt]

I don't think stealing a plane for the money, or cash savings is the point. It's having one of the longest range aircraft, with one of the largest cargo capabilities can do for you. Stealing a plane for the money is useless. You couldn't sell it without getting caught.

[underscore]

I wasn't talking about someone seeing a plane fly by. I'm talking about landing the plane in Iran or wherever and hiding it there. Do they execute 200+ people and then just hang onto the plane for future use? It sounds like pulling off something like this would take quite a bit of planning and everything would have to go right. What's the reward? A Boeing 777?
You'd think if someone is willing to do all that work they would do it for something a little bit more valuable. I don't know how much a plane costs nowadays... price list from Boeing suggests they are $300mil? What's it worth on the black market... $50mil?
I mean $50mil is a ton of money, but in the grand scheme of things, highjacking a plane and killing 200+ people over it doesn't sound plausible.

Boeing: Jet Prices (http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/prices/)

It has been hinted at that the intended target may have been cargo, not the plane or the passengers. People have been killed for less, and there are people out there who have zero concern over the lives of others, just look at drug cartels. And that's assuming the passengers were killed, is hiding 240 people in the desert that inconceivable? And it doesn't even have to be in the desert anymore, after a week it could have easily been flown just about anywhere so long as there was somebody waiting to refuel it. They could land it, refuel it, more thoroughly disable/remove/jam any kind of comms or pings and take off again.

If it went south, based on the sat pings it would have to be down near the coast of Australia, in which case the Australian radar systems posted earlier should have picked it up, or they should at least be currently picking up the ELT pings. I'm guessing they're currently focusing their efforts up north until Australia has a chance to review all their data, since sending SAR down there would be a huge waste of effort if the Aussie's didn't pick up anything.

[boostfever]

plane couldn't make it to Iran, it's too far. unless it stopped somewhere to refuel.
considering iran is trying to get rid of of the sanctions at the moment and collaborate more closely with the west, it wouldn't make any sense for them to pull a hijack like this.
Obviously not everyone is following the news in Iran and middle east.

[Domani]

what has me wondering is, if the plane isn't in the ocean..... some say it landed somewhere, flew over Thailand even Kazakstan, why aren't there any cellular activities being picked up by carriers? passengers would prob try to turn on there cell phones and call out. So I think the plane is underwater :(

[xpl0sive]

what has me wondering is, if the plane isn't in the ocean..... or it actually stopped for fuelling, why aren't there any cellular activities being picked up by carriers? passengers would prob try to turn on there cell phones and call out. So I think the plane is underwater :(

if it really is highjacked, first thing the highjackers would do is walk around and take everyone's phone away from them. If they are smart enough to steal a plane, they are smart enough to realize everyone on that plane has a phone

[bballguy]

passengers would prob try to turn on there cell phones and call out.

Wow, why didn't I think of that...You're a pretty smart guy.

[Domani]

if it really is highjacked, first thing the highjackers would do is walk around and take everyone's phone away from them. If they are smart enough to steal a plane, they are smart enough to realize everyone on that plane has a phone

I don't know anything about plane hijacking, what you say may be plausible.

[Harvey Specter]

Cell phones only work if there's a siginal, they could be in the region of the world were there is no cell coverage hence they can't find signals for cell devices.

The other thing I find odd about the Malaysian officials is that there's been no talk whatsoever about the security at KLIA. Did the staff at the airport see anyone suspicious board the plane? What about the baggage handlers, food caterers and cleaners? I read that the x-ray machines for cargo was down, is this true or not?

Like I said a few days, I feel that Malaysian officials are hiding information to protect someone or something that would hurt them. The information coming out is very slow with a lot of holes. Remember, 2 of the hijackers for 9/11 spent time in Kuala Lumpur so they're very sensitive about terrorism.

[bballguy]

I don't know anything about plane hijacking, what you say may be plausible.

Doesn't take a masters in plane hijacking to realize that hijackers would do something to prevent passengers from communicating via cellphones if they planned on landing the plane somewhere...............:facepalm:


'Oh, well, what if the passengers are still on the plane and are thus being instructed to keep their phones on airplane mode? I've never hijacked a plane before, so I don't know if this is plausible or not.'

[underscore]

if it really is highjacked, first thing the highjackers would do is walk around and take everyone's phone away from them. If they are smart enough to steal a plane, they are smart enough to realize everyone on that plane has a phone

You don't even need to take the phones, a cell phone jammer would stop them all from working. And even if they had working phones, you still need to be in an area with cell towers that work on the right frequencies for the phones. Just because your phone always works in Vancouver doesn't mean it'll work in the bush.

[underscore]

The other thing I find odd about the Malaysian officials is that there's been no talk whatsoever about the security at KLIA. Did the staff at the airport see anyone suspicious board the plane? What about the baggage handlers, food caterers and cleaners? I read that the x-ray machines for cargo was down, is this true or not?

Personally I haven't got a lot of confidence in the security at KLIA at this point, even though they've sorted out two passengers had stolen passports, others could have had fraudulent ones. Or if someone wanted to hijack an aircraft and kidnap 240 people, they probably wouldn't hesitate to kidnap someone and use their passport to board.

Additionally, someone came up with the theory that because this was the F/O's first flight on a 777 (allegedly) that the rest of the flight crew wouldn't have been familiar with him and so someone could have impersonated him to get on the plane. That would be a pretty gutsy move though, as I'm sure other staff at the airport would recognize him.

[Manic!]

I don't know how a plane could cross the Indian/Pakistan boarder without them knowing about. It's one of the most heavenly patrolled boarders in the world. I think only one airline has flights between the 2 countries and it only flies 12 times a week between the two. Also after 9/11 I don't think passengers would just let a plane be hijacked.

[multicartual]

Also after 9/11 I don't think passengers would just let a plane be hijacked.


It makes sense that the pilots did it because that is exactly how I feel about it.


If the pilots just flew the plane off course how would anyone even know?

[Harvey Specter]

I don't know how a plane could cross the Indian/Pakistan boarder without them knowing about. It's one of the most heavenly patrolled boarders in the world. I think only one airline has flights between the 2 countries and it only flies 12 times a week between the two. Also after 9/11 I don't think passengers would just let a plane be hijacked.

There's a article about spotty radar coverage over India and Pakistan so the plane could have flown right over India without them knowing. And lets not forget, Mumbai was seized by terrorist from Pakistan which came ashore without the Indian intelligence community having the slightest clue.

And what does this hijack say about the intelligence community as a whole. US intelligence has tons of assets in that region of the world but yet a 777 when undetected and still can't be found? Unless there's information that's been withheld I think there's going to be some serious questions and concerns about US intelligence.

[Manic!]

There's a article about spotty radar coverage over India and Pakistan so the plane could have flown right over India without them knowing.

And what does this hijack say about the intelligence community as a whole. US intelligence has tons of assets in that region of the world but yet a 777 when undetected and still can't be found? Unless there's information that's been withheld I think there's going to be some serious questions and concerns about US intelligence.

Spotty coverage over India but not the boarder.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/561779/airspace-violation-2-indian-fighter-planes-enter-pakistan-territory/

[bballguy]

Spotty coverage over India but not the boarder.


I don't know how a plane could cross the Indian/Pakistan boarder without them knowing about.

It's one of the most heavenly patrolled boarders in the world.


So no one on RS has a mail box across the boarder?

Legally you are supposed to pay. Next time tell the boarder agent you want to go inside and pay instead of breaking the law. Or you can just pay revenue Canada when you pay your taxes.


BORDER

[Harvey Specter]

But you have to remember this plane had no transponder and was flying below the radar. There's also spy satellites over this region but nothing was detected (that we know of).

[Manic!]

BOARDER

[Obsideon]

:suspicious:
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/content/Image/07-30-2008/Shaun-White-Olympics.jpg

[underscore]

board·er
ˈbôrdər/
noun
noun: boarder; plural noun: boarders

1.
a person who receives regular meals when staying somewhere, in return for payment or services.
a student who lives at school during the semester in return for payment.
2.
a person who boards a ship during or after an attack.

bor·der
ˈbôrdər/
noun
noun: border; plural noun: borders

1.
a line separating two political or geographical areas, esp. countries.
"the German border with Denmark"
synonyms: frontier, boundary; More
borderline, perimeter;
marches, bounds
"the Canadian border"
a district near a line separating two political or geographical areas.
"a refugee camp on the border"
2.
the edge or boundary of something, or the part near it.
"the northern border of their distribution area"
synonyms: edge, margin, perimeter, circumference, periphery;

Now that we have that covered, why do you guys think it had to cross the India-Pakistan border to get near the China-Kyrgyzstan border?

[Vale46Rossi]

Trying to find source for this..... I overheard someone talking about this during dinner and googled this...



http://i.imgur.com/vo9SK1B.jpg

[dangonay]

Large police presence at the pilots home. They've finally entered the home so let's see if there's any clues from there search
Why the hell did it take so long for them to go check out the pilots residence? I would have thought they would have done this immediately after the plane went missing.

[underscore]

Twitter user FlyWithFish seems very confident that the plane was highjacked for "cargo", however the value of that cargo to the person(s) behind this may not be monetary. Also according to his sources, these actions have been state-backed (unclear on which state it is though).

Also the plane flew several other loops before this final one, so potentially something could have been stashed onboard anywhere, depending on what they're after.

KUL-DPS-KUL-BOM-KUL-DPS-KUL-DAC-KUL-HKG-KUL - - - - - - - - PEK

[underscore]

Why the hell did it take so long for them to go check out the pilots residence? I would have thought they would have done this immediately after the plane went missing.

Because they thought it had crashed?

[Soundy]

And I found it a bit odd that the Russian ambassador attended the PM's press conference. Not sure what interest Russia has in all this.
And what interest do the Americans have in the search...?
What modern country DOESN'T have an interest in this? Until a week ago, nobody thought it realistically possible for a plane to simply vanish like this. Now, everyone on the planet with one or more commercial air fleets has to take a serious look at how things are done and how planes are built and tracked.

Put it this way: what interest does anyone on Revscene have in the search? Well if nothing else, it's one of the biggest puzzles of the last decade or so: how the hell did an airliner simply disappear into thin air... and where is it now.

You'd think if someone is willing to do all that work they would do it for something a little bit more valuable. I don't know how much a plane costs nowadays... price list from Boeing suggests they are $300mil? What's it worth on the black market... $50mil?
I mean $50mil is a ton of money, but in the grand scheme of things, highjacking a plane and killing 200+ people over it doesn't sound plausible.

I think you're overestimating the "black market value" here - it's not like a car where you just swap out the VIN plate and put it back on the road. Assuming someone actually buys this plane for $50M... what are they going to do with it? Certainly not fly it anywhere - you put a jet in the air without a valid transponder, and you can probably expect to get shot down PDQ. You can't make a fake transponder code... you can't re-use one from an old plane... unless you're going to use it to fly below radar over extremely remote areas, it's not going to be of much use to anyone for anything other than scrap value, or reverse engineering.

[Soundy]

Like I said a few days, I feel that Malaysian officials are hiding information to protect someone or something that would hurt them. The information coming out is very slow with a lot of holes.
OR they're not revealing everything because they don't want people they're investigating to know how much THEY know... ya gotta protect your hole card, after all.

[Harvey Specter]

Apologize if it's a repost...


Malaysia Airlines Plane MH370 Latest Conspiracy Theory: Who were Freescale Semiconductor Experts on Board?

Conspiracy theorists have swooped on claims that 20 employees of a semi-conductor manufacturing firm, which develops components for hi-tech weapons systems and aircraft navigation among other things, were on board the missing Malaysian passenger jet.

On board Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 were employees from Freescale Semiconductor, a Texas-based technology firm.

They were based in several manufacturing sites in Kuala Lumpur and Tianjin, China; 12 of the employees were from Malaysia and eight were from China, a spokeswoman for the company confirmed.

Links between the plane's mysterious disappearance and the radar-blocking capabilities of some of the aeronautical hardware technology produced by Freescale have been pushed by citizens news site Beforeitsnews.

"It is conceivable that the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 plane is 'cloaked', hiding with high-tech electronic warfare weaponry that exists and is used," according to the site.

"In fact, this type of technology is precisely the expertise of Freescale, that has 20 employees on board the missing flight," it said.

The anonymous author on the site makes reference to the capabilities of Israel making an attack on Iran. Such an attack would include jamming the electric grid, internet, and cell phone network, using devices such as one that mimics a maintenance cell phone signal that commands the cell network to "sleep".

The report also references a story from Fox News that explained that new stealth technology makes airplanes invisible to radar, and can also make them hard to spot with the naked eye.
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"The general public might not hear about how far the US has really come, because it is and should remain classified," noted firearms expert Chris Sajnog, a former Navy Seal. "Other countries are still playing catch-up — but they're closing the gap."

Freescale Semiconductor has been developing microprocessors, sensors and other technology for the past 50 years. The technology it creates is commonly referred to as embedded processors, which according to the firm are "standalone semiconductors that perform dedicated computing functions in electronic systems".

The passengers on board were engineers and other experts working to make Freescale Semiconductor chip facilities in Tianjin and Kuala Lumpur more efficient, said Mitch Haws, vice- president, global communications and investor relations.

"These were people with a lot of experience and technical background and they were very important people," Haws said.

"It's definitely a loss for the company."

The company had been streamlining facilities in Tianjin and Kuala Lumpur that for testing and packaging microchips used in automobiles, consumer products, telecommunications infrastructure and industrial equipment.
Transportation and accommodation for the 20 staff members' families was being arranged as well as being given with grief counselling.

One of the chipmaker's long-time competitors, Texas Instruments, tweeted on Saturday:

Texas Instruments ✔ @TXInstruments
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We extend our condolences to the families and coworkers of the @Freescale employees aboard Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Malaysia Airlines Plane MH370 Latest Conspiracy Theory: Who were Freescale Semiconductor Experts on Board? (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-plane-mh370-latest-conspiracy-theory-were-freescale-semiconductor-top-employees-1440097)

[Soundy]

Apologize if it's a repost...
Several days old.

[underscore]

If the desired cargo in question is the Freescale employees (or at least a few of them), but if they were traveling to help with efficiency as mentioned then I would think they are less likely to have knowledge of secrets important enough to highjack a plane. This is of course assuming that they were actually doing what Freescale says they were doing.

I think you're overestimating the "black market value" here - it's not like a car where you just swap out the VIN plate and put it back on the road. Assuming someone actually buys this plane for $50M... what are they going to do with it? Certainly not fly it anywhere - you put a jet in the air without a valid transponder, and you can probably expect to get shot down PDQ. You can't make a fake transponder code... you can't re-use one from an old plane... unless you're going to use it to fly below radar over extremely remote areas, it's not going to be of much use to anyone for anything other than scrap value, or reverse engineering.

You might be able to spoof the code of another jet, but then of course the only use would be to fly along the flight path of said jet. And as we've learned, there are a hell of a lot of systems on that plane with communications capabilities, down to levels that only certain engineers working on the development of the plane would really be familiar with that you would have to disable. And then even to fly it below radar, apparently a 777 is terribly inefficient at that sort of thing.

[underscore]

I find it interesting that we haven't really heard anything about those Iranians seeking asylum in a while. I can come up with a few interesting theories based around the Iranians on stolen passports, the Freescale employees, the lack of x ray scanning and the allegations that this has been state-backed. Some sound a bit ridiculous, but others not so much.

edit: also, allegedly one crate/container loaded into the plane is unaccounted for as well.

[underscore]

Kevin Sieff ‏@ksieff 10h

Senior Afghan official on whether #MH370 flew over Afghanistan: "We do not have a radar. Go and ask the Americans."

He sounds a bit annoyed with the US of A :lol

[Harvey Specter]

^
There's obvious breaches in the security but yet no one has given clear answers about these breaches and the media don't seem to concern to ask officials. Instead the media is quick to talk about conspiracy theories. And it's starting to look like the investigating is quickly turning into a witch hunt to make the pilots look like the bad guys but yet there's not a single shred of evidence that would indicate the pilots had anything to do with the plane getting hijacked.

[underscore]

Well considering the ACARS system turned off shortly before the ATC handoff, and the transponder shut off ~3 minutes after they left Malaysian ATC, after sounding completely normal to the ATC, then flying along proper flight paths across Malaysia and then northwest, the odds are pretty darn good either the pilot or F/O was in control of the aircraft.

[Harvey Specter]

Well considering the ACARS system turned off shortly before the ATC handoff, and the transponder shut off ~3 minutes after they left Malaysian ATC, after sounding completely normal to the ATC, then flying along proper flight paths across Malaysia and then northwest, the odds are pretty darn good either the pilot or F/O was in control of the aircraft.

But does that automatically single them out as the ones that hijacked the plane? Just saying that there's a lot of finger pointing but no concrete facts yet.

[underscore]

It's not concrete, the only 100% solid facts we have so far haven't changed in a while since the plane nor anyone who was onboard has been found or at least sighted. But the odds of it being anyone but the pilots is going to be slim.

Although given that FWF seems confident it was a state-backed event, a passenger or flight attendant highjacker could have been highly trained for this. I haven't heard anything establishing if the voice last heard by the Malaysian ATC was matched to the voice of either the PIC or FO either, so that may not have even been them on the radio. The authorities seem confident is was the PIC or FO tho.

[Soundy]

I find it interesting that we haven't really heard anything about those Iranians seeking asylum in a while.
Well if the official story is, in fact, true - that they were merely students looking for a better life - then there'd be no reason to say anything more about them.

If investigators (NOT media, speculators, conspiracy theorists, or anyone else) kept talking about them, THAT would be interesting.

[underscore]

This is true, but if the plane does turn up in Iran (apparently the DHS has a pretty exact total flight distance for the plane, not sure if it could get to Iran with that) though, would you still be inclined to believe they are asylum seekers? They would either be involved or the worlds unluckiest asylum seekers in a long time.

[underscore]

Steven Frischling (FlyingWithFish) still seems quite adamant that the plane landed in Iran and that the northern and southern "arcs" are incorrect, that it will be unlikely that it is in any state to take off again and that the Freescale employees were the desired "cargo"

[skiiipi]

If the desired cargo in question is the Freescale employees (or at least a few of them), but if they were traveling to help with efficiency as mentioned then I would think they are less likely to have knowledge of secrets important enough to highjack a plane. This is of course assuming that they were actually doing what Freescale says they were doing.


Thing is, most large companies have risk management policy in place, where they would not allow 20 "important" or high level staff fly on the same flight. So likely these 20 employees wouldn't be high enough in the food chain to possess top secret information, or extremely technical skillset.

[underscore]

Allegedly Freescale doesn't have one, but I find that hard to believe. What I would find believable is if one or two of those 20 may be "important" to the Iranians or someone else.

[strykn]

This is like an episode of 24

[Harvey Specter]

Freescale is owned by Blackstone & the Carlyle Group, wow.

[underscore]

Who are Blackstone & the Carlyle Group?

[Soundy]

Malaysia Airlines Expands Investigation To Include General Scope Of Space, Time | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/)

http://o.onionstatic.com/images/25/25583/original/700.jpg?0360

[strykn]

Who are Blackstone & the Carlyle Group?

One of the biggest Private Equity companies in the world I believe...

JP morgan withdrew their credit facility to Freescale outta the blue http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=OBR&date=20140228&id=17395474

*tinfoil hat on*

[StylinRed]

Who are Blackstone & the Carlyle Group?

a can of worms you're going to fall into a whole other level of conspiracy theory if you look into them (a level even CiC barely touches)

[Harvey Specter]

Who are Blackstone & the Carlyle Group?

Both groups have been linked with Bush/Cheney, 9/11, supposed CIA shell companies and have strong links to the council on foreign relations (freemason related) so you get the picture where all of this is going to lead into if this plane isn't found. And from what I remember Blackstone was the one that took over the deed for the WTC one year prior to 9/11 which is why they're linked forever with 9/11 conspiracies.

[Harvey Specter]

Mirror UK (tabloid paper) claiming the pilot hijacked the plane for some sort of protest against the government, they also found a picture to back this theory:

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3247470.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Peter-Chong-left-with-best-friend-Captain-Zaharie-Ahmad-Shah-3247470.jpg
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-live-3248148

Also...

Malaysia Airline MH370: 9/11-style terror allegations resurface in case of lost plane
Possible plot investigated after Al-Qaeda supergrass told court that four or five Malaysian men planned a passenger airliner hijack

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02853/mh370_2853292b.jpg

Evidence of a plot by Malaysian Islamists to hijack a passenger jet in a 9/11-style attack is being investigated in connection with the disappearance of Flight MH370

An al-Qaeda supergrass told a court last week that four to five Malaysian men had been planning to take control of a plane, using a bomb hidden in a shoe to blow open the cockpit door.

Security experts said the evidence from a convicted British terrorist was “credible”. The supergrass said that he had met the Malaysian jihadists – one of whom was a pilot – in Afghanistan and given them a shoe bomb to use to take control of an aircraft.

A British security source said: “These spectaculars take a long time in the planning.”

The possibility of such a plot, hatched by the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks on the Twin Towers in New York, was bolstered by an admission by Najib Razak, Malaysia’s prime minister, that the Boeing 777’s communications systems had been deliberately switched off “by someone on the plane”.

In a series of dramatic developments yesterday, it emerged that:

– Flight MH370 had changed direction and altitude after communications devices had been deliberately disabled;

– The plane flew for up to seven hours after civilian radar lost touch with it;

– An unnamed official briefed that the plane had been hijacked although Mr Najib refused to confirm that was the case;

– The plane flew towards either Indonesia or to Kazakhstan after the transponder and messaging systems were disabled;

– Police searched the homes of both pilots for two hours over concerns one may have switched off the communications systems in a suicide bid;

– Chinese officials accused Malaysia of withholding information in a ratcheting up of diplomatic tensions between the two countries.

In evidence in a court case last Tuesday, Saajid Badat, a British-born Muslim from Gloucester, said that he had been instructed at a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan to give a shoe bomb to the Malaysians.

Giving evidence at the trial in New York of Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, Osama bin Laden’s son-in-law, Badat said: “I gave one of my shoes to the Malaysians. I think it was to access the cockpit.”

Badat, who spoke via video link and is in hiding in the UK, said the Malaysian plot was being masterminded by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the principal architect of 9/11.

According to Badat, Mohammed kept a list of the world’s tallest buildings and crossed out New York’s Twin Towers after the September 11, 2001 attacks with hijacked airliners as “a joke to make us laugh”.

Badat told the court last week that he believed the Malaysians, including the pilot, were “ready to perform an act.”

During the meeting, the possibility was raised that the cockpit door might be locked. Badat told the court: “So I said, 'How about I give you one of my bombs to open a cockpit door?’ ”

The disclosure that Malaysians were plotting a 9/11-style attack raises the prospect that both pilots were overpowered and the plane intended for use as a fuel-filled bomb. One possible target, if the scenario is correct, will have been the Petronas Towers in Kuala Lumpur, a symbol of Malaysia’s modernity and the world’s tallest buildings from 1998 until 2004.

Flight MH370 had been heading away from Kuala Lumpur over the South China Sea when it disappeared off civilian radar screens.

Satellites have tracked it returning towards land.

Badat, who was jailed for 13 years in 2005 for his part in a conspiracy with the “shoe bomber” Richard Reid to blow up a transatlantic jet, had given similar evidence in 2012.

In other words, his claims were first made long before the disappearance of Flight MH370.

In the earlier case, during the trial of Adis Medunjanin, an American who was later convicted of conspiring to blow up New York subways, Badat told prosecutors of the Malaysian shoe bomb plot.

Asked what he knew of the Malaysian group, he replied: “I learnt that they had a group, uh, ready to perform a similar hijacking to 9/11.”

Asked if he helped them, he said: “I provided them with one of my shoes because both had been, uh, both had explosives inserted into them.”

Prof Anthony Glees, director of the University of Buckingham’s Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies, said the prospect of an Islamist plot offered one explanation for why the Malaysian authorities “have not been telling us the whole truth”.

Prof Glees said: “I believed this was a hijacking as soon as we were told that the plane had altered its flight path.

“Evidence that it turned back to Malaysia means that this could easily have been a Malaysian Islamist plot to turn the plane into a 9/11-style bomb to fly it into a building in Kuala Lumpur.

“Now we know there is evidence of a Malaysian terror cell with ambitions to carry out such an attack and so this makes it even more credible.”

Prof Glees added: “Islamist terrorists in Malaysia present the country with a really serious political problem. The global repercussions of another 9/11 attack, including grounded aircraft and stock markets crashes, is something no government would want to face.”

James Healy-Pratt, head of aviation at Stuarts Law solicitors, said the lack of information from Malaysian authorities was in stark contrast to the reaction of French officials when an Air France plane – whose black box was not recovered for two years – crashed in the Atlantic in 2009. The lack of information suggested Malaysian authorities may have something to hide.

Mr Healy-Pratt, who represented 50 families in the Air France crash, said: “Compared to Air France there has been very little information given out. Serious questions need to be asked about how this has taken a week to get so little information. If it is terrorism that will have an effect on the Malaysian stock market and local economy.”

Last May, two Malaysian men were arrested for links to al-Qaeda and charged with joining the Tanzim al-Qaeda Malaysia group. In a separate incident two other men from Malaysia were held in Lebanon as they allegedly tried to cross into Syria to join Islamist extremists fighting the Assad regime.

In 2001 Yazid Sufaat, a biochemist and former army captain, was imprisoned for seven years under internal security laws on suspicion of being part of the Jemaah Islamiah network, the terrorist organisation behind a series of bombings in south east Asia including the Bali nightclub massacre in which 202 people were killed in 2002.

Yazid, who was released in 2008, was also suspected of providing lodging for two of the 9/11 hijackers. Malaysian sources, however, insisted Islamic terrorism carried out by Malaysian jihadists is unlikely since the country has only a tiny number of Muslim fundamentalists.

But after a week of wildly fluctuating theories, the admission by Malaysia’s prime minister yesterday that the plane had been deliberately re-routed and flown for hours with communication systems switched off to disguise its flight path provided the most significant clues yet as to what might have happened. Mr Najib stopped short of confirming Flight MH370 had been hijacked.

Mr Najib said in a press conference: “Based on new satellite information, we can say with a high degree of certainty that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System was disabled just before the aircraft reached the east coast of Peninsular Malaysiapeninsular Malaysia. Shortly afterwards, near the border between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic control, the aircraft’s transponder was switched off. From this point onwards, the Royal Malaysian Air Force primary radar showed that an aircraft which was believed – but not confirmed – to be MH370 did indeed turn back. It then flew in a westerly direction back over Peninsular Malaysia before turning northwest.”

The new information appears to rule out previous theories that the plane suffered a sudden mid-air explosion, catastrophic equipment or structural failure, or a crash into the South China Sea.

As a result, the search in the South China Sea was called off and operations concentrated instead on two huge corridors –- one to the north of Malaysia and stretching as far as Kazakhstan and the other to the west across the Indian ocean to Indonesia.

Prior to the press conference, a senior Malaysian military official told one news agency that investigators now believed the plane was commandeered by a “skilled, competent and current pilot” who knew how to avoid radar.

Terrorism was originally suspected as a possible motive when it emerged that two Iranian men, travelling on stolen European passports, had managed to board the aircraft. They were ruled out as refugees trying to reach Europe via China.

All passengers will now be scrutinised again while the focus was also thrown on the plane’s two pilots – Capt Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, and his First Officer, Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27. Mr Fariq broke post 9/11 security rules by allowing two female passengers into the cockpit on a previous flight.

Witnesses said the two men’s houses were visited by police for two hours yesterday in the hunt for clues. Foreign intelligence agencies are now expected to assist in sifting through the passenger lists to identify suspects.

The pilot and co-pilot because are regarded as the most likely to have the specialist aviation expertise to locate and switch off radar, satellite and other transponders to remove the aircraft from the 'grid’ before changing its direction.

But investigators said there was no evidence against members of the crew and it was possible that some of its passengers also had the knowledge required.

On Saturday, James Wood, the brother of one of the three Americans aboard MH370, said that the Malaysian prime minister's announcement "gives us a little hope, as ironic as that might sound".

"If they're wanting to hurt people they would do it right then and there. But if they're wanting to do something later then at least it gives us hope that there's still life and that we're going to have an opportunity to see our family again," he said.

Malaysia Airline MH370: 9/11-style terror allegations resurface in case of lost plane - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10700652/Malaysia-Airline-MH370-911-style-terror-allegations-resurface-in-case-of-lost-plane.html)

[Soundy]

You'd think if someone is willing to do all that work they would do it for something a little bit more valuable. I don't know how much a plane costs nowadays... price list from Boeing suggests they are $300mil? What's it worth on the black market... $50mil?
Hmmm, maybe you were on to something here... :suspicious:

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[tiger_handheld]

Hmmm, maybe you were on to something here... :suspicious:

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The english in that ad excellent.

[dahonga]

Kevin Sieff ‏@ksieff 10h

Senior Afghan official on whether #MH370 flew over Afghanistan: "We do not have a radar. Go and ask the Americans."

He sounds a bit annoyed with the US of A :lol

No, what he said was true, we (USAF) definitely have a lot more radar coverage than Afghanistan ATC which only has good primary radar coverage around the major cities and the rest is secondary which would not show up if the transponder is turned off.

[underscore]

Oh I know that, but the tone I got from that seemed annoyed that the USA wont let them have radar.

[2 n r]

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE PLANE?!?


now i dont have any information to back up this claim but it seems to be the longest a plane of this type has ever gone missing without a trace

[Mr.Money]

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[multicartual]

So sad for the families involved. Going on 8 days now. :( :( :(

[Harvey Specter]

Watching this story unfold on cable news makes my head hurt.

I've been flipping through cable news channels and all of them are hung up over what the co-pilot said, like seriously you're going to have an entire segment and bring in experts to dissect what "all right, good night" meant??? And I believe Malaysian officials claimed at a media brief earlier this morning that the plane might have been flying at 5,000ft and now you have more "experts" at CNN who keep going about how the plane couldn't flight at that altitude, one expert comes in and says it's possible, blah blah. They even have some idiot reporter in Toronto at one of those amateurish flight simulator places going through all these scenarios. The icing on the cake the media making a huge deal about the pilots "flight simulator". It's wasn't some mysterious or sophisticated flight simulator, it was bloody FSX lol.

For the sake of humanity I hope they find this plane soon, the media has gone nuts and keep wanting to report on this story which has no new leads and some of stuff coming out now by even the officials is downright stupid. If you don't have any new information just stfu.

[westopher]

All the news reports are just random unsubstantiated theories being reported as facts, then they get more news by disproving their already bullshit news. The fucking media machine is clinging hard to this one. They might as well just start asking random people on the street for what they think is the most interesting scenario they can imagine happened and then just report it as news.

[haymura]

http://i.imgur.com/0gws6Lf.jpg?1

[BoostedBB6]

There sure are some interesting ideas out there about this flight.

I recall watching a Mayday episode where a similar thing happened. Took them 14 days to find the plane.
It seems that it is not so hard to actually lose a plane when systems fail or something goes wrong. I personally feel there are way to many people jumping to conclusions and coming up with ideas of what happened as of yet.
Its been 8 days....the ocean is MASSIVE and there are many places a plane could be when you consider the surroundings.

I find it very interesting following this thread tho. I look forward to hearing what actually happens with this plane. Perhaps there is a happy ending....but it is looking worse and worse each day.

[underscore]

The mainstream media is all but useless when it comes to this search. CNN is so full of shit right now we can smell it up here in Canada. I've gotten to the point where if a theory on the physical capabilities of the plane it isn't coming from multiple pilots, engineers or maintenance personnel I ignore it. And as far as info on the planes location FlyingWithFish seems to be the only one who knows jack, most of the mainstream reports are either garbage or days behind him.

Currently he's saying the DHS believes there's only about a 25% chance that they'll ever find the plane due to various govt's suppressing info, and that verified intel suggests the plane almost definitely did not crash, it was landed. Furthermore, his sources have apparently gone quiet, which typically means something is either in the works or the sources suspect something is in the works.

In other news, the Chinese gov't has told their media that they may not independently investigate MH370.

[EmperorIS]

Maybe the plane faked its own death and will return when it perfected its flying abilities.

[J____]

Malaysia Airlines Expands Investigation To Include General Scope Of Space, Time | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/)

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maybe they're still flying :suspicious:

[Soundy]

In other news, the Chinese gov't has told their media that they may not independently investigate MH370.

Props to the Chinese government for this one! Fuck "freedom of the press", how about "freedom FROM stupidity"?

[underscore]

To me that indicates that it may have been landed in the Chinese desert, near the Kyrgyzstan (how the hell do you even pronounce that?) border as they earlier mentioned. It's odd that the news on the search effort has mostly died out once they announced it all but had to be on land.

[bballguy]

How to Pronounce Kyrgyzstan - PronounceNames.com - YouTube

[Soundy]

It's odd that the news on the search effort has mostly died out once they announced it all but had to be on land.
Not odd at all, and I doubt the announcement has anything (directly) to do with it. It's common for any "big" news story to slip down the rankings as it drags out.

First few days, it was a huge WTF with lots of theories coming from left and right. As it dragged on and theories were eliminated or changed, there was less to talk about, and other ongoing stories came to the fore (the Ukraine situation has bubbled back to the top with the Crimean referendum, for example). By now, everyone knows the story: plane missing, nobody has a fucking clue, no film at a eleven.

The fact investigators are leaning more toward it being on land isn't why it's died down... it's that there's nothing else NEW to say about it. Until there's some major breakthrough or change in the situation, it's NOT NEWS anymore. This is why CNN is trying to fill the void with self-appointed experts and bullshit.

The only other thing there is to report, is that there's nothing to report.

[murd0c]

The US is doing something shady no questions asked, they had to of known what happened at Diego Garcia since its the most advanced radar system in the area. That base can also land a 777 so I think this is some kind of US cover up.

If its been said about Diego Garcia already my bad

[Soundy]

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[tool001]

thr is more to the story ,dont think Malaysia is disclosing full details.. they are military installations on Andaman islands, impossible to land plane. any plane approaching those chain of islands would have been challenged.

[RRxtar]

If we see officials from the US and china start to go quiet and not talk about it anymore all of a sudden, you can suspect some shenanigans are going on. If they are on the trail and are sniffing out something on a government level, they would most likely go quiet about it. If it was an act of terrorism one way or another, the US would be pumping its propaganda machine hard.

[Harvey Specter]

According to US officials the Malaysians haven't been handy over critical data which can assist in the search for the plane. One theory is the Malaysians are worried about jeopardizing their own national security which I guess is a valid concern because I can't see the US handing over data if it could jeopardized their national security. Also the US navy has pulled out one of their ships and put it back into normal service.

Another thing I read was MH didn't purchase a data service which you pay monthly which would have provided mechanical data from the plane at all times. Most airlines have this service, basically the plane keeps sending data back to the control centre so the airlines know what issues they need to address upon the plane landing at the destination.

[Ball.J.Inder]

The US is doing something shady no questions asked, they had to of known what happened at Diego Garcia since its the most advanced radar system in the area. That base can also land a 777 so I think this is some kind of US cover up.

If its been said about Diego Garcia already my bad

So your trying to say the Autobots and NEST have something to do with this? That's all there is at diego garcia.

edit: Wait didn't that tiger robot decepticon thingy destroy that base in the the second one?

[StylinRed]

The Diego Garcia conspiracy seems to have more traction than underscores twitter conspiracy

all ive been seeing lately are comments about diego garcia (youtube, google news, other forums)

the reasoning seems to be that if the plane headed North it would have hit someones radar or a us military bases radar but it hasn't (maybe)
if it headed south the only place it could have gone (based on those red lines) is diego garcia or there's some secret underwater cobra base ;)

so naturally conspiracy theorists would be going nuts about this and pointing the finger at the US


People really need to just wait and see or concentrate on something else instead of making up conspiracy theories to keep themselves entertained

[Soundy]

the reasoning seems to be that if the plane headed North it would have hit someones radar or a us military bases radar but it hasn't (maybe)
if it headed south the only place it could have gone (based on those red lines) is diego garcia or there's some secret underwater cobra base ;)
Except Diego Garcia is more or less due-east of the plane's last known location. But I guess a strong sense of geography isn't required when making shit up.

People really need to just wait and see or concentrate on something else instead of making up conspiracy theories to keep themselves entertained

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[Yodamaster]

Look, one of three things could have happened;

- It crashed at full speed and there is little to nothing left

- It was stolen / government intervention

- It was shot down and whoever did it is hiding the fact


Two of those circumstances mean that we will never, ever know. Stop saying that aliens shoved it up their asses because they forgot their cosmic dildo on Zardon-9.

[Ball.J.Inder]

This whole situation is a good example of conspiracy theorist logic.

The Indian Ocean is thousands of square km big and happens to have an island with a US airbase on it with 100's of natives and im assuming dozens of regular military guys with the basic security clearance(cooks, maintenance, etc.).

Conclusion: The evil US took the plane there for no reason.

[guurl]

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet | Autopia | Wired.com (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/)

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

[Soundy]

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet | Autopia | Wired.com (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/)

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

Was just about to post that myself. Scary thing about it is, it actually makes about 1000 times more sense than anything else we've heard so far.

[guurl]

from a pilots point of view.. since they actually know what to do in that kind of situation\
why didnt anybody think of that since day 1?!?!?! :suspicious:

CNN brainwashed me into thinking it was hijacked

[G]

^Might have missed it but have they checked that place yet?

[bballguy]

Didn't read through this Reddit shit, but apparently that article has been debunked here:

Written by another pilot, a logical explanation for the MH370 : TrueReddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/20pcyo/written_by_another_pilot_a_logical_explanation/)

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

for those of you hating on the theorists...

you guys do know that theories are what people have to come up with so they can start looking in some direction.

[Ball.J.Inder]

True, those are theoriest. Conspiracy Theories are what people with no expertise or knowledge come up with so they can fulfill their juvenile fantasies of feeling like knowing more than the general population, they can always be debunked but conspiracy theorist have alot of time on their hands and can quickly point something else out and pull random shit out of their ass..

[Harvey Specter]

Not sure what to think of this;



The global hunt for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight has shifted to a tiny island in the Maldives, where residents spotted a “low flying jumbo jet” hours after the aircraft disappeared.

Several witnesses in Dhaalu Atoll saw a plane heading south that bore the red stripe and white background of Malaysia Airlines planes.

The sightings, reported by a local news outlet, would have occurred more than seven hours after the plane, carrying 12 crew and 227 mainly Chinese passengers, lost contact with air traffic control and took its sudden westward turn during a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in the early hours of Saturday March 8.

“I’ve never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We’ve seen seaplanes, but I’m sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly,” said an witness.

“It’s not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too.” The chances of another aircraft of that size flying over the island at the time were, according to Maldives sources, very low.

Though authorities are yet to confirm the sighting, the plane’s pilot, Captain Zaharie Shah, is believed to have practised landing at Male International Airport in the Maldives on a three-screen flight simulator at his home. The machine has been seized by police.

A report in a Malay language newspaper, Berita Harian, claimed Capt Zaharie also practised at three airports in India and Sri Lanka and a runway at the US military base on Diego Garcia.

Police would not confirm the details about the flight simulator.

However, Peter Chong, a friend of the pilot, insisted that there was nothing suspicious about the simulator and that Capt Zaharie invited many of his friends to use it. “He was not hiding it, he was open about it,” Mr Chong said. “He loves flying. He wanted to share the joy of flying with his friends.”

Capt Zaharie, a 53-year-old father of three, and his co-pilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid, a 27-year-old who was planning to marry his 26-year-old pilot girlfriend, Nadira Ramli, have been described by friends and family as flying enthusiasts who had no known links to extremism or psychological problems.

Authorities in Malaysia have confirmed that they believe the flight was deliberately interfered with and that its communications system intentionally disabled before the plane flew “invisible” for a further seven to eight hours.

They believe the plane’s sharp turn 40 minutes into the flight and the disabling of the communications system suggest an experienced pilot was in control. But the lack of any motive — and the disappearance of the plane — has left authorities increasingly mystified during a search that has lasted more than 11 days. As Malaysia appealed to countries in the two major search areas to share surveillance data, vital information emerged from Thai air force radars yesterday that revealed clues about the aircraft’s wayward path.

In what was a further example of the secrecy surrounding the investigation, Thailand’s air force said it detected a plane believed to be the missing MH370 flight, seven minutes after the plane’s transponder was turned off at 1.21am.

In a series of inexplicable movements, the flight reportedly headed back towards Kuala Lumpur, then turned right towards the Strait of Malacca — a sequence that corresponds with data captured by the Malaysian military.

Thailand’s Air Vice Marshal Montol Suchookorn said the plane did not enter Thai airspace, and that the data was not released until now because “we did not pay any attention to it”.

China has increased its involvement and yesterday revealed that the 154 Chinese passengers aboard the flight had been cleared of “destructive behaviour”.

Huang Huikang, China’s ambassador to Malaysia, also told a briefing of the Chinese media that Interpol had cleared two Iranians aboard the flight who were travelling on false passports. This left 83 passengers as feasible suspects, including 10 crew members plus two pilots.

A further complication in the search for the plane is that the signals or “pings” from the black box – sent at a certain frequency, and only traceable within a certain distance – will only be sent for a month.

The Daily Telegraph learnt yesterday that the aircraft could have been located if Malaysia Airlines had paid just $10 (£6) for additional satellite information.

The airline, along with several international carriers, opted to transmit only minimal information rather than pay an additional small fee to transmit detailed flight data. “For 10 dollars, you could have told within half an hour’s flying time where the plane would have gone,” a source said.

MH370: Maldives Islanders claim to have spotted 'low flying jet? - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10706853/MH370-Maldives-Islanders-claim-to-have-spotted-low-flying-jet.html)

[v_tec]

^ take it with a HUGEEE gain of salt.

At this rate, sooner or later...someone from Vancouver Island going to chime in and say they spotted a low flying jet too :suspicious:

[shawnly1000]

NBC News: Flight 370 was programmed to turn away from flight to Beijing at least 12 minutes before co-pilot signed off, sources say

[Soundy]

^Might have missed it but have they checked that place yet?
Did you not read this pilot's actual theory?

He figures that the pilots probably set the plane on a course for Palau Langkawi airport before being disabled by a fire... if that happened, the plane wouldn't have landed, but kept on going until ran out of fuel and ditched. If that's the case, "that place" is still a wedge of mostly ocean several thousand kilometers long and expanding to dozens if not hundreds of kilometers wide - it's still a MASSIVE area to search.

And, if you follow a line from approximately where last contact was, past Langkawi, and keep going for, say, 7 hours' flying time, you end up in the general vicinity of:

Not sure what to think of this;

Right. Dhaalu Atoll. Not PRECISELY... but if you figure the plane wasn't on autopilot, and wasn't under anyone's control, but just kept flying straight ahead in the general direction it was pointed... then it's not inconceivable.

The only thing that doesn't track with me on this theory (I didn't read the Reddit thread, I don't know if they mentioned it), is that the plane would have probably passed pretty close to Langkawi's air corridor, and over the tip of North Sumatra, and would have HAD to be picked up on SOMEONE'S RADAR along the way as a large unidentified blip. It couldn't have been under the RADAR, because at that low altitude, it wouldn't have had anywhere near the range it would at normal cruise.

Anyway, that aside, it sounds like a logical, reasonable explanation of what could have happened... which is more than one can say about most other theories.

Occam's Razor cuts deep...

[Soundy]

Never mind, guys... mystery solved.

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[xpl0sive]

Not sure what to think of this;


Interesting piece of reporting right there...

“I’ve never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We’ve seen seaplanes, but I’m sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly,” said a witness.

one of the residents claims that the plane was so low they could make out the doors... wouldn't the next logical question be "Did you see any writing on the side of the plane?"

I mean if they could see the plane was very low, they could see if it said "Malaysian Airlines" on it... instead the reporter chooses to move on to the next topic... if the witness confirmed they saw "Malaysian Airlines" on the side of the plane, it would make the story a lot more believable.

[valent|n0]

off topic. but
any one know what car is behind the first officer's home?

https://www.scmp.com/sites/default/files/2014/03/16/31.jpg

edit: one is maybe Nissan Qashqai
whats the other one?

[AstulzerRZD]

off topic. but
any one know what car is behind the first officer's home?

https://www.scmp.com/sites/default/files/2014/03/16/31.jpg

edit: one is maybe Nissan Qashqai
whats the other one?

Looks like a Subaru Legacy

[Soundy]

Interesting piece of reporting right there...

“I’ve never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We’ve seen seaplanes, but I’m sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly,” said a witness.

one of the residents claims that the plane was so low they could make out the doors... wouldn't the next logical question be "Did you see any writing on the side of the plane?"

I mean if they could see the plane was very low, they could see if it said "Malaysian Airlines" on it... instead the reporter chooses to move on to the next topic... if the witness confirmed they saw "Malaysian Airlines" on the side of the plane, it would make the story a lot more believable.

Airline names tend to be well above the window line on the fuselage.

http://www.flyertalk.com/the-gate/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Malaysia-Airlines-Boeing-777-200ER.jpg

If you're more-or-less under a plane, you won't see the name. You'll see the logo on the tail, maybe call letters on the belly, but not the name.

http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/B777-MH.jpg

Yes, I realize this is a distant high-altitude shot and you can't make out the doors... from this ANGLE, you also can't see the name of the airline.

[Soundy]

CNN Anonymously Defends Missing Flight 370 Coverage (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/18/cnn-flight-370-coverage-new-york-times_n_4985361.html?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067)

:facepalm:

[underscore]

Considering we know that India doesn't always have its radar on, and Malaysia barely pay attention to theirs, I don't think we can safely say " someone should have seen it on radar if..." for any scenario.

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet | Autopia | Wired.com (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/)

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

Except they last tracked it flying north-ish, off the west coast. And if it's on fire, it can't fly for hours and hours.

According to US officials the Malaysians haven't been handy over critical data which can assist in the search for the plane. One theory is the Malaysians are worried about jeopardizing their own national security which I guess is a valid concern because I can't see the US handing over data if it could jeopardized their national security. Also the US navy has pulled out one of their ships and put it back into normal service.

The funny thing is they said they would put national security second to find the plane.

Not sure what to think of this;

Article sounds about as flakey as the oil rig worker. In neither case did anyone bother to mention what time this happened at.

[strykn]

The sad thing is, plane will probably never be found unless it comes back for a terrorist attack (I hope not)

If it were hijacked for the engineers / valuable cargo, the plane will never be found as the peepz prob completely incinerated every part of the jet by now

[Harvey Specter]

I was watching CNN and it sounds like they're FINALLY shifting their stories from the conspiracy nonsense they've been spewing for the past few days and focusing more on scenarios that make more logical sense like a possible fire or some sort of other emergency which took down this plane.

They also spoke with a former TWA pilot who said he's pretty certain that it was a fire that took the plane down and said from what he's read the pilots seem like stand up guys and he suspects the pilots (if proven) will be hero's because in his eyes they were attempting to turn back and find a airport to land at due to a serious emergency on board.

I hope for the sake of the families they find this plane.

[underscore]

I'll say it again.

If it's on fire, it can't fly for hours and hours.

If they had a fire severe enough to shut down these systems then the plane couldn't have flown off until it ran out of gas.

[Soundy]

I'll say it again.



If they had a fire severe enough to shut down these systems then the plane couldn't have flown off until it ran out of gas.

They could if the climb to thin air extinguished it.

[Selanne_200]

I read somewhere that the pilots may have tried to fly up to 45,000 feet for thin air to try to extinguish the fire which didn't work so subsequently they tried to do a dive to take out the fire if there was indeed a fire? Also, the plane may have been set on autopilot before the pilots were rendered unconscious therefore the plane just kept flying until fuel ran out

[snails]

I read somewhere that the pilots may have tried to fly up to 45,000 feet for thin air to try to extinguish the fire which didn't work so subsequently they tried to do a dive to take out the fire if there was indeed a fire? Also, the plane may have been set on autopilot before the pilots were rendered unconscious therefore the plane just kept flying until fuel ran out

and how can anyone know any of this if they dont even know where the plane is ?

:concentrate:

[StylinRed]

around 4 days ago i was reading some australian news articles stating its believed the plane is several hundred km's off the coast of Perth

all the while cnn et al were speaking about flying into kyrgyzstan/pakistan/ shadowing flights etc etc finally today cnn is running with the Perth story and stating that its the most reasonable -_-

[Mr.HappySilp]

There isn't any new news atm. I pretty much stop reading about it now.

[underscore]

They could if the climb to thin air extinguished it.

A bit of an odd reason to push the plane above where you're supposed to fly it, and there's speculation that it's unlikely it could've pushed that high due to fuel load. Either way, even if the data isn't terribly accurate it seems pretty concrete that the plane went up.

And there's supposed to be fire suppression systems anyways. Unless the fire suppression system caught on fire, but what are the odds of that?

[Harvey Specter]

Well they really need to pinpoint the exact area where they think the plane might have went down. Until than it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Sad part is if MH paid something like $10/month they would have precious data to work on. Really makes you scratch your head, you buy a multimillion dollar plane but cheap out on a service that cost $10?

[elwell]

Well they really need to pinpoint the exact area where they think the plane might have went down. Until than it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Sad part is if MH paid something like $10/month they would have precious data to work on. Really makes you scratch your head, you buy a multimillion dollar plane but cheap out on a service that cost $10?

Could of been a money saving initiative. Maybe not enough funds? They also probably believed they had enough tracking services on their planes and that chances of this thing happening is slim, but obviously not.

[v_tec]

Well they really need to pinpoint the exact area where they think the plane might have went down. Until than it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Sad part is if MH paid something like $10/month they would have precious data to work on. Really makes you scratch your head, you buy a multimillion dollar plane but cheap out on a service that cost $10?

Can you link a source where it mention the actual cost of the data service?

[Manic!]

Breaking news: Australia has spotted 3 pieces of debris.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26659951

[shawnly1000]

BREAKING NEWS: Australia satellite imagery spots objects that look like aircraft parts. 4 aircrafts and Navy ships en route to check it out.

First aircraft due to arrive in the area now, 3 more en route

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjHnrW0IQAAcGpn.jpg:large

[Soundy]

A bit of an odd reason to push the plane above where you're supposed to fly it, and there's speculation that it's unlikely it could've pushed that high due to fuel load. Either way, even if the data isn't terribly accurate it seems pretty concrete that the plane went up.

And there's supposed to be fire suppression systems anyways. Unless the fire suppression system caught on fire, but what are the odds of that?

Did you not actually read that article? Exactly this has been done before.

[EmperorIS]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73678000/gif/_73678626_malaysian_airliner_search_v2_976map.gif

[Soundy]

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/a2NOoWO_700b.jpg

[rsx]

Debris reported at 24 meters..that's pretty big.

[underscore]

Well they really need to pinpoint the exact area where they think the plane might have went down. Until than it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Sad part is if MH paid something like $10/month they would have precious data to work on. Really makes you scratch your head, you buy a multimillion dollar plane but cheap out on a service that cost $10?

It costs a hell of a lot more than $10/month, one report had it at $2600/flight.

[underscore]

Did you not actually read that article? Exactly this has been done before.

Exactly that? Did you read the same article as me? If they were trying to put out a fire they wouldn't climb or go into a dive, they'd use the onboard fire suppression systems. How the hell is a dive supposed to put out an internal fire? And the two other flights he mentions didn't fly for another 7.5 hours.

[underscore]

And as far a the Aussie debris goes, until they actually take a picture of something confirming MH370 I'll toss it in the pile with the other nonsense findings we've had for the past week (oil slicks, debris, intact planes, flaming planes...)

[Harvey Specter]

It costs a hell of a lot more than $10/month, one report had it at $2600/flight.

Missing Malaysia Airlines plane lacked $US10 upgrade that could have provided crucial satellite data for search (http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-lacked-us10-upgrade-that-could-have-provided-crucial-satellite-data-for-search-20140320-hvkna.html)

Underscore you sure get really defensive and act like a bitch. You're far from a expert and people are just posting what they read on the internet so relax so calm your nerves.

[bballguy]

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120228023231/degrassi/images/d/db/Catfight.gif

[Harvey Specter]

Hopefully they found the wreckage...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/media/ALeqM5invadUjtAeNPMrdPuqFMGjJAC2ng?size=l

This combo of handout images taken on March 16, 2014 and released on March 20, 2014 by the Australian Government's Department of Defence via the Australian Maritime Safety Authority show satelite images of objects in the Indian Ocean (Australian Defence via the Australian Maritime Safety Authority/AFP, Australian Defence)

Edit:
Perspective on how remote the possible crash site is:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/1185219_732833996750305_1188793273_n.png

[bballguy]

okay.........

http://www.meh.ro/original/2010_04/meh.ro3928.jpg

[Soundy]

Perspective on how remote the possible crash site is:
Keeping in mind, if that is debris from the plane, it's been floating now for a week and a half, pushed by both ocean currents and winds - it could be dozens of miles from where the crash actually happened.

[4444]

If this is plane debris, it would not be unreasonable to assume the black box could be located more easily (looking in right area/use faint tracking signal)

[EmperorIS]

These images are from 4 days ago. The debris could be anywhere by now.

[rsx]

Shouldn't they account for currents/wind?

They still haven't seen it yet.

[underscore]

Any updates from the Aussies? They should have gotten to the debris by now.

Missing Malaysia Airlines plane lacked $US10 upgrade that could have provided crucial satellite data for search (http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-lacked-us10-upgrade-that-could-have-provided-crucial-satellite-data-for-search-20140320-hvkna.html)

Underscore you sure get really defensive and act like a bitch. You're far from a expert and people are just posting what they read on the internet so relax so calm your nerves.

You should've posted that link before, sorry I was thinking of the RR engine info system which is supposed to be expensive to run.

Where does it say that they can get streaming data for $10 a month with Swift though? It says it starts at $10/flight, and it says it can stream data and be upgraded to a full package, but it doesn't say anything about streaming all the info for $10/flight. I find it hard to believe that they could build an independent system (since they said it's separate from what ACARS uses) that streams all the info for only $10/flight, I'm guessing that's what the basic info downloaded after landing via USB would cost. The article is trying to make the airline seem like cheapasses but they don't tell you what it would really cost them to run this.

Regardless, you can't really blame them for not having the system, I mean before MH370 what were the odds of a plane going missing, let alone one that was supposed to fly mostly over land?

edit: also lol at failing me for being realistic about debris being found in a sea full of floating junk.

[Soundy]

Shouldn't they account for currents/wind?

They still haven't seen it yet.

They said they sent planes but visibility was poor due to weather... it's night there now (just coming up on 3AM, I believe) and they're expecting to resume the search in their morning.

[Soundy]

I just realized something kinda spooky: this is all happening very close to the last known location of Amelia Earhart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Earhart#1937_world_flight) before her plane vanished, never to be found...

[Ball.J.Inder]

uhhh not really... I guess relative to the world it is. But Amelia's last location is alot closer to everywhere else there are people than the suspected crash site of this airline.

[twitchyzero]

hope that's the plane wreckage...it's nearing day 14 :(

[Soundy]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1545836_10152346437872259_884017_n.jpg

[underscore]

Don't jinx it Soundy, it's still early in the year.

[xpl0sive]

well looks like insurers are starting to make payments for the plane....

Allianz makes payments in connection with missing Malaysian Airlines plane | Canadian Insurance (http://www.citopbroker.com/news/allianz-makes-payments-in-connection-with-missing-malaysian-airlines-plane-6459)

[Harvey Specter]

Chinese officials just now notified Malaysian officials that they've spotted debris in the southern corridor measuring 22 meters wide, they're suppose to have a press conference in the next few hours.

[strykn]

"Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 17m
OK, so DHS told me DoD said #MH370 was in Pakistan the other day, now Lt. Gen. McInerney says he has a source confirming it is in Pakistan."

[shawnly1000]

"Flying With Fish ‏@flyingwithfish 17m
OK, so DHS told me DoD said #MH370 was in Pakistan the other day, now Lt. Gen. McInerney says he has a source confirming it is in Pakistan."

lol Fox News military analyst, Lieutenant General Thomas McInerney.
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[4444]

well looks like insurers are starting to make payments for the plane....

Allianz makes payments in connection with missing Malaysian Airlines plane | Canadian Insurance (http://www.citopbroker.com/news/allianz-makes-payments-in-connection-with-missing-malaysian-airlines-plane-6459)

that's odd - don't they usually need proof that it is gone/downed/missing entirely.

good for them if they are paying, but from what i've been hearing, it is usually a much more drawn out process.

[Jmac]

that's odd - don't they usually need proof that it is gone/downed/missing entirely.

good for them if they are paying, but from what i've been hearing, it is usually a much more drawn out process.
It depends on the terms of the policy.

If your car or other insured valuables are stolen, insurance companies will often pay out after a pre-determined period of time if the insured property isn't recovered or is recovered but damaged.

Sometimes these amounts will be staggered over several periods, which is what it sounds like here with the initial payments.

[Manic!]

Did some new calculations with sat data and they are saying the plane crashed in the southern ocean no survivors., Breaking news.

[skiiipi]

Looks like the plane has been found in the southern ocean no survivors., Breaking news.

link to news/source?

[Vansterdam]

its all over TV right now

said it crashed somewhere in the Indian Ocean

[Manic!]

link to news/source?

Was breaking news on CNN. They have also spotted debris via plane.


Now its on their website.

Malaysian airliner's flight ended over Indian Ocean, PM says - CNN.com@@AMEPARAM@@video: 'world/2014/03/24/nr-malaysia-prime-minister-razak-plane-presser.cnn'@@AMEPARAM@@world/2014/03/24/nr-malaysia-prime-minister-razak-plane-presser.cnn

[7seven]

Searchers conclude Malaysian jet plunged into Indian Ocean | News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2014/03/24/malaysia-airlines-jet-deemed-to-have-crashed-into-indian-ocean/?cid=dlvr.it)

Searchers conclude Malaysian jet plunged into Indian Ocean
News1130 Staff March 24, 2014 7:05 am


KUALA LUMPUR (NEWS1130) – Malaysia’s prime minister says searchers have concluded that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 plunged into the Indian Ocean.

“Its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth. This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites,” said Najib Razak at a late-night news conference.

“It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that according to this new data, Flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.”

The flight disappeared shortly after takeoff from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 passengers and crew aboard.

MORE TO COME

[xpl0sive]

So they still haven't found anything, but decided to tell the families that everyone is dead.
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[haymura]

So they still haven't found anything, but decided to tell the families that everyone is dead.
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This!

[xpl0sive]

I guess the interest in the story was dying out and they wanted to generate some new hits on their websites and news channels.
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[Teriyaki]

Completely off-base that they would conclude there are no survivors.

[fsy82]

This is only happening because the families have been putting pressure to get answers.

[J____]

fuk this sucks. RIP to the people on board =(

[Verdasco]

never doing malaysian airlines again!
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[BoostedBB6]

This!

Chances are that this is the case. Pretty hard to lose a plane like this for this long and have survivors.
Not impossible, but most likely.

[Hondaracer]

Thought they said earlier this morning they had actually found peices?

If you find peices of the aircraft in the water 17 days later I'd say it's a safe bet there's no survivors.
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[thumper]

if it is really debris from the plane, that means this stuff has been drifting everywhere for the past 2 weeks and would be far away from the crash site... how will they know where the plane is exactly? is the black box supposed to be broadcasting some sort of signal?

[heleu]

never doing malaysian airlines again!
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lol. thank you. I'm looking forward to flight sales on Malaysian Airlines in the near future due to projected low demand.

[Selanne_200]

if it is really debris from the plane, that means this stuff has been drifting everywhere for the past 2 weeks and would be far away from the crash site... how will they know where the plane is exactly? is the black box supposed to be broadcasting some sort of signal?

Yea the black box is supposed to broadcast a signal for up to 30 days but the problem is, I think it could only broadcast from an depth of maximum 300m so if it did crash in an ocean, it may be hard to get a signal

[hchang]

"Officials have confirmed that Flight 370 has crashed into the Indian Ocean and there are no survivors among the 239 passengers on board"

?MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived?: Malaysia Airlines text message kills all hope (http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/24/mh370-search-vessel-scours-sea-where-aircraft-spotted-two-objects-only-hours-earlier-monday)
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[underscore]

They're saying it crashed there but they haven't found any evidence yet?

[m3thods]

Yea the black box is supposed to broadcast a signal for up to 30 days but the problem is, I think it could only broadcast from an depth of maximum 300m so if it did crash in an ocean, it may be hard to get a signal

I think that seems like a gross oversight. Any verification? I'm curious as to what the true number is.

[trd2343]

This is based on the fact that inmarstat said that new analysis has pointed out that the plane flew along the south corridor.

Mr Razak revealed that new analysis of satellite information from Inmarsat, validated by the UK’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch, “have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth”.

Malaysia PM announces loss of flight MH370 - Inmarsat (http://www.inmarsat.com/news/inmarsat-statement-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-2/)

[i-vtecyo]

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 'ended' in southern Indian Ocean, PM says - World - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-ended-in-southern-indian-ocean-pm-says-1.2584000)

People spotted wooden pallets floating where a few metal parts were found and Malaysia Airlines confirmed that 370 was carrying wooden pallets. Although it isnt 100 percent evidence that the wood was from the missing airline, it is probably the best educated guess so far.

[hchang]

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 'ended' in southern Indian Ocean, PM says - World - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-ended-in-southern-indian-ocean-pm-says-1.2584000)

People spotted wooden pallets floating where a few metal parts were found and Malaysia Airlines confirmed that 370 was carrying wooden pallets. Although it isnt 100 percent evidence that the wood was from the missing airline, it is probably the best educated guess so far.

So do cargo shipping ships
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[StylinRed]

So do cargo shipping ships
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yes but now there's new analysis of data saying the plane was there + numerous reports of debris sightings + another sighting today from a plane and they left a smoke marker for the ships to check out, so all points are leading to that's where it crashed

the conspiracy theorists still aren't giving up though you can see them going nuts in comment sections

and a guy was interviewed on the bbc saying there's only 2 possibilities now "hijacking or pilot suicide" :rolleyes:

[bballguy]

lol. thank you. I'm looking forward to flight sales on Malaysian Airlines in the near future due to projected low demand.

You looking forward to dying too? :troll:

[Harvey Specter]

Such a sad day for the families who held out hope for so many days that their loved ones might have survived. CNN showed a woman who lost her son, daughter-in-law and granddaughter.

The only thing that remains unanswered for now is what took the plane down? Was it terrorism, pilot suicide or a serious mechanical failure? Hopefully they recover the flight recorder or recover bigger chunks of the plane to get an idea what exactly happen to this plane before it went down. A lot of speculation is everyone on board were incapacitated hence the reason it just flew for hours to basically nowhere and finally crashed when fuel ran out.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ CNN does that shit to get viewers raitings up. They make as sad as possible.

[underscore]

The crappy part is that even if found the CVR won't tell us what happened when it initially disappeared.

I'm still holding out on the plane being down south til they actually pick up solid evidence, right now it seems a bit like a media attention grab since nothing has happened in the last while.

[dangonay]

Yea the black box is supposed to broadcast a signal for up to 30 days but the problem is, I think it could only broadcast from an depth of maximum 300m so if it did crash in an ocean, it may be hard to get a signal

No, they can transmit a LOT farther than that. The signal could be heard for several kilometers through water, and the black box is supposed to withstand depths of 6000m under water.

It's still going to be hard to find, but it's not like a ship has to be directly over it to hear the beacon or if it's a few hundred meters away they'll miss it. Unless the box fell into a canyon with steep sides that block the ultrasonic beacon.
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[Selanne_200]

I stand corrected.

If a plane crashes into the water, an underwater locator beacon sends out an ultrasonic pulse that cannot be heard by human ears but can be detected by sonar and acoustic-locating equipment.
There is a submergence sensor on the side of the beacon, and when this sensor touches water the beacon activates.
The beacon then sends out pulses at 37.5 kilohertz (kHz) and can transmit sound as deep as 14,000 feet (4267m).
Once the beacon begins “pinging,” it pings once per second for 30 days. In rare and severe crash instances, the beacon may get snapped off during a high-impact collision.
Search teams must be about 25km in range of the beacon to locate it. Underwater terrain such as deep trenches could also affect how easily the beacon’s signal can be detected.

[Yodamaster]

That sucks.

[JD¹³]

EDIT - Nevermind, posted a few pages back.

[Ludepower]

They're saying it crashed there but they haven't found any evidence yet?

x1000

They're telling us what we already know...plane crashed into the water but no evidence of exactly where. Way to go Sherlocks in Malaysia.

[shenmecar]

Missing Malaysia Airlines flight: US Navy ships black-box finder to Australia (http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-us-navy-ships-blackbox-finder-to-australia-20140324-hvm91.html)

http://images.smh.com.au/2014/03/24/5290135/1395640225903.jpg-620x349.jpg

[vanboy604]

did they spot any wreckage with their own eyes or just called the search off because of scientific gueses.. LOL

[Stealthy]

My guess is they got tired of using resources to hunt with no luck and decided to call it off :\

[rsx]

Is it just me or is Malaysia's government just issuing this statement without actual debris and wreckage salvaged to save themselves from further criticism ??

[MR_BIGGS]

Is it just me or is Malaysia's government just issuing this statement without actual debris and wreckage salvaged to save themselves from further criticism ??

+1.

[RRxtar]

Definitely looks like they are saying "Ok, we can't find it, and its making us look really bad so... we'll tell them it is 'confirmed' that it crashed and maybe everyone will move on"